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Vis
04-03-2013, 02:00 PM
Rutgers Fires Coach After Public Learns of Abuse School Already Knew About



Rutgers University fired men's basketball coach Mike Rice this morning. "Based upon recently revealed information and a review of previously discovered issues, Rutgers has terminated the contract of Mike Rice," the school said in a statement on Twitter (https://twitter.com/RUAthletics/status/319450740684902400).


Those "previously discovered issues"? Rice's abusive behavior during team practices, during which he threw basketballs at his players, shoved them, used a variety of profane language including a gay slur, and acted generally like someone most parents wouldn't want anywhere near their children. The coach's actions were caught on tape, portions of which were aired by ESPN yesterday. The footage drew a quick rebuke from many sports columnists, and led New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie to issue a statement saying that he was "deeply disturbed" by the whole thing.

As the Star-Ledger (http://www.nj.com/rutgersbasketball/index.ssf/2013/04/embattled_rutgers_coach_mike_r.html#incart_flyout_ sports) explains, Rutgers had already reprimanded Rice for his actions last December, suspending him for three games without pay and fining him $50,000 (http://espn.go.com/new-york/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8744573/mike-rice-coach-rutgers-scarlet-knights-suspended-three-games-fined) after the school's athletic director, Tim Pernetti, was shown the damning footage. Once the tape went public, however, it appears as though Pernetti and the other school officials rethought just how inappropriate Rice's behavior was.


"I am responsible for the decision to attempt a rehabilitation of Coach Rice," Pernetti said in a statement this morning. "Dismissal and corrective action were debated in December and I thought it was in the best interest of everyone to rehabilitate, but I was wrong. Moving forward, I will work to regain the trust of the Rutgers community."

Vis
04-03-2013, 02:02 PM
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harrison'samonster
04-03-2013, 02:04 PM
there's just no reason for a coach to act that way. I am sorry to see the school go from giving him another chance to firing him just because it went public

Vis
04-03-2013, 02:08 PM
there's just no reason for a coach to act that way. I am sorry to see the school go from giving him another chance to firing him just because it went public


When the school found out last summer they did nothing. When a compilation tape was sent to them (compiled from tapes the school already had) they suspended him. When that tape was on ESPN they fired him. If the compilation tape had never been created, Rice would never have been reprimanded at all, it looks like.

Vis
04-03-2013, 03:09 PM
Jerry Sandusky Horrified By Behavior Of Rutgers Basketball Coach
Sports News in Brief • sports • ISSUE 49•14 • Apr 3, 2013



WAYNESBURG, PA—Calling the conduct “shocking and disgraceful,” former Penn State football coach and convicted serial child molester Jerry Sandusky expressed his outrage Tuesday over the actions of now-fired Rutgers men’s basketball coach Mike Rice. “I have to say, that kind of behavior is totally unacceptable, especially from someone who is supposed to be teaching and nurturing young athletes, for God’s sake,” said Sandusky, who called the recently leaked video of Rice kicking, pushing, and screaming gay slurs at his players during practice “absolutely sickening.” “He had a responsibility to these boys, and what he did was not only completely inappropriate, but also, to be perfectly frank, downright disgusting. How a guy like that, with the mental problems he has, was ever allowed to be around these kids in the first place is totally beyond me. Unbelievable.” In addition to his harsh criticism of Rice, Sandusky also blasted Rutgers athletic director Tim Pernetti and university president Robert Barchi for not immediately firing the coach after the video was first brought to their attention last year.

CrickRat23
04-03-2013, 10:27 PM
I am surprised one of the kids did not kick his ass. Sure, they probably would have been kicked off of the team, but it would probably have been worth it. The coach was a prick.

harrison'samonster
04-03-2013, 10:34 PM
I am surprised one of the kids did not kick his ass. Sure, they probably would have been kicked off of the team, but it would probably have been worth it. The coach was a prick.

to be honest I thought the same thing.

Vis
04-05-2013, 11:28 AM
Rutgers AD Tim Pernetti resigns
By Brett McMurphy
ESPN

Tim Pernetti resigned as Rutgers' athletic director, a source said Friday, two days after video came to light showing men's basketball coach Mike Rice shoving, grabbing and throwing balls at players and using gay slurs during practice.

Pernetti's job status was actually arrived at Thursday by the school, a source said. Rutgers president Robert L. Barchi will hold a news conference on campus at 1 p.m. ET.

Like Pernetti, Barchi was sharply criticized for Rice remaining on the job as cocach for as long as he did. Barchi is "highly likely" to remain with the university, a source said.

Pernetti's ouster follows his firing of Rice on Wednesday and the resignation of assistant coach Jimmy Martelli, who also was seen on tape treating players in a like manner. The video was obtained by "Outside the Lines" and aired on ESPN on Tuesday.

More than 50 Rutgers faculty members had signed a letter calling for the dismissal of Pernetti for his handling of the Rice situation. Pernetti, with the approval of Barchi, initially suspended Rice three games in December 2012 and fined him $50,000. Eric Murdock, the former director of player development for the Scarlet Knights, told "Outside The Lines" that he spoke with Pernetti in June and November about Rice's mistreatment of players. Murdock, who was fired by Rice and Pernetti in early July, also told ESPN that was not contacted beyond his November discussion with Pernetti and other university officials.

Murdock told "Outside the Lines" that Rice's "outrageous" behavior had caused at least three players to transfer from the team. Murdock's attorney, Raj Gadhok, has said Murdock intends to sue Rutgers for wrongful termination.

harrison'samonster
04-05-2013, 11:33 AM
hope Murdoch gets whatever he wants in that suit!

jacobo
04-06-2013, 07:38 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2013/04/04/two-rutgers-players-defend-fired-coach-mike-rice-and-his-actions-caught-on/

Seems like the kids were ok with it.

Probably an unpopular opinion, but he shouldn't have lost his job over this. He did take things too far when he started throwing balls at the kids, but it wasn't with great frequency (those tapes make it seem like it happened more than it did) and shit happens when emotions are high, and sometimes anger has a way of taking over. It's unfortunate he handled himself that way, but other than the ball throwing, he didn't do anything almost every other coach has done in the past. Name calling happens (I seriously doubt he was using the gay slurs in the traditional sense, ie not trying to call the kids gay) and coaches get in players faces to ruffle feathers. Hell, Bob Knight made a career out of it, and he's working at the very place where Rice's image was getting tarnished. He should've been suspended and forced to take anger counseling. Honeslty, if you can't take name calling and a coach getting in your face you shouldn't be playing sports. How the hell are players supposed to take all the trash talking that happens during games when they can't even take it from their coach? It's all for motivation.

Rabbit
04-06-2013, 07:46 PM
(I seriously doubt he was using the gay slurs in the traditional sense, ie not trying to call the kids gay)

Oh, it's okay to call people ******s and pussies as long as you're not insinuating that they're gay.

Got it.

harrison'samonster
04-06-2013, 07:54 PM
Oh, it's okay to call people ******s and pussies as long as you're not insinuating that they're gay.

Got it.

that seems to be something a lot of people don't understand, especially kids. I'm surprised the players would speak up for a coach that acted this way. Is it a job of a coach to imitate juvenile behavior to prep you for competitors? Doesn't seem that way to me.

A coach should be a role model to their players, especially when dealing with younger players. I hate to use this example all the time, but that's why I dislike the Harbaugh's, they both come off as whiners on the sideline.

jacobo
04-06-2013, 08:34 PM
Oh, it's okay to call people ******s and pussies as long as you're not insinuating that they're gay.

Got it.

If they can't handle it, why are they playing a sport lol.

tough love. prepping players for what they're going to experience. trying to get a response from a player who isn't doing their job. Every coach is different and have different ways of handling it. You think Cowher was nice to his players when they fucked up? c'mon. Shit like this (short of the ball throwing) works.

What really pisses me off is that the players didn't have a problem with it themselves, neither did the school for the most part, but when tape gets out to the media, everyone who isn't involved is suddenly an expert and knows what's right for them.

that seems to be something a lot of people don't understand, especially kids. I'm surprised the players would speak up for a coach that acted this way. Is it a job of a coach to imitate juvenile behavior to prep you for competitors? Doesn't seem that way to me.

A coach should be a role model to their players, especially when dealing with younger players. I hate to use this example all the time, but that's why I dislike the Harbaugh's, they both come off as whiners on the sideline.

Other than the ball throwing I don't see what's so juvenile about his behavior. Players respond to coaches getting in their faces. It builds mental toughness unlike anything else. If you can handle your coach yelling and insulting your play, opposing players and road games are nothing. And everybody knows how raucous college basketball crowds can get.

And who's to say he isn't a role model? Because he got mad a few times? From all accounts the players liked and respected him. Different coaches have different methods and most of them are viable, especially since there are only a few basic archetypes of those methods that most coaches use. This dude is in the Bob Knight mold. And it clearly worked for Knight.

harrison'samonster
04-06-2013, 08:45 PM
Knight is still unrespected among many people I talk to, whether he's popular at this point or not.

I say he isn't a role model. What's wrong with teaching good sportsmanship? He's not doing that with that with the way he carries himself. This coach reacts out of frustration and not in an attempt to teach them anything. There's a huge difference between getting in a players face and challenging them, and what he was doing. He'd push them around with cheap little shoves or throw the ball at them. That's not coaching.

I'm dissapointed that the school only fired him after the public saw this video as well, but that doesn't make what he did ok.

jacobo
04-06-2013, 08:52 PM
Knight is still unrespected among many people I talk to, whether he's popular at this point or not.

I say he isn't a role model. What's wrong with teaching good sportsmanship? He's not doing that with that with the way he carries himself. This coach reacts out of frustration and not in an attempt to teach them anything. There's a huge difference between getting in a players face and challenging them, and what he was doing. He'd push them around with cheap little shoves or throw the ball at them. That's not coaching.

I'm dissapointed that the school only fired him after the public saw this video as well, but that doesn't make what he did ok.

Was he not teaching good sportsmanship? We only saw that little reel of very few practices over a very long year. Those are him at his worst. We don't know what he was like at his best. The players do, and they've supported him so far. He can't be that bad a guy. Shit happens. He wasn't right, but he isn't evil, and doesn't deserve to have his career ruined over it. The school didn't see anything to fire him over. He paid his due to them (he was fined and suspended) before it all came out to the media. That, along with his kids liking him should be enough to say he's a decent dude who let his emotions get to him.

harrison'samonster
04-06-2013, 09:00 PM
Was he not teaching good sportsmanship? We only saw that little reel of very few practices over a very long year. Those are him at his worst. We don't know what he was like at his best. The players do, and they've supported him so far. He can't be that bad a guy. Shit happens. He wasn't right, but he isn't evil, and doesn't deserve to have his career ruined over it. The school didn't see anything to fire him over. He paid his due to them (he was fined and suspended) before it all came out to the media. That, along with his kids liking him should be enough to say he's a decent dude who let his emotions get to him.

One incident of frustration happens, a few are ok. But this video shows a series of them. You're right we don't know everything. I personally would have liked to see him get a suspension or some anger management training instead of being fired, and that's what I think he needs. If he was teaching good sportmanship, he was throwing it all away with every shove or throw of the ball. Actions speak louder than words. And video evidence doesn't talk, it screams.

However, the official's at the school didn't exactly demonstrate that they could be trusted to determine a proper punishment (they fired a guy who reported the coaches behavior).

jacobo
04-06-2013, 09:21 PM
One incident of frustration happens, a few are ok. But this video shows a series of them. You're right we don't know everything. I personally would have liked to see him get a suspension or some anger management training instead of being fired, and that's what I think he needs. If he was teaching good sportmanship, he was throwing it all away with every shove or throw of the ball. Actions speak louder than words. And video evidence doesn't talk, it screams.

However, the official's at the school didn't exactly demonstrate that they could be trusted to determine a proper punishment (they fired a guy who reported the coaches behavior).

You're making good points, but I still don't think it was as detrimental as you do. Let's agree to disagree http://forums.steelersfever.com/images/smilies/drink.gif

harrison'samonster
04-06-2013, 09:24 PM
always a pleasure having a conversation with somebody who is rational and doesn't take things personally, even if we disagree!

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