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cbrunn
01-29-2013, 08:53 PM
1 - Jarvis Jones - OLB - Georgia
Yes I think he drops ... teams in the top 10 won't pick him because of his only like 6 year span ... he won't test real well at the combine ... reports he don't like working out (probably can't with the spine issue) ... DL would have to play him from year 1 though... Say bye bye to James Harrison and save that 5-6 mill it saves

2 - David Amerson - FS/CB
I absolutely Love Amerson and would take him in the 1st ... I love his ability to play center field and make plays on the ball ... something our DBs lacked for yearsssssss ... I also like his ability to be able to cover the Bigger TEs during a blitz

3 - Jonathan Cyprien - SS - FIU
Like somebody said in their mock ... Cyprrien and Amerson compliment each other well... His stock went through the roof from the senior bowl ... can tackle and can cover

4 - Kenjon Barner - RB - Oregon
Absolute Game Changing Speed ... Can Catch ... Can Handle more punishment then Rainey

5 - Michael Williams - TE - Bama
Best blocking TE and his receiving is underrated

6 - Jeff Lucke - P - UCLA
absolutely need a better punter ... and he'll help Kickoff as he can consistently boot it out of the endzone ... Had a good showing in either the East.West or senior bowl I forget which one

7 - Oline / WR ... somebody for depth

BLACK_AND_YELLOW
01-30-2013, 01:31 AM
So in your mock we're re-signing Wallace?

cbrunn
01-30-2013, 06:03 AM
So in your mock we're re-signing Wallace?

I believe they will try to ... and If not I think Brown and Sanders and Cotch and Plax will be ok ....

I also would love Justin Hunter in the 1st or 2nd in the draft ... I just think if Jarvis Drops you can't pass him up as a Pass Rusher is more important then a WR

Same thing with David Amerson ... seen if a couple Injuries happen our DBs suck behind the top 3 ... Amerson gives versatility to play the Corner if needed ... and can learn the safety for a year... most importantly he attacks the ball when in the air something our DBs lack ... I think he's also better then people our making him out to be at CB , He had a couple bad games early on but started to play real good at the end of the season, He was biting on double moves too much trying to do what he did last year

3rd you'd like a WR then sure but I think a Troy replacement is more important to find in this Safety rich draft ...

Anthony Amos would be good in the 7th for a WR that could become good...

cbrunn
01-30-2013, 06:09 AM
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WVABE
01-30-2013, 05:07 PM
He's not afraid to go after the ball that's for sure.

SteelersCanada
01-30-2013, 05:16 PM
You're not willing to take a chance on Jordan, but you're ready and willing to draft a guy that has a serious spinal injury that, according to you, is going to completely throw his stock into a tailspin?

cbrunn
01-30-2013, 05:27 PM
You're not willing to take a chance on Jordan, but you're ready and willing to draft a guy that has a serious spinal injury that, according to you, is going to completely throw his stock into a tailspin?

He's the best player in the draft by far to me ..
Jarvis and Jordan is 2 completely different players ... Jarvis is actually a beast , and the best pass rusher in this draft, and when you watch the game he looks like the best player on the field ... am I worried We'll only get maybe 6 good years out of him? absolutely not, I'll take 6 years with a difference maker at the OLB rather then 10 with just a player

Yes Jordan is just a player to me

SteelersCanada
01-30-2013, 06:19 PM
He's the best player in the draft by far to me ..
Jarvis and Jordan is 2 completely different players ... Jarvis is actually a beast , and the best pass rusher in this draft, and when you watch the game he looks like the best player on the field ... am I worried We'll only get maybe 6 good years out of him? absolutely not, I'll take 6 years with a difference maker at the OLB rather then 10 with just a player

Yes Jordan is just a player to me

I'm not arguing we shouldn't take him, it was just surprising to me. Either way, I don't see him getting past the Jets at 9. Even if he does, he won't get past the Saints at 15 as they're switching to the 3-4 too.

If he's there, though, we should take him. I agree.

WokeUpWithaWoodley
01-30-2013, 07:53 PM
A lot of teams this year have said there switching to 3-4 schemes ( well two I can think of off the bat, browns and saints ) so expect the olbs olb/de hybrid guys go early and probably won't be any left of a 17th selection.

kan_t
01-30-2013, 10:10 PM
A lot of teams this year have said there switching to 3-4 schemes ( well two I can think of off the bat, browns and saints ) so expect the olbs olb/de hybrid guys go early and probably won't be any left of a 17th selection.

Some will fall. The scheme change probably affects the NT/DT draft stock more.

cbrunn
01-30-2013, 10:29 PM
I'm not arguing we shouldn't take him, it was just surprising to me. Either way, I don't see him getting past the Jets at 9. Even if he does, he won't get past the Saints at 15 as they're switching to the 3-4 too.

If he's there, though, we should take him. I agree.

Saints are who I'm worried about too... I don't see how he gets passed them either

cbrunn
01-30-2013, 10:39 PM
Some will fall. The scheme change probably affects the NT/DT draft stock more.

I agree ...

Here a decent quote from this article about Jarvis Jones http://www.austinchronicle.com/blogs/sports/2013-01-23/the-nfl-beat-spinal-stenosis/

So what does this mean for Jarvis Jones?
It means the same thing it meant for Michael Irvin, Sterling Sharpe, Marcus McNeill, and Chris Samuels. Pro Bowlers whose careers were ultimately cut short by the condition.
The most important part of that last sentence is "Pro Bowlers," however. When thinking back on the Dallas Cowboys championship runs of the 1990s, one may conjure up images of a black Mercedes SL-500 with gold trim and personalized Texas plates reading "PLY MKR."
In other words, former Cowboys WR Michael Irvin is remembered for many things, but never as "the player who had spinal stenosis."
When you have the opportunity to draft a "playmaker," you take it.

Teams will be stupid to pass on him because of the injury , But I still think some do ... With players like Ansah , Mingo , Datone Jones , Dion Jordan , Sam Montgomery all could end up passing him in this draft process

kan_t
01-30-2013, 10:42 PM
Getting Javis Jones is just too good to be true to me. The Steelers hit a HR in the first round last year. Don't think they will hit back-to-back.

Steel Glory
01-31-2013, 10:46 AM
This is what I would like... maybe just wishful thinking. This post is an exact repost from another topic I replied on two or three days ago.

1. Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia
2. Giovanni Bernard, RB, North Carolina
3. Aaron Dobson, WR, Marshall
4. D.J. Swearinger, S, South Carolina
5. Duke Williams, S, Nevada
6. Rick Wagner, OG, Wisconsin
7. Caleb Sturgis, K, Florida

BLACK_AND_YELLOW
01-31-2013, 12:07 PM
This is what I would like... maybe just wishful thinking. This post is an exact repost from another topic I replied on two or three days ago.

1. Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia
2. Giovanni Bernard, RB, North Carolina
3. Aaron Dobson, WR, Marshall
4. D.J. Swearinger, S, South Carolina
5. Duke Williams, S, Nevada
6. Rick Wagner, OG, Wisconsin
7. Caleb Sturgis, K, Florida

Got one better...
1. Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia
2. DeAndre Hopkins, WR, Clemson
3. Jonathan Cyprien, S, Florida International/David Amerson, CB/FS, N.C. State
4. Marcus Lattimore, RB, South Carolina/Mike Gillislee, RB, Florida
5. Michael Williams, TE, Alabama
6. Ace Sanders, WR, South Carolina
7. Michael Mauti, ILB, Penn State

Kingmagyar
01-31-2013, 04:58 PM
Love that receiver you have in the 7th, but I really think one will be taken top 3 rounds this year. I would bet my house on it.

pczach
01-31-2013, 04:58 PM
I know Jarvis Jones is a great athlete and he gets to the qb....but have you seen Georgia TRY to stop the run. It's ugly. Jones doesn't play disciplined and gets caught out of position often. That style of play doesn't fit well into Dick Lebeau's system. In this scheme, an OLB has to be able to rush the passer, and be stout against the run. I don't think he would be able to come in and play. He'd have to gain weight, learn the system, be disciplined in the system, learn how to take on blocks and still make plays. He's a "run around" guy. He doesn't take on blocks. That's why he struggles against the run. He gets sacks and makes splash plays in the backfield, but he doesn't do the dirty work necessary to play in the 3-4 defense. All this and serious injury concerns. I don't think I would take that pick, especially in the 1st round.

pczach
01-31-2013, 05:02 PM
Got one better...
1. Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia
2. DeAndre Hopkins, WR, Clemson
3. Jonathan Cyprien, S, Florida International/David Amerson, CB/FS, N.C. State
4. Marcus Lattimore, RB, South Carolina/Mike Gillislee, RB, Florida
5. Michael Williams, TE, Alabama
6. Ace Sanders, WR, South Carolina
7. Michael Mauti, ILB, Penn State

I like your picks. except for Jones in the 1st. I know Lattimore and Mauti scare some with the injury history, but those two are PLAYERS!

cbrunn
01-31-2013, 05:28 PM
I know Jarvis Jones is a great athlete and he gets to the qb....but have you seen Georgia TRY to stop the run. It's ugly. Jones doesn't play disciplined and gets caught out of position often. That style of play doesn't fit well into Dick Lebeau's system. In this scheme, an OLB has to be able to rush the passer, and be stout against the run. I don't think he would be able to come in and play. He'd have to gain weight, learn the system, be disciplined in the system, learn how to take on blocks and still make plays. He's a "run around" guy. He doesn't take on blocks. That's why he struggles against the run. He gets sacks and makes splash plays in the backfield, but he doesn't do the dirty work necessary to play in the 3-4 defense. All this and serious injury concerns. I don't think I would take that pick, especially in the 1st round.

Jones is good enough against the Run ... and he did all this with teams knowing and having to double team him ... Now imagine that he has Woodley on the other side to take away that double team

If your talking about the SEC championship game where all they did was power run right at him and he still made a couple plays ... The guy just makes plays no matter how much other teams try to "take him away"

who else did Georgia have to take away blocks from him???

cbrunn
01-31-2013, 05:45 PM
Got one better...
1. Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia
2. DeAndre Hopkins, WR, Clemson
3. Jonathan Cyprien, S, Florida International/David Amerson, CB/FS, N.C. State
4. Marcus Lattimore, RB, South Carolina/Mike Gillislee, RB, Florida
5. Michael Williams, TE, Alabama
6. Ace Sanders, WR, South Carolina
7. Michael Mauti, ILB, Penn State

If we're doing a "Dream" one

1. OLB Jarvis Jones
2. WR Justin Hunter ... Hopkins would be good too ... But neither will last that late to the 2nd
3. FS Bacarri Rambo
4. SS Jonathan Cyprien
5. RB Kenjon Barner ... I love Gillislee and think he'll be the best Pro in the draft , But I think Kenjon fits what Haley wants to do to a T
6. TE Michael Williams
7. WR Anthony Amos / CB Nigel Malone / CB Jumal Rolle / CB Rashaan Melvin

teegre
01-31-2013, 10:43 PM
This is what I would like... maybe just wishful thinking. This post is an exact repost from another topic I replied on two or three days ago.

1. Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia
2. Giovanni Bernard, RB, North Carolina
3. Aaron Dobson, WR, Marshall
4. D.J. Swearinger, S, South Carolina
5. Duke Williams, S, Nevada
6. Rick Wagner, OG, Wisconsin
7. Caleb Sturgis, K, Florida

Sturgis.

Nice. I was on that bandwagon, as well. But, currently, I am 50-50. Why? Suisham had a great year.

Steel Glory
02-01-2013, 01:17 AM
Sturgis.

Nice. I was on that bandwagon, as well. But, currently, I am 50-50. Why? Suisham had a great year.

Suisham had a good year, but we lost more than a few games by 3 points or less. Instead of punting from the 40 yard line I would rather be lining up for a fg. Almost everything over 50 yards was short for Suisham. Plus it helps special teams with touchbacks. Sturgis has quite the leg, and after watching Justin Tucker, Blair Walsh and Greg "the leg" Zuerlein, kick 50+ yard kicks like automatic, I can't help but think we could have gotten at least 2 more wins just from that. And with 2 more wins we would have been in the dance in January.

teegre
02-01-2013, 01:44 AM
Suisham had a good year, but we lost more than a few games by 3 points or less. Instead of punting from the 40 yard line I would rather be lining up for a fg. Almost everything over 50 yards was short for Suisham. Plus it helps special teams with touchbacks. Sturgis has quite the leg, and after watching Justin Tucker, Blair Walsh and Greg "the leg" Zuerlein, kick 50+ yard kicks like automatic, I can't help but think we could have gotten at least 2 more wins just from that. And with 2 more wins we would have been in the dance in January.

I concur... that was my thought for most of the season.

BUT... after the year that Suisham had, I simply do not see them drafting a kicker. Instead, I think that their focus will be on "breaking" past the 45 yard FG area (where they had to punt) into the 35 yard FG area (where Suisham can kick a FG). As in: converting one more third down, in order to get into "makable" FG range. [Likewise, I see them taking those drives that stalled at the 10, and converting those FGs into TDs.]

Anyways, in in the end, I agree about taking Sturgis. I had him mocked, in my mock in R5 or R6... and would gladly take him in R7 (if he's still there).

teegre
02-01-2013, 01:50 AM
If we are going "dream" mock... well... dream BIG.

R1 - Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia
R2 - Matt Elam, SS, Florida
R3 - (traded to acuire Elam)
R4 - Marcus Lattimore, RB, South Car (he FULLY recovers)
R5 - Gavin Escobar, TE, SDSU (he somehow drops to R5)
R6 - Alex Carder, QB, Western Michigan
R7 - James Hurst or Ricky Wagner, OL (depth)

kan_t
02-01-2013, 02:14 AM
Sturgis.

Nice. I was on that bandwagon, as well. But, currently, I am 50-50. Why? Suisham had a great year.

I never trust a kicker even though he just had a good year before, unless the kicker is Vinatieri or Janikowski. Akers was excellent last season and has suddenly fallen off this season. Crosby was the same. Few are reilable in the league.

cbrunn
02-01-2013, 06:04 AM
Suisham had a good year, but we lost more than a few games by 3 points or less. Instead of punting from the 40 yard line I would rather be lining up for a fg. Almost everything over 50 yards was short for Suisham. Plus it helps special teams with touchbacks. Sturgis has quite the leg, and after watching Justin Tucker, Blair Walsh and Greg "the leg" Zuerlein, kick 50+ yard kicks like automatic, I can't help but think we could have gotten at least 2 more wins just from that. And with 2 more wins we would have been in the dance in January.

Can you Trust 50 yrd in Pittsburgh by anybody??
the longest field goal I could find is 52 by Jeff Reed

Now punter on the other hand ... Drew Butler sucked I know he was only a rookie but need at least some competition and I believe one of these guys could be a 7th round of UFA to bring in

Jeff Locke - First-team all-conference punter Jeff Locke is one of the best around, although his 43.4-yard average might not be eye-popping. He is great at placement and hang time, helping UCLA rank 14th nationally in net punting. And he hits 77 percent of his kickoffs into the end zone for touchbacks. UCLA misses Damien Thigpen (ACL) on kick returns.

Ryan Allen - Punter - Ryan Allen, senior, 6-2, 215, Louisiana Tech...Allen led the nation in punting this season with an average of 48.04 yards per punt and leads the nation in net punting with a net punting average of 43.51. He booted the longest punt this season of any punter in the country with an 85-yard kick at New Mexico State. Over 44 percent of his punts this season have landed inside the 20 and over 46 percent of his punts have gone over 50 yards. Last week Allen became the first player to ever win the Ray Guy Award (nationís top punter) in back-to-back years. - Louisiana Tech football

Steel Glory
02-01-2013, 11:14 AM
Can you Trust 50 yrd in Pittsburgh by anybody??
the longest field goal I could find is 52 by Jeff Reed

Now punter on the other hand ... Drew Butler sucked I know he was only a rookie but need at least some competition and I believe one of these guys could be a 7th round of UFA to bring in

Jeff Locke - First-team all-conference punter Jeff Locke is one of the best around, although his 43.4-yard average might not be eye-popping. He is great at placement and hang time, helping UCLA rank 14th nationally in net punting. And he hits 77 percent of his kickoffs into the end zone for touchbacks. UCLA misses Damien Thigpen (ACL) on kick returns.

Ryan Allen - Punter - Ryan Allen, senior, 6-2, 215, Louisiana Tech...Allen led the nation in punting this season with an average of 48.04 yards per punt and leads the nation in net punting with a net punting average of 43.51. He booted the longest punt this season of any punter in the country with an 85-yard kick at New Mexico State. Over 44 percent of his punts this season have landed inside the 20 and over 46 percent of his punts have gone over 50 yards. Last week Allen became the first player to ever win the Ray Guy Award (nationís top punter) in back-to-back years. - Louisiana Tech football

Brad Wing declared early out of LSU... best directional punter I've seen if they want someone like that. Also, I know a place kicker isn't the largest need, but I would welcome a kicker and I personally want to have one with a larger leg.

Justp94
02-01-2013, 09:22 PM
1 - Jarvis Jones - OLB - Georgia
Yes I think he drops ... teams in the top 10 won't pick him because of his only like 6 year span ... he won't test real well at the combine ... reports he don't like working out (probably can't with the spine issue) ... DL would have to play him from year 1 though... Say bye bye to James Harrison and save that 5-6 mill it saves

2 - David Amerson - FS/CB
I absolutely Love Amerson and would take him in the 1st ... I love his ability to play center field and make plays on the ball ... something our DBs lacked for yearsssssss ... I also like his ability to be able to cover the Bigger TEs during a blitz

3 - Jonathan Cyprien - SS - FIU
Like somebody said in their mock ... Cyprrien and Amerson compliment each other well... His stock went through the roof from the senior bowl ... can tackle and can cover

4 - Kenjon Barner - RB - Oregon
Absolute Game Changing Speed ... Can Catch ... Can Handle more punishment then Rainey

5 - Michael Williams - TE - Bama
Best blocking TE and his receiving is underrated

6 - Jeff Lucke - P - UCLA
absolutely need a better punter ... and he'll help Kickoff as he can consistently boot it out of the endzone ... Had a good showing in either the East.West or senior bowl I forget which one

7 - Oline / WR ... somebody for depth

I know drafting a TE would be great until the Injured Heath Miller returns, but unless it's a Zach Ertz/Tyler Eifert kinda TE it's better going through free agency. Wallace will sign else where and Harrison will be cut (Cap Issue/age). Mendenhall may or may not be back depending on the contract he wants.

1st. DE/OLB Ezekiel Ansah
Ansah is starting to get more recognition now and it's probably going to increase his value, everyone is comparing him to Jason Pierre-Paul and rightfully so as he's big and strong, and has the athleticism to be an elite pass rusher. The Steelers NEED a guy like this to compliment Woodley's Bull rush style of Pass rushing. He'd be an excellent choice in the first round.

2nd. WR Da'Rick Rogers or TE Zach Ertz*
Rogers has an exciting combination of size, strength and explosiveness. Rogers played in all 11 games for Tennessee Tech in 2012, and lead the team with 61 catches for 893 yards and 10 touchdowns. No one else on the roster had more than 28 receptions, and Rogers put up his staggering numbers despite every opponent game-planning to contain him. And don't forget his great season the year before when Justin Hunter went down and he showed what he was truly capable of by racking up 67 receptions, 1,040 receiving yards and nine touchdowns in 2011 for the Tennessee Volunteers.

Ertz probably will be gone before the Steelers choose in the 2nd, but if he is still available then he'd be a great pick. (I'd personally rather have Rogers though, as Ben needs more weapons in this offense at the WR position and we could sign a decent TE cheap in free agency.)

3rd. RB Joseph Randle** or ILB Jon Bostic***
Randle has good speed to burst through the hole and stay upright through contact -- many of his yards came after the initial hit when he lowered his pads and fell forward. Randle has an upright running style, but he accelerates quickly and is productive as both a rusher and receiver.

Instinctive, physical and productive against quality competition, Bostic ranks as one of the better no-nonsense run-stuffing inside linebackers of the 2013 draft class. As his five career interceptions and 7.5 sacks attest, he's also capable of contributing against the pass -- traits which should help him earn a selection during the late second to mid third days of the draft.

4th. FS D.J. Swearinger
Swearinger is a beast and would fit right in with this Steelers defense, especially when he'll be learning from two of the best safeties in the league in Clark & Polamalu.

5th. ILB Kevin Reddick***
As for Reddick, we need to draft an Inside Linebacker whether it be for depth or to compete for the starting job because I'm not sure if Sean Spence is ready for the job yet and Reddick can show his worth during Preseason.

6th. DT Montori Hughes or OG Omoregie Uzzi
Even though Hughes has had issues with effort and character issues in the past, his ability to take on double teams and still emerge the victor, is worth giving him a shot. He's a perfect fit for our 3-4 defensive scheme and should help free up linebackers from blocks since he's likely to be double teamed a lot.

Uzzi is an explosive, quick athlete for his size. Comes off the ball fast, and displays athleticism to get to the second level quickly, can be a good pass blocker when he gets his arms extended, but needs to work on his technique and footwork in pass blocking. He'd be a good back up and possible replacement at guard in a couple years.

7th. QB Collin Klein****
Klein is an upgrade to Batch & Leftwich combined and he's big like Roethlisberger as well. (Not much analysis, just that we need a better back up than what we have and Klein should do the Job).

* On the slim chance he's still available.
** Only if the Steelers don't re-sign Mendenhall
*** Bostic in 3rd round if we re-sign Mendenhall, Reddick in 5th if we don't and Randle in the 3rd round.
**** If we don't find a suitable back up for cheap in free agency.

pczach
02-02-2013, 05:12 PM
Jones is good enough against the Run ... and he did all this with teams knowing and having to double team him ... Now imagine that he has Woodley on the other side to take away that double team

If your talking about the SEC championship game where all they did was power run right at him and he still made a couple plays ... The guy just makes plays no matter how much other teams try to "take him away"

who else did Georgia have to take away blocks from him???

Who else did they have?

How about the other 10 defensive starters that are rated as NFL caliber players. I understand that the team didn't hold up against the run as a whole, but you still didn't address how undisciplined he is and how he freelances outside the defensive scheme. That won't work at the NFL level. Making a play against the run 5 yards in the backfield is great, but if all you do is shoot gaps and fly upfield while ignoring defensive assignments, you could do more harm than good. Again, if he's a coachable kid, and the team thinks he has the physical skills to play in the 3-4 and make impact plays, that's great. He just hasn't shown that to me with how he played at Georgia.