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ricardisimo
01-14-2013, 02:54 AM
I could live with this... Gilbert-Beachum-Pouncey-DeCastro-Adams

On the Steelers: Beachum will be part of rebuilt offensive line


January 13, 2013 12:05 am
By Ed Bouchette / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
The Steelers offensive line will change dramatically for 2013.
Three regular starters likely won't return and all three players who took turns starting at right tackle should start at separate positions.
There is a caveat to all of this, of course: Provided they all stay healthy.
Look for Max Starks and Ramon Foster to leave in free agency and Willie Colon to be released. Colon's knee injury that placed him on injured reserve for the third season in a row was the last straw. The Steelers want to move on, and they believe they have the right man to replace him.
They drafted Kelvin Beachum -- their fourth and final pick in the seventh round last year -- to play guard, even though he started at tackle for all 52 games of his four years at SMU. When Marcus Gilbert and Mike Adams were shelved by injuries after starting at right tackle, the Steelers turned to Beachum. He started the final five games and did a nice job. It helped to convince them he can start at guard.
They will turn right tackle over to Adams. Gilbert will start at left tackle. There was a time many assumed Adams would play left tackle, but he is a more natural right tackle, a better run blocker, and Gilbert's more natural position is left tackle.
David DeCastro will take over at right guard as he did at the end of the season when he became healthy. And, of course, there is three-time Pro Bowl center Maurkice Pouncey.
Their backups are to be determined because at the moment only John Malecki is under contract from their season-ending roster.
That, ladies and gents, is your 2013 Pittsburgh Steelers offensive line. Check back for medical updates.

The medical charts

As to those medical problems, Art Rooney II is correct in his plans to investigate them further. It's not just been this season, but last season as well, that the team suffered an inordinate number of injuries.
The first place to look would be at the various leg injuries. Do they have more than other teams? If so, how do they alter their approach in training or practices to prevent them?
There is also the matter of the new CBA that limits the time in which players can be supervised in their training during the offseason by coaches or trainers, even when they're working out at the team facility.
"I think that we have to look at as a league where we are with some of the rules in terms of conditioning and how often the players can be in the building and what they can do here," Rooney said. "I'd like to see us have some of that loosened up a little bit. That obviously is not something that is completely in our control.
"In terms of things that are within our control, we have to look at those things and make sure we are doing the best we can. I think the other thing we have to do is to make our players aware that under the rules we are all operating under now, it's more on them to make sure they are performing and doing their offseason conditioning. We only have access to them for nine weeks, which is not that many weeks in the overall scheme of things. I think it is incumbent on the individual players to be more aware of that.
"Most of our players now go to one of these off-site training programs and participate in those things, at least for some part of the offseason. There is a lot that goes into it."
Ike Taylor and, previously, James Farrior were examples of that. Taylor was an iron man, playing 135 consecutive games at cornerback before a hairline fracture of his right ankle knocked him out of the final four games this season. Farrior missed a total of six games in his decade with the Steelers, no more than two in one season. Both trained extremely hard with trainers in the offseason.

Remember Jed Hughes?

A former Steelers linebackers coach is leading the search team to hire a new general manager for the New York Jets and is the one who chose Omar Khan to be interviewed.
Jed Hughes, who coached the linebackers under Chuck Noll from 1984-88, heads the sports division of the executive search firm Korn/Ferry of Los Angeles. He has been in that business for 20 years and lives in Ligonier, where he had made his home for nearly two decades.
Hughes tapped Khan once before when he was conducting the search for Seattle's general manager. Khan interviewed for that job three years ago.
Hughes fell victim to a sweeping change in Noll's coaching staff after a 5-11 season in 1988. He was one of several coaches fired by Noll, who was under pressure from Dan Rooney to make those changes. Another change Noll made in that process was to tell Tony Dungy he would be demoted from defensive coordinator to secondary coach. Dungy resigned instead.

The Haley interview

Why all the mystery and denials that Todd Haley was interviewing in Arizona for the Cardinals head-coaching job Wednesday?
That was a strange series of events. Kent Somers of the Arizona Republic writes that a source told him he would be interviewed. I confirmed it with two sources at the Steelers, and then president Art Rooney II confirmed it publicly on two different occasions to four reporters.
So why did Haley's agent continue to deny in strong terms to Ian Rapoport of the NFL Network and NFL.com that he was interviewing with Arizona?
Strange indeed. Not long after the Steelers gave Arizona permission to interview Haley, word filtered out that Haley might not interview with the Cardinals unless he was sure they were serious in hiring him. Sources said Haley was happy with his job and did not want the Steelers to think he was job-hunting.
Maybe that is why he and/or his agent wanted to try to keep the interview with the Cardinals quiet. It occurred, we are told, at an undisclosed location. But the Steelers are the ones who acknowledged the interview, so they obviously knew. What would be the purpose of trying to keep others in the dark?
Either way, the fiasco should in no way impugn Haley's qualifications for the job, and, so far, he wasn't the one who lied about it. His agent more likely badly fumbled orders from Haley to keep it quiet. He would have been better off saying nothing at all.


First Published January 13, 2013 12:00 am

lloydwoodson
01-14-2013, 03:26 AM
"There was a time many assumed Adams would play left tackle, but he is a more natural right tackle, a better run blocker, and Gilbert's more natural position is left tackle."

I was one of those people. Adams is a better run blocker though so it does make sense to have him at RT where teams run 70%+ of the time if they don't RUTM.

Rick5895
01-14-2013, 03:30 AM
If we can actually keep this OL healthy it could become very good. I was impressed by Beachum this past season. He has good feet and will translate nicely to guard. We will also save a little coin by letting go of Colon.

lloydwoodson
01-14-2013, 03:48 AM
If we can actually keep this OL healthy it could become very good. I was impressed by Beachum this past season. He has good feet and will translate nicely to guard. We will also save a little coin by letting go of Colon.

If Colon is released after June 1st it clears 5.5 M on the 2013 cap but has over a 4 M penalty the following year. That is probably what will happen.

kan_t
01-14-2013, 06:30 AM
I think that if they couldn't re-sign Foster, they will keep Colon. Beachum will be the backup. If Foster is re-signed, Colon will be cut. Beachum will still be the backup next season.

wwhickok
01-14-2013, 06:43 AM
Beachum has definitely earned his right to play within the OL even if it is a backup role. I was worried about him playing but he has really shined. He has the usual 'rookie' mental errors with false starts and such but not many of them. He played really well overall. I believe if they cut Colon prior to June 1st the cap hit would be less significant. Don't know that for a fact.

kan_t
01-14-2013, 07:13 AM
Beachum has definitely earned his right to play within the OL even if it is a backup role. I was worried about him playing but he has really shined. He has the usual 'rookie' mental errors with false starts and such but not many of them. He played really well overall. I believe if they cut Colon prior to June 1st the cap hit would be less significant. Don't know that for a fact.
I agree. I think he can be a solid starter next season. But I want him to be the backup because I'm worry about the OL depth. Given the OL injury history, I feel much more comfortable by having Beachum instead of Malecki as a spot starter.

PhantomJB93
01-14-2013, 12:11 PM
I still can't believe we're going to go through the Max Starks FA cycle again. Seriously, he's not that old and he's our most consistent linemen playing the most important position on the line, and we could have him for the minimum. We'll cut him, and then in week 4 when Gilbert is out indefinitely we'll sign him again and he'll come in and lock down LT for the rest of the season.

LayingTheWoodley56
01-14-2013, 01:15 PM
I still can't believe we're going to go through the Max Starks FA cycle again. Seriously, he's not that old and he's our most consistent linemen playing the most important position on the line, and we could have him for the minimum. We'll cut him, and then in week 4 when Gilbert is out indefinitely we'll sign him again and he'll come in and lock down LT for the rest of the season.

Max has been a solid player over the years for this team, and he seems to be a respected veteran presence in the locker room. He has been a reliable insurance policy as well.

I think the idea here, though, is to start the two young second-rounders Gilbert and Adams at the tackle spots rather than going with Max for another year. We spent valuable draft picks on both of these two in the last two seasons, and both have the potential to become fixtures on this line. To go back to Starks would be hindering progress, as solid as he may be.

It wouldn't be a bad idea to resign him as a backup to both tackles, however. Gilbert is injury-prone, and it is certainly possible (perhaps even likely) that one or both will miss a game or more next season. I don't know if there would be a market for Max elsewhere to start; if not, I'm sure he would be happy to return to the 'Burgh at the minimum. He would be valuable as a veteran backup who understands how things are done here.

Fire Arians
01-14-2013, 01:24 PM
wouldn't it be preferable for decastro to be the starting LG where his pulling ability can be used more?

pete74
01-14-2013, 01:54 PM
Starks said he wants to return but only as a starter and there is no way he will do league minimum again. He took that two years in a row and since we can't afford to pay him what he is worth he will be playing for another team next season. I wish we could keep him but we won't. This is his last opportunity to get paid and I won't blame him when he takes it. Most teams left tackles are there second highest paid position. Ours played for league minimum for two years and was our most consistent and healthy lineman. He deserves to get paid.

PhantomJB93
01-14-2013, 02:39 PM
Starks said he wants to return but only as a starter and there is no way he will do league minimum again. He took that two years in a row and since we can't afford to pay him what he is worth he will be playing for another team next season. I wish we could keep him but we won't. This is his last opportunity to get paid and I won't blame him when he takes it. Most teams left tackles are there second highest paid position. Ours played for league minimum for two years and was our most consistent and healthy lineman. He deserves to get paid.

He does deserve to get paid, but will any other team really take him? I mean they should, but it was the exact same situation last offseason and nobody offered him anything, that was the only reason he came back here. He seems to be really poorly thought-of by the rest of the league.

steelfury02
01-14-2013, 02:44 PM
He does deserve to get paid, but will any other team really take him? I mean they should, but it was the exact same situation last offseason and nobody offered him anything, that was the only reason he came back here. He seems to be really poorly thought-of by the rest of the league.

for as much as people have been raving about McKinnie or whoever on the Ravens for 2 solid performances - you def don't hear enough talk about Max Starks - I think I remember Troy Aikman as the last guy I heard from in regards to giving props to the fella - and obviously Ben

Now, if Starks is gone and Ben complains that his friend is gone - I'll take Ben's side on this one:chuckle:

AgentGold007
01-14-2013, 02:56 PM
I like the sounds of that offensive line. IF they can stay healthy, they can gel together and potentially be a strength of our team for years. I hate to be somewhat pessimistic though, but Gilbert's ability to stay healthy concerns the hell out of me. I can't remember a game that he's played in that he hasn't come hobbling off the field with some sort of injury. I know injuries are part of the game, but damn, dude has got it bad. Looks like we may have to use some mid to late round draft picks on the o-line to add some depth. How long is Legursky under contract? He's a solid backup at c/g.

MasterOfPuppets
01-14-2013, 03:03 PM
wouldn't it be preferable for decastro to be the starting LG where his pulling ability can be used more?
decastro spent his career at stanford pulling to the left. thats what made him so intriguing. it gives the steelers more options in the run game.

GoFor7
01-14-2013, 03:33 PM
If Beachum is a starter, then the Steelers are not serious about protecting Ben.

"But Beachum did well! He can be a starter!"

Yeah, and Jonathan Scott did well in 2010. Beachum is a backup.

Hawaii 5-0
01-14-2013, 03:48 PM
If Beachum is a starter, then the Steelers are not serious about protecting Ben.

"But Beachum did well! He can be a starter!"

Yeah, and Jonathan Scott did well in 2010. Beachum is a backup.

I agree,

Beachum can be a better version of Trai Essex and have the position flexibility to back up 4 of the 5 OL spots.

but as a starter, no. I seriously hope we re-sign Ramon Foster to start at LG next season.

teegre
01-14-2013, 03:48 PM
If Beachum is a starter, then the Steelers are not serious about protecting Ben.

"But Beachum did well! He can be a starter!"

Yeah, and Jonathan Scott did well in 2010. Beachum is a backup.

You keep saying this, and people keep reminding you that Foster was an URFA. And, Foster played very well. Beachum was a late-round pick... who played well.

I guess that the Saints weren't ever serious about protecting Drew Bree's, because they manned their OG spots with a couple of LATE-round picks: Carl Nicks & Jahri Evans.

Likewise, the Taperiots sure aren't concerned about winning, what with them starting a R6 QB & all.

fer522
01-14-2013, 04:01 PM
:coffee:If Beachum is a starter, then the Steelers are not serious about protecting Ben.

"But Beachum did well! He can be a starter!"

Yeah, and Jonathan Scott did well in 2010. Beachum is a backup.

Have you been watching the games at all? He played 5 games and he did a very good job and what makes you think that he will not improve next year:noidea:
So decastro will be a beast because he was picked in the first round but beachum is a back up because he was picked in the 7th round :doh:

GoFor7
01-14-2013, 04:04 PM
:coffee:

Have you been watching the games at all? He played 5 games and he did a very good job and what makes you think that he will not improve next year:noidea:
So decastro will be a beast because he was picked in the first round but beachum is a back up because he was picked in the 7th round :doh:

Yes, lets cut Colon and let Foster go and start the 7th rounder in their place. Jonathan Scott did a good job in 2010. How'd he do in 2011? Sometimes, guys do better the fewer games they play.

steelfury02
01-14-2013, 04:05 PM
He's perfect for our Marty-ball offense.

teegre
01-14-2013, 04:06 PM
Yes, lets cut Colon and let Foster go and start the 7th rounder in their place. Jonathan Scott did a good job in 2010. How'd he do in 2011? Sometimes, guys do better the fewer games they play.

So you want to keep Foster (who doesn't want to keep him???), but you don't like Beachum because he was a late-round pick. You do realize that Foster WASN'T EVEN DRAFTED.

fer522
01-14-2013, 04:22 PM
Yes, lets cut Colon and let Foster go and start the 7th rounder in their place. Jonathan Scott did a good job in 2010. How'd he do in 2011? Sometimes, guys do better the fewer games they play.

he could be a bust or he could be a solid started for years to come and You won't know that if you don't play him IMO

teegre
01-14-2013, 04:28 PM
he could be a bust or he could be a solid started for years to come and You won't know that if you don't play him IMO

Exactly.

Some Steelers fans were angry that Hines Ward was starting over the R1 pick (Troy Edwards). Once training camp starts, coaches could not care less when you were drafted; they cared how you perform... and Beachum performed very well.

Mike Webster was a R5 pick... who would not have started... except for the fact that he played well. The round that a player was drafted in has little to do with how good they will be.

Terrell Davis, Carl Nicks, Mike Webster - R5
Tom Brady, Greg Lloyd, - R6

Ryan Clark was never drafted... but, Anthony Smith was a R2 pick. I'd take Ryan Clark ANY day of the week. But, that's because I'm not fixated on the round that a player was selected.

Blacksburg Zach
01-14-2013, 04:30 PM
Yes, lets cut Colon and let Foster go and start the 7th rounder in their place. Jonathan Scott did a good job in 2010. How'd he do in 2011? Sometimes, guys do better the fewer games they play.

Yep, because late round draft picks always flop and first rounders are always successful. That's why Ryan Leaf is getting ready for his hall of fame speech while that Tom Brady guy has been out of the league for several years now.:doh:

tony hipchest
01-14-2013, 04:41 PM
He does deserve to get paid, but will any other team really take him? I mean they should, but it was the exact same situation last offseason and nobody offered him anything, that was the only reason he came back here. He seems to be really poorly thought-of by the rest of the league.not exactly the same situation. he was damaged goods. tore up his knee in the playoff game vs denver.

FrancoLambert
01-14-2013, 07:16 PM
Beachum survived his baptism of fire as a seventh rounder.
He certainly didin't show enough to project him as a solid starter/contributor and a reason our O-line will be better next year.
It could. But right now with what he showed it's a bit of a reach. Right now he's a backup. We've shuffled a bunch of them around here lately.

AgentGold007
01-14-2013, 07:37 PM
Yes, lets cut Colon and let Foster go and start the 7th rounder in their place. Jonathan Scott did a good job in 2010. How'd he do in 2011? Sometimes, guys do better the fewer games they play.

Which round was Antonio Brown drafted in when he replaced Hines Ward?

wwhickok
01-14-2013, 08:00 PM
Which round was Antonio Brown drafted in when he replaced Hines Ward?

Round 6/195th overall

AgentGold007
01-14-2013, 08:37 PM
Round 6/195th overall

Uh, I know that. I was posing that question to Gofor7 because he seems to think that players drafted after the first round aren't any good. Thanks anyway.

TheVet
01-14-2013, 10:55 PM
Look for Max Starks and Ramon Foster to leave in free agency and Willie Colon to be released.

This is all good news if true. Foster is just a weak link on any line. Starks is a career underachiever, although he looks good on a bottom tier line. Colon is too injury-prone, and when he's healthy, he hurts the team by killing drives with untimely penalties. These aren't the kind of players a team should overpay for.

TheVet
01-14-2013, 11:02 PM
Starks said he wants to return but only as a starter and there is no way he will do league minimum again. He took that two years in a row and since we can't afford to pay him what he is worth he will be playing for another team next season. I wish we could keep him but we won't. This is his last opportunity to get paid and I won't blame him when he takes it. Most teams left tackles are there second highest paid position. Ours played for league minimum for two years and was our most consistent and healthy lineman. He deserves to get paid.
There were a lot of years where we paid him quite a bit more than he was worth, including two years with the franchise tag. On average, he was a big underachiever who was greatly overpaid.

tony hipchest
01-14-2013, 11:33 PM
i appreciate max starks contributing for 2 years at vet minimum to even out the 2 years we franchise tagged him. he basically showed the rooneys the same loyalty that they showed him and took the hometown discount.

despite his play on the field, he is a good guy and a team guy.

ricardisimo
01-15-2013, 12:01 AM
Yes, lets cut Colon and let Foster go and start the 7th rounder in their place. Jonathan Scott did a good job in 2010. How'd he do in 2011? Sometimes, guys do better the fewer games they play.
I don't remember Scott being anything more than a warm body his first season, not even that the next year. Where do you get this idea that he was good?

El-Gonzo Jackson
01-15-2013, 12:01 AM
wouldn't it be preferable for decastro to be the starting LG where his pulling ability can be used more?

I never get this arguement. Its always assumed that teams dont pull guards to the left. DeCastro goes where he plays best, maybe its LG and maybe RG.

Foster can pull from LG spot. Beechum has the technique, but I am still not sold on his strength vs interior linemen.

Adams may well play LT someday, but I said from the day that he was drafted that he should apprentice on the Right Side. Most here thought I was a downer and should give the kid a shot.

Its the makings of a decent O line. I still think we need Foster at one of the OG spots.

TheVet
01-15-2013, 01:20 AM
i appreciate max starks contributing for 2 years at vet minimum to even out the 2 years we franchise tagged him. he basically showed the rooneys the same loyalty that they showed him and took the hometown discount.

despite his play on the field, he is a good guy and a team guy.

Yes, I would love to have him back for a fair price. He's great for depth - or even usable as a starter if Adams doesn't progress and Gilbert turns out to actually be as bad as he looked during his sophomore slump. OT is still a big problem on this team; we don't have anything that has proven out beyond the journeyman starter level (Starks). It's frustrating.

But sooner or later, we need to field an NFL caliber starting line. I thought we might get there last season, but the injuries (Adams, DeCastro, Gilbert, Colon) and the disappointing performances (Colon, Gilbert, Adams) killed us.

wwhickok
01-15-2013, 06:57 AM
I wouldn't be surprised to see us draft another OL within the first 4 rds.

wootawnee
01-16-2013, 12:12 AM
Max Starks is not going anywhere....Why does year after year everyone say he's gone......He has been with Ben forever and will be the starter next season....IMO

bornaSteelersfan
01-16-2013, 02:41 AM
Max Starks is not going anywhere....Why does year after year everyone say he's gone......He has been with Ben forever and will be the starter next season....IMO

:iagree:

For the last two pre-seasons we saw Ben support Starks by wearing his jersey. I am sure Max wants to get paid, but his loyalty to Ben and vice versa will keep him in Black and Gold.