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Ricco Suavez
12-30-2012, 07:27 PM
Your thoughts on next year. None of this get rid of Tomlin, Ben , Haley, Lebeau stuff. I am here to tell you none of that is happening unless the ones mention decide to leave on their own. I wil start.

First RB, I for one am willing to resign Mendenhall, IF, he can be signed at a fair price. Dwyer needs to be told in no uncertain terms to show up in playing shape, he has been in the league now for what 3 years and he has been woefully out of shape every season opener. Redman is OK for backup , but I would love to sign one Rookie that the Steelers see some promise in. I love Raineys potential but just do not know if he is being utilized. His size has proved to be an issue this year.

Second WR, I am in the minority but I think you let Plax go, sorry would of loved to have had him in his prime but 36 year old (next year Aug) is a little old to be playing a young mans position. Brown, Crotch, signed and back. Wallace, oh what to do? Sign him if possible, but do not break the bank. If he agrees to a deal I think he can put this season behind him. Would love to find a serviceable wideout in the draft, easier said than done.

TE, gonna need somebody to fill in for Heath until he is healed. Might be time to draft or find a free agent. Pope will do for now, Paulson not so much.

OL, honestly I just think this unit needs to stay healthy for a little while and they could become a good group. I do not know who has replaced Kugler but all I can hope is they do a good job.

Ben , he will be back and I expect a great season, IMO Batch and Lefty need to go. We need a young guy who can learn and play without breaking down on the first big hit. Lot of experience but I for one would rather go younger especially if its someone who has some promise.

DL Hampton was the anchor of this great defense, along with Smith for years, but it is time to go, Coaches have talked up McClendon for some time, lets see what he can do. Kiesel needs another chance to show what he can do. Heyward and Ziggy will both be back, but would love some new blood in this lineup.

LBers Woodley had a disappointing season, but hopefully is back better than ever, Timmons had a great year and would be nice to see these guys great together one year. I expect Worilds, Spence to see time. Harrison may have to redo his contract to play another season. Foote, I honestly do not know, he is still capable but I would love to see a high draft choice replace him.

DB/S Ike is back, maybe for the last hurrah. Lewis needs to be resigned but may be too expensive and with only one quality season under his belt who could blame the Steelers for not over spending. Both Allens, Clark and Troy are back but need some more young talent with them. I think Troy bounces back but him and Clark are both short timers now. Saddens me.

Kicker Suisham is reliable and should be here unless beaten out by some unknown.
Punter We need a new one.
ST Coach Replace

Without looking over the next draft I can not at this time even hazard a guess who will likely make the team next year, but we need fresh blood, new backups, and we need a new ST coach. Haley and Ben both need to give and take a little next year. We cannot play so conservative, yet we cannot go to a heave it down field concept either. We need a somewhat (I said somewhat) balanced attack and either new RBs or new technique used on the OL. Bens numbers were good til the injury, then something happened. Ben Bashers think he rebelled,but I think it was a combination of things, and one of those is the other teams finally after 9 games had film on this offense and they squeezed the WR on the line and basically eliminated the long ball with a line that could not give protection. Without a decent running game our options were few and futile. There was a reason that Heath was targeted as much as he was and that is he is our most physical receiver and broke open more. I do not think we need an overhaul, just a little tweaking. The thing that scares me the most is I thought this years team ONLY needed a LITTLE tweaking after Arians left. We will see.

harrison'samonster
12-30-2012, 07:37 PM
nice post. I agree with a lot of what you say. We are going to need somebody at WR or TE (especially w/Heath's injury) who is going to play physical and go after the ball over the middle.

As for the OL, I completely agree, they need time to play together as a unit to improve. For this reason, I think we might have seen the last of Colon. Love the way he plays but he's been injured too much.

At QB I think we either keep one of Batch or Lefty. If not, we'll be looking for a proven back-up to add some depth.

I think Hampton is going to be gone. I have loved seeing him as a Steeler and he will definitely be missed. I am eager to see what Heyward, Hood, Keisel, and McLendon will be like.

Ricco Suavez
12-30-2012, 07:45 PM
Some of these high price back up QBs that were signed for starting QB money could be available when teams cut the fat next year.

austinfrench76
12-30-2012, 07:52 PM
I agree with alot of the post, I would LOVE to see us grab a great TE this year. Just not sure who's available FA or draft. We also need a true #1 WR. I think Wallace is gone. RB would be a good pick up too but Mendehall seems like he's coming back. Here's to the draft...!

NSMaster56
12-30-2012, 07:58 PM
The 2013 Steelers will be fine. 10-6 or better. How much better depends on how they fix their obvious deficiencies and/or how much fire and focus they decide to play with.

As succinctly as possible:

Despite injuries, a conflict with the OC and a terrible end to the year, Big Ben still sported a 3-to-1 TD/INT ratio. If not for those terrible picks vs. CIN and DAL it would have been 4-to-1.

Not adjusting for ST TD's, only five teams allowed fewers points than the Steelers. Ergo, the D is still clicking and not a problem.

SIX losses of 6 or fewer points... I mean... even after factoring in injuries that's just insane and unlikely to happen again.

---

There are only four things to be wary of come 2013: (of which at least one or two can be fixed)

The ST's cost the Steelers at least two games (TEN and BAL) and are unlikely to be fixed.

Likewise, the OL continues to be an achilles heel. The team can still win with a patchwork one, but, barring massive improvement, there will be games that frustrate even the most serene fan.

Gotta figure out the run game.

Need a viable backup QB. Big Ben is entering the old Dan Marino phase of his career and will miss 2-4 games a year. Must prepare as such.

Can't wait for September.

casteeler
12-30-2012, 08:03 PM
I am absolutely amazed at the short term memory that a lot of people around here have. Ben will play the same way next year as he has his whole career and will miss a couple of games due to injury so why not draft or trade for a NFL grade backup? The Offensive line needs big time help due to the fact they cannot run block.Mendy is not a starting running back,wanna take pressure off Ben? Make teams fear the Steeler running game so a primary running back is needed. Plex is a heck of an upgrade over Wallace and probably quite a bit cheaper. Miller is Bens favorite target but will miss atleast half the season due to injury but Pitt Panther TE Shannahan would absolutely make this offense feel like Miller was still in the Huddle. Tomlin and Haley will still be around so we can expect Hell to be unleashed,timeouts wasted and head scratching play calls.I love my Steelers but they are in need of a lot of changes or an 8-8 2013 season.....Changes please:tt03:

fer522
12-30-2012, 08:19 PM
Ben and Haley need to be on the same page if Ben buys into Haley's offense then everybody will buy into it and we'll finally see what this offense is capable of

nj1923steelgirl
12-30-2012, 08:22 PM
Changes need to happen.....looking forward to 2013

sloppyjoe
12-30-2012, 08:25 PM
i see a 9-7 or 10-6 record and us missing the playoffs again.
there is nothing i see from the head coach that shows me he is learning anything or has the ability to motivate players
aging players that are always hurt, or underperforming
very few younger guys stepping up
no leaders on either side of the ball
undisciplined
team has no identity.. except for being soft and unprepared

PhantomJB93
12-30-2012, 08:53 PM
I think one of Lefty/Batch should go but not both. If Batch retires, keep Lefty, if not cut Lefty and keep Batch. Either way draft a QB in rounds 5-7 or sign a UFA (not every backup QB has to be an early pick Kaepernick or Wilson, they were drafted early with the intention of being eventual starters)

Ideally a RB should be drafted in round 2 or 3 this year. Round 2 unless a great prospect that could've gone in the first is still there for us. If Mendenhall is resigned cheap as a backup I won't complain but no matter what the plan can't be to go into next season with him the starter, or anyone else on this roster. A new workhorse needs to be found ASAP, none of this committee bullshit.

Resign Plax, don't go anywhere near Wallace, and draft a tall, physical receiver somewhere late in the draft. Not much needs to be done at WR but AB and Sanders need to rebound and get their shit together.

IDK when Heath will be ready. He will obviously be missed. I think Pope and Paulson can man the fort until he returns. I don't think we need to draft anybody and somebody decent can probably be found in FA cheap who can also contribute in Heath's absence.

I don't think anything needs to be done with OL. The personnel is all there if they can stay healthy for once. If Starks was on a one year deal this year, resign him again. The man has earned the starting LT job until he either retires or really loses a step.

If the rumors Harrison is leaving I heard today are true, he will be missed, but I am excited for Jason Worilds and think he will be a more than adequate replacement. His coverage skills as a complete OLB may not be there yet but he displayed massive improvements to his pass-rush this season and arguably had a better season than Woodley. I don't think an OLB needs to be drafted early to replace Harrison until Worilds is given a full chance, but I won't be completely upset if one is.

At ILB obviously Timmons is a beast. Foote could stay another year or could go. If he does, we have no idea what we're getting with Spence. I have preached and preached for Te'o and am still holding out hope we make a Polamalu-esque trade up for him, but we probably won't. Alec Ogeltree could be the answer in the draft but he's not really in our draft position range. If Foote is gone his spot is definitely the biggest question mark if the first round pick isn't an ILB.

I think the DLine is fine. Hood may not be Aaron Smith but he's been a perfectly adequate DE and does not need to be replaced just yet. I fully trust Mclendon to take over for Casey, who should be cut. Ta'amu was kept through all his legal BS so at this point just keep him for good. Keisel is getting old and should have his role reduced next year with Heyward seeing ore snaps. Noone needs to be drafted except for maybe added depth.

We NEED to resign Keenan Lewis. I know Allen has looked great too recently but we've been trying to develop a #2 CB for 4 years now since Townsend left, and we finally have one. I'd trust Allen with the job if we fail to sign Lewis but I'm not ready to see Curtis Brown in the nickel yet.

Troy Polamalu is only 31. I know he's had injury problems lately but I'm sure as hell not ready to cut him yet. He and Clark should still be our safeties next year. We definitely need to start looking for their replacements in the draft though, an first or second round pick should be spent on one within the next two drafts.

Overall, the only immediate changes personnel-wise that need to be made are RB and maybe ILB. Ben needs to stop being a drama queen and work it out with Haley, whose offense I thought was very good before injuries completely ruined the unit. Hopefully LeBeau comes back. I've stated my thoughts on the Tomlin haters numerous times in other threads but he will have this team ready to go next year, just as he did after the 09 season, just as he did after the 07 season, and everyone needs to calm down.

harrison'samonster
12-30-2012, 09:19 PM
A new workhorse needs to be found ASAP, none of this committee bullshit.

If Foote is gone his spot is definitely the biggest question mark if the first round pick isn't an ILB.



i absolutely agree that we need a RB who is going to be the workhorse. The committee crap does no good--a running back needs to get into rhythm. Add an injured OL and our running game gets no respect. This leads to 8-man fronts and nowhere to run and no time to throw.

I agree with you on Foote too. He plays solid and he leads the D on the field.

NSMaster56
12-30-2012, 10:51 PM
team has no identity.. except for being soft and unprepared

Actually, it's more that this teams identity is stuck in 2005-2008 except for, you know, the effort.

teegre
12-30-2012, 10:54 PM
At first, as I always think, was the idea of 19-0.

Then, I thought:
Fire BB!!!
Fire Tomlin!!!
Fire Haley!!!
Fire LeBeau!!!
Fire Steely McBeam!!!
Fire Heinz Field!!!

Lastly, somewhere in between is the truth.

teegre
12-30-2012, 11:05 PM
Thank you for this thread.

Too much "woulda, shoulda, coulda" and "Fire (person)!!!" threads.

WALLACE
The dude bugged me to no end this year, but I still think that he gets resigned. The Steelers have repeatedly stated that their primary goal is to re-sign him... and I see it being given a legitimate attempt. I see him (finally) accepting that original offer: 5 years, $50 million.

KEENAN LEWIS
He is priority #1 in "my" mind. I think that eh is more important than Wallace... but, I think that he is the second FA that they target (after Wallace). 5 years, $37 million.

DRAFT
NT is debatable. So is LG (if The Colon i released, then LG could be a target).

OLB should be addressed, and ILB could be addressed.

Both safety positions need to be addressed, and this is the year to do it (although, I only see one being drafted this year).

CB... I like the CBs, but only if Keenan is brought back. Ike has one more year in him, and Keenan & Cortez are the future. Curtis Brown has shown flashes of being capable, but also moments of WTF!?! I could see a late-round CB being taken, to fill in and/or fight for the fourth CB spot.

RUNNING BACKS
I am not a fan of Spinny, but he has moments where he looks great. Dwyer I like, but he can not play an entire series, let alone an entire game. Redman has shown flashes.

The options appear to be: "RB by committee" or "draft a full-time starter."

I say use the RB by committee for one more year, and draft Marcus Lattimore (& rest him for a year). Why? AP came back better... and Lattimore's knee injury was twice as bad... so... he should come back twice as good (like 2,300 yards... right?).

There is some tongue in cheek, but I am quasi-serious about Lattimore.

Kanata-Steeler
12-30-2012, 11:07 PM
Yes, I agree pretty much with the OP's post, especially (but sadly) in
"...Batch and Lefty need to go..."
We need to begin making room for the next youngblood Ben, as a solid backup. ...

EDIT: plus I'm a bit happier now that the Cowboys also just got booted outta the playoffs, thanyou 'Skins. Yay! :)

SteelCurtain5643
12-30-2012, 11:32 PM
Welp, 8-8, very disappointing underachieving season to say the least. Glad its over though. Hopefully we retool a little bit, get younger defensively and actually get a secondary and we come back next year as good as ever. Cant win em all but ill take only missing the playoffs 4 times in the last 10 yrs and winning 2 of 3 super bowls any day. Lets go Steelers!!:tt02::tt02:

Justp94
12-31-2012, 01:09 AM
Your thoughts on next year. None of this get rid of Tomlin, Ben , Haley, Lebeau stuff. I am here to tell you none of that is happening unless the ones mention decide to leave on their own. I wil start.

First RB, I for one am willing to resign Mendenhall, IF, he can be signed at a fair price. Dwyer needs to be told in no uncertain terms to show up in playing shape, he has been in the league now for what 3 years and he has been woefully out of shape every season opener. Redman is OK for backup , but I would love to sign one Rookie that the Steelers see some promise in. I love Raineys potential but just do not know if he is being utilized. His size has proved to be an issue this year.

Second WR, I am in the minority but I think you let Plax go, sorry would of loved to have had him in his prime but 36 year old (next year Aug) is a little old to be playing a young mans position. Brown, Crotch, signed and back. Wallace, oh what to do? Sign him if possible, but do not break the bank. If he agrees to a deal I think he can put this season behind him. Would love to find a serviceable wideout in the draft, easier said than done.

TE, gonna need somebody to fill in for Heath until he is healed. Might be time to draft or find a free agent. Pope will do for now, Paulson not so much.

OL, honestly I just think this unit needs to stay healthy for a little while and they could become a good group. I do not know who has replaced Kugler but all I can hope is they do a good job.

Ben , he will be back and I expect a great season, IMO Batch and Lefty need to go. We need a young guy who can learn and play without breaking down on the first big hit. Lot of experience but I for one would rather go younger especially if its someone who has some promise.

DL Hampton was the anchor of this great defense, along with Smith for years, but it is time to go, Coaches have talked up McClendon for some time, lets see what he can do. Kiesel needs another chance to show what he can do. Heyward and Ziggy will both be back, but would love some new blood in this lineup.

LBers Woodley had a disappointing season, but hopefully is back better than ever, Timmons had a great year and would be nice to see these guys great together one year. I expect Worilds, Spence to see time. Harrison may have to redo his contract to play another season. Foote, I honestly do not know, he is still capable but I would love to see a high draft choice replace him.

DB/S Ike is back, maybe for the last hurrah. Lewis needs to be resigned but may be too expensive and with only one quality season under his belt who could blame the Steelers for not over spending. Both Allens, Clark and Troy are back but need some more young talent with them. I think Troy bounces back but him and Clark are both short timers now. Saddens me.

Kicker Suisham is reliable and should be here unless beaten out by some unknown.
Punter We need a new one.
ST Coach Replace

Without looking over the next draft I can not at this time even hazard a guess who will likely make the team next year, but we need fresh blood, new backups, and we need a new ST coach. Haley and Ben both need to give and take a little next year. We cannot play so conservative, yet we cannot go to a heave it down field concept either. We need a somewhat (I said somewhat) balanced attack and either new RBs or new technique used on the OL. Bens numbers were good til the injury, then something happened. Ben Bashers think he rebelled,but I think it was a combination of things, and one of those is the other teams finally after 9 games had film on this offense and they squeezed the WR on the line and basically eliminated the long ball with a line that could not give protection. Without a decent running game our options were few and futile. There was a reason that Heath was targeted as much as he was and that is he is our most physical receiver and broke open more. I do not think we need an overhaul, just a little tweaking. The thing that scares me the most is I thought this years team ONLY needed a LITTLE tweaking after Arians left. We will see.

I honestly believe the Steelers need more depth at Cornerback, and if we can't get a good deal with Keenan Lewis then the Steelers should definitely look into drafting a CB in the First Round. I believe the Steelers will draft two CBs in this draft one being mid-high range, and one lower rounds.

Also, I believe if Wallace isn't back next year we'll draft a WR in the Third Round since Wallace was a previous third rounder, he'll be replaced by such. And I expect Plaxico to be back to help the younger receivers and to be in Redzone situations.

The offensive line is getting better, however Colon needs to be cut, especially if he ends up on Injured Reserve again next year. He's a good player, but can't stay healthy. So, I think the safe thing to do is to draft a Left Guard in the Second Round to be Colon's replacement if need be.

If Foote is gone (If he's still here then that's fine as he's proven worthy of starting), Spence needs to step up. If Harrison is gone (If he's still here then he should be given a chance to reclaim his starting position if he's healthy), Worilds needs to step up, plain as that. The Steelers will probably draft a linebacker in the mid-rounds if they see someone that fits our team.

The Steelers will try to resign Mendenhall as he is definitely the most talented back we have and if given a chance to shine should be the back we all know he can be. Dwyer lose some weight bro, you're not as gifted as the Bus. Redman may be resigned to be a third down back like Mewelde Moore was...

I have no opinion on the D-Line as I thought the whole reason we drafted Hood was to play D-Tackle... but now he's a Defensive end... and I'm not sure how good McClendon is...

lloydwoodson
12-31-2012, 01:46 AM
QB/OC - Ben needs to get on Haley's page not the other way around. And Ben shares responsibility for the play calls because he has a lot of flexibility to audible.

HB - I hope Mendenhall is back. My philosophy is that drafting rbs in the early rounds is a waste because of their short careers. I would only draft an Adrian Peterson/Marshawn Lynch type in the first. Not worth replacing Mendy. RB is solid as it is. Don't make it a need by cutting Mendenhall.

FB - Will Johnson looked really good. He better stay.

TE - Miller needs to heal. Hopefully he is back 100%. No other TE is certain.

OL - Starks DeCastro Pouncey Legursky Adams (will probably use Legursky as backup - I dont know if Gilbert could move inside). DeCastro needs to improve a lot. Foster should be a backup.

WR - Wallace gets resigned for a contract no better than Brown's or he walks. Sanders, Brown and Cotchery are good enough regardless of Wallace.

DL - Hood McLendon Heyward with Keisel rotating. Ta'amu gets his shit together and sees the field more.

OLB - HUGE area of concern. Lack of a pass rush this past season was the team's most glaring shortcoming. It is amazing the DB held up. Harrison is done (God I love that man I am going to miss him the most). Woodley and Worilds need to step up immensely next year.

ILB - Same same. Spence sees more playing time while Sylvester is overlooked for whatever reason. I think Sylvester deserves a shot to start he is a ST beast. Timmons avenges Probowl snub by finally recording those 18 sacks he was talking about.

CB - Taylor, Lewis and Allen form the best trio in the NFL outside of SEA and CHI.

S - Polamalu continues to decline and has more injuries. His last season next year. Clark will be much the same.

ST - Need to improve DRASTICALLY! Horrible ST effort last year. Multiple big plays called back.

NSMaster56
12-31-2012, 10:35 AM
draft Marcus Lattimore (& rest him for a year). Why? AP came back better... and Lattimore's knee injury was twice as bad... so... he should come back twice as good (like 2,300 yards... right?).

There is some tongue in cheek, but I am quasi-serious about Lattimore.

This is a not a terrible idea, especially should he slip to the later rounds of the draft or go undrafted due to injury concerns.

jiminpa
12-31-2012, 07:37 PM
DL - Hood McLendon Heyward with Keisel rotating. Ta'amu gets his shit together and sees the field more.

All good points even the ones I disagree with, but this one jumps out at me, specifically Ziggy. The next time he gets pushed so deep he needs a passport to go any further he needs to just stay in whatever zipcode he ends up in. If we can afford Casey we need to keep him and The Beard. There's no one behind them as good, and the younger guys need to beat them on the field for their spots, cap permitting.

steeltheone
12-31-2012, 07:42 PM
Thank you for this thread.

Too much "woulda, shoulda, coulda" and "Fire (person)!!!" threads.

WALLACE
The dude bugged me to no end this year, but I still think that he gets resigned. The Steelers have repeatedly stated that their primary goal is to re-sign him... and I see it being given a legitimate attempt. I see him (finally) accepting that original offer: 5 years, $50 million.

KEENAN LEWIS
He is priority #1 in "my" mind. I think that eh is more important than Wallace... but, I think that he is the second FA that they target (after Wallace). 5 years, $37 million.

DRAFT
NT is debatable. So is LG (if The Colon i released, then LG could be a target).

OLB should be addressed, and ILB could be addressed.

Both safety positions need to be addressed, and this is the year to do it (although, I only see one being drafted this year).

CB... I like the CBs, but only if Keenan is brought back. Ike has one more year in him, and Keenan & Cortez are the future. Curtis Brown has shown flashes of being capable, but also moments of WTF!?! I could see a late-round CB being taken, to fill in and/or fight for the fourth CB spot.

RUNNING BACKS
I am not a fan of Spinny, but he has moments where he looks great. Dwyer I like, but he can not play an entire series, let alone an entire game. Redman has shown flashes.

The options appear to be: "RB by committee" or "draft a full-time starter."

I say use the RB by committee for one more year, and draft Marcus Lattimore (& rest him for a year). Why? AP came back better... and Lattimore's knee injury was twice as bad... so... he should come back twice as good (like 2,300 yards... right?).

There is some tongue in cheek, but I am quasi-serious about Lattimore.
Where does this 87 million come from?

teegre
12-31-2012, 08:09 PM
Where does this 87 million come from?

Omar Khan is a cap genius. He will find the money.

My guesses as to where:

1. I am sure that BB will restructure (or even give $2-$3 million back) in order to keep Wallace.

2. Older players who get cut (eg Casey the Hutt).

3. High-priced players ( LaMarr) restructuring.

et cetera...

lloydwoodson
12-31-2012, 08:19 PM
All good points even the ones I disagree with, but this one jumps out at me, specifically Ziggy. The next time he gets pushed so deep he needs a passport to go any further he needs to just stay in whatever zipcode he ends up in. If we can afford Casey we need to keep him and The Beard. There's no one behind them as good, and the younger guys need to beat them on the field for their spots, cap permitting.

Ziggy is better at penetrating than holding his ground. He would be a beast 4-3 DT. I don't think he is as bad as people make him seem.

Casey needs to go. He had a much better season this year than last but is largely unnoticeable.

Hampton sure celebrated like a maniac when he was bullying the 3rd string rookie Bengals C though.

TRH
12-31-2012, 08:20 PM
Wallace and Mendenhall will both be gone. Very little chance they come back, if any.

I think they'll make every effort to make Keenan Lewis a big deal. No possible way we can afford to lose anything in this porous secondary - and he's proved to be a big playmaker. That would be a huge hit to the team if he wasn't signed.

lloydwoodson
01-01-2013, 07:56 AM
Wallace and Mendenhall will both be gone. Very little chance they come back, if any.

I think they'll make every effort to make Keenan Lewis a big deal. No possible way we can afford to lose anything in this porous secondary - and he's proved to be a big playmaker. That would be a huge hit to the team if he wasn't signed.

I agree Wallace will be gone. Mendenhall should be kept if possible. Mendenhall is coming off a knee surgery and the rest of the league will be wary of his status. He didn't show much this season. Mendenhall still has something left in the tank but who knows how much.

The fact is he is a rd 1 pick and the Steelers should not get into the habit of burning a high draft pick every 4 years on a running back. High picks should be used on positions of longevity.

Mendenhall will be cheap to rehire (he has been the best value on the team imo).

FrancoLambert
01-01-2013, 10:30 AM
Casey's got to go.
McClendon was talked up big time coming into this year and when he played you noticed him. He can run, has a motor, and seems to play with some fire.
Can't see things getting better with another year of Hampton at NT.