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Galax Steeler
04-04-2013, 03:52 AM
By Ed Bouchette / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Others may debate whether the Steelers are in a period of transition, but Dan Rooney certainly finds himself in one. Back as the team's chairman, he traded in his three-year job as U.S. Ambassador to Ireland for one that employs him as Steelers ambassador to everywhere.

The overlap of old job with renewed job found him in the White House movie theatre Tuesday with President Obama and Harrison Ford, among others, for a showing of the upcoming release of "42," a film about Jackie Robinson. What better crowd to celebrate Robinson breaking baseball's color barrier than the first African-American president and the man who brought to the NFL the Rooney Rule, which has helped minority assistant coaches land head-coaching jobs.

Rooney was there to help out Steelers partner Thomas Tull, a producer of "42," and there will be more jobs like it as he resumes his duties with the Steelers. His transition from the team's daily boss to its chairman and the transfer of decision-maker to his son Art Rooney II occurred years ago. Now, after a brief career change, he returns to the team on a daily basis more as an advisor and ambassador than administrator.

"I still talk to players and things like that," Rooney said in an interview at the team's South Side offices Tuesday. "Now, I get involved in a lot of community things and try to do things that are good for us, like what I did yesterday."

He will not hesitate in that capacity to offer his opinions, though, as he did Tuesday, both on the direction of the NFL and his own team. Opposing some opinions from sections of the Steelers fan base, he likes the direction in which both are going.

Start with the Steelers, the ones who missed the playoffs at 8-8 and are losing key players faster than they did games in the second half of the 2012 season.

"With us, 8-8 is a bad season," Rooney said. "Some other teams, they're happy to get 8-8. We need to keep that focus that our goal is to go for the Super Bowl, we've got to make the playoffs and we've got to do this. I think that everybody here, especially ... Kevin [Colbert], Mike [Tomlin], Art, me, and other people, that's the goal, to win."

He even contradicted Tomlin's "Next man up" philosophy when it came to all the injuries his team sustained in 2012.

"Coaches will say, 'We have to play with what we have and guys are supposed to step in.' You can't say that you're trying to build up a young guy in his first or second year and get him to be able to play; you can't say that if you get your first-line guy hurt that you're going to put one of these guys in here and they'll play the same."

And the man who helped elect Roger Goodell believes "the commissioner is doing a good job," particularly with his continued emphasis on making the game safer.

"As far as the safety, I'm all for it. I don't know whether I should even say this, but that's why I was really upset with the idea of hurting people, the bounty situation.

"I just cannot fathom why anybody would do that. You're in the same business. A guy that's playing for one team might be playing for another team next week, and you hurt him!

"But, as far as looking at the rules, I remember George Halas, we were in a meeting ... he held up the NFL book that had the rules in it ... he said, 'See what it says in here? This book has not been changed for the last three years. That's the way it should be. We have a good game and we shouldn't be changing it."

Rooney disagrees with Halas, to a point. The game must change, just not too much. He disagreed with Goodell, for example, when he tried to add two games to the NFL regular-season schedule. But he has come around on the use of instant replay and thinks it should be expanded.

"I'm from old school. I'm not big on adding games, I was reluctant on the instant replay; I liked what they said in baseball, 'It ain't nothing until I call it.'

"I have to say that I think the instant replay is good. I think that one thing that I said when it first happened and said this when they were going to use it, I said you should use it all the time."

An area of dismay to him since the end of the 2012 season was the failure of the Rooney Rule to help one minority become a head coach in eight vacancies. The rule requires each team to interview at least one minority coach for any such vacancies.

"Let's say this, it was a disappointment that of the eight teams that were looking for new coaches, that some didn't find a candidate and, for them, they didn't hire anyone. But I have to say this, they did follow the Rooney Rule. We had total compliance. Every one of them interviewed [a minority candidate] ... They did what they were supposed to, they followed the rule, made the interviews and things like that.

"Why they didn't choose anyone, you'd have to talk to them. I believe that there are qualified people and that they should take a stronger look at them when they're doing this."

There has been talk of adjusting the rule somehow to make the process even more open to minority candidates.

"We're not in any position now to make major changes," Rooney said. "There are some things that, I feel, we need to look at. The biggest thing people are talking about is [we] ought to make the coordinators [hiring process follow the same rule]. It's pretty hard to tell, especially a new head coach who is trying to get his staff together, you have to hire a minority at this position. It's a battle.

"I think one of the things, and I've talked to Tony Dungy about it, I think that there is too much a rush to hire a new coach and for him to fill his staff. Now, that is even a little more understandable because there are teams vying for a lot of people, but they have this idea that they have to get this guy right now or someone else is going to get him. I have never taken that position."

Rooney, 80, will continue to represent the Steelers in many NFL matters, and rejoin league committees. He has found the requests on his time have increased locally since he returned from Dublin in December. He also will be inducted into the Irish American Hall of Fame in June in Chicago.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/dan-rooney-settles-into-new-role-with-steelers-681972/#ixzz2PU01yZpY

sloppyjoe
04-04-2013, 07:07 AM
and people still want to believe that tomlin wasnt hired because he was a minority?

VaDave
04-04-2013, 07:27 AM
That's quite an assertion there Sloppy.....

EVEN if that were true, I'm here to tell you there are and have been a whole lot worse coaches in this league, and Rooney hired a couple of them ( Nixon and Austin. Yes, there was Steeler football prior to Chuck Noll). His Dad hired more than a few of them.

sloppyjoe
04-04-2013, 08:45 AM
That's quite an assertion there Sloppy.....

EVEN if that were true, I'm here to tell you there are and have been a whole lot worse coaches in this league, and Rooney hired a couple of them ( Nixon and Austin. Yes, there was Steeler football prior to Chuck Noll). His Dad hired more than a few of them.


thers no doubt there have been worse coaches hired in this league. however, if an individual cant read what rooney himself said in those quotes and understand how important it is for him to have minority(black) head coaches in this league, and think he didnt hire tomlin because of that, they are kidding themselves.

VaDave
04-04-2013, 08:49 AM
Important yes. Self serving? Not on your life.

What you are accusing him of, reverse bigotry in the case of Tomlin's hire, is something I don't by, and just between you and me, I find it just a tad offensive. I must have taken my sensitivity pills this morning.....

harrison'samonster
04-04-2013, 09:16 AM
thers no doubt there have been worse coaches hired in this league. however, if an individual cant read what rooney himself said in those quotes and understand how important it is for him to have minority(black) head coaches in this league, and think he didnt hire tomlin because of that, they are kidding themselves.

the troll says I'm kidding myself?

SteelersCanada
04-04-2013, 10:04 AM
Yeah, I bet Rooney has a new role with the Steelers - handcuffing Roethlisberger!

Also, on something equally as stupid, Rooney didn't hire Tomlin because he was black. Now, if you're willing to throw logic and common sense out the window for a second we can imagine he did and I'll say so what? So what if he did? He found the youngest coach to ever win a Super Bowl and he's been to another since then. Looking at his achievements this year alone, he beat the Super Bowl champs with his third string Quarterback in M&T. I won't go into his prior achievements because I won't again feed into another bullshit topic about Tomlin.

Steeler7BR
04-04-2013, 10:05 AM
thers no doubt there have been worse coaches hired in this league. however, if an individual cant read what rooney himself said in those quotes and understand how important it is for him to have minority(black) head coaches in this league, and think he didnt hire tomlin because of that, they are kidding themselves.

You say that as it is a bad thing to have at least one owner in the league that acutually cares about that. Art did a great job in making aware of that problem in football. Don't say he was the only person, of course not but he really did a great job supporting minority coaches especially in the NFL. And if you think he would hire a dumbass in his mind just to hire a black coach then your totally out of your mind.

harrison'samonster
04-04-2013, 10:23 AM
And if you think he would hire a dumbass in his mind just to hire a black coach then your totally out of your mind.

thank you! It would really take some kind of crazy to believe that Tomlin was hired just because he was black.

teegre
04-04-2013, 10:25 AM
and people still want to believe that tomlin wasnt hired because he was a minority?

As I've told you (several times before), Ron Rivera also interviewed... and last time that I checked, yep, Ron Rivera is still a minority.

Regardless, what's wrong with hiring a minority??? Do you mean to sound racist? or, is that perception merely a byproduct of your inability to post rationally?

fansince'76
04-04-2013, 10:47 AM
So, Dan Rooney, in order to "prove a point," knowingly hired a person that he felt wasn't the best qualified candidate, and in so doing, jeopardized years, and possibly even decades (considering how often the Steelers change coaches) of the franchise's well being simply to "live up to" a rule that bears his namesake?

Makes perfect sense. /sarcasm

VaDave
04-04-2013, 10:59 AM
You say that as it is a bad thing to have at least one owner in the league that acutually cares about that. Art did a great job in making aware of that problem in football. Don't say he was the only person, of course not but he really did a great job supporting minority coaches especially in the NFL. And if you think he would hire a dumbass in his mind just to hire a black coach then your totally out of your mind.

That thought did occur to me as well. Well said.

sloppyjoe
04-04-2013, 01:03 PM
i dont give a rats arse that tomlin is black but to believe that that didnt play a part in him being hired is idiotic.
who would have been hired if grimm and whiz were black and tomlin was white?
there's no way anyone(including jesse jackson and al sharpeton) would have thought it was fair to pass over 2 extremely experienced and successful black assistant coaches to hire a very young, little experienced, white coach.

harrison'samonster
04-04-2013, 01:05 PM
sounds like you care a lot about the color of his skin, if the basis of your argument is based on him being black.

VaDave
04-04-2013, 01:12 PM
i dont give a rats arse that tomlin is black but to believe that that didnt play a part in him being hired is idiotic.
who would have been hired if grimm and whiz were black and tomlin was white?
there's no way anyone(including jesse jackson and al sharpeton) would have thought it was fair to pass over 2 extremely experienced and successful black assistant coaches to hire a very young, little experienced, white coach.

Considering both Wizenhunt and Grimm were both cashiered last year, and Tomlin wasn't, you might want to reassess your point of view of who was more qualified.

GMU Steeler
04-04-2013, 01:23 PM
It actually makes perfect sense that they hired Tomlin if you look at Cowher and Noll. Tomlin like Cowher and Noll was a young and under 40 and little known defensive coordinator. I think claiming race played a part in it does a huge disservice to both Rooney and Tomlin. And frankly I am glad we hired Tomlin over Whisenhunt, Rivera, and Grimm. Yes, he could be better but I'd gladly take Tomlin over those three.

teegre
04-04-2013, 03:20 PM
i dont give a rats arse that tomlin is black

Then why bring it up???

More importantly, why bring it up every time there is a Tomlin thread? If it's truly not an issue for you, then STOP talking about it!!!

I've seen pictures... so, I know that Tomlin is black. I do NOT need to be reminded of that obvious fact. He's also male... and has ten fingers... and sometimes wears sunglasses...

You mention Whiz, Grimm... but, once again, leave out Ron Rivera. You do understand that Rivera is a minority, too... right?

Regardless, Grimm wasn't even a coordinator; he was a position coach. So, why would Grimm get the job over Tomlin??? That makes NO sense. Likewise, Whiz was coordicator... of an average offense, as opposed to Tomlin, who was the coordinator of a league-leading defense. So, again, why would Whiz get the job over Tomlin? That makes NO sense.

The only two options that made sense were Rivera and Tomlin... but, since you won't even acknowledge Rivera, then that leaves just Tomlin... who, by the way, is black (in case anyone missed it).

ebsteelers
04-04-2013, 03:25 PM
Then why bring it up???

More importantly, why bring it up every time there is a Tomlin thread? If it's truly not an issue for you, then STOP talking about it!!!

I've seen pictures... so, I know that Tomlin is black. I do NOT need to be reminded of that obvious fact. He's also male... and has ten fingers... and sometimes wears sunglasses...

You mention Whiz, Grimm... but, once again, leave out Ron Rivera. You do understand that Rivera is a minority, too... right?

Regardless, Grimm wasn't even a coordinator; he was a position coach. So, why would Grimm get the job over Tomlin??? That makes NO sense. Likewise, Whiz was coordicator... of an average offense, as opposed to Tomlin, who was the coordinator of a league-leading defense. So, again, why would Whiz get the job over Tomlin? That makes NO sense.

The only two options that made sense were Rivera and Tomlin... but, since you won't even acknowledge Rivera, then that leaves just Tomlin... who, by the way, is black (in case anyone missed it).


Tomlins Black?


who knew? :rofl:



Did you know Tomlin on most sundays has a fresh hair cut?



Mike "Swag" Tomlin

harrison'samonster
04-04-2013, 03:30 PM
Then why bring it up???

More importantly, why bring it up every time there is a Tomlin thread?

trollin' is what trolls do

FrancoLambert
04-04-2013, 03:41 PM
You know, if someone is convinced Tomlin was hired MAINLY because he's black, you're never going to change his mind no matter how much logic you dish out to him.

Better not to engage him, nothing will convince him he's wrong.

Better to ignore those that are that narrow minded....maybe they'll go away quicker

Riddle_Of_Steel
04-04-2013, 03:45 PM
I think I have to play devil's advocate here and take SLOPPY's side for a change.

He is NOT commenting on whether or not Tomlin is a good coach in this instance. His assertion is that Tomlin's minority status played a part in his hiring-- and to that, I have to agree strongly. Anything outside that is beyond the scope of his argument.

The normal "Steelers way" is to hire from within the organization, as many are speculating they will do with Kirby Wilson once DL retires, as Arians did when the Wiz went to Arizona.

I am NOT talking historically, as in the entirety of the Steelers' history-- I am talking about recently, since the younger Rooney took over.

For them to bring in an outside guy, especially for a position as important as head coach, means there had to be something special about the candidate, or the situation. Something special, to get preferential hring over two much more experienced coaches, who were both intimiately familiar with the scheme that was in place already (Whiz & Grimm). The Whiz jumped ship to Arizona once it became apparent that he was going to get passed over in favor of an affirmative action hire in Pittsburgh.

It is no small coincidence that the same ownership that created the Rooney Rule are the same ones who hired a less qualified minority coach over two proven white coaches.

I personally was a fan of the hire, because I think the team needed a new direction and fresh perspective-- but I wasn't just born yesterday.....I fully realize he was an affirmative action hire. Some of them do work out good though.

teegre
04-04-2013, 03:52 PM
I think I have to play devil's advocate here and take SLOPPY's side for a change.

He is NOT commenting on whether or not Tomlin is a good coach in this instance. His assertion is that Tomlin's minority status played a part in his hiring-- and to that, I have to agree strongly. Anything outside that is beyond the scope of his argument.

The normal "Steelers way" is to hire from within the organization, as many are speculating they will do with Kirby Wilson once DL retires, as Arians did when the Wiz went to Arizona.

For them to bring in an outside guy, especially for a position as important as head coach, means there had to be something special about the candidate, or the situation. Something special, to get preferential hring over two much more experienced coaches, who were both intimiately familiar with the scheme that was in place already (Whiz & Grimm). The Whiz jumped ship to Arizona once it became apparent that he was going to get passed over in favor of an affirmative action hire in Pittsburgh.

It is no small coincidence that the same ownership that created the Rooney Rule are the same ones who hired a less qualified minority coach over two proven white coaches.

I personally was a fan of the hire, because I think the team needed a new direction and fresh perspective-- but I wasn't just born yesterday.....I fully realize he was an affirmative action hire. Some of them do work out good though.

How again were they more qualified? Grimm wasn't even a coordinator; he was a position coach. Likewise, Whiz was coordinator... of an average offense (as opposed to Tomlin, who was the coordinator of a league-leading defense).

True: Pittsburgh's coordinators are groomed from within...

BUT... Noll was brought in from the outside. Cowher was brought in from the outside. And, Tomlin was brought in from the outside.

harrison'samonster
04-04-2013, 03:52 PM
I think I have to play devil's advocate here and take SLOPPY's side for a change.

He is NOT commenting on whether or not Tomlin is a good coach in this instance. His assertion is that Tomlin's minority status played a part in his hiring-- and to that, I have to agree strongly. Anything outside that is beyond the scope of his argument.

The normal "Steelers way" is to hire from within the organization, as many are speculating they will do with Kirby Wilson once DL retires, as Arians did when the Wiz went to Arizona.

For them to bring in an outside guy, especially for a position as important as head coach, means there had to be something special about the candidate, or the situation. Something special, to get preferential hring over two much more experienced coaches, who were both intimiately familiar with the scheme that was in place already (Whiz & Grimm). The Whiz jumped ship to Arizona once it became apparent that he was going to get passed over in favor of an affirmative action hire in Pittsburgh.

It is no small coincidence that the same ownership that created the Rooney Rule are the same ones who hired a less qualified minority coach over two proven white coaches.

I personally was a fan of the hire, because I think the team needed a new direction and fresh perspective-- but I wasn't just born yesterday.....

I disagree that Whiz and Grimm were proven coaches, one an offensive coordinator that apparently didn't get along with his franchise QB, and the other an OL coach. I also don't believe they were passed over "in favor" of Tomlin, they were just simply passed over.

Cowher wasn't a hire from within. Is there any precedent of the Steelers hiring a HC from within the organization

ebsteelers
04-04-2013, 03:53 PM
How again were they more qualified? Grimm wasn't even a coordinator; he was a position coach. Likewise, Whiz was coordinator... of an average offense (as opposed to Tomlin, who was the coordinator of a league-leading defense).

True: Pittsburgh's coordinators are groomed from within...

BUT... Noll was brought in from the outside. Cowher was brought in from the outside. And, Tomlin was brought in from the outside.

and ebsteelers was brought from the outside!!! that is once mike is fired cause you know he needs to be fired teegre cause hes not qualified

harrison'samonster
04-04-2013, 03:54 PM
and ebsteelers was brought from the outside!!! that is once mike is fired cause you know he needs to be fired teegre cause hes not qualified

what are your qualifications? more importantly what is your race? Apparently that's how the Rooney's think :chuckle:

teegre
04-04-2013, 03:57 PM
and ebsteelers was brought from the outside!!! that is once mike is fired cause you know he needs to be fired teegre cause hes not qualified

Adam Schefter is reporting:
"Mike Tomlin will be released right before the draft, as will Kevin Colbert. Little-known ebsteelers will replace both men, making him one of the very few GM/HCs in the NFL."

GoFor7
04-04-2013, 03:59 PM
Dan, please make Artie go stand in a corner. He's fucking up your team, and yinzer nation is too dumb to see it.

VaDave
04-04-2013, 04:05 PM
One point to consider, the last 6 head coach hires by the Steelers were outside hires. Inside position in the coaching staff doesn't mean much to the Rooneys. The last inside head coaching hire, if I have my history right, was either Keisling, or Micholson, somewhere back in the 50s. Hardly the stuff to build a case on.

As for this specific hire, did race play a part in it? Of course is was. The last time I checked Tomlin is a member of the human RACE. I hate to thing what a team would be like if it were run by a platypus ..... As for why or who the Rooneys hire, it's their team. They can hire who they want to.

harrison'samonster
04-04-2013, 04:11 PM
VaDave, you made it to the out of context thread. It was the platypus that done it.

teegre
04-04-2013, 04:12 PM
Dan, please make Artie go stand in a corner. He's fucking up your team, and yinzer nation is too dumb to see it.

:deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse:

ebsteelers
04-04-2013, 04:14 PM
Adam Schefter is reporting:
"Mike Tomlin will be released right before the draft, as will Kevin Colbert. Little-known ebsteelers will replace both men, making him one of the very few GM/HCs in the NFL."

im also a punter, quarterback and nose guard.. dont forget it!!:rofl:

teegre
04-04-2013, 04:21 PM
im also a punter, quarterback and nose guard.. dont forget it!!:rofl:

You're a modern day Sammy Baugh... only better!!!

SteelersCanada
04-04-2013, 04:31 PM
Dan, please make Artie go stand in a corner. He's fucking up your team, and yinzer nation is too dumb to see it.

I think it's funny that we're making jokes about you and these kind of comments but you can't see it and then turn around and call us "dumb yinzer nation".

VaDave
04-04-2013, 04:42 PM
VaDave, you made it to the out of context thread. It was the platypus that done it.

Just be thankful I've not resorted to such lingo as "Zounds", "Alas", or "Vibraphone".....