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Steelers5895
02-09-2013, 09:40 AM
This guy doesnt fit into the Saints offense. They barely use him and they have Pierre Thomas, Sproles and can still resign Ivory for cheap.

They are transitioning to a 3-4.

I have no idea if he is available or if the Saints are down on him but he is young, cheap and can run with power and used more than 10 carries a game has upside.

Ok, we are the GMs, what would you trade?

Me? I would trade a 3 and 5 if no players are involved

I would trade Woodley or Worilds straight up, no picks and that gives them an OLB pass rusher which they dont have on their roster.

SteelersCanada
02-09-2013, 10:40 AM
This guy doesnt fit into the Saints offense. They barely use him and they have Pierre Thomas, Sproles and can still resign Ivory for cheap.

They are transitioning to a 3-4.

I have no idea if he is available or if the Saints are down on him but he is young, cheap and can run with power and used more than 10 carries a game has upside.

Ok, we are the GMs, what would you trade?

Me? I would trade a 3 and 5 if no players are involved

I would trade Woodley or Worilds straight up, no picks and that gives them an OLB pass rusher which they dont have on their roster.

I wouldn't give up any picks because of this defensive-heavy class, but I'd give up Worilds and Carter for him. Again, I don't trade Woodley after one bad injury marred year.

Steelers5895
02-09-2013, 10:52 AM
I wouldn't give up any picks because of this defensive-heavy class, but I'd give up Worilds and Carter for him. Again, I don't trade Woodley after one bad injury marred year.

Its back to back down years for woodley. 2011 he was hurt and last year he was non existance. he is still a decent name not too far removed from a good year which means he still would command value. One more season like the last 2 and he is going to be cut, useless as a trade and we get nothing for him.

lloydwoodson
02-09-2013, 11:05 AM
Dwyer rushed for more yards than Ingram. Dwyer and Redman both have career ypc better than Ingram. I don't think Ingram will be a Steeler any time soon. I certainly would not give up depth at OLB to bring in a RB. RBs are a dime a dozen.

This probably could have been part of one of the several FA threads out there.

desertsteel
02-09-2013, 11:34 AM
RBs are a dime a dozen.
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Then how come we don't have one?

pittpete
02-09-2013, 11:47 AM
If the Steelers traded Woodley, his cap hit would still be over $8 million for the Steelers so it isn't ahppening.
Acceleration also occurs when a player is traded or waived and picked up by another team. The new team is not responsible for any of the original signing bonus. The team that waived or traded the player is responsible for the accelerated signing bonus

Steelers5895
02-09-2013, 12:01 PM
Dwyer rushed for more yards than Ingram. Dwyer and Redman both have career ypc better than Ingram. I don't think Ingram will be a Steeler any time soon. I certainly would not give up depth at OLB to bring in a RB. RBs are a dime a dozen.

This probably could have been part of one of the several FA threads out there.

saints have 4 running backs and are a throwing team. do you watch football?

Steelers5895
02-09-2013, 12:02 PM
If the Steelers traded Woodley, his cap hit would still be over $8 million for the Steelers so it isn't ahppening.

i am thinking moreso of picks. especially if we trade down and accumulate picks. we can afford a 3rd and 5th. a bettis type trade for sure.

AgentGold007
02-09-2013, 01:03 PM
I'd rather draft Eddie Lacey.

Steelers5895
02-09-2013, 01:26 PM
I'd rather draft Eddie Lacey.

17 is too high

if we move back in rd 1 and he is there great.

wont be there in rd 2 when we pcik unless we move up

DanRooney
02-09-2013, 02:33 PM
I'd love Ingram but he isn't worth Woodley AND Worilds. I'd give them Worilds and a 3rd.

Blackout
02-09-2013, 02:58 PM
Honestly until we actually focus on one RB to be our starter and not making that person a 3rd stringer after fumbling once, it would be a waste to get Ingram or even Lacey.

And our O-Line still needs to be better.

lloydwoodson
02-09-2013, 04:16 PM
saints have 4 running backs and are a throwing team. do you watch football?

I guess they forgot they were a throwing team when they drafted a runningback in the first round? My thinking is they were expecting more from Ingram than a 3.9 ypc. If Ingram was a better player he would be a bigger part of the offense. In the NFL most teams build around the talent they have- so if the Saints say that Ingram is not a feature back I will trust that because it is a well run organization. You really think he would be splitting carries if he was the next LT?

Yeah... let's trade a ProBowl OLB in Woodley for a guy who hasn't even sniffed a 1000 yard season.

Woodley will retire as the Steelers all-time sack leader... unless he gets traded for a middle-of-the pack running back.

Then how come we don't have one?

You mean other than Mendenhall who averaged 1100 yards and 10 touchdowns on 4.1 ypc per season in the 3 years he was healthy?

---The bottom line is the Steelers need to re-sign Mendenhall. Re-sign Dwyer as a backup. There is nothing wrong with the running backs that a healthy OL and a good offseason won't fix. Dwyer's conditioning was garbage and he needs to get his ass in shape NOW!!!

Steelers5895
02-09-2013, 04:37 PM
I guess they forgot they were a throwing team when they drafted a runningback in the first round? My thinking is they were expecting more from Ingram than a 3.9 ypc. If Ingram was a better player he would be a bigger part of the offense. In the NFL most teams build around the talent they have- so if the Saints say that Ingram is not a feature back I will trust that because it is a well run organization. You really think he would be splitting carries if he was the next LT?

Yeah... let's trade a ProBowl OLB in Woodley for a guy who hasn't even sniffed a 1000 yard season.

Woodley will retire as the Steelers all-time sack leader... unless he gets traded for a middle-of-the pack running back.



You mean other than Mendenhall who averaged 1100 yards and 10 touchdowns on 4.1 ypc per season in the 3 years he was healthy?

---The bottom line is the Steelers need to re-sign Mendenhall. Re-sign Dwyer as a backup. There is nothing wrong with the running backs that a healthy OL and a good offseason won't fix. Dwyer's conditioning was garbage and he needs to get his ass in shape NOW!!!

i recommend you watch some games next season to get an understanding of football.

Ever think in their system Ingram didnt pan out? Kind of like Hood or Cameron in ours?

as for Woodley being a pro bowl linebacker? what on earth does the pro bowl mean? how about he was never an All Pro.

again, watch the games and learn a little about the game

Steelers5895
02-09-2013, 04:42 PM
Honestly until we actually focus on one RB to be our starter and not making that person a 3rd stringer after fumbling once, it would be a waste to get Ingram or even Lacey.

And our O-Line still needs to be better.

Our running back situation was poorly handled last year. Redman and Dwyer are not feature backs and Mendy may have been rushed back from his injury. he is not AP.

Mendy, not sure what the deal is. I never looked at him as a top 10 back but felt he was serviceable and productive. He wasnt the type of RB to close out a game and he seems to fumble at the worst times (holds the ball bad for a back)

I have no issue with him coming back at the right price but I think his antics soured the organization.

pczach
02-09-2013, 04:51 PM
I guess they forgot they were a throwing team when they drafted a runningback in the first round? My thinking is they were expecting more from Ingram than a 3.9 ypc. If Ingram was a better player he would be a bigger part of the offense. In the NFL most teams build around the talent they have- so if the Saints say that Ingram is not a feature back I will trust that because it is a well run organization. You really think he would be splitting carries if he was the next LT?

Yeah... let's trade a ProBowl OLB in Woodley for a guy who hasn't even sniffed a 1000 yard season.

Woodley will retire as the Steelers all-time sack leader... unless he gets traded for a middle-of-the pack running back.



You mean other than Mendenhall who averaged 1100 yards and 10 touchdowns on 4.1 ypc per season in the 3 years he was healthy?

---The bottom line is the Steelers need to re-sign Mendenhall. Re-sign Dwyer as a backup. There is nothing wrong with the running backs that a healthy OL and a good offseason won't fix. Dwyer's conditioning was garbage and he needs to get his ass in shape NOW!!!

I agree with almost all of this. Trading Woodley for an unproven and/or underperforming back is just silly. You're right about Mendenhall's talent. He's our only dynamic back. He's the only back that has the speed to run outside and is the only home run threat they have. He's also better in the passing game and is better in space. It's just his head I'm worried about.

lloydwoodson
02-09-2013, 05:17 PM
i recommend you watch some games next season to get an understanding of football.

Ever think in their system Ingram didnt pan out? Kind of like Hood or Cameron in ours?

as for Woodley being a pro bowl linebacker? what on earth does the pro bowl mean? how about he was never an All Pro.

again, watch the games and learn a little about the game

Heyward is an amazing player. He is going to be a leader on the defense for years. He is not out of position at all he is a stud 3-4 DE.

Woodley being a ProBowler means he was one of the 2 best players in his conference at his position that year. It's just a nice feather in his cap... like being named 82nd best player in the NFL by his peers in 2011.

Woodley averages 12 sacks per 16 games for his career and you want to trade him for a guy who ran for 600 yards last year. :rofl:

How has Reggie Bush done with the Dolphins? Has he suddenly emerged as a Probowler? :blah: Miami is using him wrong too! He is a 2000 yard back in the right system!

Cajun steeler
02-09-2013, 05:38 PM
I'm live in the NO area. They don't use him enough. I miss the days when team used one rb and a 3rd down back. Emmit , Jerome and LT. Now its use this one and then that one. Rb get better the more u use them

Steelers5895
02-09-2013, 06:21 PM
Heyward is an amazing player. He is going to be a leader on the defense for years. He is not out of position at all he is a stud 3-4 DE.

Woodley being a ProBowler means he was one of the 2 best players in his conference at his position that year. It's just a nice feather in his cap... like being named 82nd best player in the NFL by his peers in 2011.

Woodley averages 12 sacks per 16 games for his career and you want to trade him for a guy who ran for 600 yards last year. :rofl:

How has Reggie Bush done with the Dolphins? Has he suddenly emerged as a Probowler? :blah: Miami is using him wrong too! He is a 2000 yard back in the right system!

watch the games

Twentyvalve
02-09-2013, 07:51 PM
I remember seeing some graphic during at game. They showed the space he could cover in 2 seconds (or something like that) based on his height and reach. It was the size of a rail boxcar. Insane. If Ben had that . . . . .

Rick5895
02-10-2013, 05:41 AM
With the exception of Adrian Petersen(todays NFL) a RB needs a decent OL. Our has struggled the last few years. A new OL coach will hopefully fix that. Bicknell prefers the zone blocking scheme which requires a RB to have vision and be able to cut then go, Mendy is that type of back. But we may lose him in free agency but if we are able to keep him he would excel in that type of line blocking scheme.
I think Ingram is under utilized in N.O. He is the type of back who needs to get 20 plus carries a game to be effective. He has good feet and may be a decent back in the future, however, this team is better off drafting kid in the mid rounds (Latimore or Gillisee) than trading for some other teams under utilized player. We struck lightening in a bottle with Jerome, but the Saints aren't the Rams and are not going to let a talented player leave via trade because they have "too" many backs.

AgentGold007
02-10-2013, 09:27 AM
17 is too high

if we move back in rd 1 and he is there great.

wont be there in rd 2 when we pcik unless we move up

Never said take him in the first, just said I'd rather draft him (Lacey) than sign Ingram. For what it's worth I've seen plenty of mock drafts that have him dropping to the Steelers in the second. If he's not available, I'll take Gillislee, Ball, or Taylor in whichever round their value dictates.

lloydwoodson
02-10-2013, 02:57 PM
Never said take him in the first, just said I'd rather draft him than sign Ingram. For what it's worth I've seen plenty of mock drafts that have him dropping to the Steelers in the second. If he's not available, I'll take Gillislee, Ball, or Taylor in whichever round their value dictates.

You are absolutely right.

LVSteelersfan
02-10-2013, 06:05 PM
Woodley is going nowhere. I have a feeling he has something to prove and will come into camp in shape and ready to play this year. Ingram is a stiff. Pretty simple to figure that out. Don't have to watch the games to know that Ingram never plays. He never plays for a reason. He sucks.

wwhickok
02-10-2013, 07:35 PM
17 is too high

if we move back in rd 1 and he is there great.

wont be there in rd 2 when we pcik unless we move up

There are some good options at RB, no reason to move up, or move back to get one.

Steel95
02-10-2013, 08:43 PM
Trade down and pick him up in round #2, or wait further in the draft.

scottcurtis
02-10-2013, 10:46 PM
Id rather have Ahmad Bradshaw.