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Atlanta Dan
01-20-2013, 08:52 PM
Unprecedented success for Brady in his first 5 years, but since 2004 Brady is 0-2 in Super Bowls and has had 2 abysmal home losses in AFC [;ayoff games in the past three seasons

Looks like he will not get that 4th ring to match Bradshaw and Montana

So sad:crying01:

harrison'samonster
01-20-2013, 08:56 PM
I believe that if he never wins another SB, he will be remembered for spygate and getting beat by Eli in two SB's. Personally, I think he's a great QB and definitely one of the best I've seen play, but that won't matter after he's retired.

Atlanta Dan
01-20-2013, 09:00 PM
I believe that if he never wins another SB, he will be remembered for spygate and getting beat by Eli in two SB's. Personally, I think he's a great QB and definitely one of the best I've seen play, but that won't matter after he's retired.

Not saying hew is not excellent, but I thought he was going to get 5 or 6 rings = like Troy Aikman he had his gretaest success early with disappointments to follow

illmatic
01-20-2013, 09:01 PM
I think he will go down in discussion as one of the best QBs to ever play, even if he doesn't get another ring.

He still has many years ahead of him, and as long as him and Bellichick are there, they will always be a threat to win the Super Bowl.

harrison'samonster
01-20-2013, 09:03 PM
Oh yeah, definitely after they beat the Eagles I thought he'd get one or two more easily. I don't see how he could have a lot of years left, he's 35 now I believe.

ZoneBlitzer
01-20-2013, 09:16 PM
I believe that if he never wins another SB, he will be remembered for spygate and getting beat by Eli in two SB's. Personally, I think he's a great QB and definitely one of the best I've seen play, but that won't matter after he's retired.

I agree he's one of the best I've seen as well but playing the neutral here and just pretending I'm a Pats fan, I've got to ask why they didn't surround this guy with more reliable and useful weapons to throw to. Brady made ordinary small white guys look great and he deserves credit for that. But even the greats had their key targets like Stallworth, Swan, Taylor, Rice, etc.

harrison'samonster
01-20-2013, 09:20 PM
that's a good point, they tried w/ Moss and Brady put up huge numbers that year, and more recently w/ the double TE sets. And early in his career it didn't matter as much because they had a Parcells team coached by Billicheck that was stronger defensively than offensively.

ZoneBlitzer
01-20-2013, 09:24 PM
that's a good point, they tried w/ Moss and Brady put up huge numbers that year, and more recently w/ the double TE sets. And early in his career it didn't matter as much because they had a Parcells team coached by Billicheck that was stronger defensively than offensively.

You know that D some key heart and soul kind of players. The sort of intangibles that are hard to replace. But the Pats kept shipping them out or had guys retiring on them. Strange management decisions by Bill.

Atlanta Dan
01-20-2013, 09:29 PM
You know that D some key heart and soul kind of players. The sort of intangibles that are hard to replace. But the Pats kept shipping them out or had guys retiring on them. Strange management decisions by Bill.

Hopefully he stays stuck at 3 rings as HC and only Noll will have won 4 (although Belichick did get 2 rings as an assistant with the Giants)

ZoneBlitzer
01-20-2013, 09:31 PM
Hopefully he stays stuck at 3 rings as HC and only Noll will have won 4 (although Belichick did get 2 rings as an assistant with the Giants)

Oh, they're done. They won't be back with that regime.

TRH
01-20-2013, 09:35 PM
Not sure how he'll be remembered - although the media plays such a huge part in this and all they do is gush over him like slobbering babies - so it definitely helps his cause.

In my book - and i've never wavered on this - and its proven true over and over again : Brady's a very good QB. But thats all i find him. Very good. He's been surrounded by a stellar coaching staff and a stellar (and unbelievably coached) offensive line.

When he just stands in the pocked all day long and then some, like he has for much of his career - he's absolutely golden. But then again, who wouldn't be?
When he's pressured like your average QB in the league, he more oft than not, is shown to be human and then some. Case in point with just one specific example : The 1st Giants-Patriots Super Bowl. Brady had his way all year long. Then, come SB, the Giants were in his face all game long. And he was just your average good QB.

I've never been sold on all this "greatest ever" stuff shoved down our throats by the media. I see right through it and i've been proven right almost always on this one.
He's a very good QB, dont' get me wrong. But thats where i leave it. At that. And no more.

fansince'76
01-20-2013, 09:37 PM
Not sure how he'll be remembered - although the media plays such a huge part in this and all they do is gush over him like slobbering babies - so it definitely helps his cause.

In my book - and i've never wavered on this - and its proven true over and over again : Brady's a very good QB. But thats all i find him. Very good. He's been surrounded by a stellar coaching staff and a stellar (and unbelievably coached) offensive line.

When he just stands in the pocked all day long and then some, like he has for much of his career - he's absolutely golden. But then again, who wouldn't be?
When he's pressured like your average QB in the league, he more oft than not, is shown to be human and then some. Case in point with just one specific example : The 1st Giants-Patriots Super Bowl. Brady had his way all year long. Then, come SB, the Giants were in his face all game long. And he was just your average good QB.

I've never been sold on all this "greatest ever" stuff shoved down our throats by the media. I see right through it and i've been proven right almost always on this one.
He's a very good QB, dont' get me wrong. But thats where i leave it. At that. And no more.

Bingo! Getting shown up by Peyton's little brother TWICE on the biggest stage automatically removes him from the "best ever" discussion, IMO. Sorry, but the "best QB ever" should have been able to muster more than two TDs against the NFC's 5th seed. Not to mention getting outplayed by Flacco in 2 AFCCGs in his own backyard.

NSMaster56
01-20-2013, 10:48 PM
Post merger QB rankings:

1/2. Elway/Montana
3/4. Brady/Manning
5. Marino

Questions?

Stu Pidasso
01-20-2013, 11:22 PM
Unprecedented success for Brady in his first 5 years, but since HE GOT CAUGHT CHEATING in 2004 Brady is 0-2 in Super Bowls and has had 2 abysmal home losses in AFC playoff games in the past three seasons

Looks like he will not get that 4th ring to match Bradshaw and Montana

So sad:crying01:

There. Fixed it for ya. ;)

GMU Steeler
01-20-2013, 11:24 PM
There. Fixed it for ya. ;)

It is pretty telling. I know you can say the playoffs are a crapshoot but I think it's telling that Brady and the Pats haven't won a SB since Spygate was exposed.

ZoneBlitzer
01-21-2013, 02:07 AM
It is pretty telling. I know you can say the playoffs are a crapshoot but I think it's telling that Brady and the Pats haven't won a SB since Spygate was exposed.

Ah, I don't think that has anything to do with it. If their spying was so critical why did they eke out their wins? If anything they got away with murder by mugging the receivers they faced. Everyone knows about how their secondary manhandled and interfered with the Rams for their first SB win. After their last win, you got to look to changes on the team as well as luck. All of their SBs have been close win or lose.

steve314
01-21-2013, 02:15 AM
Ah, I don't think that has anything to do with it. If their spying was so critical why did they eke out their wins? If anything they got away with murder by mugging the receivers they faced. Everyone knows about how their secondary manhandled and interfered with the Rams for their first SB win. After their last win, you got to look to changes on the team as well as luck. All of their SBs have been close win or lose.

Who knows how much the spying helped, but a close game is exactly where a small edge from cheating would come in handy. Who cares if you get a small edge from cheating if the game is a blowout.

Kanata-Steeler
01-21-2013, 02:53 AM
even if Brady left tomorrow, and/or their regime is finished, Brady will be right up there with Montana.
In 10 seasons he had 5 SB appearances, 2 were lost, countless division titles, mvp's,...
Before Brady showed up, nobody really heard of the Patriots.
I wanna beat him every time I see him, but nonetheless, imho, and as far as "posterity" goes,
Brady is going down as one of the "Elites", of the NFL's QB classes.

Atlanta Dan
01-21-2013, 07:51 AM
Post merger QB rankings:

1/2. Elway/Montana
3/4. Brady/Manning
5. Marino

Questions?

Probably more acurate to caption the rankings as "post-1978 rules changes" rather than "post-merger"

Stats for 1970s QBs are based on a different game - Staubach (2 rings, 4 Super Bowls (with the 2 losses to the 70s Steelers) arguably is comparable to Elway in terms of success and style of play

pczach
01-21-2013, 09:07 AM
I think it's amazing that we all have to listen to the Ben Roethlisberger bashers go crazy on him for not scoring enough points, while a guy like Brady goes out and lays a steaming pile of 13 points on the board and gets no flak. Five trips inside the 25 yard line and 1 touchdown. Where are all the Big Ben bashers crushing Brady? You know, the greatest quarterback ever....Oh, that's right, it would hurt their arguments about how horrible Ben is. It really is laughable.

Unkindness
01-21-2013, 10:15 AM
Part of the issue with Brady's legacy is that he came out gangbusters.

10-0 in his first 10 post season games.

7-7 in his last 14.

His TD to interception ratio has also been terrible in those last 14.

We tend to remember recent history.

steelerchad
01-21-2013, 11:38 AM
Ah, I don't think that has anything to do with it. If their spying was so critical why did they eke out their wins? If anything they got away with murder by mugging the receivers they faced. Everyone knows about how their secondary manhandled and interfered with the Rams for their first SB win. After their last win, you got to look to changes on the team as well as luck. All of their SBs have been close win or lose.

Isn't that just it though. They won close games using cheated to gain a slight advantage. It wasn't a fool proof plan to dominate the other team. But having the right D called or adjusting slightly at the line of scrimmage or getting a little jump in the right direction on the snap got a less talented team over the hump against better competition.
They were not as talented as the teams they beat in a lot of those playoff games.

steelerchad
01-21-2013, 11:42 AM
I'll equate the cheating this way. I play a guy at a sport weekly. He's pretty much a cheating SOB, but it's hard to find a game with decent competition on my side of town so we continue to play. The cheating is always there, but is amplified late in games coming down to the wire. Occasionally he will win a game he shouldn't have won because of it.

It's just an extra little edge he gets that he wouldn't be allowed to get in a tournament setting with a ref.

plenewken
01-21-2013, 12:02 PM
Bingo! Getting shown up by Peyton's little brother TWICE on the biggest stage automatically removes him from the "best ever" discussion, IMO. Sorry, but the "best QB ever" should have been able to muster more than two TDs against the NFC's 5th seed. Not to mention getting outplayed by Flacco in 2 AFCCGs in his own backyard.

Well. This is not going to help Ben's image cause Ben has been clearly outplayed by the 3 QBs he's faced in the SBs he's played, even if he ended up with 2 rings.

wwhickok
01-21-2013, 12:46 PM
Oh, they're done. They won't be back with that regime.

I think theyll win the division for 2the more seasons...after that I think the Patriots are going to return to .the cellar.

fansince'76
01-21-2013, 12:52 PM
Well. This is not going to help Ben's image cause Ben has been clearly outplayed by the 3 QBs he's faced in the SBs he's played, even if he ended up with 2 rings.

Cool story, bro. In case you hadn't noticed, Roethlisberger has nothing to do with the thread. I also don't ever recall Roethlisberger getting endlessly knobslobbed as the "BEST EVURRRRR," either.

NSMaster56
01-21-2013, 01:58 PM
Probably more acurate to caption the rankings as "post-1978 rules changes" rather than "post-merger"

Stats for 1970s QBs are based on a different game - Staubach (2 rings, 4 Super Bowls (with the 2 losses to the 70s Steelers) arguably is comparable to Elway in terms of success and style of play

Very true.

Well said.