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Hawaii 5-0
02-17-2013, 12:46 PM
Robinson: Teo, Steelers could be perfect couple

By Alan Robinson
Published: Sunday, February 17, 2013

He is an acknowledged leader, an instinctive player who isn't a project but a producer. He was primarily responsible for the long-awaited turnaround of college football's classic program, a feat perhaps even more befitting of a Hollywood movie than Rudy.

He would seem to be the prototypical Steelers player. He fits one of their biggest needs. And he could be available at No. 17 when the Steelers make their first-round draft pick on April 25.

If only there wasn't the asterisk beside the name of Manti Te'o that, in the aftermath of the recent revelation that the girlfriend he talked about for months was fictional, has raised considerable questions about the Notre Dame linebacker's previously unquestioned character and judgment.

How well or how poorly Te'o begins to erase that asterisk will be one of the most-watched stories at the NFL Scouting Combine that begins this week in Indianapolis. And, no doubt, the Steelers will be among those watching.

Several mock drafts have the Steelers choosing Te'o, who is ranked by many draft evaluators between the 15th and 25th best player available.

It has nothing to do with the off-field stuff. It's where he grades out as a player, said ESPN draft expert Todd McShay, who said earlier projections putting Te'o in the top five were much too high. That's one of the questions: Can he be a really good third-down or passing-down linebacker? I think this year helped him, the seven interceptions. ... He was quicker this year because he took off some weight. You can tell he was moving better than he had in years past.

Even with the Steelers' multiple needs wide receiver, defensive line, secondary, offensive line it might make sense for them to choose an inside linebacker. A year ago they almost certainly would have gone for Dont'a Hightower had David DeCastro not unexpectedly fallen into their laps.

The Steelers badly need inside linebackers, even if 2012 third-round pick Sean Spence returns from his serious training camp knee injury and is ready for the start of the season.

Larry Foote probably won't come back after being one of the NFL's lowest-graded linebackers last season. And backups Brandon Johnson and Stevenson Sylvester could leave via free agency.

Of course, should the Steelers choose Te'o, he would be hounded by questions at least at first by the fake girlfriend story and how he kept it going even after he knew it was a hoax.

But once the season started, all that would fade, and it would matter only if Te'o can play. And while he is a natural middle linebacker a position the Steelers don't have in Dick LeBeau's 3-4 defense he would seem to be a good fit for what they do. Notre Dame also ran a 3-4.

ESPN analyst Mel Kiper Jr. thinks Te'o would be a good fit as Ray Lewis' replacement in Baltimore. Kiper thinks he could be gone before the Steelers choose.

You love the ball skills, the instincts getting there, McShay said. I like him as a player. I think he's a really good player, but I don't think he's a (49ers linebacker) Patrick Willis, that kind of value in a player in terms of the athleticism and the complete game. I don't even think he's a (Panthers linebacker) Luke Kuechly in terms of the complete game. And that's why I have him in the mid-to-late first-round range.

That's where the Steelers draft. And if it hadn't been for the phantom girlfriend and all the questions about Te'o's judgment and maturity that the unsightly mess created, he and the Steelers would appear to be the perfect couple.

A perfect real-life couple.

http://triblive.com/sports/nfl/3472071-74/steelers-player-linebacker#ixzz2LAxzUhbC

kan_t
02-17-2013, 12:51 PM
Unlike most of the people here, I wouldn't mind if the Steelers pick him at #17.

Unless Jarvis Jones is available. :mad:

Fire Arians
02-17-2013, 12:52 PM
i wouldn't be against that. however i was kind of hoping on spence making a recovery and impact, though that was a gruesome injury

pete74
02-17-2013, 01:31 PM
I wouldn't complain. I would rather have a pass rusher in the 1st but as long as we don'tgrab another end or lineman iI wouldn't complain

AgentGold007
02-17-2013, 01:51 PM
He's still the same player he was before all of his Jerry Springer drama got started. Regardless of that, I'd still take him. He'd come to camp having to compete with Spence, who is an inexperienced, undersized linebacker coming off a terrible season-ending injury, and the oft-injured, underachieving Stevenson Sylvester. Chances are Te'o could start day one. That's great value. I'm pretty sure if we are too turned off by his soap opera to draft him, the ravens won't be.

steeltheone
02-17-2013, 01:52 PM
I love the Teo' pick! Spence has many many questions even before the injury.

lipps83
02-17-2013, 02:38 PM
I love the Teo' pick! Spence has many many questions even before the injury.

Exactly. I hope Spence can exceed expectations, but as there were questions before he even got hurt, now there are even more.

I would love to get Teo and a safety in the first two rounds. I just don't know what quality safeties would be there for us in round 2. If we do draft Teo, I would like to see the Steelers try to move up and grab one of the better safeties in the 2nd.

I think a top safety is more important to this defense than a top linebacker, but Teo might be a too-good-to-pass-up opportunity.

sluggermatt15
02-17-2013, 04:21 PM
Unlike most of the people here, I wouldn't mind if the Steelers pick him at #17.

Unless Jarvis Jones is available. :mad:

Jones is probably a top 10, if not top 5 pick. Highly doubt he will be available past that. Steelers would have to trade up to get him. Don't see it happening, unfortunately.

Is Te'O even first round worthy? He didn't look that great in the National Champ Game against Alabama.

sexyllama
02-17-2013, 04:25 PM
Teo was completely owned in the NC. He couldn't shed blocks and he continually was blocked and run over at the point of attack and at the second level by pulling guards, center and TE's.

We should not pick him.

AgentGold007
02-17-2013, 04:59 PM
Teo was completely owned in the NC. He couldn't shed blocks and he continually was blocked and run over at the point of attack and at the second level by pulling guards, center and TE's.

We should not pick him.

So we should completely disregard all of his good games because of one bad game? Should we bury every player that has had a bad game? There will be awfully slim pickings after that.

OX1947
02-17-2013, 05:20 PM
Too much circus surrounding him. I doubt the Steelers get him now.

Steel_Bus_24
02-17-2013, 05:26 PM
That NCG was embarrassing...couldn't shed blocks and whiffing on open field tackles

Its more critical they kick ass with their first couple of picks this year....as they're close to being in full rebuild mode

If they can't get an elite pass rusher then Im hoping they trade back and get Elam and an additional pick

If they're really sold on Vaccaro then Id be ok with that too at 17

AgentGold007
02-17-2013, 05:53 PM
That NCG was embarrassing...couldn't shed blocks and whiffing on open field tackles

Its more critical they kick ass with their first couple of picks this year....as they're close to being in full rebuild mode

If they can't get an elite pass rusher then Im hoping they trade back and get Elam and an additional pick

If they're really sold on Vaccaro then Id be ok with that too at 17

I wouldn't have a problem with drafting Vaccaro or Elam, but we wouldn't see them on the field for another two years, since they'd be playing behind two pro-bowler's in Clark and Troy. So that would be delayed ass kicking.

El-Gonzo Jackson
02-17-2013, 06:23 PM
So we should completely disregard all of his good games because of one bad game? Should we bury every player that has had a bad game? There will be awfully slim pickings after that.

The thing is, that Te'o and Notre Dame played some pretty mediocre competition like Navy, Michigan St. Pitt, Purdue, etc. No way do I think he is worth the #17 pick. Look at his last 5 game totals....

- Pitt....7 tackles
-Boston College.....5 tackles
-Wake Forest.......6 tackles
-USC....................5 tackles
- Alabama...........10 tackles

Statistically his best game was the BCS game, where he was a non factor. Great stats against weak competiton and skipped the Senior Bowl?? I dont think he is as good as James Laurinitis or Dan Connor. 2nd round pick at best.

Steel_Bus_24
02-17-2013, 06:29 PM
I wouldn't have a problem with drafting Vaccaro or Elam, but we wouldn't see them on the field for another two years, since they'd be playing behind two pro-bowler's in Clark and Troy. So that would be delayed ass kicking.

Troy has been doing more piano playing for Head and Shoulders then playing football for the Steelers recently

I think our backup safeties will, unfortunately, once again be getting decent minutes

silver & black
02-17-2013, 07:08 PM
Te'o is overrated, IMO. Bama was as close to NFL talent as he played all year. He looked lost and very average.

AgentGold007
02-17-2013, 07:28 PM
Troy has been doing more piano playing for Head and Shoulders then playing football for the Steelers recently

I think our backup safeties will, unfortunately, once again be getting decent minutes

True indeed, Troy is hurt far more than I'd like to see, but as long as Troy is healthy, he's on the field and not Vaccaro or Elam. I'd rather have Troy Clark and Te'o on the field than Spence, Elam, and Clark.

SteelersCanada
02-17-2013, 07:31 PM
Te'o is overrated, IMO. Bama was as close to NFL talent as he played all year. He looked lost and very average.

This. I'm not interested in taking him anymore and quite honestly, he's not even the best Inside Linebacker in the draft this year. Minter, Brown and, if he pulls his head that seems to be really far up his ass, Johnson are all more intriguing prospects.

I guess the argument against this point is 'he thought his girlfriend had died and was distracted by the whole hoax thing' but I'm not buying that. I think he looked average against great competition because, frankly, they knew how to play against him.

Hawaii 5-0
02-17-2013, 08:10 PM
Jones is probably a top 10, if not top 5 pick. Highly doubt he will be available past that. Steelers would have to trade up to get him. Don't see it happening, unfortunately.


Jarvis Jones may very well be available when we draft at 1(17)...


Jarvis Jones Expected To Slide on Draft Day

Published Jan. 18, 2013
By Charlie Campbell - @draftcampbell

Georgia outside linebacker Jarvis Jones had been one of the most dominant football players in college football the past two seasons. He's destroyed the SEC for those two years, as many consider him to be one of the most talented players in the 2013 NFL Draft class. Jones is on top of my 2013 NFL Draft Big Board, as well as ESPN's Mel Kiper's.

However, after speaking with scouts at the East-West Shrine Game who have Jones in their territory, they say they expect Jones to slide down and fall out of the top five next April.

The scouts said there are a few reasons that could add up to Jones falling into the 6-10 range. First of all, the scouts said that Jones is not a good workout guy. They don't believe that he is going to test well or stand out in the Combine or pre-draft workouts. Area scouts who cover Georgia say that Jones is not a weight-room guy. He doesn't put a lot of work in during the week, but would show up on Saturday and dominate naturally.

They said that Jones is a good guy and a good teammate, but just isn't a tireless worker. As one scout said, "Don't get me wrong, if you watch his tapes you'll say he is worth being the No. 1 rated player and going in the top five of the draft. You can watch him on Saturdays and see that this guy is animal. He's clearly the best player on the field, but not a guy that you'll be in love with during the week. Add in the medical concern and with the testing, and I think he's going to slide some on Draft Day."

Jones' medical condition is a spinal stenosis that happened as a freshman at USC. On a routine hit against Oregon, Jones sustained the injury. A specialist told him he would be fine, but USC's doctors wouldn't clear him and told him he should retire from football. After transferring to Georgia, Jones broke out as one of the best players in college football.

As a junior, Jones had 85 tackles, 14.5 sacks, 24.5 tackles for a loss, seven forced fumbles, three passes broken up and one interception in 2012. Jones had massive performances against Florida and Missouri with consistently good outings all year. Jones led the nation in sacks and for the second straight season had the most sacks in the SEC.

In 2011, he tied for the second-most sacks in the nation, 13.5. He also had 70 tackles with 19.5 tackles for a loss and two forced fumbles.

Jones could be a classic example of teams overthinking the draft process. Over the history of the draft, good players have slid because of an unnecessary medical concerns or not working out well at the Combine. If Jones plays in the NFL like he did at Georgia, he'll reward whomever takes him on Draft Day with plenty of teams feeling regret.

http://www.walterfootball.com/nfldraftrumormill.php#jarvisjonesfall

TheVet
02-17-2013, 08:20 PM
So we should completely disregard all of his good games because of one bad game? Should we bury every player that has had a bad game? There will be awfully slim pickings after that.

Yes, and we should also use extreme hyperbole as we authoritatively pronounce our grand generalizations from on high. :thumbsup: Let's do it!!

Te'o is overrated, IMO. Bama was as close to NFL talent as he played all year. He looked lost and very average.

That's what I was thinking as I watched that game. Bama sure ain't Pitt.

SteelersCanada
02-17-2013, 08:34 PM
Jarvis Jones may very well be available when we draft at 1(17)...

He would if it wasn't for those pesky Saints picking 15th. Stupid Rob Ryan changing to a 3-4.

desertsteel
02-17-2013, 09:32 PM
Teo works for me. All you amateur talent evaluators need to get some Mel Kiper hair and go on ESPN.

kent
02-17-2013, 09:34 PM
Even though he had a poor last game, there is no doubt he is a hell of a football player. He has to be an upgrade compared to Foote. The only question is if Spence could be the guy as well. And as far as the whole GF thing, I dont care what you do in your private life as long as you aren't breaking the law and your play on the field is good.

kan_t
02-17-2013, 10:31 PM
He would if it wasn't for those pesky Saints picking 15th. Stupid Rob Ryan changing to a 3-4.
Let's hope they instead pick a DT which is the anchor of 3-4.

AgentGold007
02-17-2013, 11:48 PM
Yes, and we should also use extreme hyperbole as we authoritatively pronounce our grand generalizations from on high. :thumbsup: Let's do it!!

Sorry, I didn't know that statements that weren't directed towards you would trigger your low self-esteem and you would perceive it as coming "from on high". Next time I'll be more considerate of your fragile sense of self-worth.:drink:

MasterOfPuppets
02-18-2013, 02:25 AM
i think its safe to scratch alec ogletree off the steelers draft board....

Ex-Georgia LB, top prospect Alec Ogletree charged with DUI

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000139902/article/exgeorgia-lb-top-prospect-alec-ogletree-charged-with-dui

fer522
02-18-2013, 09:26 AM
i think its safe to scratch alec ogletree off the steelers draft board....

Ex-Georgia LB, top prospect Alec Ogletree charged with DUI

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000139902/article/exgeorgia-lb-top-prospect-alec-ogletree-charged-with-dui

May be now we can get him at #17:chuckle:

steelfury02
02-18-2013, 09:33 AM
i think its safe to scratch alec ogletree off the steelers draft board....

Ex-Georgia LB, top prospect Alec Ogletree charged with DUI

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000139902/article/exgeorgia-lb-top-prospect-alec-ogletree-charged-with-dui

Ed Bouchette reiterates that point on PPG+

zcoop
02-18-2013, 09:37 AM
May be now we can get him at #17:chuckle:

If we could get him a 17, it would be a great deal. This kid made a mistake that many others do, he just got caught. The incident does not mean that he's a bad pick, he can flat out play. I have watched him over the years and he will be playing well for some team on Sundays.

steelfury02
02-18-2013, 09:41 AM
If we could get him a 17, it would be a great deal. This kid made a mistake that many others do, he just got caught. The incident does not mean that he's a bad pick, he can flat out play. I have watched him over the years and he will be playing well for some team on Sundays.

if he has speed, can wrap up, and doesn't get caught in open space that often - he's a valuable asset - not my favorite personality type but neither is James Harrison's or most of the Steelers - just play (and win) please

zcoop
02-18-2013, 09:47 AM
not my favorite personality type but neither is James Harrison's or most of the Steelers - just play (and win) please

What you typed is evident in your posts, but just win.

steelfury02
02-18-2013, 09:49 AM
What you typed is evident in your posts, but just win.

your observant - nice :chuckle:

MasterOfPuppets
02-18-2013, 02:41 PM
If we could get him a 17, it would be a great deal. This kid made a mistake that many others do, he just got caught. The incident does not mean that he's a bad pick, he can flat out play. I have watched him over the years and he will be playing well for some team on Sundays.
if this were his only incident many might agree , but remember he was suspended for failing a drug test.
if millions of dollars isn't incentive enough to chill out on the illegal activities then your obviously a moron.

Hawaii 5-0
02-18-2013, 06:45 PM
Manti Te'o focused on work

Updated: February 18, 2013
By Pat Yasinskas | ESPN.com

BRADENTON, Fla. -- Those who have watched Manti Te'o prepare for the scouting combine say the former Notre Dame linebacker has shown no signs of being distracted by national media attention that came from his online relationship with a girlfriend that turned out to be a hoax.

"He missed precisely one day," said former NFL quarterback Chris Weinke, the director of football operations at IMG Academy where Te'o has been preparing for the combine. The combine starts Wednesday in Indianapolis.

"He's gone about his business and been the same guy all along," Weinke said. "I really admire that because a lot of guys his age would not be able to handle this as well as he has. I haven't seen any signs of it being a distraction and I expect him to go up to Indianapolis and have a great combine."

Te'o took part in Monday's workouts, but declined an interview request. Te'o recently divulged that he was the victim of a hoax in which he developed an online relationship with a woman who did not exist.

"Manti has been the same Manti I went to college with," former Notre Dame tight end Tyler Eifert, who also has been working out at IMG, said. "He left to do the Katie Couric interview for one day and I think he was back that same night. He's been out on the field working just like he's always worked. I've tried to be there for him, but I don't know that he's needed all that much help because he's such a strong person to begin with."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2013/story/_/id/8959851/manti-teo-working-hard-nfl-combine-approaches-official-says

steve314
02-18-2013, 08:46 PM
your obviously a moron.

Classic!

austinfrench76
02-18-2013, 11:41 PM
This would be a great pickup for us but won't happen. Eevn with all the BS he's going top 10.

lookitthaaat32
02-19-2013, 07:21 AM
I would love to get Manti at 17 and think he could be one hell of a player and leader one day. Calling him overrated because of 1 game is rediculous, especially against a team that had (arguably) the best O-Line in college football history. Did anyone see the SEC title game and how bad Jarvis Jones got owned against Bama as well? Is he overrated as well then?

Hawaii 5-0
02-23-2013, 10:06 PM
Manti Te'o Press Conference: Contrite and seemingly genuine, Te'o speaks to the media

By Neal Coolong on Feb 23

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/8604503/gyi0062453229.0_standard_500.0.jpg

Notre Dame linebacker Manti Te'o speaks to the media for the first time since news was revealed his supposed girlfriend wasn't real.

Notre Dame linebacker Manti Te'o was contrite and confident in addressing the media in a press conference held for him at the NFL Combine Saturday.

The questions surrounding him and his alleged relationship with a fake person - someone he never met - have come with an enormous level of criticism and scrutiny for the Heisman Trophy finalist.

Te'o spoke with the media for roughly 20 minutes, answering several dozen questions. He kept his answers short, and they were largely expected.

He deflected most direct questions about the incident and the follow-up questions regarding how he's handled it.

"I said all I needed to say about it. I'm handling it by just focusing on football," he said in response to the first question regarding the incident he was asked.

Te'o said he's already met with the Texans and the Packers, and he said he'll meet with 18 more teams at the Combine. He didn't say whether one of those were the Steelers, but the team does have a need for depth, if not a starter, at inside linebacker. Te'o is expected to be available when the Steelers are on the clock with the No. 17 pick.

He was asked a direct question about the possibility of being drafted by the Baltimore Ravens, and replacing LB Ray Lewis, who retired after the team's Super Bowl championship in February.

"Ray Lewis is the kind of linebacker I strive to be," he said. "He has the talent, the leadership, everything you'd want in a player. If I went there, there would be some pretty big shoes to fill, that's for sure."

It always comes down to how much of what a troubled player says is believable, against his production on the field. Obviously, no team wants the embarrassment. They don't want to invest millions in a player who's going to cost them more in bad publicity. Regardless if he's being 100 percent truthful, a team will take him in the first round if he shows he's willing to accept their guidance.

The major reason for that is, outside of the whole bizarre situation, he's never found himself in any kind of trouble. There's nothing here suggesting it's a pattern.

There's something to be said about the fact he is facing the media, even if it comes well after the incident broke. He answered everything as well as could be expected, so perhaps this boosts his stock in the eyes of most.

It will only matter to a handful of teams who will have him high on their boards, perhaps higher than where they're picking.

The linebackers will go through their drills on Monday.

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2013/2/23/4021780/manti-teo-press-conference-quotes-comments-reaction

PhantomJB93
02-23-2013, 11:31 PM
After watching his press conference, and having time since this all started to let that story settle in, I'm not really worried anymore about his leadership/honesty concerns. I've come to believe his side of the story a bit more now and am back to hoping we pick him at 17 provided somebody like Jarvis Jones doesn't fall.

SteelersCanada
02-23-2013, 11:45 PM
I'm a much bigger fan of the Steelers and Jones being a couple. Or, the Steelers and Jordan being a couple. Either one of those two relationships would be grand.

WokeUpWithaWoodley
02-24-2013, 12:56 AM
I'm a much bigger fan of the Steelers and Jones being a couple. Or, the Steelers and Jordan being a couple. Either one of those two relationships would be grand.

Idk

I think steelers wil steer clear of jones based on his injury.

Jorrdan will be out 3 months after surrgery so will take some time to get back to full strength.

With so many of us complaning about leadership and ilb teo would be a nice fit. He plays with heart something our team has been lacking. But still probably wont fall to us esp with a strong showing on monday.

Lady Steel
02-24-2013, 12:58 AM
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PhantomJB93
02-24-2013, 01:07 AM
Idk

I think steelers wil steer clear of jones based on his injury.

Jorrdan will be out 3 months after surrgery so will take some time to get back to full strength.

With so many of us complaning about leadership and ilb teo would be a nice fit. He plays with heart something our team has been lacking. But still probably wont fall to us esp with a strong showing on monday.

That's the thing though, Te'o won't have that strong a showing Monday. He's not an elite athlete, but he has elite leadership, instincts, smarts, playmaking ability. Ogletree's workouts will blow Te'o's out of the water. The combine may help him as far as interviews go in clearing up his situation but workouts almost surely will not give him any boosts.

WokeUpWithaWoodley
02-24-2013, 01:46 AM
That's the thing though, Te'o won't have that strong a showing Monday. He's not an elite athlete, but he has elite leadership, instincts, smarts, playmaking ability. Ogletree's workouts will blow Te'o's out of the water. The combine may help him as far as interviews go in clearing up his situation but workouts almost surely will not give him any boosts.

I agree wwith you we just gotta wait and see cause you never know.

However he will excel in the positional drills, and probably be average in the speed agility drills. Again he could suprise some people monday just gotta wait and see then evalute.

Millers the sh!t
02-24-2013, 09:32 AM
Teo was completely owned in the NC. He couldn't shed blocks and he continually was blocked and run over at the point of attack and at the second level by pulling guards, center and TE's.

We should not pick him.

Pride fan sexyllama?

scottcurtis
02-25-2013, 01:29 AM
great ...ben will be accused of raping his imaginary girlfriend !

teegre
02-25-2013, 01:31 AM
great ...ben will be accused of raping his imaginary girlfriend !

Now THAT was funny. :applaudit:

Hawaii 5-0
02-25-2013, 03:53 PM
Manti T'eo ran a 4.8 and 4.81 40 yards dash, he will definitely still be available when we pick after running those two pedestrian 40 times...

GoFor7
02-25-2013, 03:57 PM
I would think the Steelers need an outside rusher more than another guy inside.

harrison'samonster
02-25-2013, 04:11 PM
I would think the Steelers need an outside rusher more than another guy inside.

I agree, but Colbert has hinted that he believes Worilds is good enough to take over for Harrison.

DanRooney
02-25-2013, 04:20 PM
I agree, but Colbert has hinted that he believes Worilds is good enough to take over for Harrison.

Colbert says a lot of stupid things.

austinfrench76
02-25-2013, 04:24 PM
We definitely DO NOT need another LB that runs a 4.8+. I can just see it now, he slips to us at 17, great draft ON PAPER, and then the season comes and he can't keep up with a TE to save his life! I like him and actually feel kinda bad for the kid but after this time, I would pass. He will look like Harrison and Foote trailing right behind PIta or Gresham.

SteelersCanada
02-25-2013, 04:31 PM
I hear a Linebackers talent is based on his 40 time and his vertical jump.

FrancoLambert
02-25-2013, 05:51 PM
The more I see of Te'o, the more I'm believing he's more hype than substance.

harrison'samonster
02-25-2013, 06:04 PM
I hear a Linebackers talent is based on his 40 time and his vertical jump.

you could say that about the secondary and WRs as well. Honestly the main question is how do they play? Remember there are always work-out warriors who look great but there's always going to be somebody else who just plays great football.

Who was the DE we signed undrafted from Ohio State back in 06 or 05 that could bench 600 lbs and we were going to convert into a LB. I guess he had ankle injuries or something that ruined his career, but while his strength made him look like a great asset he never made it on the field.

SteelersCanada
02-25-2013, 06:28 PM
you could say that about the secondary and WRs as well. Honestly the main question is how do they play? Remember there are always work-out warriors who look great but there's always going to be somebody else who just plays great football.

At least with WRs and CBs they'd be running 40+ yards on streak routes either trying to cover or trying to get separation using speed. I mean, honestly, when is a Linebacker going to be running 40 yards down the field to make a play? Like Akbar Gbajabiamila said earlier today - the most a 'Backer is going to run to make a tackle / play is 20 yards and even that seems high.

I can see why WRs and CBs speed would be taken into account before drafting them, I honestly can. It's just funny to me that people are judging this kid by his 40 time and his vertical jump. When would that ever play a factor in terms of his ability to stuff the run or make a play in the backfield? Does it show he would struggle against TEs and slot WRs? Sure, I suppose. I think you hit the nail on the head, though - it comes down to whether or not they can play ball. Even that is up in the air for Te'o now, though.

It's not a 4.8, but Beason and Bowman both ran 4.7. Speed ≠ talent and football ability, guys. Keep that in mind.

WokeUpWithaWoodley
02-25-2013, 07:27 PM
The difference between a 4.7 and 4.8 is a so small. Even 4.6 to 4.8 is 2 fractions of a second not that much. Even so you expect linebackers to be between 4.6 and 4.8 so he was where he was suppose to be. I wouldn't make much from it I didn't expect him to be a 4.6 guy and the scouts didn't either.

All that matters is what he does on the field and the tape shows he excels on the field.

Given the reports on spence, we can't count on him for 2013 and his career could be done. If he doesone back he won't be what he was. So our depth ilb is bad.

With everyone wanting a ilb next to Timmons that can cover/drop in coverage what would you guys think about moving Timmons. What I mean is in the 3-4 you got the Mack and buck in the middle, Timmons right now Is the Mack and the job of the Mack is to play sideline to sideline cover rbs and tight ends and drop in zone - usually guys faster and more althetic. Buck is the signal caller for the defense and main job is to control the run game and blitz more than the Mack.

We all want Timmons to blitz more and wreck the oline more and more well as of right now that's not his job so if Timmons is able to call the defense I would like to see him move over to the buck and draft a Mack guy with the cover skills. We can't keep Timmons in the Mack and draft a cover guy for the buck its just not how the defense is designed. So if we draft a guy like teo or other bigger backers expect Timmons to still have the same role as last year.

pete74
02-25-2013, 07:32 PM
We definitely DO NOT need another LB that runs a 4.8+. I can just see it now, he slips to us at 17, great draft ON PAPER, and then the season comes and he can't keep up with a TE to save his life! I like him and actually feel kinda bad for the kid but after this time, I would pass. He will look like Harrison and Foote trailing right behind PIta or Gresham.

London Fletcher ran a 4.85.

kan_t
02-25-2013, 08:51 PM
Jerry Rice ran 4.7 in the combine.

El-Gonzo Jackson
02-25-2013, 09:01 PM
Said it all before, he is no better than James Laurinitis or Dan Connor. 2nd round talent at best. He couldn't catch Maurice Clarett in a foot race. All a product of Notre Dame hype .