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Fire Haley
03-19-2013, 09:03 AM
PHOENIX — Offensive line, defensive line, bottom line.

Ask which factors more into the Steelers' success — or, this past season, a lack thereof — and general manager Kevin Colbert might waver a moment.

He's heard the chatter how the an 8-8 season in 2012 foreshadows a decline — perhaps matching that of the 1970s-era Steelers after they got old yet were kept mostly intact — that will be difficult to avoid because of money borrowed against the salary cap in future seasons. One example is the $4.3 million worth of dead money in Willie Colon's contract that will count against the cap in 2014.

Given that the Steelers went 12-4 in three of the previous four seasons, Colbert probably doesn't believe he must defend their accounting practices to anyone, especially given that cap expert Omar Khan's work is so recognized around the NFL that he has been interviewed multiple times for general managers' jobs.

For example: To provide minimal cap room, the Steelers cleared $29 million by reworking the contracts of Antonio Brown, Ben Roethlisberger, Lawrence Timmons and LaMarr Woodley, and by releasing James Harrison and Colon.

During a stopover at the annual NFL meetings that lasted barely 24 hours for him, Colbert — who is back on the road evaluating college players — said the team monitors every dollar owed not just this season and in 2014, but in 2015 and beyond.

“You're always concerned,” Colbert said. “One of the jobs Omar has, we have to keep a balance sheet … we try to go four years out. You want to make sure guys on long-term contracts or have monies pushed forward, those players will be able to see that money out and you can handle the money you pushed forward. You've got to be careful, because the money doesn't disappear and, at some point, it's going to count.”

Roethlisberger, for example, is renegotiating his contract almost annually, and it is causing money to stack up against future caps. His contract counts $13.595 million against the cap this season, but that rises to $17.895 million in 2014 and also counts $17.395 million against the '15 cap.

And the Steelers already have more than $34 million counting against their 2016 cap because of the restructured deals of Woodley, Timmons and Brown

Constantly pushing money forward can limit their ability to be players for proven free-agent talent.

If the Steelers were interested in adding Elvis Dumervil and Jake Long, as was rumored at the meetings, those deals would have counted tens of millions of dollars against future caps.

As a result, Mike Tomlin knows he can't go window shopping at the Arizona meetings the way some coaches can.

“We desire to assemble the very best team we can assemble, but obviously we deal in a world of realism — we have (constraints) from a salary-cap standpoint that could limit some of those thoughts,” Tomlin said. “I'm not a big dreamer in that regard and (don't) spend a lot of time looking at things that aren't practical. I approach it from the mindset of what's available to us (in free agency) and how that (meshes) with the draft talent.”

http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/3680796-74/cap-steelers-money#axzz2NzWH0wmo

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nothing shocking there, so I guess we keep pushing Ben's cap numbers into the future until he retires

Terminator
03-19-2013, 11:21 AM
"The standard is the standard is the standard is the standard" - Mike "Big Money" Tomlin

Fire Haley
03-19-2013, 11:30 AM
Roethlisberger His contract counts $13.595 million against the cap this season, but that rises to $17.895 million in 2014 and also counts $17.395 million against the '15 cap.


And the Steelers already have more than $34 million counting against their 2016 cap because of the restructured deals of Woodley, Timmons and Brown



that can't be good

Terminator
03-19-2013, 11:32 AM
Roethlisberger His contract counts $13.595 million against the cap this season, but that rises to $17.895 million in 2014 and also counts $17.395 million against the '15 cap.


And the Steelers already have more than $34 million counting against their 2016 cap because of the restructured deals of Woodley, Timmons and Brown



that can't be good

It's common knowledge that the Steelers are fucked for the next few years.

Any promising rookie we develop will be gone. We can't afford them.

Fire Haley
03-19-2013, 11:33 AM
It's common knowledge that the Steelers are fucked for the next few years..

it's better for the bitter clingers to see it in black and white

Any promising rookie we develop will be gone. We can't afford them.


A purge a year is what we got coming

ebsteelers
03-19-2013, 11:36 AM
trade ben start bruceee.

trade woodley start chris carter.



0-16... draft clowney.,.. super bowl champs in 2015

Vis
03-19-2013, 11:40 AM
We will have a purge when Ben is done and the window closes. Until then, if they're healthy they're in the race. Sounds good to me. We're spoiled.

Fire Haley
03-19-2013, 11:50 AM
We will have a purge when Ben is done and the window closes. .



Some might say the window slammed closed last year and we're now using putty and tape to repair the gaps and cracks of what's left.

SteelersCanada
03-19-2013, 12:01 PM
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2013/03/coo-coo-ca-choo-alan-robinson-steelers-future-cap-woes-not-as-bad-as-you-show/

Get off the bridge. Enough of this doom and gloom shit.

Fire Haley
03-19-2013, 12:06 PM
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2013/03/coo-coo-ca-choo-alan-robinson-steelers-future-cap-woes-not-as-bad-as-you-show/

Get off the bridge. Enough of this doom and gloom shit.


so according to that article Troy and Ike will be leaving for sure next year?

interesting

SteelersCanada
03-19-2013, 12:15 PM
so according to that article Troy and Ike will be leaving for sure next year?

interesting

He's trying to show that we're not in the terrible situation that Robinson says we're in. That article, like many written about the Steelers, was written for headline purposes to grab readers. He got numbers wrong and is just assuming that this is the roster we're going to have going into 2016. He acts like there's not going to be any releases and/or future restructures.

Or, he's full of shit.

steeltheone
03-19-2013, 12:16 PM
so according to that article Troy and Ike will be leaving for sure next year?

interesting

I don't see Troy ever playing anywhere else. I think he understands the " lifetime " Steeler benefits. I believe he invested his money right and will want to spend time with family at a younger age.

Ike is on the downside of his career. He could possibly strike a last deal elswhere.

Fire Haley
03-19-2013, 12:17 PM
Or, he's full of shit.

let's hope so


he's scaring the herd

teegre
03-19-2013, 03:10 PM
so according to that article Troy and Ike will be leaving for sure next year?

interesting

That is why Troy is not restructuring... the rumor is that he's going to retire after this season.

tanda10506
03-19-2013, 03:17 PM
Some might say the window slammed closed last year and we're now using putty and tape to repair the gaps and cracks of what's left.

I would agree with that. This group of guys, as sad as it is to say, are done. Ben may have what it takes still to win a SB ( his 3 game ending pick 6's this year would say otherwise), but there are few vets left and they have dropped off tremendously due to age. That's not to say the window is shut on the team, it's just shut on that era. The last 2 years were the last chances for that group to get a SB, that time has passed. But as that era ends there is a possibility that a new one can begin. If the FO and our young players shit the bed, then we will be in for a long 4 or 5 years, HOWEVER, with Ben still here and the right draft picks, a new era can begin in just a few months. It's a real turning point.

On a side note, I'm not to knowledgeable on contracts, how much would it cost the team if they cut Ben with his final 2 years or even 1 year left on his contract? I'm not in favor of doing that, I'm just wondering why players would agree to renegotiate to have their biggest pay at the end of the contract if the team is able to cut them at the end to save money.

harrison'samonster
03-19-2013, 03:20 PM
On a side note, I'm not to knowledgeable on contracts, how much would it cost the team if they cut Ben with his final 2 years or even 1 year left on his contract? I'm not in favor of doing that, I'm just wondering why players would agree to renegotiate to have their biggest pay at the end of the contract if the team is able to cut them at the end to save money.

I think they renegotiatie in order to get more garaunteed money. I don't know anything about what we'd have to pay to cut Ben either.

Fire Haley
03-19-2013, 05:02 PM
I would agree with that. This group of guys, as sad as it is to say, are done. Ben may have what it takes still to win a SB ( his 3 game ending pick 6's this year would say otherwise), but there are few vets left and they have dropped off tremendously due to age. That's not to say the window is shut on the team, it's just shut on that era. The last 2 years were the last chances for that group to get a SB, that time has passed. But as that era ends there is a possibility that a new one can begin. If the FO and our young players shit the bed, then we will be in for a long 4 or 5 years, HOWEVER, with Ben still here and the right draft picks, a new era can begin in just a few months. It's a real turning point.
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More Good Ben, less Bad Ben would help. Stop playing with the baby, tell your aorta it's fine and get back to work.

can I get an Amen?

On defense there will be falloffs, but with the way the league is anymore, defenses don't have to be dominant - they just need turnovers - and our DB's suck at getting them - just change that and we're back in business scaring QB's.

Still, it's a passing league and you better be able to score in the redzone, Steelers have sucked at that too, lately.

Gotta get better, I don't care how. just do it.