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Atlanta Dan
06-06-2013, 08:02 AM
This is nice

The National Security Agency appears to be collecting the telephone records of tens of millions of American customers of Verizon, one of the nation’s largest phone companies, under a top-secret court order issued in April.

The order appears to require a Verizon subsidiary to provide the NSA with daily information on all telephone calls by its customers within the United States and from foreign locations into the United States....

An expert in this aspect of the law said Wednesday night that the order appears to be a routine renewal of a similar order first issued by the same court in 2006. The expert, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive issues, said that the order is reissued routinely every 90 days and that it is not related to any particular investigation by the FBI or any other agency.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/verizon-providing-all-call-records-to-us-under-court-order/2013/06/05/98656606-ce47-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2013/jun/06/verizon-telephone-data-court-order

Hopefully I will be able to convince the NSA that those calls to 1-888 numbers were dialed by mistake

JonM229
06-06-2013, 08:08 AM
I was at an IT Security conference a month ago. There was a Cook County Public Defender who was discussing privacy concerns and technology. All major carriers have a special division for providing records to law enforcement agencies, and they charge the government a lot of money doing so.

Atlanta Dan
06-06-2013, 08:18 AM
I was at an IT Security conference a month ago. There was a Cook County Public Defender who was discussing privacy concerns and technology. All major carriers have a special division for providing records to law enforcement agencies, and they charge the government a lot of money doing so.

Yep - subpoenas for phone records are part of the prosecutors tool kit that are utilized all the time.

But the standard situation involves seeking phone records for specific individuals or businesses that are to be produced in response to a subpoena.

The FISA order served on Verizon requires Verizon to Hoover up records for all customers' numbers and provide those records to the NSA to go data mining regardless of whether the records fora specific customer have a damn thing to do with any investigation

MACH1
06-06-2013, 12:06 PM
They need to have something to fill up that big new data mining building in Utah.

In the heart of Utah’s desert, the National Security Agency is well underway on a project that has been called the nation’s largest, most expensive cyber-security project. Naturally, almost all details about the building’s soon-to-be inner activities are highly classified and no one is talking — officials in Bluffdale where it is being built and the nearby Salt Lake City are kept in the dark. Still, Wired’s Threat Level has gotten some details on the building and provides analysis on some of its expected activity.

Wired describes that the building is ironically and “blandly” named the Utah Data Center. When completed in Sept. 2013 it will house four 25,000 square foot halls of servers, among other things. Wired states that the cost for the project is estimated at $2 billion.

Here’s some of the data center’s purpose:

Flowing through its servers and routers and stored in near-bottomless databases will be all forms of communication, including the complete contents of private emails, cell phone calls, and Google searches, as well as all sorts of personal data trails—parking receipts, travel itineraries, bookstore purchases, and other digital “pocket litter.”

Wired reports that the data center will store trillions of “words and thoughts and whispers” swirling on the Web. It states that “[to] those on the inside, the old adage that NSA stands for Never Say Anything applies more than ever.” In addition to public website data storage, Wired reports that it will seek out and house information on the “deep web
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/03/16/new-details-on-nsas-new-spy-center-and-secrets-from-domestic-eavesdropping-operation-stellar-wind/

pczach
06-06-2013, 05:00 PM
Big Brother is overreaching again. The same people that claim to fight for the "little people". The same ones that fought everything the former President tried to do, saying he went way too far, now want to take things to a different stratosphere. America will never be the same. So many people think things like this will be a good thing, and they have the best of intentions. The problem is that the people that have this power will always want more power and use it against whomever they see fit, until they are not just using it to find bad guys. They use it against the very people they swore to protect in the first place.

Atlanta Dan
06-06-2013, 08:53 PM
Big Brother is overreaching again. The same people that claim to fight for the "little people". The same ones that fought everything the former President tried to do, saying he went way too far, now want to take things to a different stratosphere. America will never be the same. So many people think things like this will be a good thing, and they have the best of intentions. The problem is that the people that have this power will always want more power and use it against whomever they see fit, until they are not just using it to find bad guys. They use it against the very people they swore to protect in the first place.

IMO the current Administration is egregiously wrong for what it is doing, but this is just a continuation of what the prior Administration was doing

Washington Post reports lots of Internet sites are being monitored as well (hope there are some Steelers fans at NSA)

The National Security Agency and the FBI are tapping directly into the central servers of nine leading U.S. Internet companies, extracting audio and video chats, photographs, e-mails, documents, and connection logs that enable analysts to track one target or trace a whole network of associates, according to a top-secret document obtained by The Washington Post.

The program, code-named PRISM, has not been made public until now. It may be the first of its kind. The NSA prides itself on stealing secrets and breaking codes, and it is accustomed to corporate partnerships that help it divert data traffic or sidestep barriers. But there has never been a Google or Facebook before, and it is unlikely that there are richer troves of valuable intelligence than the ones in Silicon Valley.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story.html

Both W and Obama have been enabled by a Congress that is willing to sign a blank check to fight the so called "war on terror" - and unfortunately that is something most people are willing to tolerate - good summary in italics below

1. Congress voted to legalize expansive surveillance powers in 2001 (The USA PATRIOT ACT), 2008 (retroactive immunity for warantless NSA wiretaps in the FISA Amendments Act), and in 2012 (renewing the FISA Amendments Act).

2. Congress declined to force administration transparency/honesty on secret interpretations of the law in 2001 (USA PATRIOT ACT), 2008 (NSA immunity), 2011 (the Wyden amendment to the NDAA, which would have required interpretations not be secret) & 2012 (the similar Markley amendment to the NDAA). Those last two actually got voted down, which means Congress voted to enable secret government legal interpretation.

3. All of the opprobrium you should feel at the government’s ridiculously broad surveillance powers needs to be directed at CONGRESS, which keeps approving them while voting they stay secret.

4. The NSA, despite the broad nature of its warrant request, did nothing illegal, and the supposed illegality of the FISC procedure has not been demonstrated.

5. The information the NSA is collecting is metadata, not content (like a wiretap), and not account names. Uncovering personally identifiable information would require separate warrants to do so. This was a pattern analysis, not really mass surveillance as we traditionally understand it. Anyone who calls this a “wiretap” is probably stupid or didn’t read the order.

6. Judging by the order (and not the media coverage about the order), it seems to have an end date of July 19, sucking up data for the three months before. That would make its effective start date April 19, which is the day Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was arrested in Boston. Not saying there’s a link, but the timing might turn out not to be coincidental.

7. No one will respond to this by voting out their representatives or Senators during the next election because, despite the temporary outcry, Americans (including the Congressmen and Senators who tried to add amendments) don’t care about this very much.

8. None of you will stop voluntarily giving Verizon (or AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile, etc.) your personal information out of the fear that they might be legally compelled to hand it over to an intelligence agency through a legal process. Because, at the end of the day, you really don’t care about this very much either. At least, you don’t care enough to go out of your way to change it.

http://joshuafoust.com/nine-dashed-off-points-on-the-nsa-scandal/

MACH1
06-06-2013, 10:17 PM
IMO the current Administration is egregiously wrong for what it is doing, but this is just a continuation of what the prior Administration was doing

This administration has had plenty of opportunity to shut it down but instead decided to adopt and expand on it. I don't think we can honestly sit here and point fingers at this point, sure you can blame it on bush for starting it but obama could have ended it if he wanted to, it's the government as a whole that's spying on it's citizens now.

Atlanta Dan
06-06-2013, 11:38 PM
This administration has had plenty of opportunity to shut it down but instead decided to adopt and expand on it. I don't think we can honestly sit here and point fingers at this point, sure you can blame it on bush for starting it but obama could have ended it if he wanted to, it's the government as a whole that's spying on it's citizens now.

Agreed

I blame Bush the Second for starting it and Obama for continuing it - screw both of them and the folks in Congress who will sign off on any encroachment on civil liberties if it involves the "war on terror."

Vis
06-07-2013, 07:18 AM
The Executive branch has to be the cops. They get the blame for any attack so they want every tool. There should be checks and balances. Oh wait, there's supposed to be. It's the judiciary which needs to pull back on the reigns of the executive in their policing role, among others. This is why I think a back and forth between parties in congress and the Presidency can have value but the country always needs a liberal Supreme Court.

Atlanta Dan
06-07-2013, 09:07 AM
The Executive branch has to be the cops. They get the blame for any attack so they want every tool. There should be checks and balances. Oh wait, there's supposed to be. It's the judiciary which needs to pull back on the reigns of the executive in their policing role, among others. This is why I think a back and forth between parties in congress and the Presidency can have value but the country always needs a liberal Supreme Court.

I do not know if liberal/conservative really is the standard of what sort of Supreme Court would reign this in.

Justice Scalia is about as conservative as they come but he wrote the vociferous dissent in the DNA case while Justice Breyer voted with the majority to uphold taking a DNA sample at the time of arrest

MACH1
06-07-2013, 10:02 AM
I would rather have a supreme court that upholds the constitution. Not twist it to fit their personal beliefs.

Vis
06-07-2013, 01:25 PM
I do not know if liberal/conservative really is the standard of what sort of Supreme Court would reign this in.

Justice Scalia is about as conservative as they come but he wrote the vociferous dissent in the DNA case while Justice Breyer voted with the majority to uphold taking a DNA sample at the time of arrest

True about Breyer but look at historical 4th Amendment cases.

Vis
06-07-2013, 01:52 PM
I would rather have a supreme court that upholds the constitution. Not twist it to fit their personal beliefs.

Whose interpretation?

JonM229
06-07-2013, 02:07 PM
If the Constitution were perfect, they wouldn't be called Amendments

teegre
06-07-2013, 03:35 PM
If the Constitution were perfect, they wouldn't be called Amendments

So... are you saying that you actually agree with the thirteenth amendment!?!

How dare you question the Founding Fathers!!!

Atlanta Dan
06-07-2013, 03:57 PM
I would rather have a supreme court that upholds the constitution. Not twist it to fit their personal beliefs.

Every Justice who has ever sat on the Supreme Court would say their decisions have upheld the Constitution. That goes for both the Justices who held by a 7-1 vote that racial segregation of public facilities was not unconstitutional in Plessy v. Ferguson in 1896 and the nine Justices who unanimously held such segregation was unconstitutional in Brown v. Board of Education in 1954.

But deciding issues of Constitutional interpretation such as what constitutes the "right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures" leaves a lot of room for discretion in the application of such general terms to a specific case. Any contention that there is only one possible interpretation as to how issues arising in the 21st century can be resolved by divining the clear intent of how Madison, Franklin, and Washington would have decided the issue if it had been brought before them is specious.

It's a constitution, not holy writ.

Atlanta Dan
06-07-2013, 04:27 PM
True about Breyer but look at historical 4th Amendment cases.

I think your "liberal/conservative" dichotomy with regard to who is more likely to apply the protections of the 4th Amendment expansively actually breaks down more along the lines of more skeptical/less skeptical of assertions of law enforcement authority. The liberal/conservative breakdown (or more accurately Democrat appointee/GOP appointee) more often applies in cases involving regulatory issues and standing/class action issues that impact access to the legal system to redress grievances.

For example, Scalia and Thomas were with the majority this term that held using a drug dog to sniff around the front porch constituted a search, while Breyer joined the dissent. http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/12pdf/11-564_5426.pdf

In earlier terms, the majority that held in Kyllo v. U.S., 533 U.S. 27 (2001) that thermal imaging of a house, to determine if heat thrown off by marijuana grow lamps was a search, consisted of Scalia, Souter, Thomas, Ginsburg, and Breyer, with Stevens writing a dissent in which Rehnquist, O'Connor, and Kennedy joined. http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=15840045591115721227&hl=en&as_sdt=2&as_vis=1&oi=scholarr

Vis
06-07-2013, 05:30 PM
I think your "liberal/conservative" dichotomy with regard to who is more likely to apply the protections of the 4th Amendment expansively actually breaks down more along the lines of more skeptical/less skeptical of assertions of law enforcement authority. The liberal/conservative breakdown (or more accurately Democrat appointee/GOP appointee) more often applies in cases involving regulatory issues and standing/class action issues that impact access to the legal system to redress grievances.

For example, Scalia and Thomas were with the majority this term that held using a drug dog to sniff around the front porch constituted a search, while Breyer joined the dissent. http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/12pdf/11-564_5426.pdf

In earlier terms, the majority that held in Kyllo v. U.S., 533 U.S. 27 (2001) that thermal imaging of a house, to determine if heat thrown off by marijuana grow lamps was a search, consisted of Scalia, Souter, Thomas, Ginsburg, and Breyer, with Stevens writing a dissent in which Rehnquist, O'Connor, and Kennedy joined. http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=15840045591115721227&hl=en&as_sdt=2&as_vis=1&oi=scholarr

Look back at Plessy and Brown

Atlanta Dan
06-07-2013, 05:35 PM
Turns out NSA has a web page, including a section for kids!

“We’re the CryptoKids® and we love cryptology,” the site reads. “What’s cryptology? Cryptology is making and breaking codes. It’s so cool.” You know what else is cool, according to the CryptoKids website? The work being done by the heroes at the National Security Agency/Central Security Service: “Our Nation’s leaders and warfighters count on the technology and information they get from NSA/CSS to get their jobs done. Without NSA/CSS, they wouldn’t be able to talk to one another without the bad guys listening and they wouldn’t be able to figure out what the bad guys were planning."

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/crime/2013/06/07/Screen%20Shot%202013-06-07%20at%204.08.19%20PM.png.CROP.rectangle3-large.08.19%20PM.png

The CryptoKids website is designed to teach children that codebreaking and surveillance work is fun, and patriotic, and performed by an awesomely outrageous cast of cartoon animals. The name “CryptoKids” actually refers to a fictional group of anthropomorphic code-crackers, whose skills and hobbies are lovingly detailed on the NSA’s website. There’s CryptoCat, the leader, who grew up on a Navajo reservation; DecipherDog (“or D-Dog for short”), a cryptanalyst who plays junior varsity football; RosettaStone, a language analyst who appears to be some sort of fox; [and] Slate .... a mathematically gifted rabbit who can juggle balls with his long, droopy ears....

What’s the point of all this? Recruitment, obviously. The CryptoKids website also features an extensive section titled “How Can I Work For NSA?” “It’s never too early to start thinking about what you want to be when you grow up!”

http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/06/07/cryptokids_nsa_teach_your_kids_about_the_nsa_with_ the_help_of_cryptocat.html

Reading about this makes me feel much better - if only I had known NSA is only interested in hoovering up information about my phone calls and web site visits to figure out what the bad guys are thinking.:thumbsup:

Atlanta Dan
06-07-2013, 05:46 PM
Look back at Plessy and Brown

???

Plessy and Brown were not 4th Amendment cases and Plessy was more of a14th Amendment case than it was a criminal case even though it involved prosecution for not vacating the whites only rail car. I have no clue who was regarded as a liberal and who was a conservative in 1896. To the extent you regard Justice Harlan, the lone dissenter in Plessy, to be a "liberal" in the modern sense of that term, here is a nugget from his dissent

[T]he white race deems itself to be the dominant race in this country. And so it is, in prestige, in achievements, in education, in wealth and in power. So, I doubt not, it will continue to be for all time, if it remains true to its great heritage and holds fast to the principles of constitutional liberty.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=163&invol=537

I do know FDR appointee Felix Frankfurter was regarded as a judicial conservative by 1954 and he was part of the 9-0 Brown opinion

SteelerEmpire
06-08-2013, 01:44 AM
The title of this thread is, "If You Have Verizon, The NSA Has Been Secretly Collecting Your Phone Records". When in actuality it is, "If You Use ANY Electronic Communication Devices More Likely Than Not You Probably Are Being Watched, Listened To, Or Tracked".

Atlanta Dan
06-08-2013, 08:19 AM
The title of this thread is, "If You Have Verizon, The NSA Has Been Secretly Collecting Your Phone Records". When in actuality it is, "If You Use ANY Electronic Communication Devices More Likely Than Not You Probably Are Being Watched, Listened To, Or Tracked".

The Verizon story came out first when I started the thread - since then there have been further revelations regarding PRISM, which has been “tapping directly into the central servers of nine leading U.S. Internet companies, extracting audio, video, photographs, e-mails, documents and connection logs that enable analysts to track a person’s movements and contacts over time.”

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/closeread/2013/06/america-through-the-nsas-prism.html

Like any good enterprise should, PRISM has a logo

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/johncassidy/prism-290.jpeg

No word yet whether Pink Floyd plans to sue the government for infringing up the logo used for The Dark Side Of The Moon album cover

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/dark-side-of-the-moon-290.jpg

Bottom line is when it comes to domestic surveillance and the "war on terror" not a damn thing changed after Obama replaced W

Far from dismantling the surveillance state that George W. Bush built up, Obama has legitimized it and strengthened its defenses against outside criticisms. Another way to put it is that America has gone dotty, and it’s all part of the post-9/11 syndrome. As Ron Fournier, the editorial director of National Journal, pointed out on Thursday, we don’t live in the age of Obama. Rather, we are stuck in the “the era of Bush-Obama“—a period that “will be remembered for an unprecedented erosion of civil liberties and a disregard for transparency. On the war against a tactic—terrorism—and its insidious fallout, the United States could have skipped the 2008 election. It made little difference.”

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/johncassidy/2013/06/911-to-prism-surveillance-a-nation-gone-dotty.html

Atlanta Dan
06-08-2013, 12:39 PM
Bush & Obama on domestic surveillance - meet the new boss, same as the old boss

Bush: "After September the 11th, I vowed to the American people that our government would do everything within the law to protect them against another terrorist attack."

Obama: "When I came into this office, I made two commitments that are more important than any that I make: number one, to keep the American people safe and, number two, to uphold the Constitution."

Bush: "The privacy of ordinary Americans is fiercely protected in all our activities."

Obama: "That includes what I consider to be a constitutional right to privacy."

Bush: "The intelligence activities I authorized are lawful and have been briefed to appropriate members of Congress, both Republican and Democrat."

Obama: "When it comes to telephone calls, every member of Congress has been briefed on this program. With respect to all these programs the relevant intelligence committees are fully briefed."

Bush: "The government does not listen to domestic phone calls without court approval."

Obama: "Nobody is listening to your telephone calls ... If the intelligence community actually wants to listen to a phone call, they've got to go back to a federal judge."

Bush: "So far we've been very successful in preventing another attack on our soil."

Obama: "They make a difference in our capacity to anticipate and prevent possible terrorist activity."

Bush: "As a general matter, every time sensitive intelligence is leaked, it hurts our ability to defeat this enemy."

Obama: "I don't welcome leaks, because there's a reason why these programs are classified."

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/06/obama-bush-nsa-phone-comapred.html

Atlanta Dan
06-09-2013, 06:48 PM
The leaker of the surveillance information has outed himself

The individual responsible for one of the most significant leaks in US political history is Edward Snowden, a 29-year-old former technical assistant for the CIA and current employee of the defence contractor Booz Allen Hamilton. Snowden has been working at the National Security Agency for the last four years as an employee of various outside contractors, including Booz Allen and Dell.

Not a good moment for future dealings between Booz Allen and the NSA:wink02:

By his own admission, he was not a stellar student. In order to get the credits necessary to obtain a high school diploma, he attended a community college in Maryland, studying computing, but never completed the coursework. (He later obtained his GED.)

In 2003, he enlisted in the US army and began a training program to join the Special Forces. Invoking the same principles that he now cites to justify his leaks, he said: "I wanted to fight in the Iraq war because I felt like I had an obligation as a human being to help free people from oppression".

He recounted how his beliefs about the war's purpose were quickly dispelled. "Most of the people training us seemed pumped up about killing Arabs, not helping anyone," he said....

Because in the Special Forces you sort of need to learn how to kill people if you are going into combat:noidea:

After that, he got his first job in an NSA facility, working as a security guard for one of the agency's covert facilities at the University of Maryland. From there, he went to the CIA, where he worked on IT security. His understanding of the internet and his talent for computer programming enabled him to rise fairly quickly for someone who lacked even a high school diploma.

By 2007, the CIA stationed him with diplomatic cover in Geneva, Switzerland. His responsibility for maintaining computer network security meant he had clearance to access a wide array of classified documents....

He views his best hope as the possibility of asylum, with Iceland – with its reputation of a champion of internet freedom – at the top of his list. He knows that may prove a wish unfulfilled.

He has had "a very comfortable life" that included a salary of roughly $200,000, a girlfriend with whom he shared a home in Hawaii, a stable career, and a family he loves.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance?guni=Network front:network-front full-width-1 bento-box:Bento box:Position1

Guy with a GED gets hired by the CIA and is granted a high enough security clearance to earn $200K while getting access to high value documents - heckuva job CIA and NSA.

Booz Allen, in a statement, said Mr. Snowden had been an employee for less than three months and was assigned to a team in Hawaii.

“News reports that this individual has claimed to have leaked classified information are shocking, and if accurate, this action represents a grave violation of the code of conduct and core values of our firm,” the company statement said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/10/us/former-cia-worker-says-he-leaked-surveillance-data.html?hp&_r=0

Good to hear the Booz Allen code of conduct does not authorize leaking classified information - you can bet some supervisors are not looking forward to going into work tomorrow

SteelCityMom
06-10-2013, 09:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BmdovYztH8

43Hitman
06-11-2013, 12:15 AM
I wonder if there is a class action lawsuit here. I certainly don't remember reading in my contract that all of my info was subject to search and seizure at the governments leisure without probable cause.

MACH1
06-11-2013, 11:23 AM
This is kind of long so I just posted the first part.

What do They know about you? An interview with NSA analyst William Binney

William Binney worked as a National Security Agency analyst for nearly 30 years, eventually becoming the technical director of the of the world geopolitical and military analysis and reporting group. After retiring from the NSA in 2001, Binney became an increasingly vocal critic of the intelligence community, raising alarms about mission creep, wasteful projects and surveillance of law-abiding Americans. Although he still collects a pension from his old employer, the NSA has yanked his security clearance and his home was raided in 2007 as part of a leak investigation in which he was eventually cleared. Binney spoke with The Daily Caller about the latest NSA revelations from his home in Maryland.

Daily Caller: The first of the recent NSA scandals we’ve heard about was the seizure of Verizon’s phone records. How seriously should we take that?

William Binney: Look at the court order that went to Verizon [pdf]. In the upper right portion of page 1 there’s a number, 13-80. That means that’s the eightieth order from that court in 2013. Now if you assume all of the other 79 orders are going to other telecoms and providers, to do the same thing — and these things are issued every quarter — that’s the second issue to Verizon this year. So if you took that and said, OK, 80 orders and each of the companies got two, that means a minimum of at least 40 companies’ data assembled.There’s an article floating around the web now saying about 50 companies are cooperating with these orders. So that number is not unreasonable for orders for commercially held data.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/10/what-do-they-know-about-you-an-interview-with-nsa-analyst-william-binney/#ixzz2VvCNhJRI

Atlanta Dan
06-11-2013, 12:09 PM
I wonder if there is a class action lawsuit here. I certainly don't remember reading in my contract that all of my info was subject to search and seizure at the governments leisure without probable cause.

If you actually read your entire contract with your cell phone provider or the terms of service for when you signed up for Facebook you are more conscientious than virtually all of us.

As discussed in the linked article below, the problem Google, Verizon and any other company faced in response to requests for data by the Government is that the requests were not clearly illegal and that companies cannot just tell the Government to screw itself.

When the government makes a legitimate request — and through Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which was highlighted by the leak, the government can seek vast troves of information — Google and others comply....

Senior executives I spoke with at many of the technology companies cited in the Prism documents said they routinely provided the government with requested data, in some cases months’ worth of e-mail traffic for a certain address. They have teams of people whose entire job is to work with the government to comply with such requests, which come in daily if not more frequently. Once that information is transferred to the government, an agency can store that data and sort it, integrate it with other data to their heart’s content....

Most technology companies have a “terms of service” agreement that requires users to accept such a provision before signing up. Buried in the fine print of Facebook’s is this: “We may access, preserve and share your information in response to a legal request (like a search warrant, court order or subpoena) if we have a good faith belief that the law requires us to do so.”

Theoretically, a clever lawyer could make the case that the companies’ public denials have now become part of the terms of service and that customers are relying on them to be true. If those denials turn out to conflict with actions in the future, the companies — again theoretically — could face trouble with their customers and even possibly another arm of the government, like the F.T.C., setting up a true conundrum.

So while the nation’s biggest technology companies may not be a part of systematic large-scale spying program, it is clear that they are legally required to play a significant role in funneling data to the government. That leaves them on a tightrope balancing what they can say to their customers and investors while complying with their obligations to keep the government’s secrets.

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/06/10/tech-companies-tread-lightly-in-statements-on-u-s-spying/?ref=business

But despite these legal hurdles the first lawsuit following the leaks has been filed

The first of what likely will be many lawsuits challenging the constitutionality of the NSA’s dragnet phone surveillance program was lodged Sunday, declaring the newly disclosed spy operation an “outrageous breach of privacy.”...

The suit names Verizon, NSA, Justice Department, President Barack Obama, Attorney General Eric Holder and others. The case comes as the American Civil Liberties Union and others are petitioning the FISA court to explain the legal rationale behind authorizing surveillance of this magnitude.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/06/nsa-phone-lawsuit/
http://www.scribd.com/doc/146930457/PRISM-Class



On the always popular grounds of "national security" there has been no public debate regarding the scope of what can be accessed under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. If that debate was conducted it would appear the public is fine with having its data readily accessible by the feds, perhaps because Big Data already is sliced and diced by so many private companies.

A large majority of Americans say the federal government should focus on investigating possible terrorist threats even if personal privacy is compromised, and most support the blanket tracking of telephone records in an effort to uncover terrorist activity, according to a new Washington Post-Pew Research Center poll....

Overall, 56 percent of Americans consider the NSA’s accessing of telephone call records of millions of Americans through secret court orders “acceptable,” while 41 percent call the practice “unacceptable.” In 2006, when news broke of the NSA’s monitoring of telephone and e-mail communications without court approval, there was a closer divide on the practice — 51 percent to 47 percent. ...

With a Democratic president at the helm instead of a Republican, partisan views have turned around significantly.

Sixty-nine percent of Democrats say terrorism investigations, not privacy, should be the government’s main concern, an 18-percentage-point jump from early January 2006, when the NSA activity under the George W. Bush administration was first reported. Compared with that time, Republicans’ focus on privacy has increased 22 points.

The reversal on the NSA’s practices is even more dramatic. In early 2006, 37 percent of Democrats found the agency’s activities acceptable; now nearly twice that number — 64 percent — say the use of telephone records is okay. By contrast, Republicans slumped from 75 percent acceptable to 52 percent today.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/most-americans-support-nsa-tracking-phone-records-prioritize-investigations-over-privacy/2013/06/10/51e721d6-d204-11e2-9f1a-1a7cdee20287_story.html

Fire Arians
06-11-2013, 02:44 PM
http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/971247_588234467887766_1586831215_n.jpg

MACH1
06-26-2013, 12:18 PM
As we all know now it's more than just verizon.

PRISM-Proof Your Smartphone: 10 Apps To Keep The NSA Out Of Your Phone

http://www.ibtimes.com/prism-proof-your-smartphone-10-apps-keep-nsa-out-your-phone-1321085

JonM229
06-26-2013, 01:11 PM
As we all know now it's more than just verizon.

If the NSA has been spying on my phone, they certainly have a lot of porn to sift through.


Like...a lot

ebsteelers
06-26-2013, 01:16 PM
does that mean they been collection all the nude photos i sent out to the chicks #bigjunk #yolo#theymustbejelly#gamer

teegre
06-26-2013, 01:21 PM
If the NSA has been spying on my phone, they certainly have a lot of porn to sift through.


Like...a lot

I tried to find a Youtube video quote, from a Simpsons episode, where Sideshow Bob is hiding on a military base... and they are searching for him. The soldiers burst into the general's office, and he asks if they have found Sideshow Bob, and the soldiers reply, "All we found was porn, porn, porn!!!"

MACH1
06-26-2013, 01:28 PM
If the NSA has been spying on my phone, they certainly have a lot of porn to sift through.


Like...a lot

Beastiality is not good.

Atlanta Dan
06-26-2013, 01:30 PM
does that mean they been collection all the nude photos i sent out to the chicks #bigjunk #yolo#theymustbejelly#gamer

You really need this app:thumbsup:

Experience a unique way to share life with friends.

Snap a photo or a video, add a caption, and send it to a friend (or maybe a few). They'll view it, laugh, and then the snap disappears from the screen - unless your friend takes a screenshot!...

Please note: even though snaps are are deleted from our servers after they are viewed, we cannot prevent the recipient(s) from capturing and saving the message by taking a screenshot or using an image capture device.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/snapchat/id447188370?mt=8

ebsteelers
06-26-2013, 01:37 PM
You really need this app:thumbsup:

Experience a unique way to share life with friends.

Snap a photo or a video, add a caption, and send it to a friend (or maybe a few). They'll view it, laugh, and then the snap disappears from the screen - unless your friend takes a screenshot!...

Please note: even though snaps are are deleted from our servers after they are viewed, we cannot prevent the recipient(s) from capturing and saving the message by taking a screenshot or using an image capture device.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/snapchat/id447188370?mt=8

lol this defintely does sound like an app for sending nude pictures lol

Atlanta Dan
07-01-2013, 01:47 PM
Obama seizes the moral low ground

President Barack Obama responded to outrage by European leaders over revelations of alleged U.S. spying on them by saying Monday that all nations, including those expressing the strongest protests, collect intelligence on each other.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/01/world/europe/eu-nsa/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

So much for being outraged the Chinese government is hacking computer systems in the U.S.

Vis
07-05-2013, 05:59 AM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1000719_10151522737126275_18643682_n.jpg

Fire Arians
07-05-2013, 01:58 PM
If the NSA has been spying on my phone, they certainly have a lot of porn to sift through.


Like...a lot

been doing the brett favre with your ol' lady? :chuckle:

JonM229
07-05-2013, 04:09 PM
She likes it when I shower the dog. Who do you think took that picture?

MasterOfPuppets
07-05-2013, 04:37 PM
She likes it when I shower the dog. Who do you think took that picture?
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQboldUxgMnWUtjDgmUXbqixWp7zM8ms chzWCKkfmpn4PPKl1pH1Q