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IamTheSteelGod
04-14-2013, 05:37 PM
I know your all thinking 1974, but is there anyone out there who thinks another class comes close?

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=3900&type=team

For quality players 2002 comes in high.

Hawaii 5-0
04-14-2013, 05:52 PM
Steelers struck gold in '71 draft

By Scott Brown
Published: Friday, April 22, 2011

One of the more humorous introductions in Pittsburgh sports history took place 40 years ago in the Downtown Hilton.

After receiving a knock at the door of the suite where the Steelers were hosting players they recently drafted, Art Rooney Jr. opened to find a young man wearing slacks and a blue jacket.

So unimposing was the visitor that Rooney, who headed the Steelers' player personnel department, mistook him for a bell hop and asked if he was dropping off a letter.

"No," the young man said, "I'm Jack Ham."

Ham, as Rooney recalled recently with a laugh, ended up delivering much more than mail for the Steelers. He headlined a draft class that ranks among the greatest ever assembled — and helped set the standard for future Steelers drafts, including next week's.

The 1971 NFL Draft produced Ham, whom Steelers chairman emeritus and owner Dan Rooney has called the greatest outside linebacker in NFL history, and fellow Steel Curtain defense stalwarts Dwight White and Mike Wagner.

The Steelers, with their Midas touch, also selected tight end Larry Brown, who caught the only touchdown pass in Super Bowl IX and later excelled at right tackle, and defensive tackle Ernie "Fats" Holmes, who dominated his position during the six seasons he spent in Pittsburgh.

"That was a heck of a draft," said ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper Jr. "They've had so many years where they just had great draft after great draft — '71 was outstanding and '74 was phenomenal."

The Steelers' 1974 draft produced four players who eventually were inducted in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. It is considered by many to be the greatest draft class in NFL history.

But the '71 draft, which also included receiver Frank Lewis and guard Gerry "Moon" Mullins, helped lay the foundation for the dynasty that bloomed in the middle of the decade.

Five players from the draft played significant roles on all four Super Bowl-winning teams in the 1970s. Eight played in at least one Super Bowl — nine if you include safety Glen Edwards, who signed as an undrafted free agent in '71.

The class helped reverse the losing that had birthed the nickname "Same old Steelers" and provided ample building blocks for the franchise's rise.

Ham did not expect to land with the Steelers after a decorated career at Penn State. Nor was he particularly happy, he recalled, when the Steelers chose him with the eighth pick of the second round.

Ham said the New York Giants and San Diego Chargers had told him they planned to draft him in the first round.

The Chargers took running back Leon Burns with the 13th pick, and he rushed for 223 yards during the one season he spent in San Diego.

The Giants selected running back/receiver Rocky Thompson. He played a little more than two seasons with the Giants and had 302 rushing and receiving yards combined.

Both teams might have shied away from Ham for the same reason Art Rooney Jr. thought Ham was a part of the Hilton staff when they met face-to-face for the first time: Ham was not the biggest guy coming out of Penn State, and there had been differences of opinion about him among Steelers coaches and scouts.

Rooney said a couple of assistant coaches pushed to take Ham with the eighth overall pick. Coach Chuck Noll opted for Lewis, a speedster from Grambling. Rooney agreed with the pick, correctly guessing that the Steelers could get Ham in the second round.

Yet when he was available in the second round, a Steelers coach who had wanted to take Ham in the first round lobbied for Bowling Green linebacker Phil Villapiano.

Rooney was apoplectic.

"I screamed, 'Well, you're the same guy that wanted to take Ham in the first round. Now you're waffling!' " Rooney said. "You would break the tension by laughing, as it was a joke."

The Oakland Raiders picked Villapiano with the 45th overall pick — 11 after the Steelers selected Ham. Villapiano won a Super Bowl with the Raiders and played in four Pro Bowls, but history would prove the Steelers made the right call.

Ham added almost 15 pounds of muscle, and he made playing linebacker seem as natural as a fish in water.

"He was a perfect fit for Chuck Noll," Rooney said.

Ham's future roommate turned out to be a pretty good fit, too.

Injuries during his senior season at Western Illinois and playing at a small school caused Wagner to slide to the 11th round. An injury provided an opening for Wagner, and he became a starter his rookie season.

By the time he retired 10 years later, Wagner had won four Super Bowl rings and played in two Pro Bowls.

Not bad for the 268th pick who received a $3,000 signing bonus.

"Forty years is kind of scary," said Wagner, who stayed in Pittsburgh and is a successful businessman. "It was a great class, and the guys from '71, we're really proud of what we did."

Steelers' selections

The Steelers' 22-member draft class in 1971 included five men who would play at least nine NFL seasons and featured one Hall of Famer (Jack Ham). Here's a look at that class:

Frank Lewis (1st round): WR 13 seasons

Steelers traded Lewis in 1977 after John Stallworth and Lynn Swann made him expendable

Jack Ham (2nd round): LB 12 seasons

Eight-time Pro Bowler has the most interceptions (32) by a linebacker in Steelers history

Steve Davis (3rd round): RB 5 seasons

Was kick returner for '74 Super Bowl team; finished career with Jets

Gerry Mullins (4th round): G 9 seasons

'Moon' man started at right guard for 1975 Super Bowl team

Dwight White (4th round): DE • 10 seasons

Hero of Super Bowl IX, his 46 sacks are eighth on the Steelers' all-time list

Larry Brown (5th round): T 14 seasons

Played tight end from 1971-77, then moved to right tackle; made Pro Bowl in 1982

Ralph Anderson (5th round): DB 3 seasons

After two years with Steelers, made 10 starts with Patriots in 1973

Ernie Holmes (8th round): DT • 7 seasons

Battled personal issues but still ranks 10th on Steelers' all-time sacks list with 40

Mike Wagner (11th round): DB 10 seasons

Starting FS on four Super Bowl-winning teams; sixth on Steelers' interceptions list with 36

Al Young (13th round): WR • 2 seasons

Had six catches for '72 Steelers, his final NFL season

http://triblive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_733487.html#ixzz2QT98JVWc

harrison'samonster
04-14-2013, 05:53 PM
that 2002 draft is great, but I still see some potential in 2010 and 2011. We'll have to wait and see for them.

teegre
04-14-2013, 06:05 PM
Great find/great post.

I've mentioned on here how the 2002 draft laid the groundwork for the 2005 SuperBowl. And, how I really like the 2010 & 2011 drafts.... making for a serious run here during the next four years.

(I also liked the 2012 draft... until Spence got injured & Rainey got cut. Still, if Ta'amu can stay out of trouble, he is this generation's Joel Steed. DD, Adams, Ta'amu, & Beachum.)

harrison'samonster
04-14-2013, 06:33 PM
(I also liked the 2012 draft... until Spence got injured & Rainey got cut. Still, if Ta'amu can stay out of trouble, he is this generation's Joel Steed. DD, Adams, Ta'amu, & Beachum.)

I was thinking the same thing about last year! Spence, Decastro, and Adams all saw injuries. That's not something you can really avoid. But healthy, I think that could have been a great top 3 picks. Plus if Ta'amu pans out that be great, and Beachum at the end is like icing on the top!

WVABE
04-14-2013, 06:43 PM
1987 draft was fairly descent, not the greatest but descent.

Steeldude
04-15-2013, 08:39 AM
And, how I really like the 2010 & 2011 drafts.... making for a serious run here during the next four years.


Don't hold your breath

2011:

Cameron Heyward - DE - Ohio State

Marcus Gilbert - T - Florida

Curtis Brown - DB - Texas

Cortez Allen - DB - Citadel

Chris Carter - LB - Fresno State

Keith Williams - G - Nebraska

Baron Batch - RB - Texas Tech


2010:

Maurkice Pouncey - C - Florida

Jason Worilds -LB - Virginia Tech

Emmanuel Sanders - WR - Southern Methodist

Thaddeus Gibson - LB - Ohio State

Chris Scott - G - Tennessee

Crezdon Butler - DB - Clemson

Stevenson Sylvester - LB- Utah

Jonathan Dwyer - RB -Georgia Tech

Antonio Brown- WR - Central Michigan

Doug Worthington - DE - Ohio State

teegre
04-15-2013, 02:04 PM
Don't hold your breath

2011:

Cameron Heyward - DE - Ohio State

Marcus Gilbert - T - Florida

Curtis Brown - DB - Texas

Cortez Allen - DB - Citadel

Chris Carter - LB - Fresno State

Keith Williams - G - Nebraska

Baron Batch - RB - Texas Tech


2010:

Maurkice Pouncey - C - Florida

Jason Worilds -LB - Virginia Tech

Emmanuel Sanders - WR - Southern Methodist

Thaddeus Gibson - LB - Ohio State

Chris Scott - G - Tennessee

Crezdon Butler - DB - Clemson

Stevenson Sylvester - LB- Utah

Jonathan Dwyer - RB -Georgia Tech

Antonio Brown- WR - Central Michigan

Doug Worthington - DE - Ohio State

For most NFL teams, getting two starters and a back-up is a good draft. The reason that the 2002 draft was so spectacular, is that it netted five starters... although, not all of them were "Pro-Bowlers." [The 1974 draft is considered the best ever, because not only did it net four starters, those starters are all HofFamers.]

The 2011 draft:
Cortez Allen is now a starter, and he will be a Pro-Bowler.

Gilbert is a starter.

Heyward will start, as soon as The Beard retires. Baron Batch will be a very good third-down back.

Curtis Brown is not a very good CB, but he is a really good ST player. Likewise, Chris Carter might only be a career back-up, but he is a solid back-up, who could start for a few games here & there (like Clark Haggans or Jerry Olsalvsky).

SUMMATION:
One Pro-Bowl caliber player (Allen)
Two starters (Allen, Gilbert)... with one possible starter (Heyward).
Three contributors (Batch, Brown, Carter)

The 2010 draft:
Pouncey is the best OC in the game. AB is a Pro-Bowler.

Sanders has not lived up to his potential, but neither did Hines Ward for the first two years of his career. Similarly, this is a "make or break" year for Worilds.

Dwyer has started a few games, but unless he gets himself into better condition, he will not remain a starter. BUT, he is still a servicable RB (like Verron Haynes was).

Sylvester showed so much potential as a rookie. What happened there???

SUMMATION:
Two Pro-Bowl caliber players (Pouncey, AB)
Four starters (Pouncey, AB, Sanders, Worilds)... with one possible starter (Dwyer).

TheVet
04-15-2013, 05:30 PM
Well, I'm feeling a lot better about the 2008 class now that we've finally ditched our #1 and final bust!

The 2008 draft:

1. Rashard Mendenhall Marginal back, total bust for a #1.

2. Limas Sweed Bust for the ages.

3. Bruce Davis Total and complete bust..

4. Tony Hills lol bust

5. Dennis Dixon minibust

6A: Mike Humpal buster who?

6B. Ryan Mundy The gem of the draft!

Hawaii 5-0
04-15-2013, 05:44 PM
2. Limas Sweed Bust for the ages.


The Legend of Limas Sweed: The NFL Receiver Who Couldn't Catch

Cold, Hard Football Facts for Apr 12, 2013
By Scott Kacsmar

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The New England Patriots have signed restricted free agent receiver Emmanuel Sanders from the Steelers to an offer sheet. Should the Steelers not match, they will receive New England’s third-round pick (No. 91 overall) in the draft.

The Steelers probably should not match the offer as they are low on cap space and likely will not re-sign Sanders to a long-term deal after next season anyway. Take the third-round pick, which is nearly the same resource the Steelers used to draft Sanders (No. 82 in 2010).

Even with two of the flagship franchises in the NFL, here we go again on the wide receiver carousel with the teams experiencing very different rides since 2007:

New England has only 212 receptions from wide receivers they drafted. That is 9.35 percent of their total receptions.

Pittsburgh has 1,055 receptions from wide receivers they drafted. That is 54.66 percent of their total receptions.

The Patriots have all but given up on developing their own wide receivers. That trend started in 2007, but since making those trades for Randy Moss and Wes Welker, their success rate has been very spotty.

If the Steelers lose Sanders, they will have to be in the market for a wide receiver high in this month’s draft. They already lost Mike Wallace to Miami, and tight end Heath Miller is coming off a torn ACL late in the season. He’ll be 31.

While Pittsburgh can take pride in hitting on wide receivers in the later rounds of the draft – Antonio Brown was merely a sixth-round pick – they cannot forget why a few of those picks were necessary in the first place.

Limas Sweed was a second-round pick in the 2008 draft and he should go down as one of the worst wide receivers in NFL history.

Sweed’s bizarre career should be a reminder that catching the ball is still the most important skill a receiver must possess. For whatever reason, Sweed faltered under the spotlight of the NFL when it came to making catches. While some would say it is mental, let’s not forget Sweed played in front of over 80,000 people at a major program in Texas.

So let this be a cautionary tale of how a team can be tricked by a wide receiver in the draft, for this is The Legend of Limas Sweed.

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/the-legend-limas-sweed-the-nfl-receiver-who-couldnt-catch/22178/

OX1947
04-15-2013, 06:02 PM
Busts of the ages wasnt Limas Sweed. It was Huey Richardson and Jermaine Stephens.

Steeldude
04-15-2013, 07:38 PM
For most NFL teams, getting two starters and a back-up is a good draft. The reason that the 2002 draft was so spectacular, is that it netted five starters... although, not all of them were "Pro-Bowlers." [The 1974 draft is considered the best ever, because not only did it net four starters, those starters are all HofFamers.]

The 2011 draft:
Cortez Allen is now a starter, and he will be a Pro-Bowler. Pro Bowl means nothing. He is starting because he is next in line. When you have a team with no CBs, someone has to start. He only needed to beat out Brown

Gilbert is a starter. So was Kordell. Your point? So is Foote. Your point? Gilbert has not played well. He is starting only because of salary cap and people leaving.

Heyward will start, as soon as The Beard retires. Exactly. As soon as Kiesel retires. He can't even beat out Kiesel. Baron Batch will be a very good third-down back. Batch has not shown much

Curtis Brown is not a very good CB, but he is a really good ST player. Likewise, Chris Carter might only be a career back-up, but he is a solid back-up, who could start for a few games here & there (like Clark Haggans or Jerry Olsalvsky). How is Carter a solid backup? Taking up space is not solid? He did nothing at all on the field. Olsavsky was a starter. He was good until be injured his knee. Haggans was a product of the system like Gildon and Woodley.

These are all my opinions of course. The draft could turn out to be a good, maybe even great, but I wouldn't bank on it

SUMMATION:
One Pro-Bowl caliber player (Allen)
Two starters (Allen, Gilbert)... with one possible starter (Heyward).
Three contributors (Batch, Brown, Carter)

The 2010 draft:
Pouncey is the best OC in the game. AB is a Pro-Bowler.

Sanders has not lived up to his potential, but neither did Hines Ward for the first two years of his career. Similarly, this is a "make or break" year for Worilds.

Dwyer has started a few games, but unless he gets himself into better condition, he will not remain a starter. BUT, he is still a servicable RB (like Verron Haynes was).

Sylvester showed so much potential as a rookie. What happened there??? Injuries

SUMMATION:
Two Pro-Bowl caliber players (Pouncey, AB)
Four starters (Pouncey, AB, Sanders, Worilds)... with one possible starter (Dwyer).

Yes, they have found some players it appears, but nothing compared to 74. I doubt it will ever compare to it.

harrison'samonster
04-15-2013, 07:45 PM
poor Limas Sweed

Fire Arians
04-15-2013, 08:21 PM
1994 was the best draft, because my favorite player of all time, jason gildong, was drafted.

teegre
04-15-2013, 10:44 PM
1994 was the best draft, because my favorite player of all time, jason gildong, was drafted.

Dude, what about Taunto: the winged God of linebackers???

He was way better than The Dong.

teegre
04-15-2013, 10:55 PM
Yes, they have found some players it appears, but nothing compared to 74. I doubt it will ever compare to it.

Absolutely. The 1974 draft is THE standard. But, I was/am comparing the 2002 draft (as mentioned in the article) with the 2010 & 2011 drafts.

Anyway... on with the discussion.

GILBERT: I guess that I like him better than most Steelers fans do. I see him as Max Starks, part II.

FOOTE: A perfect name to bring up, because he was one of the players in that 2002 draft. While he currently is average (at best), he has been a rock-solid starter for a decade.

CARTER: Gildon didn't start for three years. Heck, Harrison didn't start for five years. Time... give him some time. I don't see the kid ever being a Greg Lloyd, but I do see him developing into a Clark Haggans.

KEISEL: Another perfect name to bring up, because he was one of the players in that 2002 draft. He didn't start until 2005; he was stuck behind Kimo. Likewise, so is Heyward.

HEYWARD: I have faith that Heyward will be a little better than The Beard, but not quite Ray Seals.

BATCH: He was still recovering from his knee injury. I see him as a Mewelde Moore type... only, maybe not as clutch (Moore was money).

SteelersCanada
04-15-2013, 11:16 PM
Comparing any draft to the 1974 draft is ridiculous. No team is going to find that kind of success again because of the advancements in scouting, personnel, etc. Saying we have potential on the roster and then shooting it down because it's not like the 1974 draft class is silly.

Fire Arians
04-16-2013, 12:43 AM
Dude, what about Taunto: the winged God of linebackers???

He was way better than The Dong.

yeah but he didn't have a catchy nickname like 'the kong of dong' :chuckle:

i mean, when farrior got a sack, you couldn't jump up and yell 'DONG SACK!' like you could with gildong

teegre
04-16-2013, 01:48 AM
yeah but he didn't have a catchy nickname like 'the kong of dong' :chuckle:

i mean, when farrior got a sack, you couldn't jump up and yell 'DONG SACK!' like you could with gildong

Very, very true.

But, when Farrior would whiff, while trying to cover a TE, one could say in a voice (making an homage to Hannibal Lector): "Fly, fly, fly... fly, fly fly..."

teegre
04-16-2013, 02:09 AM
2002 versus 2011
These two look a lot alike.

Simmons :: Gilbert
Randle El :: (no one)
Hope :: Allen
Foote :: Carter
Haynes :: Batch
Keisel :: Heyward

2002 versus 2010
These two match up well (value-wise) although for Hope & Sanders, the positions differ.

Simmons :: Pouncey
Randle El :: AB
Hope :: Sanders
Foote :: Worilds
Haynes :: Dwyer
Keisel :: (no one)

Steelers5895
04-16-2013, 08:53 AM
the 2013 draft class!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

teegre
04-16-2013, 10:03 AM
the 2013 draft class!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nice. :applaudit:

It'll make the 1974 draft class look like chopped liver. The 2013 Steelers draft will be akin to drafting: Troy Polamalu, Lawrence Taylor, Barry Sanders, Jerry Rice, AND Mike Singletary.

TheVet
04-16-2013, 02:16 PM
Thanks!!!

Great article, great picture!!!

The Legend of Limas Sweed: The NFL Receiver Who Couldn't Catch

Cold, Hard Football Facts for Apr 12, 2013
By Scott Kacsmar

http://a.fn.fncdn.com/images/getty/comp/1hKiqW.png

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