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BKAnthem
04-02-2013, 01:19 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/21989655/steelers-face-most-important-draft-of-mike-tomlin-era

When the Steelers hired Mike Tomlin on January 22, 2007, skeptics figured it had more to do with team president Dan Rooney, the man who brought the Rooney Rule to the NFL, practicing what he preached than a young, black coach getting hired on merits alone.

Six years later, the Steelers have won 12 games on three occasions, made the playoffs four times, and appeared in two Super Bowls (winning one after the '08 season). In the two instances Pittsburgh won fewer than 10 games -- 9-7 in '09 and 8-8 in '12 -- it also missed the playoffs. But unlike previous teams that returned veteran leaders to an already-deep roster, the 2013 version of Steelers could be the most vulnerable in Tomlin's tenure.

Pittsburgh didn't become a perennial playoff team by overpaying for big names in the offseason. Instead, it opted to restock the depth chart through the draft, find free-agent bargains, and re-sign homegrown players. For general manager Kevin Colbert, one of the unintended consequences of being a good talent evaluator is that it's expensive to keep said talent around after those rookie deals expire.

As it stands, six players have a salary-cap figure of at least $5.8 million -- Lawrence Timmons, Heath Miller, LaMarr Woodley, Ike Taylor, Troy Polamalu and Ben Roethlisberger -- and two are in excess of $10 million (Roethlisberger and Polamalu). Exacerbating the old-age/salary dynamic: of those six players, four are north of 30 years old.

This spring, the organization's usual steady-as-she-goes approach to free agency included retaining a couple moderately priced starters and affordable role players, while letting young starters Mike Wallace, Rashard Mendenhall and Keenan Lewis walk. But with a bloated salary cap, an aging roster and plenty of holes to fill, the 2013 NFL Draft becomes critically important.

But before looking ahead, a brief look back at the six Steelers' drafts under Tomlin.

* 2007: Yielded linebackers Lawrence Timmons and LaMarr Woodley in Rounds 1 and 2, as well as role players tight end Matt Spaeth and cornerback William Gay (who returned to the team this offseason after stints in Chicago and Arizona, respectively).

* 2008: When the Cardinals signed running back Rashard Mendenhall last month, it officially closed the books on Pittsburgh's '08 class that included WR Limas Sweed, LB Bruce Davis, T Tony Hills, QB Dennis Dixon, LB Mike Humpal and S Ryan Munday. All drafted by the organization, all with other teams or out of football altogether as you read this.

* 2009: Defensive end Ziggy Hood and tight end David Johnson remain, but the class also produced guard Kraig Urbik (cut after one year in Pittsburgh, now a starter in Buffalo), Wallace and Lewis. In fact, you could argue that of the first three picks -- Hood, Urbik, Wallace and Lewis -- Hood has been the least productive.

* 2010: Center Maurkice Pouncey, linebacker Jason Worilds, wideout Emmanuel Sanders, running back Jonathan Dwyer and wideout Antonio Brown have all played big roles in recent years. With James Harrison not coming back, Worilds, a former second-rounder, will finally get to show if he's a legit threat in Pittsburgh's 3-4 scheme.

* 2011: Marcus Gilbert was the starting right tackle until an injury landed him on injured reserve last season, and he could be the opening-day left tackle in 2013. Cortez Allen is penciled in to replace Lewis as a starting cornerback, while defensive end Cam Heyward, cornerback Curtis Brown, outside linebacker Chris Carter and running back Baron Batch all saw action last season as backups.

* 2012: Guard David DeCastro and tackle Mike Adams will both be starters in '13, nose tackle Alameda Ta'amu will have a chance to earn playing time in place of free agent Casey Hampton, and seventh-rounders tight end David Paulson and tackle Kelvin Beachum were on the field a lot as rookies.

Other than '08, which through a combination of bad luck and sheer misses was an unmitigated disaster, the Steelers have been relatively successful in the draft. Whether they were successful enough is another matter, and one that will be contingent on what they do this April.

But that doesn't mean we can't speculate about what could've been -- partly because it's an interesting exercise, but also to gauge how well the Steelers' front office, coaches and scouts have been at identifying talent. One way to do that: look at Pittsburgh's current needs before hopping in the Eye on Football way-back machine and seeing which players the team could have had.

With the 2013 draft less than four weeks away, the Steelers have depth concerns at cornerback, running back, wide receiver, inside linebacker, outside linebacker and safety. Pretty much everywhere but offensive line (ironic, we know) and quarterback.

Here's a brief look back in time:

* In '07, safety Dashon Goldson was on the board when the Steelers took punter Daniel Sepulveda with the 112th pick in the fourth round;

* In '08, cornerback Brandon Flowers, wide receivers Jordy Nelson and DeSean Jackson, and defensive end Calais Campbell were available Pittsburgh took Mendenhall. And running backs Ray Rice and Jamaal Charles were on the board when Sweed went in Round 2. There's more: tight end Jermichael Finley, defensive end Cliff Avril, linebacker Philip Wheeler, and safeties Thomas DeCoud and Tyvon Branch could've been had in the third round instead of linebacker Bruce Davis.

* In '10, Pittsburgh went with Worilds in Round 2 over linebacker Sean Lee, a move that still elicits groans from fans who saw what Lee did at Penn State and later with the Cowboys. Defensive lineman Geno Atkins could've been had in the fourth round but the Steelers went with defensive end Thaddeus Gibson, who was released during his rookie season.

* The '11 and '12 drafts appear solid in terms of both starters and depth, although realistically it will take a few years to truly determine how good these classes are.

Still, despite a pretty good track record when it comes to assembling a roster, the occasional misstep can add up. And it can add up in a hurry when you whiff on an entire draft class. Yes, technically, the Steelers could've had Goldson, Flowers, Nelson, Rice, Charles, Lee et al, but there were reasons those players didn't go in the first round -- likely the same reasons 31 other teams passed on them at least once.

And while they'd all be welcome additions to a Pittsburgh depth chart suddenly full of holes, time travel is impossible (as far as we know, anyway). Which means that what the Steelers do on April 25-28 will have a lot to do with their place among the AFC's elite, not just in 2013, but for the foreseeable future.

So what's the draft strategy heading into late April? The short answer: it depends (unoriginal and uninformative, we know, but stick with us). The long answer: lack of depth up and down the roster isn't a bug it's a feature, at least in the sense that whomever falls to the Steelers with the 18th pick will likely fill an immediate need.

It helps explain why the six NFLDraftScout.com/CBSSports.com mock draft experts have six different players going to the Steelers in Round 1: wide receiver Cordarrelle Patterson, linebacker Jarvis Jones, cornerback Desmond Trufant, defensive end Bjoern Werner, linebacker Barkevious Mingo and guard Chance Warmack.

But the Steelers have a reputation for nailing first-round picks and there's no reason to expect this year to be different. What has to change, however: the team needs to connect on subsequent picks. This isn't asking the impossible -- it's not like we're talking about the Matt Millen-era Lions and pleading with the front office to not draft a wide receiver -- but there's no margin for error, either.

The good news: this draft is deep at wide receiver, running back, cornerback and safety. So deep, in fact, that it's reasonable to think that the draft could shake out in such a way that the team could come away with five or six players who will contribute in 2013 in some form or another.

The bad news: the process remains more art than science, and that means that even the best draft board can be chocked full of misjudgments that ultimately prove to be the difference between annual trips to the postseason and .500 football.

For example, we'd be happy with West Virginia wideout Tavon Austin in the first round, UCLA running back Jonathan Franklin in the second round and USC safety T.J. McDonald in the third round. Seems perfectly sensible given what we've heard, seen and read. But two years from now it could be '08-Steelers-draft laugh-out-loud ridiculous. That's the nature of the beast.

It also reinforces the razor-thin difference between success and failure in the NFL. The Steelers haven't had a losing season in 10 years. Whether they make it to 11 could depend in large part on what happens in the coming weeks. Tomlin is fond of saying that "The standard is the standard," but the reality is that you're only as good as your players.

SH-Rock
04-02-2013, 01:22 PM
No one can predict how players turnout in the future. If that was the case, every first rounder, hell every top ten pick would be no less than a starter and most would be a pro bowlers and some hall of famers, which is definitely not the case.

harrison'samonster
04-02-2013, 01:24 PM
not only is this draft important, but it's also time for a few picks from previous drafts to start stepping up.

stiller39
04-02-2013, 01:25 PM
This was an eye opener for our 08 draft....ouch!

harrison'samonster
04-02-2013, 01:30 PM
This was an eye opener for our 08 draft....ouch!

very true, and that just shows how hard it is to predict a draft class as soon as the players are drafted. If Mendenhall, Sweed, and Dixon as a back-up had worked out we would have a lot fewer problems at this point.

Rabbit
04-02-2013, 01:31 PM
An awful lot of hindsight in that article. Sure, we could have had a lot of good players, but it's not like Mendenhall and Sweed weren't top prospects at the time, themselves. No team is infallible in the draft.

ebsteelers
04-02-2013, 01:40 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/21989655/steelers-face-most-important-draft-of-mike-tomlin-era

When the Steelers hired Mike Tomlin on January 22, 2007, skeptics figured it had more to do with team president Dan Rooney, the man who brought the Rooney Rule to the NFL, practicing what he preached than a young, black coach getting hired on merits alone.

Six years later, the Steelers have won 12 games on three occasions, made the playoffs four times, and appeared in two Super Bowls (winning one after the '08 season). In the two instances Pittsburgh won fewer than 10 games -- 9-7 in '09 and 8-8 in '12 -- it also missed the playoffs. But unlike previous teams that returned veteran leaders to an already-deep roster, the 2013 version of Steelers could be the most vulnerable in Tomlin's tenure.

Pittsburgh didn't become a perennial playoff team by overpaying for big names in the offseason. Instead, it opted to restock the depth chart through the draft, find free-agent bargains, and re-sign homegrown players. For general manager Kevin Colbert, one of the unintended consequences of being a good talent evaluator is that it's expensive to keep said talent around after those rookie deals expire.

As it stands, six players have a salary-cap figure of at least $5.8 million -- Lawrence Timmons, Heath Miller, LaMarr Woodley, Ike Taylor, Troy Polamalu and Ben Roethlisberger -- and two are in excess of $10 million (Roethlisberger and Polamalu). Exacerbating the old-age/salary dynamic: of those six players, four are north of 30 years old.

This spring, the organization's usual steady-as-she-goes approach to free agency included retaining a couple moderately priced starters and affordable role players, while letting young starters Mike Wallace, Rashard Mendenhall and Keenan Lewis walk. But with a bloated salary cap, an aging roster and plenty of holes to fill, the 2013 NFL Draft becomes critically important.

But before looking ahead, a brief look back at the six Steelers' drafts under Tomlin.

* 2007: Yielded linebackers Lawrence Timmons and LaMarr Woodley in Rounds 1 and 2, as well as role players tight end Matt Spaeth and cornerback William Gay (who returned to the team this offseason after stints in Chicago and Arizona, respectively).

* 2008: When the Cardinals signed running back Rashard Mendenhall last month, it officially closed the books on Pittsburgh's '08 class that included WR Limas Sweed, LB Bruce Davis, T Tony Hills, QB Dennis Dixon, LB Mike Humpal and S Ryan Munday. All drafted by the organization, all with other teams or out of football altogether as you read this.

* 2009: Defensive end Ziggy Hood and tight end David Johnson remain, but the class also produced guard Kraig Urbik (cut after one year in Pittsburgh, now a starter in Buffalo), Wallace and Lewis. In fact, you could argue that of the first three picks -- Hood, Urbik, Wallace and Lewis -- Hood has been the least productive.

* 2010: Center Maurkice Pouncey, linebacker Jason Worilds, wideout Emmanuel Sanders, running back Jonathan Dwyer and wideout Antonio Brown have all played big roles in recent years. With James Harrison not coming back, Worilds, a former second-rounder, will finally get to show if he's a legit threat in Pittsburgh's 3-4 scheme.

* 2011: Marcus Gilbert was the starting right tackle until an injury landed him on injured reserve last season, and he could be the opening-day left tackle in 2013. Cortez Allen is penciled in to replace Lewis as a starting cornerback, while defensive end Cam Heyward, cornerback Curtis Brown, outside linebacker Chris Carter and running back Baron Batch all saw action last season as backups.

* 2012: Guard David DeCastro and tackle Mike Adams will both be starters in '13, nose tackle Alameda Ta'amu will have a chance to earn playing time in place of free agent Casey Hampton, and seventh-rounders tight end David Paulson and tackle Kelvin Beachum were on the field a lot as rookies.

Other than '08, which through a combination of bad luck and sheer misses was an unmitigated disaster, the Steelers have been relatively successful in the draft. Whether they were successful enough is another matter, and one that will be contingent on what they do this April.

But that doesn't mean we can't speculate about what could've been -- partly because it's an interesting exercise, but also to gauge how well the Steelers' front office, coaches and scouts have been at identifying talent. One way to do that: look at Pittsburgh's current needs before hopping in the Eye on Football way-back machine and seeing which players the team could have had.

With the 2013 draft less than four weeks away, the Steelers have depth concerns at cornerback, running back, wide receiver, inside linebacker, outside linebacker and safety. Pretty much everywhere but offensive line (ironic, we know) and quarterback.

Here's a brief look back in time:

* In '07, safety Dashon Goldson was on the board when the Steelers took punter Daniel Sepulveda with the 112th pick in the fourth round;

* In '08, cornerback Brandon Flowers, wide receivers Jordy Nelson and DeSean Jackson, and defensive end Calais Campbell were available Pittsburgh took Mendenhall. And running backs Ray Rice and Jamaal Charles were on the board when Sweed went in Round 2. There's more: tight end Jermichael Finley, defensive end Cliff Avril, linebacker Philip Wheeler, and safeties Thomas DeCoud and Tyvon Branch could've been had in the third round instead of linebacker Bruce Davis.

* In '10, Pittsburgh went with Worilds in Round 2 over linebacker Sean Lee, a move that still elicits groans from fans who saw what Lee did at Penn State and later with the Cowboys. Defensive lineman Geno Atkins could've been had in the fourth round but the Steelers went with defensive end Thaddeus Gibson, who was released during his rookie season.* The '11 and '12 drafts appear solid in terms of both starters and depth, although realistically it will take a few years to truly determine how good these classes are.

Still, despite a pretty good track record when it comes to assembling a roster, the occasional misstep can add up. And it can add up in a hurry when you whiff on an entire draft class. Yes, technically, the Steelers could've had Goldson, Flowers, Nelson, Rice, Charles, Lee et al, but there were reasons those players didn't go in the first round -- likely the same reasons 31 other teams passed on them at least once.

And while they'd all be welcome additions to a Pittsburgh depth chart suddenly full of holes, time travel is impossible (as far as we know, anyway). Which means that what the Steelers do on April 25-28 will have a lot to do with their place among the AFC's elite, not just in 2013, but for the foreseeable future.

So what's the draft strategy heading into late April? The short answer: it depends (unoriginal and uninformative, we know, but stick with us). The long answer: lack of depth up and down the roster isn't a bug it's a feature, at least in the sense that whomever falls to the Steelers with the 18th pick will likely fill an immediate need.

It helps explain why the six NFLDraftScout.com/CBSSports.com mock draft experts have six different players going to the Steelers in Round 1: wide receiver Cordarrelle Patterson, linebacker Jarvis Jones, cornerback Desmond Trufant, defensive end Bjoern Werner, linebacker Barkevious Mingo and guard Chance Warmack.

But the Steelers have a reputation for nailing first-round picks and there's no reason to expect this year to be different. What has to change, however: the team needs to connect on subsequent picks. This isn't asking the impossible -- it's not like we're talking about the Matt Millen-era Lions and pleading with the front office to not draft a wide receiver -- but there's no margin for error, either.

The good news: this draft is deep at wide receiver, running back, cornerback and safety. So deep, in fact, that it's reasonable to think that the draft could shake out in such a way that the team could come away with five or six players who will contribute in 2013 in some form or another.

The bad news: the process remains more art than science, and that means that even the best draft board can be chocked full of misjudgments that ultimately prove to be the difference between annual trips to the postseason and .500 football.

For example, we'd be happy with West Virginia wideout Tavon Austin in the first round, UCLA running back Jonathan Franklin in the second round and USC safety T.J. McDonald in the third round. Seems perfectly sensible given what we've heard, seen and read. But two years from now it could be '08-Steelers-draft laugh-out-loud ridiculous. That's the nature of the beast.

It also reinforces the razor-thin difference between success and failure in the NFL. The Steelers haven't had a losing season in 10 years. Whether they make it to 11 could depend in large part on what happens in the coming weeks. Tomlin is fond of saying that "The standard is the standard," but the reality is that you're only as good as your players.

hind sight is always 20/20

same stuff could be said for passing on tom brady or jerry rice etc.

ebsteelers
04-02-2013, 01:45 PM
but to the articles title. defintely agree...

we need playmakers in this draft..
atleast 2 starters and quality depth.


the lead up to the draft is always exciting.1

OX1947
04-02-2013, 03:33 PM
First round picks are the only franchise killers if they are bombs.

Bane
04-02-2013, 03:38 PM
I didn't really read the entire article, but what are the odds that Tomlin doesn't make it past the next two or three years if this draft (and subsequent ones) don't go well, and the team falters for a couple of years?

I mean, we are in a transition stage, but given the Steelers generally don't like to be in an actual rebuilding mode, could the odds be stacking against Tomlin? Or would they give him the same amount of leeway they gave Cowher for the sake of longevity and hopefully building longtime chemistry?

*NOTE*: I'm not advocating Tomlin's firing, just putting the speculation out there for discussion.

SH-Rock
04-02-2013, 04:07 PM
I didn't really read the entire article, but what are the odds that Tomlin doesn't make it past the next two or three years if this draft (and subsequent ones) don't go well, and the team falters for a couple of years?

I mean, we are in a transition stage, but given the Steelers generally don't like to be in an actual rebuilding mode, could the odds be stacking against Tomlin? Or would they give him the same amount of leeway they gave Cowher for the sake of longevity and hopefully building longtime chemistry?

*NOTE*: I'm not advocating Tomlin's firing, just putting the speculation out there for discussion.

Yes it is a transition stage, but you also have to remember the rest of the division. Ravens also lost a plethora of starters. Bengals are behind Andy Dalton who hasn't really proven much and the Brown, well they've been rebuilding since they came back into the league. This season was just a mess. High points and low points. So yes we do need to draft some playmakers, some guys need to step up, but don't sell this team short just yet.

SteelersCanada
04-02-2013, 08:55 PM
I didn't really read the entire article, but what are the odds that Tomlin doesn't make it past the next two or three years if this draft (and subsequent ones) don't go well, and the team falters for a couple of years?

I mean, we are in a transition stage, but given the Steelers generally don't like to be in an actual rebuilding mode, could the odds be stacking against Tomlin? Or would they give him the same amount of leeway they gave Cowher for the sake of longevity and hopefully building longtime chemistry?

*NOTE*: I'm not advocating Tomlin's firing, just putting the speculation out there for discussion.

I'd say no for a couple of different reasons. One, people forget that under Cowher, the Steelers were largely average for years. Years. Did they win the AFC Central a few times in a row? Sure. They didn't however make any kind of noise in the postseason for years. Take 1998 - 2000, for example. A combined win / loss total of 22 - 26 for those seasons and there was no question in the front office about who the head coach should be. We weathered the storm and things ended up the way they did. It's important to note that I'm not comparing these two coaches but simply saying that the front office doesn't overreact to a small transitional period. They don't fire head coaches and they don't fire them over missed first round picks or entire drafts.

Second, and most importantly, Tomlin is a great coach. They're going to give him the leeway because he's shown he deserves it. Two Super Bowl appearances with a victory has earned that right. This team right now has the capability to make another deep run and that starts with Mike and Ben at the helm of this team. Last years draft, for the most part, went well for us. There was the Rainey debacle but if you look past that, DeCastro and Adams were both steals. Paulson has promise and there's a reason why they didn't just cut Ta'amu loose after they found out about his legal issues. They see something in this kid. Most people on here were excited with the Sean Spence pick until he horribly injured his knee. That's 5 / 7 rounds to hit on with Rainey producing on ST but he was released, so we won't count it.

Every coach and front office has its down years. Every. Single. One. What this fanbase fails to realize is this happens to every team. We're not going to win it every year and we're not going to make the postseason for 10 straight seasons, despite what the expectations are. There is no 'rebuilding' for the Steelers. There's two other words I'd use, though, and they're used quite often (with good reason): transition and reload. Right now, we're in transition. Big name guys with even bigger cap hits have been released. Despite what the doomsayers say, this team is still built on the core that made it great. Guys like Ben, AB, Pouncey, Manny and DeCastro still highlight this offense and offensive line. We have younger guys that are ready to step up and take on a leadership role so the locker room won't again be divided. We have a retooled offensive line with younger guys at every position. Our defense is still great, despite what Warren Sapp says (seriously, fuck that guy).

This isn't a team that will falter for years because the front office and coaching staff aren't going to let it. People will constantly dig up the '08 draft as proof that we might be in crisis but I'll ask you to look at more recent drafts in which we've hit in most rounds. Pouncey, DeCastro, AB, Manny, Adams, Beachum, Gilbert, Allen, Heyward, McLendon, etc. and I could go on. Those guys we've drafted in recent years should make us forget about the '08 debacle but people refuse to the past be the past.

Do we have holes? Sure. I trust the front office and coaching staff to not only acknowledge and address these holes, but get the correct players to plug in and stay the course because it's what we've done for years. People said you couldn't replace a Joey Porter, a Gregg Lloyd, a Santonio Holmes and we have. These guys have been to two (some three) Super Bowls in a short amount of time for a reason, guys. They know what they're doing and they know how to reload this team.

Bane
04-02-2013, 10:01 PM
Believe me, SteelersCanada, I'm with you 100%. I trust in Tomlin, and I'm glad to have him as our coach, and I think we're going to get at least one more Lombardi out of him while Ben is still with us. It's just that article, from what little I read, sounded as if it came off in a way that doomed Tomlin, given this past year.

I think we'll be back to roughly 12-4, give or take a win, this year. As I've said before, I always have bad feelings during the offseason, than am pleasantly surprised with the outcome of the season

SteelersCanada
04-02-2013, 10:09 PM
Believe me, SteelersCanada, I'm with you 100%. I trust in Tomlin, and I'm glad to have him as our coach, and I think we're going to get at least one more Lombardi out of him while Ben is still with us. It's just that article, from what little I read, sounded as if it came off in a way that doomed Tomlin, given this past year.

I think we'll be back to roughly 12-4, give or take a win, this year. As I've said before, I always have bad feelings during the offseason, than am pleasantly surprised with the outcome of the season

I'm glad, honestly. There's a fair amount of optimism now coming from different people which is different. There's less "Mike sucks! Trade Ben!" and more "we're going to be alright".

:drink:

Bane
04-02-2013, 10:50 PM
I'm glad, honestly. There's a fair amount of optimism now coming from different people which is different. There's less "Mike sucks! Trade Ben!" and more "we're going to be alright".

:drink:

Most certainly. :drink:

I was skeptical of Tomlin when he was hired, but his first two seasons absolutely sold me. I'm with him until the end, and I hope the rest of Steeler Nation is with us. :tt02:

Rabbit
04-02-2013, 10:52 PM
Wait, you mean the sky isn't falling and we shouldn't ship off all of our team's talent in a desperate attempt to salvage draft picks for the future?

SteelersCanada
04-02-2013, 11:09 PM
Wait, you mean the sky isn't falling and we shouldn't ship off all of our team's talent in a desperate attempt to salvage draft picks for the future?

The sad part is people think this way.

teegre
04-02-2013, 11:15 PM
Fire Tomln. Cut BB. Trade Timmons, AB, Pouncey, and DD for R4 picks in 2013, 14, 15, & 16 respectively.

There... problem(s) solved.

Sincerely,
The Internet GM

Hawaii 5-0
04-02-2013, 11:34 PM
Cut BB.

Sincerely,
The Internet GM

You might as well cut Ben if you're not going to let our franchise QB throw the ball on every down.

Art II needs to stop meddling and trying to relive the 70s. Run the ball Yoi!

Sincerely,
GoFor7

teegre
04-03-2013, 12:41 AM
You might as well cut Ben if you're not going to let our franchise QB throw the ball on every down.

Art II needs to stop meddling and trying to relive the 70s. Run the ball Yoi!

Sincerely,
GoFor7

:toofunny:

BOOOOO!!!!! Yinzer!!! BOOOOO!!!!!

Hawaii 5-0
04-03-2013, 01:34 AM
:toofunny:

BOOOOO!!!!! Yinzer!!! BOOOOO!!!!!

if Todd Haley wasn't a Yinzer, he would never have been hired.

the Yinzers simpleton way of football has destroyed all football logic.

Yinzers only know three things:

Run the ball. Double Yoi!

The defense is great.

Ben and Bruce Arians are evil.

Sincerely,
GoFor7

teegre
04-03-2013, 08:43 AM
if Todd Haley wasn't a Yinzer, he would never have been hired.

the Yinzers simpleton way of football has destroyed all football logic.

Yinzers only know three things:

Run the ball. Double Yoi!

The defense is great.

Ben and Bruce Arians are evil.

Sincerely,
GoFor7

I always get a vision of him as a QB, lined up behind center, barking out his cadence:

"Strawman argument, strawman argument... Yinzers... pass, pass, pass, punt... pass, pass, pass, punt... strawman, strawman, strawman, strawman... hijack every thread... repeat, repeat, repeat... BOO on two, hike!!!"

ebsteelers
04-03-2013, 09:55 AM
Fire Tomln. Cut BB. Trade Timmons, AB, Pouncey, and DD for R4 picks in 2013, 14, 15, & 16 respectively.

There... problem(s) solved.

Sincerely,
The Internet GM

sign tommy maddox and bring back kordell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kent
04-03-2013, 10:03 AM
It says that Alameda Ta'amu has a chance to get some playing time. Im sorry but didnt he get completely drunk and attempt to run over cops downtown. How is this guy not in jail.

VaDave
04-03-2013, 10:27 AM
It says that Alameda Ta'amu has a chance to get some playing time. Im sorry but didnt he get completely drunk and attempt to run over cops downtown. How is this guy not in jail.

I'm with you on the why is he not in jail.I believe his hearing is coming up here in a couple of weeks.

. Guys like this need to be on a short, VERY short leash, will zero tolerance for repeat behavior. I don't care who the player is, if he's nailed for a DUI and repeats, his playing days are OVER, and the team they play for fined, and or lose draft picks.

That may seem a bit harsh, but for as much money as they pay these players, they could easily buy limos and hire chauffeurs if they can't reign them in.

Blacksburg Zach
04-03-2013, 01:13 PM
if Todd Haley wasn't a Yinzer, he would never have been hired.

the Yinzers simpleton way of football has destroyed all football logic.

Yinzers only know three things:

Run the ball. Double Yoi!

The defense is great.

Ben and Bruce Arians are evil.

Sincerely,
GoFor7

Running the ball is for dumb yinzers!

Artie is the worst owner in professional sports!

Haley and Artie are handcuffing Ben by having him pass 60% of the time! He has to throw every single down!

Ben should be the offensive coordinator!

If the Steelers throw on every down, there's not a defense in the world that can stop them! :muhaha:

Arena football is the way to play!

Disagree with anything I say? Well you're obviously a dumb yinzer!

Yinzer nation is causing global warming!

Repeat everything ad nauseum.

Sincerely,
GoFor7

teegre
04-03-2013, 03:03 PM
sign tommy maddox and bring back kordell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

...along with Troy Edwards, Bobby Shaw, and Yancey Thigpen!!!

More WRs... forget about five-wide, I want SEVEN-wide!!!

(Note to all: Yes, I know that the rules do not allow more than five-wide.)

Fire Arians
04-03-2013, 03:06 PM
It says that Alameda Ta'amu has a chance to get some playing time. Im sorry but didnt he get completely drunk and attempt to run over cops downtown. How is this guy not in jail.

he's not out of the woods yet, he can still very well go to jail

Blacksburg Zach
04-03-2013, 03:23 PM
...along with Troy Edwards, Bobby Shaw, and Yancey Thigpen!!!

More WRs... forget about five-wide, I want SEVEN-wide!!!

(Note to all: Yes, I know that the rules do not allow more than five-wide.)

If GoFor7 had a say in the matter, ten-wide would be legal. Offensive linemen are for yinzers! :chuckle:

ebsteelers
04-03-2013, 03:34 PM
...along with Troy Edwards, Bobby Shaw, and Yancey Thigpen!!!

More WRs... forget about five-wide, I want SEVEN-wide!!!

(Note to all: Yes, I know that the rules do not allow more than five-wide.)

hahaha, their is a reason i'll never get rid of madden 99.

im more of a 6 wide type guy, just get rid of that fat bum quarterback rotlissandwich or whatever his name is .. tubby is slowing down my no huddle offense im trying to score 100 points a game

lloydwoodson
04-03-2013, 04:28 PM
I'm with you on the why is he not in jail.I believe his hearing is coming up here in a couple of weeks.

. Guys like this need to be on a short, VERY short leash, will zero tolerance for repeat behavior. I don't care who the player is, if he's nailed for a DUI and repeats, his playing days are OVER, and the team they play for fined, and or lose draft picks.

That may seem a bit harsh, but for as much money as they pay these players, they could easily buy limos and hire chauffeurs if they can't reign them in.

And the thing is Ta'amu already had a DUI in college. So the Steelers drafted a problem player... who continues to have the same problem... and he is still on the roster.

There is no black and white it is a gray area when dealing with off-the-field issues. The impact the player has on the team decides whether or not he stays more than anything.

It wouldn't be fair to the player who behave themselves off-the-field if players who don't are released if that means they are forced into being a losing team. "Win it for Troy at all costs" is basically the view I take to rationalize assholes on the roster.

teegre
04-03-2013, 04:38 PM
If GoFor7 had a say in the matter, ten-wide would be legal. Offensive linemen are for yinzers! :chuckle:

The Gopher7 fifty-three man roster: BB... and 52 WRs.

teegre
04-03-2013, 04:41 PM
hahaha, their is a reason i'll never get rid of madden 99.

im more of a 6 wide type guy, just get rid of that fat bum quarterback rotlissandwich or whatever his name is .. tubby is slowing down my no huddle offense im trying to score 100 points a game

The "tubby ... 100 points" part made me laugh. Nice. :applaudit:

VaDave
04-03-2013, 05:02 PM
The Gopher7 fifty-three man roster: BB... and 52 WRs.

Or better yet, eliminate defenses altogether. All you get is one kicker, and 52 WRs.

teegre
04-03-2013, 05:05 PM
Or better yet, eliminate defenses altogether. All you get is one kicker, and 52 WRs.

A kicker??? We're going for it on every fourth down.

Blacksburg Zach
04-03-2013, 05:09 PM
A kicker??? We're going for it on every fourth down.

Yeah, settling for field goals is playing scared and too close to the vest!

teegre
04-03-2013, 06:38 PM
Yeah, settling for field goals is playing scared and too close to the vest!

Awesome post!!! Holy sh!t... I laughed for a good 17 seconds. Nice!!!

:applaudit:

VaDave
04-03-2013, 06:52 PM
A kicker??? We're going for it on every fourth down.

Kicker, not punter. Somebody has to kick off.

It's assumed since there is no defense, there would be no 4th downs.... of course there is the mighty turf monster at the Heinz that could come into play....

teegre
04-03-2013, 07:00 PM
Kicker, not punter. Somebody has to kick off.

It's assumed since there is no defense, there would be no 4th downs.... of course there is the mighty turf monster at the Heinz that could come into play....

Ah... but, punting never even crossed my mind.

What I meant was: 4th & goal, from the 25... we ain't kicking no stinkin' FG, brother. :wink02:

Now, you bring up a great point about kick-offs. Hmmm... we shall use the XFL rules!!!

Bane
04-03-2013, 11:03 PM
Ah... but, punting never even crossed my mind.

What I meant was: 4th & goal, from the 25... we ain't kicking no stinkin' FG, brother. :wink02:

Now, you bring up a great point about kick-offs. Hmmm... we shall use the XFL rules!!!

People still punt? I thought Goodell outlawed punting like thirty years ago.