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maddog78
01-06-2013, 10:21 AM
The worst thing the Steelers can do this offseason is to let young guys like Wallace and Lewis walk and bring back expensive, over the hill vets to make one more run in 2013. Can't keep kicking salary down the road.

You also have to find out what you have in young guys like Worilds, Sylvester, Heyward, McClendon, and Allen and Brown in the secondary. If they stink, you know what you need in 2014. If you bench them for another year for guys in their mid-30's, you delay the process.

Indy purged a ton this past offseason. Worked pretty well for them.

Also, and this is where I have no faith in the staff and FO, but it's time to build around your young talent. Build a defense around penetrating one-gap DL, build an offense around a franchise QB in his prime and his myriad weapons, not Jonathan Dwyer and Ike Redman for chrissakes. Still trying to wrap my head around that one.

:banging:

sloppyjoe
01-06-2013, 10:49 AM
until DL decides to leave, our defense will not change. when it does, i want it to go to a 4-3

austinfrench76
01-06-2013, 01:42 PM
Indy also was starting with the #1 overall pick in the draft. That's the biggest change for them from last year. Remember: we are a couple of plays away from the playoffs. We could/should have won the North. I know, coulda woulda shoulda, but it is reality. We aren't in "start over" mode. We shouldn't be. We are in a relaod situation (and I know that phrase is overused) but go down our roster and tell me what position we need to "start over" at? Also, vets aren't just good players, they lead. We missed Farrior this year. Definitely not his play but his leadership. It's one thing to have a bunch of talented young guys but to have some vet experience makes us dangerous. We cannot and should not purge.

maddog78
01-06-2013, 02:03 PM
until DL decides to leave, our defense will not change. when it does, i want it to go to a 4-3

Force it. Lovie Smith is available, and we have more 4-3 players than 3-4 now.

It has to happen soon, do it now.

Rolling out the same team next year guarantees no better than 8-8, probably closer to 5-11.

maddog78
01-06-2013, 02:05 PM
Indy also was starting with the #1 overall pick in the draft. That's the biggest change for them from last year. Remember: we are a couple of plays away from the playoffs. We could/should have won the North. I know, coulda woulda shoulda, but it is reality. We aren't in "start over" mode. We shouldn't be. We are in a relaod situation (and I know that phrase is overused) but go down our roster and tell me what position we need to "start over" at? Also, vets aren't just good players, they lead. We missed Farrior this year. Definitely not his play but his leadership. It's one thing to have a bunch of talented young guys but to have some vet experience makes us dangerous. We cannot and should not purge.

Who led this year? Thank them for all of their contributions, but it's time to move on. This team last won a Super Bowl four years ago. They're not recapturing that magic with the same players.

jiminpa
01-06-2013, 02:33 PM
The reason why the rest of the league circles their calendars when they play the Steelers, (and yes they do), and some teams even consider the Steelers their whole season is because the Rooneys don't do that. The teams that bet the farm for a playoff run every five or so years rarely even get into the playoffs on the years they are gaming for, because that is a losers' strategy, and just reveals that they think like losers, and so they lose. It's what they do. The Steelers win. It's what they do. Okay, we don't get the gold medal every year, but we start every season with a legitimate shot at it. Not all teams can say that. At 8-8 Steelers fans are ready to fire everyone and start over because it's such a letdown. But that's exactly what the teams that see 8-8 as not a losing season do to hover at 8-8. If you want to rebuild every year, become a Browns or a jags fan, but that's not really what you want, and the Steelers don't need to develop that mentality.

cbrunn
01-06-2013, 02:54 PM
The reason why the rest of the league circles their calendars when they play the Steelers, (and yes they do), and some teams even consider the Steelers their whole season is because the Rooneys don't do that. The teams that bet the farm for a playoff run every five or so years rarely even get into the playoffs on the years they are gaming for, because that is a losers' strategy, and just reveals that they think like losers, and so they lose. It's what they do. The Steelers win. It's what they do. Okay, we don't get the gold medal every year, but we start every season with a legitimate shot at it. Not all teams can say that. At 8-8 Steelers fans are ready to fire everyone and start over because it's such a letdown. But that's exactly what the teams that see 8-8 as not a losing season do to hover at 8-8. If you want to rebuild every year, become a Browns or a jags fan, but that's not really what you want, and the Steelers don't need to develop that mentality.

It has nothing to do with this??

Clark - 33 yrs old - Stepped up this year ... but his time is coming, thankfully he never really relied on athleticism and more on his IQ and instincts...

Foote - 32 yrs old - Foote had a OK year this year with tackles , but He got burned in pass coverage wayyyyyy to much for the new NFL ... overall I wouldn't mind having him back if the price was right and only for a backup

Hampton - 35 yrs old - Boooo , Mclendon played better than him all year when given a chance ... Thanks Hampton but your time is up

Harrison - 34 yrs old - 6 Sacks , was he even on the field?? , Worilds had 5 with I'm guessing not even half as much playing time ... Thanks James but your run is over

Keisel - 34 yrs old - Overal not a bad year, but cost us with a couple of offsides, and with 1st round picks spent on taking over his position ... you have to let the 1st rounder take over, not just let them Rot on the bench for loyalty ... would really rather him not be back , but My guess is he will be and that'll be another year a 1st round pick is rotting away on the bench

Troy - 31 yrs old - Everybody and their mom agrees a shell of his former self ... He'll be back unless he retires ... Hopefully can stay healthy but I would rather have his money back on the books to have options to sign a younger play maker like Mike Wallace or whatever

Miller - 30 yrs old - coming off tearing his knee up - Great year , Great Player , but doubt he'll be ready for the beginning of the season

Woodley - 27 yrs old - Threw him on here because he got his big contract and seem like he doesn't care anymore ... GET INTO SHAPE

I'm sorry but they are in a rebuilding/reloading stage ... and they have been in the draft in the past years getting ready for this change ... but they won't let the players play because the older not productive anymore players are still around...

Keisel (Heyward , production doesn't drop off any from the switch)
Hampton (Mcclendon, production goes up with the switch)
Harrison (Worilds, Carter ... production doesn't drop , maybe goes up with the switch)
Foote ( Sly, Spence ... I don't think production drops much, and get a better pass coverage with the switch)

lloydwoodson
01-06-2013, 03:01 PM
I agree with the OP. I do not agree with the word "purge" but I agree that the Steelers do not trust their young players enough or give them a chance to develop.

I remember Keisel being terrible against the run in his first year as a starter and teams constantly running to his side to take advantage. He improved a lot with the playing time and has now become a very solid performer.

Who thought James Harrison would have been able to do a better job than Joey Porter? Well he didn't in his first season as a starter recording only 8.5 sacks- he was DPOY the following season.

Could Keenan Lewis have been better than William Gay last year? Probably and Lewis would have been even better this year with a season under his belt.

That is one knock against the Steelers I agree with- they are too conservative at playing new personnel.

Steelers5895
01-06-2013, 06:12 PM
I would rather see the steelers take 2013 as a year to build for the future than run out a roster full of 30+ year old declining players for a potential one and done playoff season at best. Most likely 8-8.

Trade down to accumulate picks. See of we can get a taker for Wallace if we franchise him and make him sing for his supper in 2013. Find some gems on other teams rosters, higher draft picks not performing and see if we can steal them. Give Rolando McClain a look.

Not sure i want to go into 2013 old as we did on 2012.

lloydwoodson
01-06-2013, 06:59 PM
The Cortez Allen / Keenan Lewis decision parallels the Mike Wallace / Tone Brown decision.

If you can't keep both which one do you choose? Allen is signed for 2 more years I believe. Can they afford Lewis? He is asking for Ike Taylor money. Sign Lewis and use Taylor's money on Allen when he retires?

I personally would let Lewis walk if he demands Ike Taylor money. Lewis has 1 career interception and while opposing quarterbacks have only an 80 RTG against him he covers the 2nd WR not the first WR.

So QBs have average production against Lewis matched up on the 2nd WR and he doesn't cause turnovers.

Allen is almost identical to Lewis - 6'1 4.51 40 time vs 6'0 4.47 40 time - but he has caused more turnovers in less playing time and opposing QBs also have an 80 RTG versus him.

Do they draft Johnathon Banks in the first?

madtowndrunkard
01-06-2013, 08:25 PM
I think purging salaries and deliberately going into rebuilding mode is a thing of the past. Few teams do it anymore.. It's becoming comon place that a team rebuilds in one offseason.... when you have a QB you always have a legit shot in today's NFL.

Look at Colts... everyone thought this year was their rebuilding year. In reality every year is a rebuilding year.. every year you should try to build a Superbowl contender... especially when you have a good QB.

So this idea of dumping 2013 for a better 2014 is just ridiculous.

Hawaii 5-0
01-06-2013, 08:30 PM
So this idea of dumping 2013 for a better 2014 is just ridiculous.

plus I wouldn't want to just sacrifice one of Ben's years that he has left, he is in his prime right now.

NSMaster56
01-06-2013, 10:59 PM
Indy purged a ton this past offseason. Worked pretty well for them.

Indy is an anomaly which benefitted from one of the easiest schedules in football and had a ridiculous record in games decided by < 7 points. Statistically, they were not a good football team and they're likely to regress to the mean next year.

Besides, why should we use the Colts as a model of success when the Steelers have made 3 Super Bowls since 2005?

Every team in the league models themselves after and strives to be the Pats and/or Steelers.

I mean, the Bengals have made the playoffs in back-to-back years for the first time in 20+ years and are still waiting to win a playoff game in the same timeframe, but should the Steelers follow their team building strategies just because of a small sample size of success?

The Steelers are the gold standard and there's a reason why.

madtowndrunkard
01-06-2013, 11:12 PM
Indy is an anomaly which benefitted from one of the easiest schedules in football and had a ridiculous record in games decided by < 7 points. Statistically, they were not a good football team and they're likely to regress to the mean next year.

Besides, why should we use the Colts as a model of success when the Steelers have made 3 Super Bowls since 2005?

Every team in the league models themselves after and strives to be the Pats and/or Steelers.

I mean, the Bengals have made the playoffs in back-to-back years for the first time in 20+ years and are still waiting to win a playoff game in the same timeframe, but should the Steelers follow their team building strategies just because of a small sample size of success?

The Steelers are the gold standard and there's a reason why.

They sure did... so you are saying we should cut Ben? Heck....lets really rebuild... fire Ben... Fire all those Old dudes on that #1 ranked defense... lets start all over... and maybe we to can get our asses kicked in our first playoff game.

madtowndrunkard
01-06-2013, 11:24 PM
Few teams dump everything and rebuild in today's NFL... this isn't MLB. Unless you are coming in with new coaches... a new QB... and you are trying to turn around a failing franchise.. you don't need to take 2 steps backwards to allow your self to move forward.

We've got a QB that can win SB's... we've got one of the best defense in the NFL... which BTW did it with half a season of Troy....and an injured James Harrison and Lamar Woodley. IMO the 3 most important positions in the 3-4.... your OLB's and SS... ALL either out or not at full strength.

Think of all the great players we lost due to age or free agency over the years... yet we still managed to play at a higher level then most teams. Now because you think Casey Hampton and Larry Foote are too old we need to dump everything? Because a one trick pony WR w/ questionable hands might leave via FA......because Heath Miller blew out his knee....it's time to clean house? lol Maybe you need to remind your self of a guys named Rod Woodson, Bettis, Ward, Lloyd, Lake, Greene, Porter, etc etc... It's the steeler way... we lose guys... we re-stock them. Every draft we come away with 1 or 2 future starters... some guys might just be ready to step in and play. Some guys just might not be as finished as you think.

In today's NFL players restructure contracts... you lose a couple guys... you plug in a couple guys.... until the Rooney's sell the team I'm not going to suggest we throw in our cards and have a "rebuilding" year. The cap is different now... teams managed their cap differently now. The only teams I ever see "rebuilding" are the bad teams... the bad franchises.

NSMaster56
01-06-2013, 11:32 PM
They sure did... so you are saying we should cut Ben? Heck....lets really rebuild... fire Ben... Fire all those Old dudes on that #1 ranked defense... lets start all over... and maybe we to can get our asses kicked in our first playoff game.

What?

Did you read my post?

Your moniker may be drunkard, but surely you didn't terribly misinterpret my post as 'bashing' did you?

I was saying the Steelers don't need to change a single thing.

madtowndrunkard
01-06-2013, 11:38 PM
What?

Did you read my post?

Your moniker may be drunkard, but surely you didn't terribly misinterpret my post as 'bashing' did you?

I was saying the Steelers don't need to change a single thing.

I quoted the wrong post... my bad

NSMaster56
01-06-2013, 11:53 PM
I quoted the wrong post... my bad

*phew*

No biggie then. Thanks for the clarification.

SteelersCanada
01-07-2013, 12:05 AM
We don't need to purge anything. We need an infusion of youth, and probably an updated defensive scheme.

Also, cutting Woodley? Not only would this actually hurt us in terms of the cap, but it's also one of the dumber things we could do.

Terminator
01-07-2013, 07:54 AM
We don't need to purge anything. We need an infusion of youth, and probably an updated defensive scheme.

Also, cutting Woodley? Not only would this actually hurt us in terms of the cap, but it's also one of the dumber things we could do.

I wouldn't cut Woodley, but someone needs to beat his ass into the gym. He looked like a fat slob all season.

JeromeBetties63
01-07-2013, 08:47 AM
The desire to see Dick Lebeau go is unbelievably stupid. Get a clue people.

wwhickok
01-07-2013, 09:06 AM
First of all 7 of our 11 starters on defense are over 30. Don't be shocked if Hamtpon retires, Foote isn't resigned, and Harrison is cut to save money. Having said that we are not in rebuilding mode. I do think that in Worilds and Sylvester all we have is a future cut casualty. But I also believe an 8-8owner season is admirable given the # of injuries we have had this season. I will be honest I think thr time has come for the Steelers to consider the 4-3. Having said that D. Lebeau has earned the right to retire when he wishes. Don't be shocked if it is this offfseason, though I expect next offseason to be more realistic. As far as Wallace is concerned I'm not so sure I want to see him back, he is extremely selfish. If you are going to fire anyone on the staff it should be Todd Haley. With as many opportunities that we had handed to us vs Cincy there is no way we should have lost. Mendenhall will most likely be cut and Redman and Dwyer will stay pretty cheap. Don't be surprised to see LB/S be our top pick followed by a WR or RB. If youre really going to rid of someone though we need an improved training staff. Injuries have killed is for a long time. On offense we are pretty young. Defensive we have to have a flawless draft. Want leadership? Find a way to trade up and get Manti Te'o he is a born leader. If Alameda Ta'amu doesn't pan out, we also need a new NT.

madtowndrunkard
01-07-2013, 10:02 AM
First of all 7 of our 11 starters on defense are over 30. Don't be shocked if Hamtpon retires, Foote isn't resigned, and Harrison is cut to save money. Having said that we are not in rebuilding mode. I do think that in Worilds and Sylvester all we have is a future cut casualty. But I also believe an 8-8owner season is admirable given the # of injuries we have had this season. I will be honest I think thr time has come for the Steelers to consider the 4-3. Having said that D. Lebeau has earned the right to retire when he wishes. Don't be shocked if it is this offfseason, though I expect next offseason to be more realistic. As far as Wallace is concerned I'm not so sure I want to see him back, he is extremely selfish. If you are going to fire anyone on the staff it should be Todd Haley. With as many opportunities that we had handed to us vs Cincy there is no way we should have lost. Mendenhall will most likely be cut and Redman and Dwyer will stay pretty cheap. Don't be surprised to see LB/S be our top pick followed by a WR or RB. If youre really going to rid of someone though we need an improved training staff. Injuries have killed is for a long time. On offense we are pretty young. Defensive we have to have a flawless draft. Want leadership? Find a way to trade up and get Manti Te'o he is a born leader. If Alameda Ta'amu doesn't pan out, we also need a new NT.

I realize saying a player is over 30 means he's no longer useful in the NFL and is the "popular" thing to say... IT's just not true. Some of them are expensive...but it's because they are good. Who do we truly need to replace next year on defense?

I'd say only 2 players at most.

Larry Foote? He's not exactly a game changer. I think we can deal with this loss. Not to mention we do have Sylvester ready to take his place...and a draft.

Casey Hampton? Dude is still playing at a high level. Would he sign a bargain contract to retire a steeler? If not...we've got McClendon, TaAmu, and a draft.

James Harrison? Still playing at a very high level. Can we survive him leaving? Probably...but I think a restructure would make the most sense. While he didn't have the sacks we are used to seeing, he was till a monster on run defense. IF we let Hampton go...then I think we should try to restructure Harrison.

Brett Keisel? Another older player that is playing at an extremely high level....and IMO he's a bargain for what we are paying him. If we have to... cut him, only because we have a solid player behind him...but if I'm the GM... I try to keep keisel. Maybe cut him and restructure a cheaper contract?

Troy P? When healthy arguably the best Safety in the game... He started to look like him self near the end of the season. A good candidate to restructure.

Woodley? Should be hitting his prime years....My guess is Woodley was hurt most of the season... he did not look him self.... He could be a cap casualty.... Not a guy I'd restructure not knowing if he'll rebound next year. WIth the 2nd highest cap hit on the team...and a solid backup behind him... It wouldn't shock me to see him cut. Or we keep him and hope for a rebound?

Timmons - In his prime years... a restructure is a possibility.

Ike Taylor - still playing at a high level... not a huge cap hit...but still expensive. Would you cut Taylor to keep Lewis? I think with restructuring others we will be fine and could potentially keep Lewis.

steelfury02
01-07-2013, 10:20 AM
Indy is an anomaly which benefitted from one of the easiest schedules in football and had a ridiculous record in games decided by < 7 points. Statistically, they were not a good football team and they're likely to regress to the mean next year.

Besides, why should we use the Colts as a model of success when the Steelers have made 3 Super Bowls since 2005?

Every team in the league models themselves after and strives to be the Pats and/or Steelers.

I mean, the Bengals have made the playoffs in back-to-back years for the first time in 20+ years and are still waiting to win a playoff game in the same timeframe, but should the Steelers follow their team building strategies just because of a small sample size of success?

The Steelers are the gold standard and there's a reason why.

Who knows, for as much as people are hooraying Belicheat's and the Patriot organizations way of doing things - turning nobodys into big time weapons on Brady's offense - they may be trying to low-ball too much on talent, whereas some would say we are overpaying old guys. We've won 2 out of 3 SBs more recently, in comparison to Brady and co going O for 2, with the last one being with a completely different team with a better run game and much better defense - something people are criticizing some Steelers fans for still wanting and that these fans are "not with it"

The next 2 to 3 seasons will be very telling of who was more with it over the past 15 seasons IMO

Hawaii 5-0
01-08-2013, 11:39 PM
Contract situations

by Dale Lolley
MONDAY, JANUARY 07, 2013

With the Steelers roughly 13 or so million dollars over next year's salary cap of $120 or so million, they will have some juggling to do to get under the cap and still be able to resign potential free agents, offer tenders to their restricted and exclusive rights free agents and sign their rookie class.

Here are the top 10 salaries headed into next year:

Cap Number

Ben Roethlisberger $19.6
LaMarr Woodley $13.2
Lawrence Timmons $11.16
Troy Polamalu $10.1
James Harrison $10.03
Ike Taylor $9.45
Heath Miller $7.95
Willie Colon $7.65
Antonio Brown $6.2
Ryan Clark $4.75

As you can see, the top of the pay scale tips heavily toward the defense - particularly in favor of the linebackers. That group of 10 players also accounts for roughly $100 million of the team's salary cap for 2013, leaving just $20 million to fill out the rest of the roster.

Now, there is some wiggle room there, such as turning base salary into signing bonus - something the Steelers have done quite a bit of in the past. The only problem with that is you have to be sure the player is going to be part of your plans in future seasons because it increases their cap hit down the road.

For example, a simple restructure for Roethlisberger would make sense, since you could turn his base salary into bonus money and save $7.1 million.

For a player such as Harrison, however, the savings would only be $2.8 million. And with Harrison at 35, that's probably not the way to go.

Just doing a simple restructure on all of their top 10 contracts - at least the ones they would be able to do so with - and the Steelers could create nearly $36 million in cap space.

But, that includes restructuring Harrison, Polamalu and Taylor - Clark can't be done since he is only signed through next season.

Take those three out of the equation, and you're looking at $27.2 million in savings, plenty enough wiggle room to do everything they need in the offseason without releasing any veterans.

http://nflfromthesidelines.blogspot.com/2013/01/contract-situations.html

desertsteel
01-09-2013, 12:46 AM
How could anyone have faith in our FO? What has this organization accomplished???

Goldsteel86
01-09-2013, 09:06 AM
Good Night, the sky is falling, the sky is falling, I think the big factor to take a look at is the Steelers had several key injuries this year. From Ben, Brown, Sanders, Wallace, Heath, DeCastro, Polamalu, Ike, Keenan Lewis, etc.... I agree get the young guys some playing time but to totally clean house, that would be foolish. Look at some re-structuring of contracts and enhance upon what you have. The Steelers pick 17th overall, the possibility exists they could trade up to get the Best Player Available like a Man'tai Teo to help this defense. Keep in mind Sean Spence comes back next year, he will need a little guidance, Polamalu healthy is a significant plus and Ben learning more about the Haley offense only leads to better things in 2013, don't sell the farm just yet!

Fire Haley
01-09-2013, 09:54 AM
Indy purged a ton this past offseason. Worked pretty well for them.

Indy still has $40M to spend next year - so do the Bengals and Browns - we don't, we are deep in the hole.



2013 Cap Space

The "haves'' are in good shape. The "have nots'' have to be creative. Thanks to the carryover, there is $350.7 million of cap room in 2013, but $200.3 million of carryover is part of that.

Eight teams, though, account for 79 percent million of total room.

The Cincinnati Bengals saved $8.5 million of cap room in 2012 and made the playoffs for the second consecutive year. They have $55.1 million of room.

The Cleveland Browns saved $14.3 million of room in 2012 and now have $48.9 million.

After being tight against the cap in 2012, the Indianapolis Colts now have $46 million of room.


The Miami Dolphins have $35.8 million, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers $31.3 million, the Jacksonville Jaguars $22.1 million, the Buffalo Bills $20.6 million and the Tennessee Titans $19.4 million.

On the negative side, the New York Jets are $19.4 million over the cap. The Dallas Cowboys are $18.2 million over, the New Orleans Saints $14.7 million over and the Carolina Panthers $11.8 million over. The Steelers are $10.8M over.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/8822266/nfl-mailbag-carryover-rules-impact-cap-strategy

steeltheone
01-09-2013, 11:36 AM
It's obvious that the higher paid players are older stars. The key to the cap is cutting ties with the the older players before or during their decline and replace them with younger, cheaper rising starters with the potential to be stars or productive players. We have not been able to replace players as we have in the past.

Harrison is at the point of decline. He can be productive but not near 10 mill productive. We also are paying 2 othe linebackers big dollar. I would love to have Harrison back but at much, much less.


Hampton is not a high level player anymore. Productive at times but not worth big bucks. Taamu is an idiot and I wish he was cut outright. Even if he does play he might be serving jail time. That's makes Hampton much more valuable to the Steelers.

I'm not sure how people say Keisel is playing at a " high level" his stats are equal to Ziggy but at 4x the money. Heyward will be on year 3. He needs to play!

Foote is a cheap reliable guy. We have no idea what Spence or Sylvester ( if he is here) can do full time.

Steeler7BR
01-09-2013, 12:30 PM
It's obvious that the higher paid players are older stars. The key to the cap is cutting ties with the the older players before or during their decline and replace them with younger, cheaper rising starters with the potential to be stars or productive players. We have not been able to replace players as we have in the past.

Harrison is at the point of decline. He can be productive but not near 10 mill productive. We also are paying 2 othe linebackers big dollar. I would love to have Harrison back but at much, much less.


Hampton is not a high level player anymore. Productive at times but not worth big bucks. Taamu is an idiot and I wish he was cut outright. Even if he does play he might be serving jail time. That's makes Hampton much more valuable to the Steelers.

I'm not sure how people say Keisel is playing at a " high level" his stats are equal to Ziggy but at 4x the money. Heyward will be on year 3. He needs to play!

Foote is a cheap reliable guy. We have no idea what Spence or Sylvester ( if he is here) can do full time.

If we restructure Harrison's Deal the Cap Hit is only 5 mil. Is he worth that? Absolutly if he comes back injury free next year. I think even this year he was worth 5 mil. even though he wasn't at a 100 all year, He has contract left till 2014. Perfect length he has gas in the tank the next 2 years in my eyes. And then maybe it's time to think of retirement.

You're right we have to look at the future and we can do that with our picks this and next year.

With the other ones I kind of agree. Maybe not so much on Foote. I think we have to go without him in the future.

maddog78
01-09-2013, 12:41 PM
Larry Foote? He's not exactly a game changer. I think we can deal with this loss. Not to mention we do have Sylvester ready to take his place...and a draft.

Agreed. If we can't live without Larry Foote, the FO has failed miserably.


Casey Hampton? Dude is still playing at a high level. Would he sign a bargain contract to retire a steeler? If not...we've got McClendon, TaAmu, and a draft.

High level? Don't see it. Even after he was back from the knee, he isn't close to what he was in his prime. If he can be had very cheap, I'd keep him.


James Harrison? Still playing at a very high level. Can we survive him leaving? Probably...but I think a restructure would make the most sense. While he didn't have the sacks we are used to seeing, he was till a monster on run defense. IF we let Hampton go...then I think we should try to restructure Harrison.

I think he was about 70% of his former self, max. If he can get back to 100%, I'd try to get him to reduce his cap hit by restructuring.


Brett Keisel? Another older player that is playing at an extremely high level....and IMO he's a bargain for what we are paying him. If we have to... cut him, only because we have a solid player behind him...but if I'm the GM... I try to keep keisel. Maybe cut him and restructure a cheaper contract?


I wouldn't say he played at an "extremely high level". I'd rather see Heyward get a shot to prove if he can play or not before his contract is up. If Keis won't restructure his $4.5M cap hit, I'd let him walk.


Troy P? When healthy arguably the best Safety in the game... He started to look like him self near the end of the season. A good candidate to restructure.

Agreed.


Woodley? Should be hitting his prime years....My guess is Woodley was hurt most of the season... he did not look him self.... He could be a cap casualty.... Not a guy I'd restructure not knowing if he'll rebound next year. WIth the 2nd highest cap hit on the team...and a solid backup behind him... It wouldn't shock me to see him cut. Or we keep him and hope for a rebound?

No way they cut him, but he needs to learn how to better condition himself.


Timmons - In his prime years... a restructure is a possibility.


Agreed.


Ike Taylor - still playing at a high level... not a huge cap hit...but still expensive. Would you cut Taylor to keep Lewis? I think with restructuring others we will be fine and could potentially keep Lewis.

If it comes down to Ike or Keenan, I go with the guy who is younger and I believe, better.