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Gnutella
01-12-2013, 07:49 PM
He must not be a cerebral QB. :wave:

Ricco Suavez
01-12-2013, 07:54 PM
He has never shown in the playoffs, and really other than the Ravens getting gifts all night, I could care less.

wwhickok
01-12-2013, 07:57 PM
Let's be honest. The ENTIRE game was riddled by the refs NOT flagging the Ravens and flagging Denver to keep the Ravens in the game. Baltimore should never have gotten the opportunity to get into OT.

Outside of the rest of the AFC North, I absolutely hate the Patriots. Was hoping to see them have to go to Denver.

SteelersCanada
01-12-2013, 07:58 PM
But he puts up amazing regular season stats!

9-11 in the postseason.

Gnutella
01-12-2013, 08:00 PM
The Broncos offense only scored 21 points. The other 14 points came from their special teams. Don't a bunch of us shit all over the Steelers offense when they only score 21 points? And doesn't this kind of reinforce what I've been saying that TDs by means other than the passing game are critical? The Ravens offense outplayed the Broncos offense. The Broncos special teams was the only reason the game even went to overtime.

By the way, if the Packers beat the 49ers, they've already gotten at least seven points from their defense.

Ricco Suavez
01-12-2013, 08:01 PM
Gawd I have to agree the refs screwed the Broncos every time they had a chance to break it open. Then the Safety let a dying duck go for a TD in the waning moments of the game.

Atlanta Dan
01-12-2013, 08:02 PM
But he puts up amazing regular season stats!

9-11 in the postseason.

The Mr. October of the NFL - unfortunately the games that really matter are played in January and February

wwhickok
01-12-2013, 08:03 PM
Manning is also now 0-4 in games under 40 degrees I believe.

Gnutella
01-12-2013, 08:03 PM
The refs didn't screw anybody. The Broncos screwed themselves by only scoring 21 points on offense.

BLACK_AND_YELLOW
01-12-2013, 08:07 PM
hahaha I told "Millers the sh!t" that Peyton wasn't worth a damn when it comes to the playoffs...Big Ben > Peyton

GMU Steeler
01-12-2013, 08:07 PM
The refs didn't screw anybody. The Broncos screwed themselves by only scoring 21 points on offense.

Not to mention the defense. We'd be calling for LeBeau's head if he let a team go down the field like that with 0 timeouts and a minute to play. That was unreal.

GoFor7
01-12-2013, 08:08 PM
Not to mention the defense. We'd be calling for LeBeau's head if he let a team go down the field like that with 0 timeouts and a minute to play. That was unreal.

No actually yinzer nation would find a way to blame Ben for that.

Gnutella
01-12-2013, 08:09 PM
No actually yinzer nation would find a way to blame Ben for that.

Yes, there are Steeler fans, and then there are Yinzers. There is a difference.

wwhickok
01-12-2013, 08:10 PM
Im not necessarily saying they screwed anyone. But the lack of offensive pass interference calls against Baltimore was a bit questionable, there were two that come to mind, one on a Torrey Smith TD. Then there was the pass interference called against Bailey late in the game that was absolutley bogus. Im hoping Houston wins tomorrow. But hey, whatever, the Steelers are out so I could care less who wins the SB. If the Ravens make it i wont even watch it. Last time they went it was a snooze-fest.
Q

teegre
01-12-2013, 08:12 PM
. Then the Safety let a dying duck go for a TD in the waning moments of the game.

If the safety tackles Jones in bounds, with 30 seconds left, and the O-line having to run 50 yards downfield... they likely spike the ball with 12 seconds left... leaving just two pass plays.

By going for the INT, the safety lost the game.

You HAVE to know the situation. You tackle the WR hard & keep him in bounds. So stupid.

GoFor7
01-12-2013, 08:14 PM
Anyone remember the 3rd down play at the end of regulation? Denver gets a first down and they can kneel on it. Instead of trusting their franchise QB, they call a RUTM for no gain.

What's Artie doing in Denver? :chuckle:

ZoneBlitzer
01-12-2013, 08:14 PM
As amazing as a QB Peyton is, he just plain average in the post season - worse than average you might say.

Still having watched that game I have to say he did all that you can ask of the guy. What the hell was the Broncos D doing giving up that TD to Jacoby Jones with 30 seconds left to play???

That was god awful secondary play. I would consider cutting that safety and firing the coordinator just on that one play alone.

With Peyton's INT late, it just goes to show that the vets get greedy and that they think they can make all the throws until catches up to them and bites them in the ass.

I was cheering for the Broncos but I have to tip my hat to the Ravens. They didn't blink and hung in there for an incredible win.

My prediction, Ravens will win the SB.

Quackjack
01-12-2013, 08:19 PM
My prediction, Ravens will win the SB.

:mad:

You better run

VictoryFormation
01-12-2013, 08:20 PM
Hurry! Hurry! Japan! Japan! Check! Check! Sally19! 19Sally! 19Sally! Purple! Purple! Boo the Ravens! Boo the Ravens! Opposites! Opposites!
PURRRRPLE!!... BOO THE RAVEEEENS!!!

Quackjack
01-12-2013, 08:20 PM
Yes, there are Steeler fans, and then there are Yinzers. There is a difference.

Yup. I am a Steelers fan forever, but I despise the Penguins. Blame the local Caps fans ok?

steelcity1974
01-12-2013, 08:20 PM
Major debacle. Blame who you want. No way the broncos should have lost that game.

GoFor7
01-12-2013, 08:21 PM
Yup. I am a Steelers fan forever, but I despise the Penguins. Blame the local Caps fans ok?

Ovechkin is a bitch. Crosby shits all over him.

Gnutella
01-12-2013, 08:26 PM
Yup. I am a Steelers fan forever, but I despise the Penguins. Blame the local Caps fans ok?

You missed my point. Yinzers are the ones who made Terry Bradshaw and Kordell Stewart feel unwelcome in Pittsburgh. It has nothing to do with being a fan of more than one Pittsburgh sports team.

Quackjack
01-12-2013, 08:36 PM
Ovechkin is a bitch. Crosby shits all over him.

Psh. Iginla > Crosby.

Completely biased Flames fan.

DanRooney
01-12-2013, 08:38 PM
The Harbaugh's are awesome coaches.

ZoneBlitzer
01-12-2013, 08:43 PM
The Harbaugh's are awesome coaches.

They're doing well that's for sure.

BrandonCarr39
01-12-2013, 08:53 PM
Well, we've seen this before - WC team that gets hot out of nowhere, and at the right time ends up you know what...

And it seems like having a bye in the playoffs is no guarantee anymore - for years and years, 80% of the bye teams not only win but win by double digits. Now? Nope, seems like at least 2 of the byes each year go down.

PATS16N0
01-12-2013, 09:08 PM
Only Kool-aid drinkers thought Denver was going to do something. They hadn't played a single decent opponent since New England thrashed them.

Peyton sucks in the play offs.

This is his 8th one and done, and he joins the record holders today as the quarterback with the most post season loses, ironically, on the same weekend Brady may surpass Montana for post season wins.

Can't wait to see the Peyton Pity Parade on ESPN this week. Getting tiny violin ready.

desertsteel
01-12-2013, 09:11 PM
Can't get much worse than another Ravens-Patriots championship! Ughh.

But of course I'll be pulling for the Patriots if they make it, as bad as I hate them it does not equal my hate for the Ravens.

The silver lining of the ratbirds winning is seeing them get their heart broken again in the AFC championship! lolol

desertsteel
01-12-2013, 09:13 PM
Can't wait to see the Peyton Pity Parade on ESPN this week. Getting tiny violin ready.

The only one tinier will be Brady's when he loses another super bowl.

ZoneBlitzer
01-12-2013, 09:19 PM
Only Kool-aid drinkers thought Denver was going to do something. They hadn't played a single decent opponent since New England thrashed them.

Peyton sucks in the play offs.

This is his 8th one and done, and he joins the record holders today as the quarterback with the most post season loses, ironically, on the same weekend Brady may surpass Montana for post season wins.

Can't wait to see the Peyton Pity Parade on ESPN this week. Getting tiny violin ready.

He is Mr. One and done, but today he put his team in a position to win. But somehow they miraculously blew it with some of the worst defensive coverage I've seen in the final seconds of the game. The guy is great, but he needs help. He needs a strong running game and a dominant D. Their D was awful today. They were shredded to bits and Flacco had all day to throw.

Atlanta Dan
01-12-2013, 10:37 PM
Can't get much worse than another Ravens-Patriots championship! Ughh.

Wanna bet? Ponder the possibility of a Harbaugh versus Harbaugh Super Bowl

TRH
01-13-2013, 07:50 AM
I was watching the game and as soon as he threw it, i said "game, set, match - you're the goat - you just blew the season for Denver, Peyton..."
That was a horrible throw, horrible decision. If Ben threw that, Steeler fans would be calling for him to be hanged this morning.
However, since its Peyton, i'm hearing a ton of "sports apologists" this morning on the networks.

I like Peyton and he also seems to be a good guy - but is there any more over-rated QB's in the history of the NFL than the Manning brothers??? Really?

plenewken
01-13-2013, 08:36 AM
The Broncos secondary was absolutely atrocious and if their ST doesn't score 2 TDs, the Broncos would have been slaughtered by the Ravens.

torpedoshell31
01-13-2013, 09:29 AM
When Peyton decided to join the Broncos last year, I was surprised because he has never been a cold weather QB, having played in a dome his whole career. It's ironic that the last Bronco QB to win a playoff game is still Tim Tebow.

Kanata-Steeler
01-13-2013, 09:41 AM
Only Kool-aid drinkers thought Denver was going to do something. They hadn't played a single decent opponent since New England thrashed them.

Peyton sucks in the play offs.

This is his 8th one and done, and he joins the record holders today as the quarterback with the most post season loses, ironically, on the same weekend Brady may surpass Montana for post season wins.

Can't wait to see the Peyton Pity Parade on ESPN this week. Getting tiny violin ready.

Drink much kool-aid ? Ha ha, and just last week, you were pineing away, changing your mind between wanting your Pats to play the Broncos, or Ravens. ?
LoL - u would have said, the exact same think about the Ravens, had Broncos won.
Bronco's defense was nuthin'' but "Swiss Cheese".
Manning can atleast put up Offensive points, but with a "D" like Broncos had, it wouldn't have mattered.
Peyton threw the game-losing INT, and we all know how that feels too.

ZoneBlitzer
01-13-2013, 10:36 AM
The Broncos secondary was absolutely atrocious and if their ST doesn't score 2 TDs, the Broncos would have been slaughtered by the Ravens.

I know! What happened to their defense??? I actually liked their D until yesterday. I thought they had a good pass rush but they were nowhere and I mean nowhere to be found. It's like they fell off a cliff.

ZoneBlitzer
01-13-2013, 10:39 AM
I was watching the game and as soon as he threw it, i said "game, set, match - you're the goat - you just blew the season for Denver, Peyton..."
That was a horrible throw, horrible decision. If Ben threw that, Steeler fans would be calling for him to be hanged this morning.
However, since its Peyton, i'm hearing a ton of "sports apologists" this morning on the networks.

I like Peyton and he also seems to be a good guy - but is there any more over-rated QB's in the history of the NFL than the Manning brothers??? Really?

I could see it coming too. He had a rusher right in his face and I was just saying no, just get rid of it, no, no and fuck. There goes the ball game.

BowCatShot
01-13-2013, 12:15 PM
Not only the officials but what was up with Dierdorff(sp) and Gumball I think it was gushing and slobbering all over the Ravens? When the Broncos did something well those two sounded as if their own mothers had just died. What WAS up with that?

TRH
01-13-2013, 12:39 PM
Not only the officials but what was up with Dierdorff(sp) and Gumball I think it was gushing and slobbering all over the Ravens? When the Broncos did something well those two sounded as if their own mothers had just died. What WAS up with that?


Thats what Dierdorf does.
NO ONE employed by the NFL, any of the networks, or anyone associated with the league annoys me more than Dierdorf does. He's the sports ultimate apologist.
He NEVER points out mistakes or goats or dishes out blame. It's "always someone else's fault" and everyone and everyone who has ever played the sport for even one play in an NFL uniform is a god amongst men.
I really, really hate Diedorf.
Thats why l love listening to guys like Jon Grude and Cris Collinsworth. They'll get on guys, point out mistakes, dish criticism where its justified, and call it as they see it.

PATS16N0
01-13-2013, 02:39 PM
Drink much kool-aid ? Ha ha, and just last week, you were pineing away, changing your mind between wanting your Pats to play the Broncos, or Ravens. ?
LoL - u would have said, the exact same think about the Ravens, had Broncos won.
Bronco's defense was nuthin'' but "Swiss Cheese".
Manning can atleast put up Offensive points, but with a "D" like Broncos had, it wouldn't have mattered.
Peyton threw the game-losing INT, and we all know how that feels too.

Wrong. I have been preaching that Baltimore would win and that Peyton would go one and done in the post season for a long, long time. They played nobodies all season and ESPN got on the Peyton parade like fools.

Peyton now has more one and dones than any other quarterback in NFL history.
That's EIGHT seasons of beating up on the AFC South (expansion team division) and now the AFC West (lol) and then showing how feeble you really are against real teams.

Peyton is no stranger to Patriot fans. We know him better than anyone, apparently.

Brady > Peyton.

PATS16N0
01-13-2013, 02:41 PM
I know! What happened to their defense??? I actually liked their D until yesterday. I thought they had a good pass rush but they were nowhere and I mean nowhere to be found. It's like they fell off a cliff.

What "happened to their defense" is their #2 defense doesn't mean jack in the post season when stats to give you the "#2 defense" were built on teams like the Chiefs, Chargers, and Raiders.

What happened was their whole team, including their quarterback, were wildly overrated by talking heads on ESPN.

Without 2 special teams touchdowns the Broncos aren't even in that game

Quackjack
01-13-2013, 03:24 PM
Brady > Peyton.

True.

BleedPurple
01-13-2013, 05:11 PM
Im not necessarily saying they screwed anyone. But the lack of offensive pass interference calls against Baltimore was a bit questionable, there were two that come to mind, one on a Torrey Smith TD. Then there was the pass interference called against Bailey late in the game that was absolutley bogus. Im hoping Houston wins tomorrow. But hey, whatever, the Steelers are out so I could care less who wins the SB. If the Ravens make it i wont even watch it. Last time they went it was a snooze-fest.
Q

If by snooze-fest you mean lopsided blowout by one of the best single season defenses ever, it sure was.

BleedPurple
01-13-2013, 05:14 PM
Wrong. I have been preaching that Baltimore would win and that Peyton would go one and done in the post season for a long, long time. They played nobodies all season and ESPN got on the Peyton parade like fools.

Peyton now has more one and dones than any other quarterback in NFL history.
That's EIGHT seasons of beating up on the AFC South (expansion team division) and now the AFC West (lol) and then showing how feeble you really are against real teams.

Peyton is no stranger to Patriot fans. We know him better than anyone, apparently.

Brady > Peyton.

Meanwhile the Pats are competing against power houses like Miami, Buffalo and the Jets, led by Mark Sanchez. Seriously when it comes to division competition you have no room to talk.

PATS16N0
01-13-2013, 05:19 PM
Meanwhile the Pats are competing against power houses like Miami, Buffalo and the Jets, led by Mark Sanchez. Seriously when it comes to division competition you have no room to talk.

Wrong.

The Jets are a top defense. They are every season. A top 5 defense this season despite losing their best defensive player, and they're a division rival at that.

Say what you want about Jets dysfunction and their offense this season, but the Jets are not the Chargers. Their defense brought them to two back to back AFC Championship games, lest you forget.

harrison'samonster
01-13-2013, 05:23 PM
I'll say one thing about our division, we all give each other our best games. As far as the Patriots go, their rivals give them their best, but in my opinion, the talent level is a bit lower.

PATS16N0
01-13-2013, 05:29 PM
I'll say one thing about our division, we all give each other our best games. As far as the Patriots go, their rivals give them their best, but in my opinion, the talent level is a bit lower.

At least give me the Jets lol.

Even this year with them being the butt fumble team, they still managed a strong defense even with Revis gone.

BleedPurple
01-13-2013, 05:31 PM
Wrong.

The Jets are a top defense. They are every season. A top 5 defense this season despite losing their best defensive player, and they're a division rival at that.

Say what you want about Jets dysfunction and their offense this season, but the Jets are not the Chargers. Their defense brought them to two back to back AFC Championship games, lest you forget.

You are defending the Jests right now. 20th in pts/g, who face the lame ass Bills and Dolphins, inflating their yds/game number to 8th. That is not a top defense.

Don't get me wrong, the pats are a great team, I expect the Ravens to play you again this year in AFCCG, not disrespecting the Pats.

But there is no defending the garbage division you play in, even if you could make a case for the Jests.

EDIT: since you asked I will spot you New York.

PATS16N0
01-13-2013, 05:38 PM
You are defending the Jests right now. 20th in pts/g, who face the lame ass Bills and Dolphins, inflating their yds/game number to 8th. That is not a top defense.

Don't get me wrong, the pats are a great team, I expect the Ravens to play you again this year in AFCCG, not disrespecting the Pats.

But there is no defending the garbage division you play in, even if you could make a case for the Jests.

EDIT: since you asked I will spot you New York.

Great :)

To be honest, I want a Tom Brady v Ray Lewis AFC Championship game rematch.
My hatred for Baltimore softened completely for the season when Ray Lewis announced his retirement. If we defeat the Texans and lose to Baltimore, i'll be more ok with it than normally.

If we win, I think Tom Brady being Ray Lewis last AFC offensive opponent is a fitting end for him.

BleedPurple
01-13-2013, 06:20 PM
Great :)

To be honest, I want a Tom Brady v Ray Lewis AFC Championship game rematch.
My hatred for Baltimore softened completely for the season when Ray Lewis announced his retirement. If we defeat the Texans and lose to Baltimore, i'll be more ok with it than normally.

If we win, I think Tom Brady being Ray Lewis last AFC offensive opponent is a fitting end for him.

Lewis/Luck: Greeting the rookie on his way out of the league.

Lewis/Manning: Two old goats vying for late career glory--the game was an instant classic.

Lewis/Brady: #1 AFC QB / long time rival in a should be excellent rematch.

Then if we win a Harbowl or Flacco v. Ryan passing of the torch from the D to the O...

Will be an epic run no matter where/how it ends. Good luck with the rest of the game, see you next week.

TRH
01-13-2013, 06:28 PM
Ravens fans needn't worry. The Patriots are going to give them the thumping of their life. Goddamnit - its going to be Patriots in yet another SB............

harrison'samonster
01-13-2013, 06:44 PM
Ravens fans needn't worry. The Patriots are going to give them the thumping of their life. Goddamnit - its going to be Patriots in yet another SB............

I don't know about that, it really does depend on how Flacco can do in Foxboro. I'll be honest, I don't think he's much of a QB, but if he can at leat go in there and give the Patriots a tough game it will do a lot to change my opinion of him.

Ravens D might have what it takes to keep it close.

BleedPurple
01-13-2013, 06:46 PM
Ravens fans needn't worry. The Patriots are going to give them the thumping of their life. Goddamnit - its going to be Patriots in yet another SB............

Well, that is what everyone said last year, and I wouldn't call that game a thumping by any stretch.

EDIT: . . . fucking Lee Evans.

PATS16N0
01-13-2013, 06:52 PM
Gronkowski is out for the year.

That really sucks. I was hoping for his pass protection in a potential Patriots / 9'ers Superbowl...

Two years in a row we get an injured Gronk for the big show.

WVABE
01-13-2013, 07:59 PM
You don't need Gronk, stop Rice and its an easy win.

BrandonCarr39
01-13-2013, 08:37 PM
You don't need Gronk, stop Rice and its an easy win.

It's easier said than done - Bolden and Smith aren't slouches either.

zcoop
01-13-2013, 08:46 PM
Gronkowski is out for the year.

That really sucks. I was hoping for his pass protection in a potential Patriots / 9'ers Superbowl...

Two years in a row we get an injured Gronk for the big show.

Karma's a bitch ain't it?

PATS16N0
01-13-2013, 08:50 PM
Karma for what? Playing 60 minutes of football?

Patriots have one speed. Go.

zcoop
01-13-2013, 09:14 PM
Karma for what? Playing 60 minutes of football?

Patriots have one speed. Go.

Karma for cheating to win SBs. You're reaping what you sowed. Haven't won one since you got caught, have you?

PATS16N0
01-13-2013, 10:04 PM
Karma for cheating to win SBs. You're reaping what you sowed. Haven't won one since you got caught, have you?

You never "caught us" cheating in Superbowls.
That's because we weren't "cheating" in Superbowls.

We were found to be "in violation of league rules" by video-taping a Jets practice.
How you correlate that with "cheating" to win three Superbowls I have no idea, but it's quite the leap with about one hundred dots completely unconnected. EVERY team in the NFL was told THAT year they could no longer do that, meaning EVERY team was doing it, which has been validated by the remarks of Jimmy Johnson, Bill Cowher, and many others.

Everyone was doing it. It was an NFL formality.

Are you honestly saying the Patriots video-tapes practices, which gave them inside knowledge of every play an opponent was going to call, which they then used, on the spot, to call the precise counter-play, which every player knew, and they did this play after play after play after play?

Sounds a little ridiculous when you think it through, eh?

The Patriots won three Superbowls by being the best team, at the best times, in the National Football League. Period.

charlesk
01-13-2013, 10:31 PM
I tend to agree with you bro. Not a big Pats fan of course but I hate the jerks that think their superbowls should be taken away or asteriks inserted in the books. I think it was in poor taste and showed a lack of class (like belching out loud in church) but I don't think it really hurt anyone (much like belching in church). People are envious of the Pats success. From a purely objective point of view it is fun to see other teams win (I am not objective though; I am a Ravens fan). Hope the Ravens can put an end to the Pats success next week. Was at the game in Denver but can't make to the one in MA. Peace out.


You never "caught us" cheating in Superbowls.
That's because we weren't "cheating" in Superbowls.

We were found to be "in violation of league rules" by video-taping a Jets practice.
How you correlate that with "cheating" to win three Superbowls I have no idea, but it's quite the leap with about one hundred dots completely unconnected. EVERY team in the NFL was told THAT year they could no longer do that, meaning EVERY team was doing it, which has been validated by the remarks of Jimmy Johnson, Bill Cowher, and many others.

Everyone was doing it. It was an NFL formality.

Are you honestly saying the Patriots video-tapes practices, which gave them inside knowledge of every play an opponent was going to call, which they then used, on the spot, to call the precise counter-play, which every player knew, and they did this play after play after play after play?

Sounds a little ridiculous when you think it through, eh?

The Patriots won three Superbowls by being the best team, at the best times, in the National Football League. Period.

PATS16N0
01-13-2013, 10:50 PM
Here's Jimmy Johnson on "Spygate"

Q: How about the spying thing Jimmy. Youíre a coach does that bother you what Belichick did?

JJ: Oh please. Iíve said it on our show. Eighteen years ago a scout for the Chiefs told me what they did, and he said what you need to do is just take your camera and you go and zoom in on the signal caller and that way you can sync it up. The problem is that if theyíre not on the press box side you canít do it from the press box, you have to do it from the sideline. This was 18 years ago.

Q: You think the NFL came down too hard on them?

JJ: No, no, I said it on the show. He was wrong for doing it for the simple reason that the league knew this was going on not just in New England but around the league. And the league sent out the memorandum to all of the teams saying you cannot do this. And so thatís when Bill Belichick was wrong. After he got the memorandum saying donít do it any more, he did it.

Q: Did you ever steal signals?

JJ: Oh in a heartbeat, yeah. Yes I did.

Q: Via video, Jimmy? Or no?

JJ: Oh yeah, I did it with video and so did a lot of other teams in the league. Just to make sure that you could study it and take your time, because youíre going to play the other team the second time around. But a lot of coaches did it, this was commonplace.

Q: But did you do it by taping the signal caller?

JJ: Yeah.

Q: Oh you did.

JJ: Thatís what Iím saying. I was saying one of Marty Schottenheimerís scouts, Mark Hatley, who has passed away now, Mark told me thatís how they did it, and Howard Mudd their offensive line coach with Kansas City, who now coaches for Tony Dungy, he was the best in the entire league at stealing signals.

Q: Whereíd you put your guy who was videotaping? Where was he?

JJ: My guy was up with my camera crew in the press box. So youíd just put an extra camera up with your camera crew in the press box who zoomed in on the signal callers. Thatís the best way to do it, but anyway you canít always do that because the press box camera crew might be on the same side as the opposing team. If theyíre on the same side as the opposing team thatís when you need to do it from the sideline.

BrandonCarr39
01-13-2013, 10:58 PM
Not taking anything away from the Pats, but Andy Reid costed the Eagles SB39 with his poor clock management. He continued to coach like this(which is why eventually the team regressed). And Mike Martz abandoned the run in SB36.

PATS16N0
01-13-2013, 11:53 PM
Not taking anything away from the Pats, but Andy Reid costed the Eagles SB39 with his poor clock management. He continued to coach like this(which is why eventually the team regressed). And Mike Martz abandoned the run in SB36.

I thought that was McNabb being an idiot?

BrandonCarr39
01-14-2013, 12:16 AM
I thought that was McNabb being an idiot?

Again, I'm not taking anything away from the Patriots SB victories, but the point I was trying to make was that there are many factors that play in why teams win or lose.

To be fair, my team(Dallas) had that infamous Herschel Walker highway robbery once upon a time ago - otherwise, Jimmy Johnson would to this day be considered an average coach, Troy Aikman just another journeyman QB, and neither of them would have any broadcasting booth jobs, much less the ones where they have it front and center.

As for winning SBs - it's easier said than done. Bud Grant went to 4 of them and came up with nothing. Bill Walsh on the contrary won every SB he coached in. It's just part of the game.

zcoop
01-14-2013, 05:30 PM
You never "caught us" cheating in Superbowls.
That's because we weren't "cheating" in Superbowls.

We were found to be "in violation of league rules" by video-taping a Jets practice.
How you correlate that with "cheating" to win three Superbowls I have no idea, but it's quite the leap with about one hundred dots completely unconnected. EVERY team in the NFL was told THAT year they could no longer do that, meaning EVERY team was doing it, which has been validated by the remarks of Jimmy Johnson, Bill Cowher, and many others.

Everyone was doing it. It was an NFL formality.

Are you honestly saying the Patriots video-tapes practices, which gave them inside knowledge of every play an opponent was going to call, which they then used, on the spot, to call the precise counter-play, which every player knew, and they did this play after play after play after play?

Sounds a little ridiculous when you think it through, eh?

The Patriots won three Superbowls by being the best team, at the best times, in the National Football League. Period.

You're kidding, right? Everyone knows that your team cheated for a number of years to win games that got you to the SB. The league even trashed the tapes to protect it and your team. Maybe you should take an objective look at what the players and talking heads had to say about the issue. I can't make this shit up.

Fire Arians
01-14-2013, 05:37 PM
new york just owns boston. like the giants own the patriots and yankees own the red sox

dez09231
01-14-2013, 05:39 PM
The league destroying the tapes is fishy as hell. It makes you wonder what was on those tapes. If it was something more significant, the league could've destroyed them to protect the brand. If it came out that the team of the decade won 3 championships by nefarious means, it would be financially detrimental.

However, what was reported being on those tapes, assuming that taping practice was really the only thing on them, didn't win the Patriots rings.

fansince'76
01-14-2013, 05:41 PM
Karma for what? Playing 60 minutes of football?

I dunno - how about the fact that he was still playing late into a 59-24 blowout, which is when he originally got injured?

No sympathy here.

Blacksburg Zach
01-14-2013, 05:57 PM
I dunno - how about the fact that he was still playing late into a 59-24 blowout, which is when he originally got injured?

No sympathy here.

Injuries are part of the game. Gronkowski could have just as easily been injured on the first snap of the game. He did not break his forearm for playing during a blowout, but because he plays a game in which injuries play a major role. Although I hate the Pats, how can it be considered classless for playing the game, even during a blowout? It 's not his responsibility to stop his team's offense, it's up to the opposing team's defense to stop an offense. To blame his injury on karma is just plain incorrect. With that having been said, I also don't feel sympathetic for his injury, but I feel no sympathy because he chose to play the game of football whilst knowing of the injuries that can, and likely will, result from playing the game. My reasoning for not feeling sympathetic has nothing to do with karma, but because of the physical nature of the game of football that Gronkowski chose to play.

fansince'76
01-14-2013, 06:01 PM
Injuries are part of the game. Gronkowski could have just as easily been injured on the first snap of the game. He did not break his forearm for playing during a blowout, but because he plays a game in which injuries play a major role. Although I hate the Pats, how can it be considered classless for playing the game, even during a blowout? It 's not his responsibility to stop his team's offense, it's up to the opposing team's defense to stop an offense. To blame his injury on karma is just plain incorrect. With that having been said, I also don't feel sympathetic for his injury, but I feel no sympathy because he chose to play the game of football whilst knowing of the injuries that can, and likely will, result from playing the game. My reasoning for not feeling sympathetic has nothing to do with karma, but because of the physical nature of the game of football that Gronkowski chose to play.

Rob Gronkowski, the New England's star tight end, has been diagnosed with a broken left forearm. Gronkowski was injured while blocking for an extra point on New England's eighth touchdown late in the fourth quarter...

Rationalize it however you wish. They should have been playing the scrubs by then. It's the physicality of the game that you mentioned that is the exact reason why you don't tempt fate in such a manner.

Ricco Suavez
01-14-2013, 06:54 PM
Patriiots: Everybody was doing it. We gained no advantage.

Common Sense: Everybody got a memo to quit. If it was no advantage then why would a rational person continue to do so when it would result in 500K fine and a draft choice. Something just does not add up.

harrison'samonster
01-14-2013, 07:10 PM
whatever their reasons, hope it was worth a tainted legacy

BrandonCarr39
01-14-2013, 07:17 PM
Rationalize it however you wish. They should have been playing the scrubs by then. It's the physicality of the game that you mentioned that is the exact reason why you don't tempt fate in such a manner.

I'm not a Pats fans, but what coach puts out ALL of their scrubs late in blowout games?

From my experiences of watching games, they pretty much only take out a couple or few of their key starters(QB and RB), and leave their OL, and most of their D out there.

If they put their scrubs in on the OL(blowout or no), others like the QB, RB, K, etc are going to get hurt.

dez09231
01-14-2013, 07:22 PM
People act like he got hurt on a pass play. He was hurt on an extra point. Special teams don't generally practice backups, so a blocker like him wouldn't necessitate a backup entering the game, regardless of score.

If say, Brady got hurt throwing that pass, then lolololol....

we all know they are D-Bags who want to run up the score and chase records, but probably no coach would've taken a ST player out while blocking on an extra point.

PATS16N0
01-14-2013, 07:45 PM
People act like he got hurt on a pass play. He was hurt on an extra point. Special teams don't generally practice backups, so a blocker like him wouldn't necessitate a backup entering the game, regardless of score.

If say, Brady got hurt throwing that pass, then lolololol....

we all know they are D-Bags who want to run up the score and chase records, but probably no coach would've taken a ST player out while blocking on an extra point.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/09/Scott_Tenorman_tears_South_Park.jpg

dez09231
01-14-2013, 08:38 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/09/Scott_Tenorman_tears_South_Park.jpg

I am being rational. If that was intended to be derogatory, idc. New England chases records. Who can argue otherwise empirically? No one else plays a HoF QB up by 4 TD's with 4 minutes to go. "Stop us if you don't like it"... with that mentality, someone is going to lose a knee. Teams don't steal second up 8 in the 9th. Teams don't pull goalies up 4 with 2 minutes to go..... and teams that aren't chasing records don't play MVP HoF QB's throwing bombs up 32 bazillion either. Teams who want to say "We are the best offense EVVVVRRRRRR" do that. If that was any other team doing it, you'd agree. That's not fandom. That's not hating the Patriots. That's rational evaluation of basic sportmanship.

However, no one is taking a blocker out on ST just because the game is over, even if it is Gronkowski.

PATS16N0
01-14-2013, 09:11 PM
I am being rational. If that was intended to be derogatory, idc. New England chases records. Who can argue otherwise empirically? No one else plays a HoF QB up by 4 TD's with 4 minutes to go. "Stop us if you don't like it"... with that mentality, someone is going to lose a knee. Teams don't steal second up 8 in the 9th. Teams don't pull goalies up 4 with 2 minutes to go..... and teams that aren't chasing records don't play MVP HoF QB's throwing bombs up 32 bazillion either. Teams who want to say "We are the best offense EVVVVRRRRRR" do that. If that was any other team doing it, you'd agree. That's not fandom. That's not hating the Patriots. That's rational evaluation of basic sportmanship.

However, no one is taking a blocker out on ST just because the game is over, even if it is Gronkowski.

Patriots play lights out football to the best of their abilities for sixty full minutes.
They don't bench starters or hide from unfortunate circumstance on the sideline.

They play top tier football for a full game. If teams can't handle it, that's their problem.

lloydwoodson
01-14-2013, 09:20 PM
Patriots play lights out football to the best of their abilities for sixty full minutes.
They don't bench starters or hide from unfortunate circumstance on the sideline.

They play top tier football for a full game. If teams can't handle it, that's their problem.

I admire that the Patriots are such perfectionists. Brady gets up his offense's ass if they don't execute whether they are winning or losing.

The people who whine about the Pats running up the score are probably just mad because they keep covering the spread.

Ricco Suavez
01-15-2013, 02:35 PM
First off I don't give a rats azz if my team wins by 1 or 100. As far as the Patriots they are the king of blow outs ,but since Spygate they have not won a Superbowl and before last year even a playoff game. They keep starters in late in games and eventually it will bite them. I hope they beat the Ratbirds (who I hate even more and end Ray Lewis's pity tour) and then lose a nail biter again in the Superbowl. As far as scoring records and regular W-L records they can have all they want. I understand why they like to score all they can though, since Spygate they lose more than their share of close games, hmmm, I wonder why?