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The_Joker
03-21-2013, 08:30 PM
Fuck the Rats, they're done for. Everyone seems to miss our real competitors this year.

The Bengals.

Their 10-6, younger, getting better, have crazy cash in the bank and punched us in the mouth last year. The Steelers need to watch their asses, the Bengals ARE better than us right now.

VaDave
03-21-2013, 08:33 PM
The Browns are going to be a tough out too.

harrison'samonster
03-21-2013, 08:34 PM
Fuck the Rats, they're done for. Everyone seems to miss our real competitors this year.

The Bengals.

Their 10-6, younger, getting better, have crazy cash in the bank and punched us in the mouth last year. The Steelers need to watch their asses, the Bengals ARE better than us right now.

I don't think they're better than us, but we'll have to wait and see next year. they beat us 13-10 sure, but look at who we had on the field.

harrison'samonster
03-21-2013, 08:34 PM
The Browns are going to be a tough out too.

I agree. I think the North over all is going to be difficult again. I'm not counting any of them out

The_Joker
03-21-2013, 08:35 PM
The Browns are going to be a tough out too.

Perhaps, but they need to build. Cincy's been on our tail for 2 years now.

AFC wise, the Patriots, Broncos and Texans will be hard to beat. I say 4th seed for us.

Sharkissle29
03-21-2013, 08:37 PM
Perhaps, but they need to build. Cincy's been on our tail for 2 years now.

AFC wise, the Patriots, Broncos and Texans will be hard to beat. I say 4th seed for us.

The Broncos by far are the team to beat...

harrison'samonster
03-21-2013, 08:38 PM
The Broncos by far are the team to beat...

I said the same thing last year. I think they're a safe pick again this year. Hard to count them out, especially with the additions they've been making

steelfury02
03-21-2013, 08:47 PM
I said the same thing last year. I think they're a safe pick again this year. Hard to count them out, especially with the additions they've been making

agree - they're my AFC fave - I actually think the Cheatriots are taking a half step back this season with Welker gone - that is a definite power shift IMO

SteelersCanada
03-21-2013, 08:48 PM
They have cash in the bank they didn't spend. I think their offense is ridiculously overrated with Green being the only true threat on the field but hey, I'm also a little biased. Andy Dalton doesn't scare me and he never will.

agree - they're my AFC fave - I actually think the Cheatriots are taking a half step back this season with Welker gone - that is a definite power shift IMO

Tom Brady made Welker who he is. Amendola is faster, stronger and runs better routes than Welker does and not to mention, has better hands. If anything, a lot of fans see Danny as an upgrade over Welker. All of that is moot, though, as Brady is still the Quarterback. They're going to be competing for the number one spot again as long as he's under center.

steelfury02
03-21-2013, 08:56 PM
They have cash in the bank they didn't spend. I think their offense is ridiculously overrated with Green being the only true threat on the field but hey, I'm also a little biased. Andy Dalton doesn't scare me and he never will.



Tom Brady made Welker who he is. Amendola is faster, stronger and runs better routes than Welker does and not to mention, has better hands. If anything, a lot of fans see Danny as an upgrade over Welker. All of that is moot, though, as Brady is still the Quarterback. They're going to be competing for the number one spot again as long as he's under center.

good points - I still say Broncos will be the better team because Peyton took extremely average receivers and made them look good as well - now he has Welker on top of it - I still give advantage to Manning and Broncos with acquiring him

harrison'samonster
03-21-2013, 08:58 PM
I think Broncos are the better over-all team at this point. If the play in NE in the winter though all bets are off.

SteelersCanada
03-21-2013, 09:00 PM
I think Broncos are the better over-all team at this point. If the play in NE in the winter though all bets are off.

Fuckin' Tom Brady in the snow. What the hell makes him so good in blizzards? It's like he thrives in it.

steelfury02
03-21-2013, 09:04 PM
Fuckin' Tom Brady in the snow. What the hell makes him so good in blizzards? It's like he thrives in it.

was it their 07' season in their throw-backs where they put up a 50 burger in the snow?

the 4 horsemen would arrive if our offense ever put 40 on anyone, let alone 50

JackH
03-21-2013, 09:16 PM
They have cash in the bank they didn't spend. I think their offense is ridiculously overrated with Green being the only true threat on the field but hey, I'm also a little biased. Andy Dalton doesn't scare me and he never will.


I'm surprised they didn't spend more of that cash on free agents. Somebody like Greg Jennings to go with A.J. Green would have worried me some. Or Wes Welker.

I also wonder why they didn't keep Bruce Gradowski, especially since the Steelers have him now. The only backup they have on their roster now as far as I know is Zac Robinson, who has never played in a regular season game. No doubt they'll get somebody else, but why not keep Gradowski?

STEELMANIAK
03-21-2013, 09:22 PM
He's right, what have we exactly done this off season to "improve" our team? In my opinion we have had way more negatives than positives.

NSMaster56
03-21-2013, 09:22 PM
OP is right. The Bengals are the team to 'watch out for'.

That said, so long as Dalton is merely 'above average' the Steelers can handle them.

Of course, everyone said/thought the same thing about Flacco and the Ravens, so... grain of salt and such.

harrison'samonster
03-21-2013, 09:30 PM
I'm surprised they didn't spend more of that cash on free agents. Somebody like Greg Jennings to go with A.J. Green would have worried me some. Or Wes Welker.

I also wonder why they didn't keep Bruce Gradowski, especially since the Steelers have him now. The only backup they have on their roster now as far as I know is Zac Robinson, who has never played in a regular season game. No doubt they'll get somebody else, but why not keep Gradowski?

good point. I don't think they've signed any new players during Free Agency.

Steelers5895
03-21-2013, 09:56 PM
yeah its the bengals. we may be the weakest division next year. The ravens and brown will be 7-9 or worse, we can be 10-6 or 6-10 and the bengals will be good.

actually i think the chiefs are the best team in the afc. they had 6 pro bowlers last year and added a QB, wr, te, defensive help, have #1 pick overall AND andy reid.

Hawaii 5-0
03-21-2013, 10:00 PM
The Browns are going to be a tough out too.

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JackH
03-21-2013, 10:26 PM
OP is right. The Bengals are the team to 'watch out for'.

That said, so long as Dalton is merely 'above average' the Steelers can handle them.

Of course, everyone said/thought the same thing about Flacco and the Ravens, so... grain of salt and such.

The Steelers did handle Flacco and the Ravens. Beat them once with a backup and lost by 3 with another backup. Just imagine if Ben had played that Week 11 game against the Ratbirds at Heinz Field instead of Leftwich. Had the Steelers won that game, it would have been Pittsburgh in the playoffs instead of Baltimore.

wootawnee
03-21-2013, 10:52 PM
good points - I still say Broncos will be the better team because Peyton took extremely average receivers and made them look good as well - now he has Welker on top of it - I still give advantage to Manning and Broncos with acquiring him

You mean the same ones Tebow smoked us with?.... Those guys are GOOD man!?!? , and they are way more physical than anything Payton ever had....

wootawnee
03-21-2013, 11:01 PM
was it their 07' season in their throw-backs where they put up a 50 burger in the snow?

the 4 horsemen would arrive if our offense ever put 40 on anyone, let alone 50

That is all bullshit con-strewed meaningless points that classless/heartless men, (reminds me of Longshank who cut up William Wallace), who run up unnecessary points when the games at hand.....

The STEELERS are an organization of real men with heart, dignity,compassion and character, who chose to run the clock out and end the game when its well at hand, not run up the score and be a egotistical points champion.....

Look how CLASSLESS Robert Craft was this weekend talking about Welker and Brady.... True colors....

OliverPoop
03-21-2013, 11:33 PM
That is all bullshit con-strewed meaningless points that classless/heartless men, (reminds me of Longshank who cut up William Wallace), who run up unnecessary points when the games at hand.....

The STEELERS are an organization of real men with heart, dignity,compassion and character, who chose to run the clock out and end the game when its well at hand, not run up the score and be a egotistical points champion.....

Look how CLASSLESS Robert Craft was this weekend talking about Welker and Brady.... True colors....

Remember that folks the next time the Steelers can't put away an easy opponent. It's not that the Steelers suck, it's just that they're so damn classy and compassionate.

Teams should be honored we let them lose.

steeltheone
03-22-2013, 01:24 AM
yeah its the bengals. we may be the weakest division next year. The ravens and brown will be 7-9 or worse, we can be 10-6 or 6-10 and the bengals will be good.

actually i think the chiefs are the best team in the afc. they had 6 pro bowlers last year and added a QB, wr, te, defensive help, have #1 pick overall AND andy reid.

Alex Smith will not fair much better than Matt Cassell

desertsteel
03-22-2013, 01:27 AM
Fuck the Rats, they're done for. Everyone seems to miss our real competitors this year.

The Bengals.

Their 10-6, younger, getting better, have crazy cash in the bank and punched us in the mouth last year. The Steelers need to watch their asses, the Bengals ARE better than us right now.
Really? I'm selling not buying this one. Ravens either. I think the AFC North drops back to mediocrity.

Steeler7BR
03-22-2013, 01:47 AM
You all act like the Begals were a dominant team last year, No they were not. No shot in the playoffs, WE were the better team. They made no improvements due to anything in the offseason. So why should they be that scarier then last year?

What we should care about is US. I see huge step baks that we're making this offseason with no improvements whatsoever. Let's face it we have a good D-line in place if they can perform like last year. We have a shaky Linebacking core, a good Secondary, a good Quarterback, no Running Game at all and too little talent in our Receiving core. Let's face it that group wont bring championships. We have no dominating Offense in place, we have a good Defense, but a main part in a 3-4 defense are Linebackers and we lack talent their. With the draft upcomming we have a lot of holes to fix here so for everybody who expects a good year, don't be so sure there!

desertsteel
03-22-2013, 02:00 AM
You all act like the Begals were a dominant team last year, No they were not. No shot in the playoffs, WE were the better team. They made no improvements due to anything in the offseason. So why should they be that scarier then last year?

What we should care about is US. I see huge step baks that we're making this offseason with no improvements whatsoever. Let's face it we have a good D-line in place if they can perform like last year. We have a shaky Linebacking core, a good Secondary, a good Quarterback, no Running Game at all and too little talent in our Receiving core. Let's face it that group wont bring championships. We have no dominating Offense in place, we have a good Defense, but a main part in a 3-4 defense are Linebackers and we lack talent their. With the draft upcomming we have a lot of holes to fix here so for everybody who expects a good year, don't be so sure there!
Yeah? Who thought Harrison was gonna be able to carry Porter's jockstrap? I see us going 12-4 next year if Ben stays reasonably healthy.

lookitthaaat32
03-22-2013, 04:33 AM
Remember that folks the next time the Steelers can't put away an easy opponent. It's not that the Steelers suck, it's just that they're so damn classy and compassionate.

Teams should be honored we let them lose.

lol aint that the truth. Looking at this past season in both wins and losses, the margin came by 7 points or less! Which means one more completion there, one less fumble there, one more stop on 3rd down, one less penalty negating a long punt return and we would've won most of our games (which also means we could've lost many more games if our opponents had done just a bit more as well).

The Steelers just basically need to do ONE THING only - score more points and start by doing that in the first half not the 4th quarter come-from-behind or final drive approach they've adopted and have gotten so comfortable with. The bar needs to be higher. When you are dominating a game you have to slam the door.

To put a different spin on this, if our offense threatened teams it would make the opposition take more chances. Notice almost every team that has a lot of takeaways has a high powered offense that puts pressure on the opposing offense to keep pace. This makes them take chances they normally wouldn't. Unfortunately right now no one is worried we will bury them. They won’t take unnecessary chances. Our offense needs to do better to pressure the opposing teams offense. But that is not the Steelers way. They allow teams to hang around and stick to their game plan instead of forcing them out of their comfort zone. So might as well run a fucking draw on 3rd and 8 to a third down back just to eat some clock. :banging:

Buddha Bus
03-22-2013, 04:45 AM
Fuckin' Tom Brady in the snow. What the hell makes him so good in blizzards? It's like he thrives in it.

It's because he has so much experience getting pelted in the face with white stuff.

Millers the sh!t
03-22-2013, 06:59 AM
Fuck the Rats, they're done for. Everyone seems to miss our real competitors this year.

The Bengals.

Their 10-6, younger, getting better, have crazy cash in the bank and punched us in the mouth last year. The Steelers need to watch their asses, the Bengals ARE better than us right now.

I agree the afcN is the toughest division in the AFC. I can't wait. It's gonna be interesting the next couple years. How many comp picks are the rats gonna get next year? Quite a bit huh?

Millers the sh!t
03-22-2013, 07:01 AM
It's because he has so much experience getting pelted in the face with white stuff.

His nickname uses to be snowball in college....clerks reference

steelfury02
03-22-2013, 09:17 AM
That is all bullshit con-strewed meaningless points that classless/heartless men, (reminds me of Longshank who cut up William Wallace), who run up unnecessary points when the games at hand.....

The STEELERS are an organization of real men with heart, dignity,compassion and character, who chose to run the clock out and end the game when its well at hand, not run up the score and be a egotistical points champion.....

Look how CLASSLESS Robert Craft was this weekend talking about Welker and Brady.... True colors....

the Steelers offense has had a hard time getting to 21-24 points - forget talking about class - this is about the offense not carrying this team and doing what it has to do to win games for this team consistently - its about having a killer attitude and never feeling satisfied - sorry - I just get the feeling youre seeing the Steelers through homer-colored glasses - unless you're being sarcastic - they actually have been in the news for all the wrong reasons more than most teams lately - If teams are winning the SB averaging 30+ points, I don't think its too classless to ask for the offense to aim for a dominating level - I think its long overdue with the franchise QB and surrounding talent we've had

I think most owners are shrewd businessmen and class is pretty irrelevant when it comes down to bottom dollar. If you want class over winning as a fan - maybe you should sign up for some of their black tie events? Are they "classier in the public eye" than some teams like the Raiders and Cowboys? Sure - but don't mix perception with reality.

JackH
03-22-2013, 09:23 AM
lol aint that the truth. Looking at this past season in both wins and losses, the margin came by 7 points or less! Which means one more completion there, one less fumble there, one more stop on 3rd down, one less penalty negating a long punt return and we would've won most of our games (which also means we could've lost many more games if our opponents had done just a bit more as well).

The Steelers just basically need to do ONE THING only - score more points and start by doing that in the first half not the 4th quarter come-from-behind or final drive approach they've adopted and have gotten so comfortable with. The bar needs to be higher. When you are dominating a game you have to slam the door.

To put a different spin on this, if our offense threatened teams it would make the opposition take more chances. Notice almost every team that has a lot of takeaways has a high powered offense that puts pressure on the opposing offense to keep pace. This makes them take chances they normally wouldn't. Unfortunately right now no one is worried we will bury them. They won’t take unnecessary chances. Our offense needs to do better to pressure the opposing teams offense. But that is not the Steelers way. They allow teams to hang around and stick to their game plan instead of forcing them out of their comfort zone. So might as well run a fucking draw on 3rd and 8 to a third down back just to eat some clock. :banging:

This is an excellent analysis.

The Steelers need to score more points. Exactly. I don't have much reason to believe the defense will not be fine as usual. Sure, there is some tuning to do, with a few draft picks and a few free agents at the right price, including perhaps some of our own. I'm not going to complain about a defense that is ranked number one even if it doesn't make many splash plays.

How are the Steelers going to score more points? I'm more concerned about how the Steelers are going to score as many points as last season. Mike Wallace and Heath Miller led the Steelers with 8 TDs each. Where will those two guys be when this next season starts? Who is going to make up all that production?

Blacksburg Zach
03-22-2013, 10:12 AM
What does class have to do with anything? You play to win the game, and to win the game, one must score as many points as possible on offense while permitting the fewest on defense. Allowing lesser teams to remain in games is not a sign of class, but underachieving. Keep the foot on the gas, continue to score until the game ends, and don't give the opposing team a chance to get back into the game. It's not the offense's job to stop their own offense, but it's the opposing defense's job to stop the opposing team's offense. Save class for off the field, but be as dominating as possible on game day, and don't allow lesser opponents to stay in the game and possibly pull off upsets.

Millers the sh!t
03-22-2013, 10:33 AM
yeah its the bengals. we may be the weakest division next year. The ravens and brown will be 7-9 or worse, we can be 10-6 or 6-10 and the bengals will be good.

actually i think the chiefs are the best team in the afc. they had 6 pro bowlers last year and added a QB, wr, te, defensive help, have #1 pick overall AND andy reid.

Good points brethren... I didn't even think of the chiefs. It don't matter how bad or good they are anyways cause Tomlin cant seem to beet them or the shit stain raiders. That shit always bugs me about Tomlin.... Can't beet the flunky junk bond teams..... It costs us the playoffs 2 seasons already. 2 wasted fucking seasons that our star players will never get back again, all because Tomlin can't gameplan or take. Fly ky teams serious enough.....

SteelersCanada
03-22-2013, 10:43 AM
Yep, the Chiefs are the best team in the AFC sittin' there with the number one overall pick in the league. Oh, and then, the Bengals are going to be a talented team too with their one offensive weapon in AJ Green who we managed to completely shut down last year (thanks, Ike!). The Pro Bowl is a joke and judging a rosters talent by it is a mistake. Let's put it this way - Ray Lewis and Derrick Johnson went to the Pro Bowl last year, but Lawrence Timmons didn't. Yeah, it's a little bit judged by name recognition and not talent.

I feel like the offseason is the twilight zone.

steelfury02
03-22-2013, 10:56 AM
I think most of us are coming to a general consensus that scoring points on offense is of utmost importance (duh, right?) - but more importantly, that there seems to be an attitude that has crept in to the offensive side of the ball dating back somewhere between when the clock struck zero on SB 43 and when the clock struck zero on SB 45.

The time of possession argument will continue and the jury is still out on Haley and Ben putting a top 10 offense out on the field. However, I don't think it is ludicrous to say that a change in approach and attitude towards efficiency and consistency had to be made for the sake of 1. Realizing the myriad of options Ben needs to at least glance at and this continues into 2. Helping the O-line helping Ben so he can play another 5-6 seasons instead of 2 or 3.

If we all remember that Haley and Ben did talk about more vertical / aggressive down field throws to attack instead of what some call TOP/Marty ball, as the season progressed but that injuries hindered their future tweaks to the offense, maybe, just maybe efficiency was just the tip of the iceberg in scoring more, and consistently, and that he had to take that leap first so things set up nicely for vertical options, throwing a new look to opponents during a playoff run. Not saying that is the case, but Ben could not just go from gunslinger to deadly efficient overnight and that maybe this was the first step for him.

I think Logical is something that I'd like to call Haley's offense from a situation standpoint - something that was sorely lacking, and I think logic, barring injury, would continue to dictate that a more aggressive game plan was/in the works.

JackH
03-22-2013, 11:38 AM
glance at and this continues into 2. Helping the O-line helping Ben so he can play another 5-6 seasons instead of 2 or 3.



You got it right in that post, I mean the whole thing.

One point on the O-line helping Ben. It's not just the 0-line, it's the receivers getting open. If they don't, Ben is going to hold the ball.

Watch the last game against the Browns. No Wallace, no Heath. No receiver had more than 2 catches and Sanders had a whopping 28 yards to lead that stat. Paulson played the entire game and had 0 catches and was otherwise worse than mediocre. A grand total of 134 passing yards. Yeah, Ben did have 3 TD passes. Two of those after a short field due to fumbles recoveries by Cortez Allen. The game was tied 10-10 at the half, so it's not like the Steelers didn't need to generate some offense. Lucky we were playing against a QB playing his first game and no Trent Richardson.

Yep, that's what the Steelers will look like to start next season, barring some significant additions in terms of pass receivers. Wallace didn't just lead the team in TDs, tied with Heath, he drew the double coverage often, which gave the other receivers a better chance to get open. No Heath either to start the season, for 4 games, or 6 games, or whatever, we don't know.

NSMaster56
03-22-2013, 02:12 PM
The Steelers did handle Flacco and the Ravens. Beat them once with a backup and lost by 3 with another backup. Just imagine if Ben had played that Week 11 game against the Ratbirds at Heinz Field instead of Leftwich. Had the Steelers won that game, it would have been Pittsburgh in the playoffs instead of Baltimore.

There's two different ways to look at the Bengals 'rise' though.

Head to head the Steelers can handle the Bengals. There are decades worth of evidence to support such a claim.

However, OVERALL (since PIT and CIN do not play each other 16 times a year) the Steelers could be looking up at Cincy in the standings and/or need to beat them/out do them to make the playoffs. In that scenario, it will be much less of a guarantee.

The_Joker
03-22-2013, 03:28 PM
actually i think the chiefs are the best team in the afc. they had 6 pro bowlers last year and added a QB, wr, te, defensive help, have #1 pick overall AND andy reid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVOZeT2W6Bo

Buddha Bus
03-22-2013, 03:32 PM
His nickname uses to be snowball in college....clerks reference

The explanation was unnecessary for me. Huge Kevin Smith fan here. :chuckle:

TRH
03-22-2013, 05:33 PM
nobody's missing the Bengals. They're, and have been, on everyone's radar for at least 2 years now. Most analysts actually predicted them to win the division last year (and almost all of them had us finishing 3rd - which i remember everyone crying "bullshit" - even though i agreed with the analysts on this one)

The Bengals and Browns both have been slowly and quietly building teams of great talent over the past 4, 5 years (except for the Browns idiotic draft last year taking a RB at #3 and then a 29 year old QB at #1).
In particular - just look at the Browns offensive line and defensive line. Bigger than ours. Stronger than ours. MUCH nastier than ours. And they're slowly adding superstar talent in the defensive backfield. The Browns are ones to watch out for almost as equally as Cincy.

Blacksburg Zach
03-22-2013, 06:49 PM
nobody's missing the Bengals. They're, and have been, on everyone's radar for at least 2 years now. Most analysts actually predicted them to win the division last year (and almost all of them had us finishing 3rd - which i remember everyone crying "bullshit" - even though i agreed with the analysts on this one)

The Bengals and Browns both have been slowly and quietly building teams of great talent over the past 4, 5 years (except for the Browns idiotic draft last year taking a RB at #3 and then a 29 year old QB at #1).
In particular - just look at the Browns offensive line and defensive line. Bigger than ours. Stronger than ours. MUCH nastier than ours. And they're slowly adding superstar talent in the defensive backfield. The Browns are ones to watch out for almost as equally as Cincy.

The Browns have been paper champions in March for about the past 5-6 years, and they have fallen flat on their face each and every time when they actually had to play games on the field. I am not aware of any "superstar talent" in the defensive backfield, except maybe Joe Haden, who I feel is overrated. They have underwhelming linebackers, except D'qwell Jackson. The defensive line may look good on paper, but people thought the Buffalo Bills were going to have a top defensive line in the NFL this past season, and they were supposed to make a playoff push. We all know how that turned out. The Browns are still the worst team in the AFC North until they can prove otherwise by winning games on the field on a consistent basis, and stop winning just on paper.

pete74
03-22-2013, 06:59 PM
The Browns have been paper champions in March for about the past 5-6 years, and they have fallen flat on their face each and every time when they actually had to play games on the field. I am not aware of any "superstar talent" in the defensive backfield, except maybe Joe Haden, who I feel is overrated. They have underwhelming linebackers, except D'qwell Jackson. The defensive line may look good on paper, but people thought the Buffalo Bills were going to have a top defensive line in the NFL this past season, and they were supposed to make a playoff push. We all know how that turned out. The Browns are still the worst team in the AFC North until they can prove otherwise by winning games on the field on a consistent basis, and stop winning just on paper.

Browns have been paper champs? As of when? I never heard this before let alone the last five years. There always predicted to finish last in our division. Now they finally have a really good defense and a great rb but without a QB they will stay out of the playoff picture

Fire Haley
03-22-2013, 07:47 PM
I think most of us are coming to a general consensus that scoring points on offense is of utmost importance (duh, right?) .


us visionaries know the true path



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high five

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Hawaii 5-0
03-22-2013, 08:00 PM
The Browns are ones to watch out for almost as equally as Cincy.

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TRH
03-22-2013, 09:24 PM
The Browns have been paper champions in March for about the past 5-6 years, and they have fallen flat on their face each and every time when they actually had to play games on the field. I am not aware of any "superstar talent" in the defensive backfield, except maybe Joe Haden, who I feel is overrated. They have underwhelming linebackers, except D'qwell Jackson. The defensive line may look good on paper, but people thought the Buffalo Bills were going to have a top defensive line in the NFL this past season, and they were supposed to make a playoff push. We all know how that turned out. The Browns are still the worst team in the AFC North until they can prove otherwise by winning games on the field on a consistent basis, and stop winning just on paper.

I've also never heard them called "champions". Paper - or any other kind. I was just referring to the fact that they have added some considerable talent.
Also their front lines are big, tough, and nasty and make us look "small" in comparison.
Both games last year (even when we won), their defensive line pushed around our OL like they were nothing. And then on the other side of the ball, their OL manhandled our defensive line like they were little schoolboys.
Far from champions - but they have added some really good talent (and have a draft coming up with good position to add a future star).
Last year's draft, they really screwed up by wasting a pick on Weeden when they could have got Russell Wilson (who, even before draft day, i was calling the steal of the draft - a definite future star).
Also, they bought into the "trent richardson" hype at the time - a good back, but not a smart #3 pick.

Steelers5895
03-22-2013, 10:58 PM
You all act like the Begals were a dominant team last year, No they were not. No shot in the playoffs, WE were the better team. They made no improvements due to anything in the offseason. So why should they be that scarier then last year?

What we should care about is US. I see huge step baks that we're making this offseason with no improvements whatsoever. Let's face it we have a good D-line in place if they can perform like last year. We have a shaky Linebacking core, a good Secondary, a good Quarterback, no Running Game at all and too little talent in our Receiving core. Let's face it that group wont bring championships. We have no dominating Offense in place, we have a good Defense, but a main part in a 3-4 defense are Linebackers and we lack talent their. With the draft upcomming we have a lot of holes to fix here so for everybody who expects a good year, don't be so sure there!

holy rose colored glasses.

bengals are young with a great pass rush on defense. a qb with good upside and a top 3 wr. they also can block and run the ball. they are VERY balanced.

the steelers and ravens are on the decline. they are on the upswing

Steeler7BR
03-22-2013, 11:10 PM
holy rose colored glasses.

bengals are young with a great pass rush on defense. a qb with good upside and a top 3 wr. they also can block and run the ball. they are VERY balanced.

the steelers and ravens are on the decline. they are on the upswing

I said we are on the deline and that the bengals play with almost the same roster as last year. What are you argueing about?^^

And I just saw 1 top receiver last year.

Steelers5895
03-23-2013, 02:04 PM
I said we are on the deline and that the bengals play with almost the same roster as last year. What are you argueing about?^^

And I just saw 1 top receiver last year.

top 3 wr meaning AJ green is a top 3 wr.

pete74
03-23-2013, 02:21 PM
top 3 wr meaning AJ green is a top 3 wr.

Agreed, he is definitely a top 3 WR. He is insanely good. The only downfall with having a top 3 WR is when his contract expires

Hawaii 5-0
03-23-2013, 02:25 PM
Agreed, he is definitely a top 3 WR. He is insanely good. The only downfall with having a top 3 WR is when his contract expires

when his contract expires, AJ Green is going to want Mike Wallace $.

Justp94
03-23-2013, 11:14 PM
The Browns are going to be a tough out too.

I disagree with you on the Browns. Until the Browns find that "star" QB they desperately need, they won't be as big a threat. Brandon Weeden clearly wasn't worth his 1st round pick last year and the Browns are in deep shit with their QBs.

Buddha Bus
03-23-2013, 11:21 PM
I disagree with you on the Browns. Until the Browns find that "star" QB they desperately need, they won't be as big a threat. Brandon Weeden clearly wasn't worth his 1st round pick last year and the Browns are in deep shit with their QBs.

Well.... Tim Tebow's still available.

bornaSteelersfan
03-24-2013, 06:46 AM
No one is missing the real target. The real target for The Steelers was, is, and always will be winning The Superbowl. Anything less is failure.

TheVet
03-25-2013, 05:28 AM
I think most of us are coming to a general consensus that scoring points on offense is of utmost importance (duh, right?) - but more importantly, that there seems to be an attitude that has crept in to the offensive side of the ball dating back somewhere between when the clock struck zero on SB 43 and when the clock struck zero on SB 45.

Actually, the bad offense crept in between SB 40 and SB 43. SB 43 was one of those once-a-decade NFL teams where a defense for the ages carries a weak offense to the championship. Our offense was anemic that season.

Yes, yes, I know, it was a nice game-winning drive to win the SB. But the story of the season was an unbalanced team, weak offense and special teams - carried by a great defense.