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MasterOfPuppets
04-30-2013, 07:00 PM
ok we have an estimated 7 million muslims in the US. according to this article 70,000 of these people our government decided to let into this country thinks its ok to blow up innocent people in the name of islam while 490,000 thinks that "SOMETIMES" , ITS OK TO BLOW UP INNOCENT PEOPLE IN THE NAME OF ISLAM.
I FEEL MUCH SAFER NOW....:doh:


America is one of the exceptions to this pattern, although about two-thirds of US Muslims are foreign-born, according to Pew Forum researchers. Some 56 percent of US Muslims agree with the view that many religions can lead to heaven, compared with 18 percent in the median nation in the global survey.
Terrorism. Around the world, most Muslims reject suicide bombing and other attacks against civilians in the name of Islam. Some 81 percent of US Muslims, on one end of the spectrum, say such violence against civilians is never justified, while some say it is either often justified (1 percent) or sometimes justified (7 percent) to defend Islam.

http://news.yahoo.com/poll-shows-us-muslims-protestants-theyre-not-215900145.html

The_Joker
04-30-2013, 07:08 PM
This is why I'm an Atheist...

MasterOfPuppets
04-30-2013, 07:23 PM
This is why I'm an Atheist...
and that makes you safe trom terrorist attacks ?
the point is , there are tens if not hundreds of thousands of "imported lunatics" running around in this country and they are ticking time bombs ready to go off..
i don't know if the author of this article was trying to "calm" the islamophobes or what
but anyone who does the math shouldn't feel comfortable with the results.
yet the government will continue to issue visas to these people because its more important to not look like they're discriminating.

The_Joker
04-30-2013, 07:25 PM
and that makes you safe trom terrorist attacks ?
the point is , there are tens if not hundreds of thousands of "imported lunatics" running around in this country and they are ticking time bombs ready to go off..
i don't know if the author of this article was trying to "calm" the islamophobes or what
but anyone who does the math shouldn't feel comfortable with the results.
yet the government will continue to issue visas to these people because its more important to not look like they're discriminating.

If it was up to me, I'd be stricter on ALL immigration: Muslims, Mexicans, Europeans, Asians, ect.

MACH1
04-30-2013, 07:31 PM
Be alert and vigilant on Thursday. It is the anniversary of bin Laden's death and radical Muslims have a fondness for celebrating such dates with acts of violence.

The_Joker
04-30-2013, 07:36 PM
Be alert and vigilant on Thursday. It is the anniversary of bin Laden's death and radical Muslims have a fondness for celebrating such dates with acts of violence.

That's why this lib wants a gun...

But I gotta poke fun at my (hopefully not terrorist) Muslim friends :grin:

SteelersCanada
04-30-2013, 08:16 PM
Yes, but 81% say it's never justified. It's like the 1% of Catholics and/or Christians that are Westboro Baptist Church transients.

Let's not panic over the minority.

MACH1
04-30-2013, 08:20 PM
Yes, but 81% say it's never justified. It's like the 1% of Catholics and/or Christians that are Westboro Baptist Church transients.

Let's not panic over the minority.

When was the last time the Westboro Baptist Church killed people. :hunch:

Ignoring the minority is whats going to get people killed.

Atlanta Dan
04-30-2013, 08:25 PM
Be alert and vigilant on Thursday. It is the anniversary of bin Laden's death and radical Muslims have a fondness for celebrating such dates with acts of violence.

What was September 11th supposed to commemorate?:noidea:

MACH1
04-30-2013, 08:28 PM
What was September 11th supposed to commemorate?:noidea:

You tell me.

Atlanta Dan
04-30-2013, 08:53 PM
You tell me.

I do not think September 11 was selected to commemorate anything - but since you are the one telling us to be on the lookout for something to happen on the anniversary of Osama's death maybe you can point out there was something to commemorate on September 11 to buttress your argument

Terrorists sometimes will commit murder to commemorate a prior event regardless of religious affiliation (Timothy McVeigh selected April 19 to set off the truck bomb in Oklahoma City on the anniversary of Waco - I do not recall McVeigh being a Muslim) and sometimes will just strike when the moment is right

You can cherry pick facts to fit your notions (some terrorists are Muslims and some acts of terrorism by Muslims were on an anniversary of some prior event so you tell us to beware of Muslims as opposed to other groups committing acts of terror on an upcoming anniversary of some event), but as far as any "rules of terrorism" applying to Muslims rather than any other particular group there are no rules, since IMO one of the goals of terrorism is for it to be random in order to instill maximum fear in the targeted group.

MasterOfPuppets
04-30-2013, 11:55 PM
Yes, but 81% say it's never justified. It's like the 1% of Catholics and/or Christians that are Westboro Baptist Church transients.

Let's not panic over the minority.
so you don't think nearly half a million people that are ok with killing innocent people are nothing to worry about ? were not talking about 50 people here its 500000 !!!

500,000 ungrateful bastards who CHOSE to live amongst us and i'm sure smiles in the faces of americans everyday , but secretly wouldn't care if those same people were murdered by their fellow muslims.

Rabbit
05-01-2013, 01:07 AM
If it was up to me, I'd be stricter on ALL immigration: Muslims, Mexicans, Europeans, Asians, ect.

you listed three nationalities, and a religion.

The_Joker
05-01-2013, 05:29 AM
you listed three nationalities, and a religion.

Be stricter on EVERYONE I said.

Religious Muslims, I distrust them. Speaking honestly I distrust every religious person, but man, a lot of those Muslims seem to be more violent for some reason.

Atlanta Dan
05-01-2013, 10:05 AM
and that makes you safe trom terrorist attacks ?
the point is , there are tens if not hundreds of thousands of "imported lunatics" running around in this country and they are ticking time bombs ready to go off..
i don't know if the author of this article was trying to "calm" the islamophobes or what
but anyone who does the math shouldn't feel comfortable with the results.
yet the government will continue to issue visas to these people because its more important to not look like they're discriminating.

With regard to screening what do you do if the tyro terrorist checks the box for Christian on his immigration application?:noidea:

The Boston bombers were children when they arrived and the 26 year old brother picked up a flavor from jihad off the internet - the available information indicates the bombers were radicalized after they arrived here

JonM229
05-01-2013, 10:22 AM
Religious Muslims, I distrust them. Speaking honestly I distrust every religious person, but man, a lot of those Muslims seem to be more violent for some reason.

I'll start off by saying that being raised Jewish (though I now consider myself an atheist) has made me very wary of any type of religious fervor.

The violence in the Middle East has very little to do with religion and everything to do with the environment that the people are raised in. You have oppressive governments arresting, torturing, and killing anyone who dissents (pretty much starting with the US-backed Shah in Iran.) The people finally have enough and there are those who use religion as a tool to recruit scared, vulnerable people. It's really not very different in how the US uses patriotism to recruit people to serve in the Armed Forces.

The increase in bloodshed in the name of Islam is a much more recent occurrence. Historically, it's been Christians that have been guilty of such atrocities. During the Crusades, the Bible was used to recruit people to go to war with the Muslims who controlled Israel. One lesser known fact about the Crusades was the persecution of Jews in both Europe and the Middle East, causing many Jews and Muslims to fight side by side against the Crusaders.

What I'm trying to say is that the Islamic Jihad has about as much to do with Islam as the Crusades or the Inquisition had to do with Christianity. All instances were implemented by a few people of influence using religion to lure those less fortunate into carrying out their own personal agenda.


On another note, I would be interested in comparing the Quran and the Bible to see how many crimes in each are punishable by death (I know from experience that the Old Testament has quite a bit.)

Vis
05-01-2013, 11:00 AM
Back to the great quote:

"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

Wiping out every man woman and child in a city is evil yet it's perfectly acceptable in the OT. Why? Because God is good so whatever God says to do must be good. God says kill, you kill. To not kill would be disobedience to the Word of God. To not kill would then be evil. So if you believe that the celestial dictator must be obeyed because of your faith, you are a danger regardless of what the faith's label is.

SteelCityMom
05-01-2013, 11:08 AM
You know, there is one GREAT thing the Bible does say.

Leviticus 11:13-19

13 ‘And these you shall regard as an abomination among the birds; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: ..... 15 every raven after its kind


Sorry...back to your regularly scheduled Muslim talk.

SteelerEmpire
05-01-2013, 11:38 AM
Be alert and vigilant on Thursday. It is the anniversary of bin Laden's death and radical Muslims have a fondness for celebrating such dates with acts of violence.

So I have to do everything in my old bomb suit yet again ?

http://www.fototime.com/EBB974CE873A904/orig.jpg

MasterOfPuppets
05-02-2013, 01:44 AM
though i can't stand ann coulter, i have to agree with much of this article. we have plenty of unskilled laborers unemployed , so why keep importing them ? to become a citizen in mexico , you have to prove your financial independence. . in other words , they wanna see your bank account.

THE PROBLEM ISN'T JUST ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, IT'S LEGAL IMMIGRATION, TOO

The people of Boston are no longer being terrorized by the Marathon bombers, but amnesty supporters sure are.
On CNN's "State of the Union" last weekend, Sen. Lindsey Graham's response to the Boston Marathon bombers being worthless immigrants who hate America -- one of whom the FBI cleared even after being tipped off by Russia -- was to announce: "The fact that we could not track him has to be fixed."
Track him? How about not admitting him as an immigrant?
As if it's a defense, we're told Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (of the Back Bay Tsarnaevs) were disaffected "losers" -- the word used by their own uncle -- who couldn't make it in America. Their father had already returned to Russia. Tamerlan had dropped out of college, been arrested for domestic violence and said he had no American friends. Dzhokhar was failing most of his college courses. All of them were on welfare.
(Dzhokhar was given everything America had to offer, and now he only has one thing in his future to look forward to ... a tenured professorship.)
My thought is, maybe we should consider admitting immigrants who can succeed in America, rather than deadbeats.
But we're not allowed to "discriminate" in favor of immigrants who would be good for America. Instead of helping America, our immigration policies are designed to help other countries solve their internal problems by shipping their losers to us.
The problem isn't just illegal immigration. I would rather have doctors and engineers sneaking into the country than legally arriving ditch-diggers.
Teddy Kennedy's 1965 immigration act so dramatically altered the kinds of immigrants America admits that, since 1969, about 85 percent of legal immigrants have come from the Third World. They bring Third World levels of poverty, fertility, illegitimacy and domestic violence with them. When they can't make it in America, they simply go on welfare and sometimes strike out at Americans.
In addition to the four dead and more than 100 badly wounded victims of the Boston Marathon bombing, let's consider a few of the many other people who would be alive, but for Kennedy's immigration law:
-- The six Long Island railroad passengers murdered in 1993 by Jamaican immigrant Colin Ferguson. Before the shooting, Ferguson was unemployed, harassing women on subways, repeatedly bringing lawsuits against police and former employers, applying for workman's compensation for fake injuries and blaming all his problems on white people. Whom he then decided to murder.
-- The two people killed outside CIA headquarters in 1993 by Pakistani illegal immigrant Mir Qazi. He had been working as a driver for a courier company. (It's nearly impossible to find an American who can drive.)
-- Christoffer Burmeister, a 27 year-old musician killed in a mass shooting by Palestinian immigrant Ali Hassan Abu Kamal in 1997 at the Empire State Building. Hassan had immigrated to America with his family two months earlier at age 68. (It's a smart move to bring in immigrants just in time to pay them Social Security benefits!)
-- Bill Cosby's son, Ennis, killed in 1997 by 18-year-old Ukrainian immigrant Mikhail Markhasev, who had come to this country with his single mother eight years earlier -- because we were running short on single mothers.
Markhasev, who had a juvenile record, shot Cosby point-blank for taking too long to produce his wallet. He later bragged about killing a "n*gger."
-- The three people murdered at the Appalachian School of Law in 2002 by Nigerian immigrant Peter Odighizuwa, angry at America because he had failed out of law school. At least it's understandable why our immigration policies would favor a 43-year-old law student. It's so hard to get Americans to go to law school these days!
-- The stewardess and passenger murdered by Egyptian immigrant Hesham Mohamed Hadayet when he shot up the El Al ticket counter at the Los Angeles airport in 2002. Hesham, a desperately needed limousine driver, received refugee status in the U.S. because he was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. Apparently, that's a selling point if you want to immigrate to America.
-- The six men murdered by Mexican immigrant Salvador Tapia at the Windy City Core Supply warehouse in Chicago in 2003, from which he had been fired six months earlier. Tapia was still in this country despite having been arrested at least a dozen times on weapons and assault charges. Only foreign newspapers mentioned that Tapia was an immigrant. American newspapers blamed the gun.
-- The six people killed in northern Wisconsin in 2004 by Hmong immigrant Chai Soua Vang, who shot his victims in the back after being caught trespassing on their property. Minnesota Public Radio later explained that Hmong hunters don't understand American laws about private property, endangered species, or really any laws written in English. It was an unusual offense for a Hmong, whose preferred crime is raping 12- to 14-year-old girls -- as extensively covered in the Fresno Bee and Minneapolis Star Tribune.
-- The five people murdered at the Trolley Square Shopping Mall in Salt Lake City by Bosnian immigrant Sulejman Talovic in 2007. Talovic was a Muslim high school dropout with a juvenile record. No room for you, Swedish doctor. We need resentful Muslims!
-- The 32 people murdered at Virginia Tech in 2007 by Seung-Hui Cho, a South Korean immigrant.
-- The 13 soldiers murdered at Fort Hood in 2009 by "accused" shooter Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, son of Palestinian immigrants. Hasan's parents had operated a restaurant in Roanoke, Va., because where are we going to find Americans to do that?
-- The 13 people killed at the American Civic Association in Binghamton, N.Y., by Vietnamese immigrant Jiverly Wong, who became a naturalized citizen two years after being convicted of fraud and forgery in California. Wong was angry that people disrespected him for his poor English skills.
-- Florence Donovan-Gunderson, who was shot along with her husband, and three National Guardsmen in a Carson City IHOP gunned down by Mexican immigrant Eduardo Sencion in 2011.
-- The three people, including a 15-year-old girl, murdered in their home in North Miami by Kesler Dufrene, a Haitian immigrant and convicted felon who had been arrested nine times, but was released when Obama halted deportations to Haiti after the earthquake. Dufrene chose the house at random.
-- The many African-Americans murdered by Hispanic gangs in Los Angeles in the last few years, including Jamiel Shaw Jr., a star football player being recruited by Stanford; Cheryl Green, a 14-year-old eighth-grade student chosen for murder solely because she was black; and Christopher Ash, who witnessed Green's murder.
During the three years from 2010 through 2012, immigrants have committed about a dozen mass murders in this country, not including the 9/11 attack.
The mass murderers were from Afghanistan, South Korea, Vietnam, Haiti, South Africa, Ethiopia and Mexico. None were from Canada or Western Europe.
I don't want to hear about the black crime rate or the Columbine killers. We're talking about immigrants here! There should be ZERO immigrants committing crimes. There should be ZERO immigrants accepting government assistance. There should be ZERO immigrants demanding that we speak their language.
We have no choice about native-born losers. We ought to be able to do something about the people we chose to bring here.
Meanwhile, our government officials just keep singing the praises of "diversity," while expressly excluding skilled immigrants who might be less inclined to become "disaffected" and lash out by killing Americans.
In response to the shooting at Fort Hood, Army Chief of Staff Gen. George W. Casey Jr. said: "As horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that's worse."
On "Fox News Sunday" this week, former CIA director Gen. Michael Hayden said of the Boston bombing suspects, "We welcome these kinds of folks coming to the United States who want to be contributing American citizens."
Unless, that is, they have a college degree and bright prospects. Those immigrants are prohibited.
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