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truesteelerfan
01-02-2013, 11:42 AM
I really, really think I would love to see Brandon Jacobs brought in to fix our RB problem.

People may argue he was a problem child - speaking out about how little he was used in SF. But don't we want a back who WANTS the ball - no more of Dwyer saying he needs a breather after 2 consecutive carries.

I don't know how often he's been injured - or if that is a concern, obviously that could change our interest. But when I've seen him play in NY - he was a pounder! We would still have Rainey, possibly Batch and the others for a change of pace back - but I've always wanted to see Jacobs in a Steeler uniform.

As he was cut by SF a few days ago - perhaps he would not cost a boatload of money since not a traditional F.A. whose contract had expired.

Thoughts?

GoFor7
01-02-2013, 11:46 AM
I really, really think I would love to see Brandon Jacobs brought in to fix our RB problem.

People may argue he was a problem child - speaking out about how little he was used in SF. But don't we want a back who WANTS the ball - no more of Dwyer saying he needs a breather after 2 consecutive carries.

I don't know how often he's been injured - or if that is a concern, obviously that could change our interest. But when I've seen him play in NY - he was a pounder! We would still have Rainey, possibly Batch and the others for a change of pace back - but I've always wanted to see Jacobs in a Steeler uniform.

As he was cut by SF a few days ago - perhaps he would not cost a boatload of money since not a traditional F.A. whose contract had expired.

Thoughts?

I don't know about 2013, but the Steelers should have looked at him last off season with Mendenhall's injury.

harrison'samonster
01-02-2013, 11:55 AM
I don't know what the Steelers are going to do with the RB situation, but I've never thought much of Jacobs. Maybe I'm too hard on him because of his size and I expect more of him? But he always runs high. I wouldn't mind if they brought him in to push Mendenhall, if that's what he needs.

I'm not sure what has lowered peoples opinion of Redman, he looks pretty good and hasn't gotten a whole lot of chances. Maybe the Steelers just wanted to see what they had in Dwyer this year.

Lord of Lombardi
01-02-2013, 12:01 PM
I'd really like to see someone brought in to fix our fan's solution to fixing our RB issues.

BJ....really?

We don't typically go after free agents let alone washed up free agents.

OX1947
01-02-2013, 12:02 PM
Are some of you on crack or just do not pay attention to anyone outside Pittsburgh? Jacobs is just as bad as Mendenhall in the dipshit category. Steelers need team players who play not guys who are worried about cars they are picking up on the weekends.

El-Gonzo Jackson
01-02-2013, 01:03 PM
Steelers need a RB with Mendenhall type skill set....not another plodder. A Ryan Matthews type guy with 225 lb size and some quickness to get to the edge.

lloydwoodson
01-02-2013, 01:14 PM
Getting a "Ryan Matthews" would involve drafting a rb in the first round. That is a waste of a pick and Ryan Matthews isn't that good. Mendenhall is better than most of the 1st round running backs since 2001. Just look at all the busts!


List of 1st round running backs. I stole this from the Bengals website.

2001 Draft:
5. LaDainian Tomlinson, Texan Christian, 5'10" 215lbs
Best Season: 348carries, 1815yards, 28tds, 5.2ypc. 8 1000+ yard seasons.
Average Season: 288carries, 1244yards, 13tds, 4.3ypc

23. Duece McAllister, Mississippi, 6'1" 232lbs(8 seasons)
Best Season: 351carries, 1641yards, 8tds, 4.7ypc. 4 1000+ yard seasons.
Average Season: 178carries, 762yards, 6tds, 4.3ypc

27. Michael Bennett, Wisconsin, 5'9" 205lbs(10 seasons)
Best Season: 255carries, 1296yards, 5tds, 5.1ypc. 1 1000+ yard season.
Average Season: 84carries, 307yards, 1td, 4.4ypc

2002 Draft:
16. William Green, Boston College, 6'0" 217lbs(4 seasons)
Best Season: 243carries, 887yards, 6tds, 3.7ypc.
Average Season: 142carries, 527yards, 2tds, 3.7ypc

18. TJ Duckett, Michigan State, 6'0" 254lbs(7 seasons)
Best Season: 197carries, 779yards, 11tds, 4.0ypc
Average Season: 89carries, 351yards, 5tds, 3.9ypc

2003 Draft:
23. Willis McGahee, Miami, 6'0" 235lbs
Best Season: 294carries, 1207yards, 7tds, 4.1ypc. 4 1000+ yard seasons.
Average Season: 223carries, 920yards, 7tds, 4.1ypc

27. Larry Johnson, Penn State, 6'1" 235lbs(8 seasons)
Best Season: 336carries, 1750yards, 20tds, 5.2ypc. 2 1000+ yard seasons.
Average Season: 177carries, 787yards, 7tds, 4.4ypc

2004 Draft:
24. Steven Jackson, Oregon State, 6'2" 240lbs
Best Season: 346carries, 1528yards, 13tds, 4.4ypc. 7 1000+yard seasons.
Average Season: 267carries, 1136yards, 6tds, 4.3ypc

26. Chris Perry, Michigan, 6'0" 224lbs(4 seasons)
Best Season: 104carries, 269yards, 2tds, 2.6ypc
Average Season: 44carries, 151 yards, 3.4ypc

30. Kevin Jones, Virginia Tech, 6'0" 225lbs (5 seasons)
Best Season: 241carries, 1133yards, 5tds, 4.7ypc. 1 1000+ yard season.
Average Season: 159carries, 635yards, 5tds, 4.0ypc

2005 Draft:
4. Cedric Benson, Texas, 5'11" 227lbs
Best Season: 301carries, 1251yards, 6tds, 4.2ypc. 3 1000+ yard seasons.
Average Season: 218carries, 824yards, 4tds, 3.8ypc

2006 Draft:
2. Reggie Bush, USC, 6'0" 213lbs
Best Season: 216carries, 1086yards, 6tds, 5.0ypc. 1 1000+ yard season.
Average Season: 123carries, 529yards, 4tds, 4.3ypc

21. Laurence Maroney, Minnesota, 5'11" 220lbs(5 seasons)
Best Season: 185carries, 835yards, 6tds, 4.5ypc
Average Season: 123carries, 417yards, 3tds, 4.1ypc

27. DeAngelo Williams, Memphis, 5'9" 217lbs
Best Season: 273carries, 1515yards, 18tds, 5.5ypc. 2 1000+ yard seasons.
Average Season: 166carries, 841yards, 6tds, 5.1ypc

30. Joseph Addai, LSU, 5'11" 214lbs
Best Season: 261carries, 1072yards, 12tds, 4.1ypc
Average Season: 182carries, 742yards, 6tds, 4.1ypc

2007 Draft:
7. Adrian Peterson, Oklahoma, 6'1" 217lbs
Best Season: 363carries, 1760yards, 10tds, 4.8ypc. 5 1000+ yard seasons.
Average Season: 281carries, 1350yards, 13tds, 4.8ypc

12. Marshawn Lynch, California, 5'11" 215lbs
Best Season: 285carries, 1204yards, 12tds, 4.2ypc. 3 1000+ yard seasons.
Average Season: 227carries, 908yards, 7tds, 4.0ypc

2008 Draft:
4. Darren McFadden, Arkansas, 6'2" 210lbs
Best Season: 223carries, 1157yards, 7tds, 5.2ypc. 1 1000+ yard season.
Average Season: 138carries, 656yards, 4tds, 4.8ypc

13. Jonathan Stewart, Oregon, 5'10" 235lbs
Best Season: 221carries, 1133yards, 10tds, 5.1ypc. 1 1000+ yard season.
Average Season: 181carries, 875yards, 6tds, 4.8ypc

22. Felix Jones, Arkansas, 5'10" 217lbs
Best Season: 185carries, 800yards, 1td, 4.3ypc
Average Season: 114carries, 581yards, 2tds, 5.1ypc

23. Rashard Mendenhall, Illinois, 5'10" 225lbs
Best Season: 324 carries, 1273yards, 13tds, 3.9ypc. 2 1000+ yard seasons.
Average Season: 203carries, 841yards, 7tds, 4.1ypc

24. Chris Johnson, East Carolina, 5'11" 191lbs
Best Season: 358carries, 2006yards, 14tds, 5.6ypc. 4 1000+ yard seasons.
Average Season: 296carries, 1411yards, 9tds, 4.8ypc

2009 Draft:
12. Knowshon Moreno, Georgia, 5'11" 200lbs
Best Season: 247carries, 947yards, 7tds, 3.8ypc
Average Season: 155carries, 635yards, 4tds, 4.1ypc

27. Donald Brown, U.Conn, 5'10" 210lbs
Best Season: 134carries, 645yards, 5tds, 4.8ypc
Average Season: 113carries, 474yards, 3tds, 4.2ypc

31. Beanie Wells, Ohio State, 6'2" 229lbs
Best Season: 245carries, 1047yards, 10tds, 4.3ypc. 1 1000+ yard season.
Average Season: 179carries, 745carries, 6tds, 4.2ypc

2010 Draft:
9. CJ Spiller, Clemson, 5'11" 197lbs
Best Season: 107carries, 561yards, 4tds, 5.2ypc
Average Season: 90carries, 422yards, 2tds, 4.7ypc

12. Ryan Mathews, Fresno State, 6'0" 218lbs
Best Season: 222carries, 1091yards, 6tds, 4.9ypc. 1 1000+ yard season.
Average Season: 190carries, 884yards, 6tds, 4.7ypc

30. Jahvid Best, California, 5'10" 199lbs
Best Season: 171carries, 555yards, 4tds, 3.2ypc
Average Season: 127carries, 472yards, 3tds, 3.7ypc

My criteria to be considered worth your first round selection: average 200+ carries, and/or 800+yards, at least 4.0ypc, and 6tds per season. I didn't include receiving yards since the main job of a running back is to run the ball.

I made an exception for Deuce McAllister because the 4 seasons he saw real action he dominated.

Key Take-aways:
-There were 28 running backs taken in the 1st round of the last 10 drafts.
-11 of the 28 backs taken in the first round lived up to their pick. That's roughly 39%.
-There were 6 running backs taken in the top10, only 2 lived up to their pick(Peterson, Tomlinson)
-The average pick of a 1st round running back is 19th.
-Only 1 successful 1st round running back was taken from the SEC, 4 total.
-The average size of a 1st round running back is 5'11" 219lbs. The average successful running back is 5'11" 221lbs.
-5 of the 11 successful 1st round running backs are at least 6'0" tall. Only one is under 5'10".
-Only 1 successful 1st round running back is under 215lbs, but there are 8 total.
-The average, average season of a 1st round running back is 165carries, 729yards, 5tds, 4.4ypc. The successful 1st running back averages 227carries, 1015yards, 8tds, 4.5ypc.

ZoneBlitzer
01-02-2013, 01:47 PM
What happened to Jacobs anyway? I was impressed with him a few seasons ago. I thought he was a big man who ran hard. But I haven't followed his career to closely. He has fallen off the proverbial cliff it would seem.

Fire Haley
01-02-2013, 02:13 PM
Washed up - 8 years is way past prime for a fatback

lloydwoodson
01-02-2013, 02:15 PM
What happened to Jacobs anyway? I was impressed with him a few seasons ago. I thought he was a big man who ran hard. But I haven't followed his career to closely. He has fallen off the proverbial cliff it would seem.

I think the bigger the back the harder they fall. For every action there is an opposite reaction and they take the force of the hit they lay on the other player just as hard. There have been some great backs over the years that took too much punishment and had short careers- Larry Johnson and Earl Campbell come to mind.

It is amazing how long Bettis lasted.

truesteelerfan
01-02-2013, 02:23 PM
Still think he would be at least worth having checked out.

truesteelerfan
01-02-2013, 02:24 PM
What happened to Jacobs anyway? I was impressed with him a few seasons ago. I thought he was a big man who ran hard. But I haven't followed his career to closely. He has fallen off the proverbial cliff it would seem.

After leaving the Giants - he signed with San Fran - where he was recently cut (this week) after complaining about his lack of action. He only touched the ball half a dozen times this year - so 8 years is not really 8 years of hits.

austinfrench76
01-02-2013, 02:27 PM
I agree that he may be talented or may have had talent but he is another Mendenhall with the attitud but without the quicks to get to the edge. No thanks man.

pittpete
01-02-2013, 02:34 PM
no no no no no no no on Jacobs.
Did I say no?

steeltheone
01-03-2013, 12:01 AM
I'd really like to see someone brought in to fix our fan's solution to fixing our RB issues.

BJ....really?

We don't typically go after free agents let alone washed up free agents. We typically don't have the personnel issues we have now.

nikstar
01-03-2013, 04:42 AM
I don't know, as much as I disagree with signing aging free agents, and as much as it goes against the Steelers MO, If there ever was a runningback for the the black and gold to sign to emulate Bettis and his short yardage running it would probably be Jacobs.

ricardisimo
01-03-2013, 06:04 AM
It's probably a moot point. Mendenhall is coming back. The only question is: can he still be coached up? I hope so. I still like his skill set and smarts, and I still want to see what he can do with a real line. That still hasn't happened.

kan_t
01-03-2013, 09:36 AM
It's probably a moot point. Mendenhall is coming back. The only question is: can he still be coached up? I hope so. I still like his skill set and smarts, and I still want to see what he can do with a real line. That still hasn't happened.

May I ask where's your confiderence come from? Maybe I have missed the news. I don't remember that there is any news about him coming back.

Fire Arians
01-03-2013, 10:38 AM
brandon jacobs? come on man

maybe in 2005

GoFor7
01-03-2013, 10:40 AM
It's probably a moot point. Mendenhall is coming back. The only question is: can he still be coached up? I hope so. I still like his skill set and smarts, and I still want to see what he can do with a real line. That still hasn't happened.

It really doesn't look like he wants to play under Tomlin anymore.

NSMaster56
01-03-2013, 12:43 PM
Brandon Jacobs?

Who cancelled?

Sign Beanie Wells, draft a RB 3/4 RD, retain Mendy and that's pretty much it for options.

OX1947
01-03-2013, 12:49 PM
I would love Beanie, but he pretty much admitted last year that he will have knee problems for the rest of his life. Steelers need to find an Alfred Morris. 22 year old stud in the 2nd or 3rd round who balls every game.

NSMaster56
01-03-2013, 12:49 PM
I don't know, as much as I disagree with signing aging free agents, and as much as it goes against the Steelers MO, If there ever was a runningback for the the black and gold to sign to emulate Bettis and his short yardage running it would probably be Jacobs.

You're right, it would emulate Bettis' production after he turned 30: missed tons of games due to injury, fell below 4 Yds/CAR, split carries with Amos Zereoue and Duce and was mostly only effective as a goal line back...

Steelers need a young workhorse RB, not a complimentary guy on the downslope of their career.

ricardisimo
01-03-2013, 11:33 PM
May I ask where's your confiderence come from? Maybe I have missed the news. I don't remember that there is any news about him coming back.
Not that I know what confiderence is, but if I did have it, it would come from here (http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2012/12/16/3772796/steelers-rashard-mendenhall-contract-free-agency-report-salary-2013).

GoFor7
01-04-2013, 12:12 AM
Not that I know what confiderence is, but if I did have it, it would come from here (http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2012/12/16/3772796/steelers-rashard-mendenhall-contract-free-agency-report-salary-2013).

Noting the date that article was posted was December 16th. That leaves one question - why would the Steelers break their long-standing tradition of not negotiating mid-season with a player that has had attitude issues?

lloydwoodson
01-04-2013, 12:53 AM
Noting the date that article was posted was December 16th. That leaves one question - why would the Steelers break their long-standing tradition of not negotiating mid-season with a player that has had attitude issues?

Who cares? I am just ecstatic there is a good chance that Mendenhall will be back! Oh yeah! :tt03:

ricardisimo
01-04-2013, 11:18 AM
Noting the date that article was posted was December 16th. That leaves one question - why would the Steelers break their long-standing tradition of not negotiating mid-season with a player that has had attitude issues?
I think that's mostly PR. Seems to me every other year there's a signing done mid-season in relatively quiet fashion, and then five minutes later the standard line reverts to "no negotiations during the season".

BKAnthem
01-04-2013, 12:15 PM
What about that Kid Jason Ford? he looked pretty good for us between the tackles in preseason...that and his resemblance physically to Bettis