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Hawaii 5-0
04-15-2013, 03:45 PM
Radio host Mark Madden shreds the Steelers

By Neal Coolong on Apr 13 2013

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It isn't exactly breaking news to read of controversial radio host Mark Madden ripping on a local team. The sum of the parts of his argument don't equal the sum of its whole.

Radio host Mark Madden recently aired his grievances in what appeared to be a Festivus for the rest of Steeler Nation.

In his weekly column in the Beaver County Times, Madden, for lack of a better term, torched the Steelers leadership and direction, questioning the ability of head coach Mike Tomlin, calling out the strategies of coordinators Todd Haley and Dick LeBeau and generally referring to the franchise as "outdated."

It's hard to accept the broadly general opinion he's making, even if it is entertaining.

The crux of the piece is centered around the idea that the Steelers were previously a "destination franchise," suggesting the departed players and coaches stand as a testament to that.

It seems hard to fathom the decision to not pay a wide receiver as much as they pay quarterback Ben Roethlisberger can suggest the team is in the wrong. It's also hard, as controversial as this opinion is, to believe the decision to let Keenan Lewis walk had nothing to do with the fact they had a better player at 10 percent of the price waiting behind him and fully capable of starting for two years on the cheap.

Cortez Allen plus William Gay equals far less than Lewis, and creates more turnovers - something Madden didn't mention.

He also points to supposed evidence that the departures of Scottie Montgomery and Sean Kugler are somehow indicative of a sinking ship. No doubt, the coaches of the two most disappointing position units on the team over the last two years waded through dozens - if not hundreds - of other offers before deciding on the long-term stability and legendary track records of Duke and UTEP.

There is plenty about which to criticize the Steelers right now. The defections, as he refers to them, aren't major issues. General manager Kevin Colbert said it this offseason, the players and coaches leaving are part of an 8-8 team. How important were they?

The overwhelming majority of BTSC readers voted in favor of letting Emmanuel Sanders walk in restricted free agency. The Steelers will gain a third-round pick this year, as opposed to the likely sixth round pick they'll get in compensation in the 2015 Draft when he felt he could leave for greener pastures. Mike Wallace's departure will likely gain a third round pick in 2014. So the Steelers traded in a few plays, lots of injuries, multiple fumbles and far more talk than action for the chance to draft two top 120 players and pay them 10 percent to potentially play more vital roles in the team's success.

Why is gaining a pick this year for Sanders, and picks next year for Wallace and Lewis a bad thing?

Antonio Brown's recent comments regarding Sanders' decision to not go about his contract situation "the Steelers way" is indicative of the general direction the team is going. They signed Brown because of his tireless work ethic. He has the chance to step up and be a leader this season. Plenty of groups in any dynamic will get stronger with lesser talented but more determined people in place.

It's addition by subtraction. And while I'm sure the Steelers are happy to apologize to Madden for not crafting the best fantasy football team available, it's silly to suggest it's not a destination team (as if it matters), considering the amount of former players who sign as quickly as they can after leaving for those greener pastures.

As for the shot he's taking at head coach Mike Tomlin, he was voted the coach players most wanted to play for as recently as last year. So now, because two coaches with very minor at best track records for success leave for lesser jobs (forced out, perhaps?) allegedly have a problem with their boss, Haley, the team is falling apart?

At the very least he could have brought up the departure of Al Everest in an odd fashion at the beginning of the year.

Madden may have the shock-inspired bluntness piece of the news down, but the moves the team is making is to correct the poor decision to load up Roethlisberger with weapons back in 2009-10. We have no reason to think Antonio Brown can't put up similar numbers to Santonio Holmes in 2008. And who was Roethlisberger's other "big play" receiver that year? Freakin' Nate Washington. People barely remember his name anymore.

The team needs to rebuild. No one is disputing that. The mysticism of "The Steelers Way" isn't going to win them games. But what games were they winning with the skill position players and the coaches they had?

Please point out to the games won solely by the efforts of Montgomery and Kugler, then we can talk about reasons to be concerned about their departures.

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2013/4/13/4219864/radio-host-mark-madden-shreds-the-steelers

Atlanta Dan
04-15-2013, 03:47 PM
Well if Mark Madden is against it my default position is that I am for it

Fire Arians
04-15-2013, 03:47 PM
mark madden also said the steelers season was over, the year that tommy maddox got injured, leaving 'an unproven rookie, ben reothlisberuiahsfljkhsadewu to start the next few games'.

how'd that turn out? not bad?

TheVet
04-15-2013, 04:08 PM
On the other hand, when the 2005 Steelers were 7-5, coming off 3 straight losses, Madden was a big Steeler supporter, and he spent his days arguing with Steeler fans who thought the team was heading nowhere. I remember Madden offering to take bets that the Steelers would reach the Super Bowl, at better than Vegas odds - with no takers. So you never know!

SteelersCanada
04-15-2013, 04:21 PM
Someone shut this fucking idiot up.

Bane
04-15-2013, 04:22 PM
I don't really know who Mark Madden is, but from skimming over this article, I'm not sure we haven't seen him post here recently.

Hawaii 5-0
04-15-2013, 04:24 PM
I don't really know who Mark Madden is, but from skimming over this article, I'm not sure we haven't seen him post here recently.

he does sound a lot like The Gopher, doesn't he?

OX1947
04-15-2013, 04:29 PM
Anyone who blames an assistant coach for the teams failure is an idiot. Sorry. The head coach is the man in charge, if crap ain't going right, then he needs to address it.

vasteeler
04-15-2013, 04:30 PM
fuck mark madden

Buddha Bus
04-15-2013, 05:19 PM
If I wanted to hear from an asshole I'd fart.... and get more intelligent insight.

"Mark Madden shreds the Steelers"... or as Mark Madden calls it "Monday through Sunday". :moon:

OX1947
04-15-2013, 05:23 PM
If I wanted to hear from an asshole I'd fart.... and get more intelligent insight.

Wow, that's a good one. I am gonna use that one.

Hawaii 5-0
04-15-2013, 07:20 PM
here's the article Madden wrote: :coffee:

Madden: Steelers no longer a destination team

Posted: Thursday, April 11, 2013
By Mark Madden Times Sports Correspondent

http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/timesonline.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/d/f6/df6fcdd1-f9a4-5e6a-811a-eefe1720fe35/5167868b01144.preview-300.jpg

Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger watches the defense shut down the Browns offense as snow swirls around him at Cleveland Stadium on Jan. 1, 2012.

One great thing about being Pittsburgh’s top sports radio guy for 16 glorious years is: You don’t have to call people. People call you.

Here’s what’s wrong with the Steelers as the draft beckons:

• Todd Haley. The journeyman offensive coordinator has become a black-and-gold Antichrist, beloved by few and scorned by many.

Offensive line coach Sean Kugler and receivers coach Scottie Montgomery took marginal college jobs to escape working with Haley. Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger tolerates Haley. Barely. And that tolerance is fading fast.

• Art Rooney II. The Steelers have been in steady decline since Dan Rooney went to Ireland and Art II assumed the reins. Dan is back, but probably won’t often supersede his son.

In Dallas, the Cowboys underachieve because Jerry Jones the owner won’t fire Jerry Jones the GM. The Steelers are headed for a similar situation.

Art II has too much input on football matters and even put parameters on Haley’s offense: Demanding, for instance, a certain percentage of running plays by way of tribute to the days of granddad. Last year’s Steelers offense did not fully utilize the team’s primary weapons, something that has been Haley’s trademark wherever he’s been.

• Mike Tomlin. He’s weak. When veteran leaders like James Farrior and Aaron Smith retired, the team became rudderless. Tomlin is too buddy-buddy. The players feared Bill Cowher. They don’t fear Tomlin. Cowher had discipline problems, sure. It’s the NFL. With Tomlin, things too often boil over.

Haley has autonomy over the offense. Dick LeBeau has control of the defense. What, exactly, does Tomlin do? What’s he add? It sure isn’t discipline.

Roethlisberger has more stroke than Tomlin. Ryan Clark and Antonio Brown (aka Andre 3000) were all over TV talking about the Steelers’ locker-room chaos as if they enjoyed it. Roethlisberger spoke to a local reporter, saying, “This isn’t true, and the talk has to stop.”

It did. Both among the players, and in the media. Tomlin’s denials weren’t taken seriously by anyone.

• The Steelers are no longer a destination franchise. Witness the amount of defections this off-season.

The Steelers have always lost the occasional big-money free agent. Management usually made sure it was the right guy, and the right time. It kept the roster balanced and the salary cap in check.

It’s different now. Emmanuel Sanders is a No. 3 receiver. Let go him and draft his equivalent with the compensatory third-round pick. No big deal. But Sanders’ potential departure to New England has generated buzz because it seems like the Steelers just can’t hold onto anyone.

Cornerback Keenan Lewis was a far bigger loss than Sanders would be. The Steelers could have afforded to pay Lewis what he got from New Orleans. But Lewis didn’t seem to even consider staying.

Pittsburgh just isn’t a special place to play football anymore. It’s just another NFL franchise, beset by the same problems and off-field issues. The Steelers don’t employ a better class of people. An 8-8 season underscored all of the above. They’re Brand X.

• The Steelers damage their chances by sticking to outdated philosophies.

This isn’t exactly breaking news, but the Steelers have a $102 million quarterback, yet they dink and dunk. The name of the game in pro football is scoring lots of points fast, yet they underutilized their legitimate deep threat, then practically ran him out of town. When was the last time the zone blitz worked? Really ran the opposing offense ragged?

The Steelers’ best chance to compensate for their many shortcomings would be to turn Roethlisberger loose. Problem is, he’s got no one to throw to. Bigger problem: The Steelers prefer what worked. Not what works.
The Steelers will still sell every ticket. Big-time nostalgia acts do. But the Rolling Stones aren’t the world’s greatest rock n’ roll band. Not anymore.

http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/sports/mark_madden/madden-steelers-no-longer-a-destination-team/article_1e66c44e-1029-5776-8e70-fb9f7a4b4e58.html

Blacksburg Zach
04-15-2013, 07:40 PM
here's the article Madden wrote: :coffee:

Madden: Steelers no longer a destination team

Posted: Thursday, April 11, 2013
By Mark Madden Times Sports Correspondent

http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/timesonline.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/d/f6/df6fcdd1-f9a4-5e6a-811a-eefe1720fe35/5167868b01144.preview-300.jpg

Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger watches the defense shut down the Browns offense as snow swirls around him at Cleveland Stadium on Jan. 1, 2012.

One great thing about being Pittsburgh’s top sports radio guy for 16 glorious years is: You don’t have to call people. People call you.

Here’s what’s wrong with the Steelers as the draft beckons:

• Todd Haley. The journeyman offensive coordinator has become a black-and-gold Antichrist, beloved by few and scorned by many.

Offensive line coach Sean Kugler and receivers coach Scottie Montgomery took marginal college jobs to escape working with Haley. Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger tolerates Haley. Barely. And that tolerance is fading fast.

• Art Rooney II. The Steelers have been in steady decline since Dan Rooney went to Ireland and Art II assumed the reins. Dan is back, but probably won’t often supersede his son.

In Dallas, the Cowboys underachieve because Jerry Jones the owner won’t fire Jerry Jones the GM. The Steelers are headed for a similar situation.

Art II has too much input on football matters and even put parameters on Haley’s offense: Demanding, for instance, a certain percentage of running plays by way of tribute to the days of granddad. Last year’s Steelers offense did not fully utilize the team’s primary weapons, something that has been Haley’s trademark wherever he’s been.

• Mike Tomlin. He’s weak. When veteran leaders like James Farrior and Aaron Smith retired, the team became rudderless. Tomlin is too buddy-buddy. The players feared Bill Cowher. They don’t fear Tomlin. Cowher had discipline problems, sure. It’s the NFL. With Tomlin, things too often boil over.

Haley has autonomy over the offense. Dick LeBeau has control of the defense. What, exactly, does Tomlin do? What’s he add? It sure isn’t discipline.

Roethlisberger has more stroke than Tomlin. Ryan Clark and Antonio Brown (aka Andre 3000) were all over TV talking about the Steelers’ locker-room chaos as if they enjoyed it. Roethlisberger spoke to a local reporter, saying, “This isn’t true, and the talk has to stop.”

It did. Both among the players, and in the media. Tomlin’s denials weren’t taken seriously by anyone.

• The Steelers are no longer a destination franchise. Witness the amount of defections this off-season.

The Steelers have always lost the occasional big-money free agent. Management usually made sure it was the right guy, and the right time. It kept the roster balanced and the salary cap in check.

It’s different now. Emmanuel Sanders is a No. 3 receiver. Let go him and draft his equivalent with the compensatory third-round pick. No big deal. But Sanders’ potential departure to New England has generated buzz because it seems like the Steelers just can’t hold onto anyone.

Cornerback Keenan Lewis was a far bigger loss than Sanders would be. The Steelers could have afforded to pay Lewis what he got from New Orleans. But Lewis didn’t seem to even consider staying.

Pittsburgh just isn’t a special place to play football anymore. It’s just another NFL franchise, beset by the same problems and off-field issues. The Steelers don’t employ a better class of people. An 8-8 season underscored all of the above. They’re Brand X.

• The Steelers damage their chances by sticking to outdated philosophies.

This isn’t exactly breaking news, but the Steelers have a $102 million quarterback, yet they dink and dunk. The name of the game in pro football is scoring lots of points fast, yet they underutilized their legitimate deep threat, then practically ran him out of town. When was the last time the zone blitz worked? Really ran the opposing offense ragged?

The Steelers’ best chance to compensate for their many shortcomings would be to turn Roethlisberger loose. Problem is, he’s got no one to throw to. Bigger problem: The Steelers prefer what worked. Not what works.
The Steelers will still sell every ticket. Big-time nostalgia acts do. But the Rolling Stones aren’t the world’s greatest rock n’ roll band. Not anymore.

http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/sports/mark_madden/madden-steelers-no-longer-a-destination-team/article_1e66c44e-1029-5776-8e70-fb9f7a4b4e58.html

I should have known it all along! Gopher7 was Mark Madden!

Atlanta Dan
04-15-2013, 07:46 PM
here's the article Madden wrote: :coffee:

One great thing about being Pittsburgh’s top sports radio guy for 16 glorious years is: You don’t have to call people. People call you.

The first line of Madden's article says it all about him - what a self centered jerk:banging:

Reminds me of a line from my minister (who has three daughters) - How does a teenage girl screw in a light bulb? - she stands still and the world revolves around her

Fire Arians
04-15-2013, 07:47 PM
i'd pay money to see kickalicious kick mark madden in the head

Lady Steel
04-15-2013, 08:32 PM
Alright, which one of you guys is Mark Madden?

ETL
04-15-2013, 08:39 PM
Telling me that Madden is criticizing the Steelers is the same as telling me that shit stinks.

Madden is a POS who's #1 priority is to elevate his ego. The Steelers are just one tool for him to do so.

Bane
04-15-2013, 09:05 PM
It is actually making me giggle a little bit seeing that all of the shit this guy spews is the same exact garbage all the trolls here spew.

Bring on the shit-talkers. Sure, I'm butthurt over the Sanders situation, but the front office has yet to let us down in any sort of significant way.

Fuck 'em.

FEGc5EmOXxc

Lokki
04-16-2013, 05:35 AM
Alright, which one of you guys is Mark Madden?

Probably, GoFor7

Steeldude
04-16-2013, 05:54 AM
Haley has autonomy over the offense. Dick LeBeau has control of the defense. What, exactly, does Tomlin do? What’s he add? It sure isn’t discipline

I have to somewhat agree

This isn’t exactly breaking news, but the Steelers have a $102 million quarterback, yet they dink and dunk

When they did dink and dunk they did well. When they got away from it they sputtered.

The Steelers’ best chance to compensate for their many shortcomings would be to turn Roethlisberger loose. Problem is, he’s got no one to throw to

Brown, Sanders, Cotchery, Burress and Miller. What does he mean by turn him loose? When have they shackled him?

fansince'76
04-16-2013, 06:04 AM
• Art Rooney II. The Steelers have been in steady decline since Dan Rooney went to Ireland and Art II assumed the reins. Dan is back, but probably won’t often supersede his son.

Uh, ARII "assumed the reins" all the way back in 2003 (http://old.post-gazette.com/steelers/20030722rooney0722p1.asp). Lardass needs to try and keep up. :coffee:

Mike Tomlin. He’s weak. When veteran leaders like James Farrior and Aaron Smith retired, the team became rudderless.

Uh, yeah. Kinda like back in 2006 after Bettis retired, and Randle El and von Oelhoffen departed, Guess Cowher was "weak" too, huh?

Buddha Bus
04-16-2013, 07:43 AM
Probably, GoFor7

Exactly what I was thinking. He has a lot of free time and is probably madder than an overturned truck full of hornets on crack. THE STEELERS WILL PAY FOR THIS INDIGNITY, DAMMIT!!! :rage: :chuckle:

jacobo
04-16-2013, 07:56 AM
mark is just pissy that he can't shower properly on his own. that's why he gets so angry.

OliverPoop
04-16-2013, 10:21 PM
Hate Madden all you want but I find a lot of his arguments spot on. Especially this illusion that Mike Tomlin is this fantastic coach.

DanRooney
04-16-2013, 10:32 PM
You're only mad because what he's saying is half true. Tomlin stinks. Colbert has lost his touch. LeBeau's still got it though.

DanRooney
04-16-2013, 10:33 PM
William Gay and Cortez Allen means more turnovers. Lol. Shittiest rebuttal I've ever heard.

OliverPoop
04-16-2013, 10:39 PM
And let's not forget that Kevin Colbert formerly worked for the Detroit Lions, I repeat the DETROIT LIONS!!!

At some point it's gonna catch up.

teegre
04-16-2013, 10:54 PM
And let's not forget that Kevin Colbert formerly worked for the Detroit Lions, I repeat the DETROIT LIONS!!!

So did Dick LeBeau... :noidea:

OliverPoop
04-16-2013, 11:03 PM
So did Dick LeBeau... :noidea:

Yes but he's not running the front office now is he?

ETL
04-16-2013, 11:13 PM
You're only mad because what he's saying is half true. Tomlin stinks. Colbert has lost his touch. LeBeau's still got it though.

You're just a downer. Unless the Steelers win each and every SB you will have some quick criticism to chirp about on your soap box.

I get it. It's your schtick. I know many people who keep themselves going by being constantly piss off about something.

But just know that your constant negativity is similar to the boy crying wolf - I really don't value anything you say because I expect you to say it just like the crap coming out of Madden.

Or another way to put it ... You sound very much like a Ravens fan

teegre
04-16-2013, 11:28 PM
Yes but he's not running the front office now is he?

You never qualified that as a requirement in your post.

You stated that Colbert was formerly employed by the Detroit Lions (I repeat: the DETROIT LIONS)... and, I was pointing out that so was Dick LeBeau.

Get it? Probably not.

Oh well, you didn't get the joke... and explaining it just ruins it.

austinfrench76
04-16-2013, 11:39 PM
He's a fat pig. Just sayin...

pczach
04-17-2013, 08:02 PM
http://i950.photobucket.com/albums/ad349/tyra2kool/sense.jpg

DanRooney
04-17-2013, 10:43 PM
You're just a downer. Unless the Steelers win each and every SB you will have some quick criticism to chirp about on your soap box.

I get it. It's your schtick. I know many people who keep themselves going by being constantly piss off about something.

But just know that your constant negativity is similar to the boy crying wolf - I really don't value anything you say because I expect you to say it just like the crap coming out of Madden.

Or another way to put it ... You sound very much like a Ravens fan

And with all of the optimism you're showing after a terrible spree of offseason events, you sound delusional. Kinda like a Browns fan.

Bane
04-17-2013, 10:47 PM
And with all of the optimism you're showing after a terrible spree of offseason events, you sound delusional. Kinda like a Browns fan.

Given the decades of consistency, we have absolutely no reason to not hold on to some optimism. But, you could just take up for all the trolling GoFor7 isn't doing anymore, and act like an asshole to anyone who has a shred of hope in a team that has turned in three Super Bowl appearances in the past decade, including two wins.

wootawnee
04-17-2013, 11:49 PM
Madden is either spot on behind you 100 percent, or against you 100 %.... People like him make me think of why people died in the Salem Witch Trials..... No vision, except ones own.......But, then that eliminates decisiveness......But that is part of living with others......Sharing others Ideas and respecting them.....

I though he made alot of points and I do not consider it a shred, just his point of veiw.....He is so far out though.....Maybe not out, maybe over......

TheVet
04-18-2013, 02:59 AM
Madden is either spot on behind you 100 percent, or against you 100 %.... People like him make me think of why people died in the Salem Witch Trials..... No vision, except ones own.......But, then that eliminates decisiveness......But that is part of living with others......Sharing others Ideas and respecting them.....

I though he made alot of points and I do not consider it a shred, just his point of veiw.....He is so far out though.....Maybe not out, maybe over......

SIR!!! PUT. DOWN. THE. PIPE.

lol :rofl:

Buddha Bus
04-18-2013, 03:58 AM
And with all of the optimism you're showing after a terrible spree of offseason events, you sound delusional. Kinda like a Browns fan.

Yes, because Steelers fans have no reason to be optimistic... just like the Browns fans. :doh:

Burn your Terrible Towels and Polamalu jerseys, kids! This season is just pointless to watch since it is clearly mapped out here a week before the draft as a losing one for Pittsburgh. :rolleyes:

Seriously, what circle of troll Hell have you been sent from to torment us?

Buddha Bus
04-18-2013, 04:28 AM
Wrestling great Bruno Sammartino summed up Mark Madden in a recent interview.


Bruno's response to critics such as Superstar Billy Graham and Mark Madden who say he only accepted the Hall of Fame invitation because of the money: “They’re both a couple of pathetic idiots, especially this guy Madden, who never has anything good to say about anything or anybody."