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BrandonCarr39
04-12-2013, 12:54 PM
http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/rick-warren-says-son-got-illegal-gun-internet-150158462--abc-news-politics.html
4/12/13
Rick Warren Says Late Son Got Illegal Gun on Internet

Pastor Rick Warren said Thursday that his son, Matthew, purchased an unregistered gun over the Internet. It was that weapon that he used to take his own life last week after years of battling mental illness.

"Someone on the internet sold Matthew an unregistered gun. I pray he seeks God's forgiveness. I forgive him. #MATTHEW 6:15," Warren tweeted Thursday.

The Orange County Sheriff's Department told the Associated Press it is trying to identify the seller, but the gun's serial number was unreadable, making it difficult to trace the firearm.

"We can't tell if it's registered or not because the serial number is scratched off," Jim Amormino, spokesman for the Orange County Sheriff's Department, told the AP. "At one point in time, it may have been [registered], but it's going to be impossible to find out."

California requires background checks on all gun purchases, and it is a federal offense to deface a firearm's serial number.

An autopsy revealed Matthew Warren died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound last Friday. On Saturday, the Warren family sent a message about their son's death to the Saddleback Church community, where Rick Warren has been pastor for over 30 years.

"Our youngest son, Matthew, age 27, and a lifelong member of Saddleback, died today," Rick Warren wrote. "Only those closest knew that he struggled from birth with mental illness, dark holes of depression, and even suicidal thoughts. In spite of America's best doctors, meds, counselors, and prayers for healing, the torture of mental illness never subsided. Today, after a fun evening together with Kay and me, in a momentary wave of despair at his home, he took his life."

harrison'samonster
04-12-2013, 01:39 PM
really sad news. my prayers go out to the family

BrandonCarr39
04-12-2013, 01:53 PM
really sad news. my prayers go out to the family

Yes, but he's turning this into a political issue now.(ie-look at what's going on on Capitol Hill presently) If not were for the gun, his son would have found something else(ie-perhaps some rope).

harrison'samonster
04-12-2013, 01:57 PM
his son has died, as far as I'm concerned he can turn it into a political issue. I'm sure it's part of the grieving process. And anybody who says he's just trying to use this to further his own ambitions is going to have to back that up unless they want to be a total jackass.

Vis
04-12-2013, 02:01 PM
Today, after a fun evening together with Kay and me, in a momentary wave of despair at his home, he took his life."

Something doesn't line up. Maybe it wasn't a fun evening or maybe his meds were way off.

There isn't a political issue involving the gun. The gun in question was illegally sold and purchased. Politics did it's part, enforcement is next.

BrandonCarr39
04-12-2013, 02:28 PM
The Warren family came out 24 hours after his death(Saturday) saying their son Matthew committed suicide. However, the coroner didn't rule it a suicide until Monday. So why was Warren so quick to come out saying so?

There are other things that don't line up.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/southern-calif-church-says-son-of-pastor-rick-warren-commits-suicide/2013/04/06/144bc788-9eff-11e2-9219-51eb8387e8f1_story.html
4/6/13
Southern Calif. church says son of Pastor Rick Warren commits suicide
Warren, the author of the multimillion-selling book “The Purpose Driven Life,” said in an email to church staff that he and his wife had enjoyed a fun Friday evening with their son before Matthew Warren returned home to take his life in “a momentary wave of despair.”


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/08/autopsy-says-calif-megachurch-pastor-rick-warren-son-died-self-inflicted/
4/8/13
Autopsy says Calif. pastor Rick Warren's son died of self-inflicted gunshot wound
Sheriff's spokesman Jim Amormino said Monday that 27-year-old Matthew Warren died at about 10 a.m. on Friday.


http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-rick-warren-gun-suicide-20130410,0,829040.story
Rick Warren son 'probably not' owner of gun in suicide, cops say
4/12/13

Police do not know where Pastor Rick Warren’s son got the gun he used to commit suicide, an Orange County Sheriff’s Department official said Wednesday.

Matthew Warren, 27, was "probably not" the owner of the weapon he used to shoot himself about 10 a.m. Friday in his Mission Viejo home, department spokesman Jim Amormino said.

Investigators are trying to determine how he got it. A source close to the investigation said Warren used a shotgun. The Sheriff’s Department declined to comment.

The death at the younger Warren's home on Pradera Drive was reported to authorities about 5:25 p.m. Friday, Supervising Deputy Coroner Dan Aikin said.

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So one report says his son died Friday night(after they got back from an outing), another report says 10am on Friday, while another report says they found him dead sometime after 5pm? Which is it?

California has one of the strictest, if not the strictest gun control laws in the nation, so where and how did he get the gun if he got it illegally(and authorities still don't know)?

Why was a self-professing Christian pastor giving his son to psychiatrists and medications for many years, instead of showing him the good news of the gospel of Jesus Christ?

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.


Depression Screening, A Cruel Fraud; Exposing National Depression Screening Day
October 13, 2006
Why is Depression Screening a fraud?
http://www.articlecity.com/articles/health/article_5672.shtml

People who are opposed to mental health screening are outraged because the survey used in screening has been written by psychiatrists with financial ties to drug companies, thus creating a booming psychiatry-pharmaceutical industry. Signs of Suicide, a similar program to TeenScreen has been developed and promoted by a corporation called Screening for Mental Health (SMH), Inc. On this site http://www.signsofsuicide.org/ is evidence that pharmaceutical companies have given MILLIONS in grants to the SMH in order to forward the program testing of adults and children for suicide risks, depression, eating disorders, alcoholism in schools, colleges, and the workplace, and the military.

Pharmaceutical companies want to support screening programs because they stand to make Billions on the sale of drugs to the people who will be screened. Eli Lilly alone poured in $2,157,925.00 (amongst others) into Screening for Mental Health Inc. from 2001 to 2004.

harrison'samonster
04-12-2013, 02:31 PM
Why was a self-professing Christian pastor giving his son to psychiatrists and medications for many years, instead of showing him the good news of the gospel of Jesus Christ?




seriously?

Vis
04-12-2013, 03:38 PM
My first suspicion is that Matthew came out to his parents and they tried to "cure" him instead of supporting him. Was there a note? Was the note destroyed before the cops were called?

Vis
04-12-2013, 04:23 PM
seriously?

I think he's serious. Look:

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/drscottjohnsoncritique30sep09.shtml

Vis
04-12-2013, 05:22 PM
charlatan or psycho?

The_Joker
04-12-2013, 05:29 PM
seriously?

He's serious :toofunny:

Vis
04-12-2013, 05:40 PM
5b1aIuoCq4w

harrison'samonster
04-12-2013, 06:10 PM
charlatan or psycho?

psycho


reason people are running from the church OR an island of morals for us all to swim towards

Atlanta Dan
04-12-2013, 06:45 PM
The "illegal" gun is a red herring in a sad story -he could have just bought a gun - if not in California then by driving to Arizona (Mexican gangs buy their guns in Arizona)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHnXTueCEAE8Nsc.jpg:large

MACH1
04-12-2013, 07:23 PM
The "illegal" gun is a red herring in a sad story -he could have just bought a gun - if not in California then by driving to Arizona (Mexican gangs get their guns in from Eric Holder)

Fixed it

Atlanta Dan
04-12-2013, 08:46 PM
Fixed it

If you "fix" it and wanted to accurately pursue your agenda at least get the government perps right - the operation was botched by the US Attorney's Office in Arizona and the ATF, not Holder (who had nothing to do with the operation)

Blaming Holder for Fast & Furious is like blaming George W. Bush for implementing actions taken during the Cheney Administration