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ebsteelers
06-26-2013, 03:26 PM
Tragic for Odin Lloyd

its tragedy all the way around,

for Lloyd cause he is 27 and dead,

Herandez is 23 and has at this point thrown his life away,

his young daughter who might only see her dad thru a jail cell

ebsteelers
06-26-2013, 03:27 PM
Serious Question though:


What does everyone think the final outcome will be with him?

Vis
06-26-2013, 03:27 PM
its tragedy all the way around,

for Lloyd cause he is 27 and dead,

Herandez is 23 and has at this point thrown his life away,

his young daughter who might only see her dad thru a jail cell

Daughter might be better off not having this guy teach her anything

Atlanta Dan
06-26-2013, 03:30 PM
please...

theres no difference between the patriots and ravens.


Pats are getting the benefit of the doubt (as have the Steelers) when it comes to the organization taking a hit for players conduct

All of this still comes with giving the Patriots some significant benefit of the doubt. If this were the Saints or the Cowboys cutting a notable player with no due process, the organization would come in for significantly more criticism. It would be treated as a sign of the rot within their building, a sign that they're out of control and making rash judgments. In the preseason, we would all talk about how they were embroiled in turmoil and might collapse this season. It says something about how the Patriots are perceived that those same criticisms aren’t really being made here. In the long run, we might look back and say they should have.

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/66991/the-football-and-financial-implications-of-the-patriots-releasing-aaron-hernandez-2

Atlanta Dan
06-26-2013, 03:32 PM
Serious Question though:


What does everyone think the final outcome will be with him?

If the co-perps have flipped, DA will have a hard time pleading this out to just the gun charges now that he has charged murder one - only a screw-up like the DA who prosecuted Ray Lewis makes those kinds of screw-ups

Jury might acquit or fail to reach a verdict on the murder charge

ebsteelers
06-26-2013, 03:34 PM
If the co-perps have flipped, DA will have a hard time pleading this out to just the gun charges now that he has charged murder one

I guess they flipped before he could?

tony hipchest
06-26-2013, 03:35 PM
Aaron Hernandez's lawyers should probably advise him not to make "I want to kill you" eyes at the prosecutor.

https://twitter.com/sportspickle/status/349961506655440896funny... while watching that i thought to myself "if looks could kill".

head cocked all back gangsta style, looking down his nose with a cold, unblinking stare.

Atlanta Dan
06-26-2013, 03:36 PM
Daughter might be better off not having this guy teach her anything

I always love it when someone is indicted for a big boy felony and one of the arguments for bail is that the child will be denied the daily parental presence of that wonderful person

tony hipchest
06-26-2013, 03:39 PM
so im willing to bet wes welker woulda taken the 40 mil and 12 mil guaranteed given to hernandez. but then again wes welker isnt really patriot material being all squeaky clean w/o the criminal element...

my money is on gronk being the next patriot to kill someone. but the question is how?

a) DWI accident
b) rapid spreading venerial disease
c) involuntary manslaughter of a prostitute/porn star in sex asphyxiation stunt.

Atlanta Dan
06-26-2013, 03:40 PM
I guess they flipped before he could?

Not certain it happened but offering up Hernandez is what they have to offer while having less to lose - no big bank accounts for them to afford the best representation $$ can buy and they were not looking at losing millions under their NFL contract by cooperating and pleading to a lesser charge

If Hernandez flipped Goodell would have fried him

ebsteelers
06-26-2013, 03:42 PM
so im willing to bet wes welker woulda taken the 40 mil and 12 mil guaranteed given to hernandez. but then again wes welker isnt really patriot material being all squeaky clean w/o the criminal element...

my money is on gronk being the next patriot to kill someone. but the question is how?

a) DWI accident
b) rapid spreading venerial disease
c) involuntary manslaughter of a prostitute/porn star in sex asphyxiation stunt.

probably with that infection on his forearm, battle dancing

ebsteelers
06-26-2013, 03:43 PM
Not certain it happened but offering up Hernandez is what they have to offer while having less to lose - no big bank accounts for them to afford the best representation $$ can buy and they were not looking at losing millions under their NFL contract by cooperating and pleading to a lesser charge

If Hernandez flipped Goodell would have fried him

no hes a Patriot, if he flipped Goodell would of said you did a good job, see ya on the field in September

Atlanta Dan
06-26-2013, 03:45 PM
so im willing to bet wes welker woulda taken the 40 mil and 12 mil guaranteed given to hernandez. but then again wes welker isnt really patriot material being all squeaky clean w/o the criminal element...

Welker's wife talked trash about Ray Lewis on Facebook and Welker had to go because of the unfair attacks on Ray

This having come from the Patriots camp is funnier than ever now


Welker's wife, Anna Burns Welker, used social-media site Facebook to take a few shots at Baltimore Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis on Sunday night after the Patriots' 28-13 loss to the Ravens in the AFC Championship Game.

"Proud of my husband and the Pats. By the way, if anyone is bored, please go to Ray Lewis' Wikipedia page. 6 kids 4 wives. Acquitted for murder. Paid a family off. Yay. What a hall of fame player! A true role model!"

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/8867098/anna-burns-welker-wes-welker-wife-apologizes-ray-lewis-comments

ebsteelers
06-26-2013, 03:48 PM
so whats the next step in this whole process, and when does it go down?






i guess dancing gronk isnt so bad after all

Lokki
06-26-2013, 03:49 PM
http://i.imgur.com/n3zWOlB.jpg

PATS16N0
06-26-2013, 03:49 PM
News flash: Aaron Hernandez is not a Patriot.
The jokes that we're a team of murderers don't make it past the nonsensical forum troll test.

We just severed ties with one of the better players in the league at the snap of a finger.
Let's not start pretending otherwise because it gives us internet material.

PATS16N0
06-26-2013, 03:50 PM
http://i.imgur.com/n3zWOlB.jpg

Hahahahaha.
That made my day

Lokki
06-26-2013, 03:54 PM
News flash: Aaron Hernandez is not a Patriot.
The jokes that we're a team of murderers don't make it past the nonsensical forum troll test.

We just severed ties with one of the better players in the league at the snap of a finger.
Let's not start pretending otherwise because it gives us internet material.

As much as I dislike the Pats, I give them props for cutting him that quick, even with the big cap hit.

MACH1
06-26-2013, 03:55 PM
News flash: Aaron Hernandez is not a Patriot.
The jokes that we're a team of murderers don't make it past the nonsensical forum troll test.

We just severed ties with one of the better players in the league at the snap of a finger.
Let's not start pretending otherwise because it gives us internet material.

Remind us all again what team roster he was on when he killed Lloyd.

Lokki
06-26-2013, 03:55 PM
Hahahahaha.
That made my day

Actually, I guess those will probably be the 2038 Jerseys as well.. Maybe even longer.

PATS16N0
06-26-2013, 03:57 PM
Remind us all again what team roster he was on when he killed Lloyd.

Still unfair. If a Steeler kills someone, and the organization handles it correctly, I wouldn't be ramming your criminality down your throats just to troll you even though I know one doesn't have anything to do with the other.

Actually... Yes I would, so troll away.

MACH1
06-26-2013, 03:58 PM
so whats the next step in this whole process, and when does it go down?



https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQyqx4dDdRgi1L6srhTZBWpVpPxMa_c6 UF3smkezFMPde-gKDp0XQ

PATS16N0
06-26-2013, 04:01 PM
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQyqx4dDdRgi1L6srhTZBWpVpPxMa_c6 UF3smkezFMPde-gKDp0XQ

Now I'm disturbed as well as upset. Thanks

JonM229
06-26-2013, 04:02 PM
Still unfair. If a Steeler kills someone, and the organization handles it correctly, I wouldn't be ramming your criminality down your throats just to troll you even though I know one doesn't have anything to do with the other.

Actually... Yes I would, so troll away.

The only valid argument would be that the Pats knew about his character issues, which is why he was drafted so low in the first place.

tony hipchest
06-26-2013, 04:02 PM
News flash: Aaron Hernandez is not a Patriot.
The jokes that we're a team of murderers don't make it past the nonsensical forum troll test.
.i prefer the phrase "a team of killers".

it would be nonsense to suggest stallworth and seau were charged with murder.

PATS16N0
06-26-2013, 04:04 PM
i prefer the phrase "a team of killers".

it would be nonsense to suggest stallworth and seau were charged with murder.

Seriously, bringing Seau into this is just wrong man.

But I did miss you, Tony!

ebsteelers
06-26-2013, 04:05 PM
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQyqx4dDdRgi1L6srhTZBWpVpPxMa_c6 UF3smkezFMPde-gKDp0XQ

yikes!!!


maybe aaron can work on his chest, while he is locked up, looked awfully skinny in the one pic i saw of him.



needs to get on that 50 cent pre jail then post jail work out!

PATS16N0
06-26-2013, 04:05 PM
The only valid argument would be that the Pats knew about his character issues, which is why he was drafted so low in the first place.

Randy Moss had character issues.
Driving a friend out to an industrial site at 3 in the morning and then killing him execution style is a bit different than the worries that caused him to drop to the 4th round lol

ebsteelers
06-26-2013, 04:06 PM
i prefer the phrase "a team of killers".

it would be nonsense to suggest stallworth and seau were charged with murder.

i guess he would be charged with something if he survived

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Dino 6 Rings
06-26-2013, 04:07 PM
Billionaire Kraft made a call to the FBI

"Hey, its Mr Kraft"

"Uh...yes Sir, what can I do for you?"

"whatch got?"

"well Sir...we aren't really supposed to..."

"Shut up, I'm Robert effing Kraft...whatcha got?"

"well Sir...he's going to be arrested for Murder, pretty sure he killed that guy"

"Thanks"

-click-

"Bill...its Bob...Cut him"

"Done"

That's it. Nothing "special" about it.

ebsteelers
06-26-2013, 04:08 PM
it all comes down to the intent of it,

little, stallworth were just drunk

rae planned it out, aaron seems to have planned it out

and ray well were not sure about him yet

MACH1
06-26-2013, 04:08 PM
Randy Moss had character issues.
Driving a friend out to an industrial site at 3 in the morning and then killing him execution style is a bit different than the worries that caused him to drop to the 4th round lol

It's not the first time he shot someone.

teegre
06-26-2013, 04:09 PM
Still unfair. If a Steeler kills someone, and the organization handles it correctly, I wouldn't be ramming your criminality down your throats just to troll you even though I know one doesn't have anything to do with the other.

Actually... Yes I would, so troll away.

That's honesty.

I might disagree with you (a lot), but I respect the hell out of honestly.

ebsteelers
06-26-2013, 04:12 PM
That's honesty.

I might disagree with you (a lot), but I respect the hell out of honestly.

Wasnt around long enough, but im sure there was guys here trolling when Ben was going thru his stuff, and he wasnt even charged

tony hipchest
06-26-2013, 04:17 PM
Seriously, bringing Seau into this is just wrong man.

But I did miss you, Tony!haha! :hug:

not wrong... like ebsteelers correctly pointed out, suicide is an illegal crime.

wrong woulda been to say former patriot albert haynesworth curb stomped gerode like ed norton in "American History X" :thumbsup:

teegre
06-26-2013, 04:24 PM
Wasnt around long enough, but im sure there was guys here trolling when Ben was going thru his stuff, and he wasnt even charged

As they should have. If you can't bust your nemeses' balls, whose balls can you bust???

MACH1
06-26-2013, 04:26 PM
As they should have. If you can't bust your nemeses' balls, whose balls can you bust???

Buddha's :hunch:

Fire Haley
06-26-2013, 04:47 PM
They have a few clues

for once it fits, DOOMED!

The DA reported having video surveillance of AH vehicle in Dorchester, Attleboro and his home with time frame and text messages from victim stating he was with "NFL".


3:23 - Surveillance of Hernandez leaving car with Lloyd.

Between 3:23-3:27 Workers in surrounding buildings report hearing gunshots.

3:27 - Hernandez returns to car alone.

2 minutes later surveillance shows Hernandez coming into his house with a gun in his hand.

Altima rental returned to dealer. Dealer starts cleaning car and finds shell casing that matches those found next to dead body.



Not even Ray Lewis could get out of this one

PATS16N0
06-26-2013, 04:47 PM
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lol Took this from Patsfans lol

Buddha Bus
06-26-2013, 04:59 PM
Thank god I am not a public figure. I would be worse then Bill Parcells, Barry Bonds and Jim Leiland combined. These mother fuckers at BSPN and all these news outlets from the internet to local tv were ROASTING Hernandez and making it out like he killed, left, disposed and is ready to go to the chair at moments notice. All of a sudden, no evidence of shit anywhere, turns out there is no warrant for his arrest, they don't have shit. Completely destroyed this guy without a shred of anything and on top of that, that jerk off of an organization tells him to go home when he needed to go somewhere to get away. Nice one Kraft and Belicrap, nice. Way to put the media in front of your own players just like every other drone, zombie, easily manipulated asshole out there. If nothing comes out of this, which it looks like it will be, Hernandez should be one of those guys who comes to work and leaves. Tell anyone or anything from commissioner, to coach to owner to suck my schlong if they want anything out of him. Whatta disgrace.

You were saying....

PATS16N0
06-26-2013, 05:05 PM
Welp, not that that's over, who's up for a Tom Brady appreciation thread?

/

OX1947
06-26-2013, 05:06 PM
for once it fits, DOOMED!

The DA reported having video surveillance of AH vehicle in Dorchester, Attleboro and his home with time frame and text messages from victim stating he was with "NFL".


3:23 - Surveillance of Hernandez leaving car with Lloyd.

Between 3:23-3:27 Workers in surrounding buildings report hearing gunshots.

3:27 - Hernandez returns to car alone.

2 minutes later surveillance shows Hernandez coming into his house with a gun in his hand.

Altima rental returned to dealer. Dealer starts cleaning car and finds shell casing that matches those found next to dead body.



Not even Ray Lewis could get out of this one

"I don't care what the evidence says, he is innocent."

-Al Cowlings

PATS16N0
06-26-2013, 05:08 PM
"I don't care what the evidence says, he is innocent."

-Al Cowlings

They even have the victim sending text messages making sure people knew who he was with

To paraphrase:

"You know who I'm with right?"

"NFL"

"Just so you know."

OX1947
06-26-2013, 05:08 PM
You were saying....

Ahhhhh, yah, my sister wrote that when I left the room. She's pre-law and shit....












:usa:

pczach
06-26-2013, 05:09 PM
Welp, not that that's over, who's up for a Tom Brady appreciation thread?

/

I'm afraid you're going to have to go off-site for that one....:helmet:

Atlanta Dan
06-26-2013, 05:16 PM
Welp, not that that's over, who's up for a Tom Brady appreciation thread?

I checked with Welker's wife - she said no go since Brady sired a kid out of wedlock

Buddha Bus
06-26-2013, 05:17 PM
Welp, not that that's over, who's up for a Tom Brady appreciation thread?

/

I'm about as excited about that as I am another Wallace thread.

Buddha Bus
06-26-2013, 05:17 PM
Ahhhhh, yah, my sister wrote that when I left the room. She's pre-law and shit....












:usa:



OK, Murf. :wink02:

Fire Haley
06-26-2013, 05:18 PM
They even have the victim sending text messages making sure people knew who he was with

To paraphrase:

"You know who I'm with right?"

"NFL"

"Just so you know."


So Hernandez basically threw his entire life and career and multimillion dollar fortune away because Lloyd talked to the 'wrong' people at a club in Boston.


Hernandez: "Can't trust anyone...."

Dino 6 Rings
06-26-2013, 05:21 PM
Bet he goes on 'suicide watch' before Friday

teegre
06-26-2013, 05:22 PM
You were saying....

I was just looking up the same post... literally... right now.

You beat me to it.

Buddha Bus
06-26-2013, 05:23 PM
I was just looking up the same post... literally... right now.

You beat me to it.



:tap:

Atlanta Dan
06-26-2013, 05:24 PM
So Hernandez basically threw his entire life and career and multimillion dollar fortune away because Lloyd talked to the 'wrong' people at a club in Boston."

Yep - but that was a small price to pay for keeping it real

teegre
06-26-2013, 05:25 PM
This bears iteration (it's buried somewhere at the beginning):

Dick Cheney, Ted Kennedy, and Aaron Hernandez are driving to a hunting trip...

teegre
06-26-2013, 05:27 PM
Yep - but that was a small price to pay for keeping it real

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHRLloH5LE4

pczach
06-26-2013, 05:29 PM
This bears iteration (it's buried somewhere at the beginning):

Dick Cheney, Ted Kennedy, and Aaron Hernandez are driving to a hunting trip...

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g207/stogey420time/FAIL/pulpsearchcroppedforsizecensored.jpg

Buddha Bus
06-26-2013, 05:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHRLloH5LE4

And I was just thinking about that same Chappelle sketch. :chuckle:

teegre
06-26-2013, 05:31 PM
And I was just thinking about that same Chappelle sketch. :chuckle:

We are of one mind. Like the Borg... only, with a sense of humor.

PATS16N0
06-26-2013, 05:33 PM
I'm about as excited about that as I am another Wallace thread.

If you follow all the latest theories in the world of physics, you would have a better grasp on the concept of alternate universes.

What I'm trying to tell you is, somewhere, in some space, there's an alternate version of you, and he's wearing a #12 Tom Brady jersey and thinks the Patriot Way is wicked awesome.

Embrace your alternate reality self.

pczach
06-26-2013, 05:34 PM
We are of one mind. Like the Borg... only, with a sense of humor.

http://t.qkme.me/3rh531.jpg

PATS16N0
06-26-2013, 05:36 PM
There's an alternate universe version of me, too, who's a Steelers fan, but he's a huge idiot.

Buddha Bus
06-26-2013, 05:37 PM
If you follow all the latest theories in the world of physics, you would have a better grasp on the concept of alternate universes.

What I'm trying to tell you is, somewhere, in some space, there's an alternate version of you, and he's wearing a #12 Tom Brady jersey and thinks the Patriot Way is wicked awesome.

Embrace your alternate reality self.

Then I am about to embark on a cross-reality mercy killing assassination of my alternate self. That poor, twisted, and misguided bastard version of me must be destroyed at once to maintain balance in the universe.

I guess this means your alternate you is lounging around somewhere in wet Roethlisberger panties right about now too, huh? :poke:

Buddha Bus
06-26-2013, 05:38 PM
There's an alternate universe version of me, too, who's a Steelers fan, but he's a huge idiot.

So... not much different than this version. Just different colored clothing and better taste in football teams? :noidea:

PATS16N0
06-26-2013, 05:38 PM
rofl

PATS16N0
06-26-2013, 05:39 PM
That was a gift but I still gave it because it was funny lol.

PATS16N0
06-26-2013, 05:43 PM
At least in alternate universe NEPatriots Steelerfan world, Tom Brady and Bill Belichick are in Pittsburgh

Buddha Bus
06-26-2013, 05:44 PM
At least in alternate universe NEPatriots Steelerfan world, Tom Brady and Bill Belichick are in Pittsburgh

Apparently, we've just entered into one of these alternate universes as you and I are actually getting along civilly for a minute. :chuckle:

pczach
06-26-2013, 05:46 PM
At least in alternate universe NEPatriots Steelerfan world, Tom Brady and Bill Belichick are in Pittsburgh

That's why you think you've won more Super Bowls than you really have in this reality......

Buddha Bus
06-26-2013, 05:50 PM
That's why you think you've won more Super Bowls than you really have in this reality......

No, that's just drug-induced dementia. :wink02:

NSMaster56
06-26-2013, 05:51 PM
Serious question:

Who is Tom Brady throwing to in 2013?

Even with Amendola, this looks to be the worst corps of WR/TE's TB's had since 2006 (and remember how that turned out?).

teegre
06-26-2013, 05:52 PM
In the alternate universe, if Buddha is NETapes... then... would that make me an arrogant douche who takes no ownership of his mistakes? Or... worse... am I proponent of the 7-wide set???

Please, no... nooo... nooooo!!!!

Buddha Bus
06-26-2013, 05:55 PM
In the alternate universe, if Buddha is NETapes... then... would that make me an arrogant douche who takes no ownership of his mistakes? Or... worse... am I proponent of the 7-wide set???

Please, no... nooo... nooooo!!!!

Uptown Arians?

Buddha Bus
06-26-2013, 05:56 PM
Serious question:

Who is Tom Brady throwing to in 2013?

Even with Amendola, this looks to be the worst corps of WR/TE's TB's had since 2006 (and remember how that turned out?).

Why, Tim Tebow of course! Problem solved! :thumbsup:


I also hear Quackjack has been getting some interest from the Patriots* brass since his "release". Scouts say he's a great target. :wink02:

Fire Haley
06-26-2013, 05:57 PM
Yep - but that was a small price to pay for keeping it real

you can the thug outta the hood.....but you can't take the hood outa the thug


somewhere his homies are singing like songbirds---the DA has way too much detailed info for it all just to be cellphone chatter and grainy video

Atlanta Dan
06-26-2013, 05:58 PM
Serious question:

Who is Tom Brady throwing to in 2013?

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTRYs4fU1koeMaS9Zn0d39asjCLFdfkm YYf4nrik7SJEB8tPdSojg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--hMJPUBwMc

PATS16N0
06-26-2013, 06:18 PM
Serious question:

Who is Tom Brady throwing to in 2013?

Even with Amendola, this looks to be the worst corps of WR/TE's TB's had since 2006 (and remember how that turned out?).

Well, Amendola isn't a Welker replica but he has a skill set we'll incorporate into our offense I hope immediately.
We have Julian Edelman who was having a big season and starting to really break out last year before his injury (see Thanksgiving)

Jake Ballard will take Hernandez spot, although he can't match Hernandez utility, unfortunately.

We'll have Gronk back hopefully by half way through the season.

Our running game is going to be better this year, and it was highly ranked last season (3rd? Forget)

Our rookies look promising. Dobson has hands, which is what we need. Too many important drops lately. Here's our first pick from this draft
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99lzd57Ib_w

We have very, very high hopes for this young man! Future Randy Moss hopes.

Here's "the catch"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCdFFFAxLz0

Hmmm... Who else? Wouldn't surprise me if we bring back Lloyd and replace him for Branch.

I'm expecting Ridley and Shane Vereen to have big years.

Our biggest loss is Hernandez. I'm not concerned about Welker and I hope that doesn't come back to bite me, but that's the truth.
In 2012 we lost Hernandez for the first half of the season, and as soon as we got him back, we lost Gronk for the second half.

Despite that we were like 4 points shy of topping the 2011 Packers for 2nd highest scoring offense of all time. (2007 Pats #1 :) )

I think we're going to be ok. May not be as pretty, may not be the greatest show on earth like it's previously been, but it will get the job done.

Also expecting our defense to be a top five defense this year, and #1 by far in turn overs (again)

I'm cautiously confident.

PATS16N0
06-26-2013, 06:25 PM
I mean... Brady brought the 2011 Patriot defense to the Superbowl (incredible honestly)
and came one play away from going to the 2006 Superbowl with a receiving core I can almost guarantee nobody on this forum has ever heard of.

Buddha Bus
06-26-2013, 06:28 PM
I mean... Brady brought the 2011 Patriot defense to the Superbowl (incredible honestly)
and came one play away from going to the 2006 Superbowl with a receiving core I can almost guarantee nobody on this forum has ever heard of.

Those 2nd and 3rd place trophies must look pretty sweet on the ol' mantle. :wink02:

PATS16N0
06-26-2013, 06:29 PM
Those 2nd and 3rd place trophies must look pretty sweet on the ol' mantle. :wink02:

Just pointing out only a fool would take this off season as good reason to take the 2013 Patriots lightly.

Nobody bets against Tom.

Even if the Patriots met the Giants next year in the Superbowl, every mediabot would look at the last two Superbowls, see the trend.... then still lay their money down on #12.

Buddha Bus
06-26-2013, 06:33 PM
Even if the Patriots met the Giants next year in the Superbowl, every mediabot would look at the last two Superbowls, see the trend.... then still lay their money down on #12.

Now that would be foolish. At least you realize that the mainstream sports media are just a bunch of Brady nut-huggers. But, hey.... who am I to try to dissuade people from throwing their money and credibility out the window? :noidea:

Now with the bad karma of a murderer added to it, they are in for a world of hurt. Tebow had better pray... HARD!

teegre
06-26-2013, 06:40 PM
I mean... Brady brought the 2011 Patriot defense to the Superbowl (incredible honestly)
and came one play away from going to the 2006 Superbowl with a receiving core I can almost guarantee nobody on this forum has ever heard of.

You can thank Marlon McCree for getting even that close in 2006.

He had that SD game wrapped up with an INT. And then... he ran with the ball... and fumbled it.

Anyway, you ate correct: Brady is good with whomever he has.

I was just pointing out that 2006 should have been San Diego's year... if not for that season-ending gaffe.

teegre
06-26-2013, 06:42 PM
Uptown Arians?

I'm kind of fond of: 'Murpher.

NSMaster56
06-26-2013, 06:49 PM
I mean... Brady brought the 2011 Patriot defense to the Superbowl (incredible honestly)
and came one play away from going to the 2006 Superbowl with a receiving core I can almost guarantee nobody on this forum has ever heard of.

Reche Caldwell, Jabari Gaffney and... who were that other rejects? Yikes, that was a terrible corps.

And yes, the Pats should be 'fine' (10+ wins easy) still, but... man. Would not want to be Tom Brady right now (well, maybe to give Gisele a quickie, but not on the football field).

Buddha Bus
06-26-2013, 06:53 PM
And yes, the Pats should be 'fine' (10+ wins easy)

Well that isn't too hard when you're spotted 6 easy wins per year right off the bat in your own division. It's like 6 extra bye weeks except you're handed a win at the end of each. :noidea:

PATS16N0
06-26-2013, 07:06 PM
Dolphins going to be a wildcard contender this season.

AFC East has one dominant team, one potentially really good team, one question mark, and the NY JEST.

Might not be the strongest division, but it isn't that weak either.

Also, 10 wins is unacceptable. I'd be embarrassed to get 10 wins, unless it is followed by a ring.

12 wins minimum, despite a strong schedule.

PATS16N0
06-26-2013, 07:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCwEUdMJ-io

4rings4brady

Buddha Bus
06-26-2013, 07:11 PM
Dolphins going to be a wildcard contender this season.

AFC East has one dominant team, one potentially really good team, one question mark, and the NY JEST.

Might not be the strongest division, but it isn't that weak either.

Also, 10 wins is unacceptable. I'd be embarrassed to get 10 wins, unless it is followed by a ring.

12 wins minimum, despite a strong schedule.

Maybe, but recent history says otherwise. The other 3 teams in your division have sucked ass for quite awhile now except for the near Armageddon-inducing couple of years where the Jets were playoff contenders under Rex "Foot Man" Ryan. No real contenders to speak of in that sorry division otherwise. Hell, we could have rustled up 53 guys here to give those other 3 sad sack teams a run for their money in the past decade. :chuckle:

PATS16N0
06-26-2013, 07:16 PM
Maybe, but recent history says otherwise. The other 3 teams in your division have sucked ass for quite awhile now except for the near Armageddon-inducing couple of years where the Jets were playoff contenders under Rex "Foot Man" Ryan. No real contenders to speak of in that sorry division otherwise. Hell, we could have rustled up 53 guys here to give those other 3 sad sack teams a run for their money in the past decade. :chuckle:

More like when the Jets tried to buy relevancy with big time contracts that were going to destroy their future team. Check came last season and keeps on coming until 2014.

I think the Dolphins are going to be dangerous this season.

Atlanta Dan
06-26-2013, 07:18 PM
Dolphins going to be a wildcard contender this season.

AFC East has one dominant team, one potentially really good team, one question mark, and the NY JEST.

Might not be the strongest division, but it isn't that weak either.

Also, 10 wins is unacceptable. I'd be embarrassed to get 10 wins, unless it is followed by a ring.

12 wins minimum, despite a strong schedule.

All anyone should want out of the regular season is making the playoffs

Part of the NFL arguing that "every game counts" and therefore every game must be watched has resulted in me obsessing over the Steelers getting home field advantage when the playoffs are locked up. That was pointless

In 2001 and 2004 the Steelers earned home field during the regular season and crapped out twice against the Pats at Heinz in the playoffs. In 2005 the Steelers got a ring by winning three playoff games on the road. In 2008 and 2010 the Steelers were only a second seed but ended up playing the AFC championship at home both years because the Titans and Pats blew home playoff games.

When you look at the teams that recently have won rings after winning championship games on the road (2005 Steelers, 2007 and 2011 Giants, 2012 Ravens) I do not think regular season record means much these days

Buddha Bus
06-26-2013, 07:18 PM
More like when the Jets tried to buy relevancy with big time contracts that were going to destroy their future team. Check came last season and keeps on coming until 2014.

I think the Dolphins are going to be dangerous this season.

The Jets suck and deserve that blowhard Ryan and his out-of-control kindergarten class he calls a team. I never liked any of the Ryan family and their arrogant assholishness.

The Dolphins are the Dolphins. They haven't scared anybody since Dan Marino retired. They are trying to do the same thing you just derided the Jets for... buy a championship.

PATS16N0
06-26-2013, 07:21 PM
The Jets suck and deserve that blowhard Ryan and his out-of-control kindergarten class he calls a team. I never liked any of the Ryan family and their arrogant assholishness..

You and I can be friends.

MACH1
06-26-2013, 07:24 PM
You and I can be friends.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-S3TrF4mjjMU/T6FdBaAkW8I/AAAAAAAAGMQ/P7outAR6RPQ/s320/i+love+you+you+love+me+with+barney.jpg

MACH1
06-26-2013, 07:40 PM
http://d3fsqtc6sy2z27.cloudfront.net/uploads/26c6978ee4f57228dcb039cb0a52cd3f_large

Fire Arians
06-26-2013, 07:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCwEUdMJ-io

4rings4brady

marino was the greatest of all time. he just couldn't do it without a defense / running game, he was the guy.

though brady is definitely the best of the current generation

pczach
06-26-2013, 08:05 PM
Everybody still thinks they win 12+ games this year. I don't think so. They were not a very good team at the end of the year when they lost Gronk, and they still had Hernandez to fall back on. I think they may be in for a struggle this year. With Gronks back, he is now one play from going down with back issues, or from another broken arm. I think they're in some trouble this year, unless they pick up another weapon or two. They may even struggle to win their division.

pczach
06-26-2013, 08:08 PM
http://d3fsqtc6sy2z27.cloudfront.net/uploads/26c6978ee4f57228dcb039cb0a52cd3f_large

http://i1079.photobucket.com/albums/w507/Mrrick77/Unarmed_zpsa67a9a52.jpg

teegre
06-26-2013, 08:10 PM
Remember the 1998 Minnesota Vikings? Man, they have that trophy for best offense ever... and they were 15-1. Six Lombardis pales in comparison.

I wish that I was a fan of a team who does well in the regular season... and then chokes.

Stupid Steelers... winning in the play-offs.

PATS16N0
06-26-2013, 08:13 PM
Everybody still thinks they win 12+ games this year. I don't think so. They were not a very good team at the end of the year when they lost Gronk, and they still had Hernandez to fall back on. I think they may be in for a struggle this year. With Gronks back, he is now one play from going down with back issues, or from another broken arm. I think they're in some trouble this year, unless they pick up another weapon or two. They may even struggle to win their division.

Went 5-1 without Hernandez last season, and went to the AFC Championship game withoutt Gronk, and on the way breathed fire all over the highly vaunted 49'er defense in a near come-back NFL game of the year.

Without Hernandez, in the first six games, we were averaging 43 points per game.

What Hernandez gave us was a TE lining up as a slot receiver, with excellent hands, forcing defenses to play nickel and forcing all sorts of mismatch problems.
We can find that somewhere else.

I think we'll be ok.

PATS16N0
06-26-2013, 08:16 PM
Remember the 1998 Minnesota Vikings? Man, they have that trophy for best offense ever... and they were 15-1. Six Lombardis pales in comparison.

I wish that I was a fan of a team who does well in the regular season... and then chokes.

Stupid Steelers... winning in the play-offs.

Play off wins?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyZ4EINmDU8

Brady's 17 say hello

pczach
06-26-2013, 08:31 PM
Went 5-1 without Hernandez last season, and went to the AFC Championship game withoutt Gronk, and on the way breathed fire all over the highly vaunted 49'er defense in a near come-back NFL game of the year.

Without Hernandez, in the first six games, we were averaging 43 points per game.

What Hernandez gave us was a TE lining up as a slot receiver, with excellent hands, forcing defenses to play nickel and forcing all sorts of mismatch problems.
We can find that somewhere else.

I think we'll be ok.

They were getting their teeth kicked in, and the 49ers took their foot off the gas. They piled up tons of yards and points when it didn't matter.

In the playoffs, they won one game without Gronk against an inferior team and then got controlled by a substandard Raven defense. This was when they still had Hernandez.

The Patriot Coolaid is flowing already. Good luck. You're going to need it.

Fire Arians
06-26-2013, 08:31 PM
http://blogs.clarionledger.com/jsu/files/2010/11/playoffs.jpg

pczach
06-26-2013, 08:35 PM
Play off wins?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyZ4EINmDU8

Brady's 17 say hello

Yeah, we're silly like that around here. We actually count Super Bowls as post season games.

:wave:

Bayz101
06-26-2013, 08:35 PM
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/120206033211-manning-story-top.jpg

Atlanta Dan
06-26-2013, 08:46 PM
Play off wins?

Brady's 17 say hello

Since 9 of the wins are from the 2001 - 2004 seasons the voice is getting harder to hear with the passage of time - he has been living off that reputation after subsequent results have been more pedestrian (8-7 in the playoffs since 2005)

Further explanation of Brady's waning powers here


When discussing the clutch records of athletes like Matt Ryan and LeBron James in the past, I've brought up the idea of looking at Tom Brady's playoff record in reverse chronological order to highlight just how much of our opinions on athletes can be defined by what they do early in the "big moments" of their career. Just for fun, since we're all trying to figure out what this round of playoffs means for the legacies of guys like Ryan, Joe Flacco, and Peyton Manning, let's actually go through year-by-year and see what opinions might have cropped up with regard to Tom Brady if we flipped his 13-year career on its head. I promise that I will only be as jaundiced in the descriptions as most people would be about the likes of Ryan and Manning. You can play along with his playoff game log here.

2012
Record: 1-1
Career-to-date: 1-1

Brady makes his playoff debut and easily dispatches the Texans at home, but despite the fact that his Patriots are heavy home favorites against the Ravens, New England loses when they fail to produce in the red zone. Brady shows his inability to handle pressure situations when he mismanages the clock at the end of the first half and has to settle for a field goal, a problem that should hopefully go away when he matures. The Patriots have a shot late in the game, but an ill-timed Brady interception puts New England's title hopes to rest.

2011
Record: 2-1
Career-to-date: 3-2

Although Brady takes a leap forward and makes his first Super Bowl, his performance during the playoffs leaves a bit to be desired. Brady runs up his stats against the lowly Broncos and Tim Tebow, throwing for six touchdowns and 363 yards. In the AFC Championship Game, Brady throws two picks against the Ravens and posts a passer rating of 57.5, but his defense bails him out with the famous strip of Lee Evans in the end zone and the Billy Cundiff missed field goal. And despite a stretch of hot play in the second quarter, when he sets a consecutive completions record, Brady comes up short when his team needs him most in the second half, failing to connect with Wes Welker on a long would-be touchdown and failing to protect a lead inside four minutes of the fourth quarter. Brady almost literally hands Eli Manning and the Giants the Super Bowl.

2010
Record: 0-1
Career-to-date: 3-3

In a shocking upset, Brady's Patriots lose as 9.5-point home favorites to the Jets, who befuddle Brady while sacking him five times and forcing an early interception to set the tone. It's Brady's second playoff loss as a heavy home favorite in three years.

2009
Record: 0-1
Career-to-date: 3-4

It's another crushing loss for Brady, who appears to have never recovered after blowing the lead in the Super Bowl and failing to hit Welker with the game on the line. He turns over the ball four times, including three times on the first four drives, as the Patriots fall to 2-3 at home in the playoffs under Brady.

2007
Record: 2-1
Career-to-date: 5-5

The ultimate regular-season superstar comes up short yet again on the big stage. After a stunning 16-0 season earns Brady his first MVP award, a mediocre playoff run ends in failure for the Patriots. Sure, Brady beats up on the AFC South at home, as he throws for 262 yards and three touchdowns against the Jaguars, but what happens when the competition gets tougher? He throws three picks against the Chargers in the conference championship and only wins because he's playing a guy on a torn ACL. And while Brady manages to finally beat the Giants for the first time in Week 17, he still can't beat them when it really counts, as the perfect team falls just short. Brady can only muster a measly 5.5 yards per attempt as he endlessly checks down and scores just 14 points.

2006
Record: 2-1
Career-to-date: 7-6

Can Tom Brady ever beat a Manning brother? First, it was Eli. Now, it's big brother Peyton getting into the act, as the Colts launch a dramatic comeback in the AFC Championship Game to produce a 38-34 victory. Again, Brady beats up on the league's weaklings before playing worse in each successive game; he throws for 212 yards and two scores against the Jets, but then has another three-pick game against the Chargers in a contest where the Patriots only pull the game out after the Chargers try to return Brady's final pick deep in the fourth quarter and Troy Brown manages to strip the ball loose. In that AFC Championship Game, Brady fumbles a snap into the end zone that's recovered for a touchdown — wouldn't a clutch player be able to hold onto a snap? He also gets a pick-six to eventually go up 21-6 heading into halftime, but the Patriots blow a 15-point lead and lose when Brady fails to come through with a lead on third-and-4 inside of three minutes, giving the ball to Manning and setting up a game-winning score. Is he ever going to have a big drive when his team really needs it?

2005
Record: 1-1
Career-to-date: 8-7

Yawn. The book on Tom Brady's already been written. Sure, he throws for 201 yards and three touchdowns against the Jaguars at home in an early-round victory. Who doesn't beat up on the weaklings of the AFC South? When he has to travel on the road to play the Broncos, though, Brady puts up an empty 341 yards as he throws two picks, including one in the Denver end zone that Champ Bailey returns 99 yards to the 1-yard line on a drive that would have given New England the lead. The Patriots never recover.

At this point, Brady's playoff reputation is something resembling Peyton Manning. He's the guy who beats up on weak links and never shows up when his team really needs him. He's got various maladies: He can't beat the Giants or can't beat a Manning brother, he chokes when his team is a huge favorite at home, he can't produce a drive to kill off a game, he's distracted by his model wife. In what approximates a full season, Brady's line is good, but not great: 363-583 (62.3 percent completion percentage), 3,998 passing yards, 31 touchdowns, 19 interceptions. That's too many picks for a guy who averages only 10 interceptions per year. Antsy New England fans call for Bill Belichick's head because they want a head coach who has proven he can win Super Bowls.

And yet, despite the fact that you "know" Tom Brady, that he's the guy who can't come up with the big win, that he's just another quarterback who looks better in fantasy football than at the helm in the real thing, Tom Brady goes 9-0 in his next nine playoff games and wins three Super Bowls. He throws 11 touchdowns against three interceptions. He beats teams on the road. At home. As a favorite. As an underdog. He produces incredible, game-winning drives that will stand the test of time and redefine his legacy. Bizarro Simmons — undergoing a dramatic downward spiral that somehow takes him from hosting a show on ESPN to living in Charlestown and bumming cigarettes outside of Store 24 — has to laugh off years of columns about how he'll never be stupid enough to bet on Tom Brady when it really matters. Brady's career culminates with an incredibly gutsy performance against the Raiders at home in the snow, when he leads his team to a narrow victory before winning the next two games and claiming his third Super Bowl title. His legacy secure, Brady rides off into the sunset victorious.3

So, with that all in mind, you should take two things away from this silly exercise. First, what a quarterback does in the playoffs at the beginning of his career isn't any more meaningful than what he does in the middle or at the end of his career. You don't win an extra half Super Bowl if you do it before you turn 25. Second, you don't "know" what a quarterback is going to do in the playoffs because of how he's previously performed in the playoffs. We have 15 games over seven seasons saying that Tom Brady's a playoff flop, and that information means absolutely nothing in determining how Tom Brady would play in the future. Looking at the games under the proper chronological order says just as much: We had nine games suggesting that Tom Brady was unstoppable in the playoffs, and afterward, we've had 15 games implying that he's actually just like any other good quarterback in the postseason. That he's "been there before" means nothing, just like it did in 2001, when Brady made it to the Super Bowl and won it without having been there before. He's still capable of screwing up and making mistakes, as Sunday showed. He's also still capable of being great and winning a Super Bowl. The truth isn't quite as satisfying as a one-word label like "clutch" or "unclutch," but football's a lot more complicated than one-word labels. It deserves better, and just as the likes of Manning and Ryan are demeaned with overly simplistic stories about their playoff performance, so is Brady

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8864682/bill-barnwell-conference-championships


As they say in ads for mutual funds, past performace is no guarantee of future results:wink02:

teegre
06-26-2013, 08:47 PM
Play off wins?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyZ4EINmDU8

Brady's 17 say hello

Wait... why... oh... you assumed that I was talking to you.

Why would you assume that?

Oh... that's right.

MACH1
06-26-2013, 08:47 PM
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQZqTYkEw1COM6jthTjQAOctuAoegPbu kNJhY0CWySCGhui_kfxqQ

teegre
06-26-2013, 08:51 PM
And... Pittsburgh's two Lombardis since 2005 say "Hello" right back.

ebsteelers
06-26-2013, 08:54 PM
They even have the victim sending text messages making sure people knew who he was with

To paraphrase:

"You know who I'm with right?"

"NFL"

"Just so you know."

so basically this lloyd guy had to know something was gonna happen, why else would you be texting someone saying who you are with?


then again who the hell is up at 3:30 am texting each other

ebsteelers
06-26-2013, 09:04 PM
what if lloyd friend is nick francis lloyd?

Atlanta Dan
06-26-2013, 09:06 PM
then again who the hell is up at 3:30 am texting each other

Based on that question it is my wild guess you are past your early 20s:chuckle:

Buddha Bus
06-26-2013, 09:07 PM
You and I can be friends.

Let's not get crazy now. You still root for cheaters and cheaters never win.... unless the owner is friends with Roger Goodell. :chuckle:

ebsteelers
06-26-2013, 09:12 PM
Based on that question it is my wild guess you are past your early 20s:chuckle:

same age as Ike Taylors number

BIG 24..



but wasnt it a monday night this was going on... guess im better off then most 24 year olds as far as having a good job, so i dont see 3:30am during the week unless its to take a piss



is atl dan younger then me?

PATS16N0
06-26-2013, 09:18 PM
what if lloyd friend is nick francis lloyd?

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/203/685/conspiracy-keanu.jpg?1321901003

Bayz101
06-26-2013, 09:21 PM
same age as Ike Taylors number

BIG 24..



but wasnt it a monday night this was going on... guess im better off then most 24 year olds as far as having a good job, so i dont see 3:30am during the week unless its to take a piss



is atl dan younger then me?

Dan starting counting backwards each birthday. He's younger than you. :sofunny:

Fire Haley
06-26-2013, 09:21 PM
I can't blame the Pats because they picked a bad seed - "you can take the thug outta the hood, but you can't take the hood outta the thug"


bazillions in the bank, now lost, but you got that street cred going for ya

good luck with that sucker

Atlanta Dan
06-26-2013, 09:26 PM
is atl dan younger then me?

Hernandez also used to have a job but was on the equivalent of summer vacation on the night of the murder on Friday night, June 14

Atlanta Dan is way older than you (present at Three Rivers for the Immaculate Reception) and has not been awake at 3:30 a.m. for any reason other than insomnia since the Reagan Administration:chuckle:

Buddha Bus
06-26-2013, 09:31 PM
but wasnt it a monday night this was going on... guess im better off then most 24 year olds as far as having a good job, so i dont see 3:30am during the week unless its to take a piss

Atlanta Dan is way older than you (present at Three Rivers for the Immaculate Reception) and has not been awake at 3:30 a.m. for any reason other than insomnia since the Reagan Administration:chuckle:

You dirty elitist non-3:30 am risers! You make me sick. Well the last laugh is on you because I'll steal the good parking space! :flap:

teegre
06-26-2013, 09:39 PM
Being up 'til 3:30... in your twenties.

Waking up at 3:30... in your eighties.

Fire Haley
06-26-2013, 09:44 PM
quit garbaging up my threads you parasites


this is an investigation

How come no word on his "uncles" in the car with him?


they singin' and dancin'?


snitches - - jus lik I perdicted?

Bayz101
06-26-2013, 09:49 PM
quit garbaging up my threads you parasites


this is an investigation

How come no word on his "uncles" in the car with him?


they singin' and dancin'?


snitches - - jus lik I perdicted?

Special Agent Killer, Federal Bureau of Investigation: Criminal Investigative Division :chuckle:

teegre
06-26-2013, 10:05 PM
quit garbaging up my threads you parasites


this is an investigation

How come no word on his "uncles" in the car with him?


they singin' and dancin'?


snitches - - jus lik I perdicted?

Moo!!!

Fire Haley
06-26-2013, 10:32 PM
Us visionaries are rarely appreciated by the peasants in the fields

Atlanta Dan
06-26-2013, 10:36 PM
Well here we go - this a teachable moment:banging:

Hernandez's cautionary tale
NFL rookies would be wise to learn from the Aaron Hernandez case

It's tragic enough that he was just arraigned on murder charges and that another man is dead. It would be even worse if those first-year players entrenched in suburban Ohio didn't learn a few things from this steadily evolving controversy....

So being charged with murder is a "controversy"?

Even though we don't know much about the evidence in this investigation, perceptions already have started to form in the court of public opinion.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9426735/nfl-aaron-hernandez-cautionary-tale

I guess this guy did not watch the arraignment - we don't know quite a bit to support "perceptions" :noidea:

Moral of the story - don't kill anyone - thanks for that career advice

Fire Haley
06-26-2013, 10:37 PM
Special Agent Killer, Federal Bureau of Investigation: Criminal Investigative Division :chuckle:

It's our job as citizens of the republic to solve these crimes

I watched enough 48hrs to smell a snitch...I've been trained


I say again, where's his "uncles"? they singin'?

somebody gonna cop a plea, you watch

teegre
06-26-2013, 10:41 PM
I wonder moo if Aaron Hernandez moo will go to one of those cushy moo little summer camps, or if moo he'll go to a "rape in the dark" prison.

Atlanta Dan
06-26-2013, 10:53 PM
Us visionaries are rarely appreciated by the peasants in the fields

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4beP5nKtruo

Fire Haley
06-26-2013, 11:00 PM
power and money - street cred - above the law - that shit only works in the movies


they'll crack when jail-time is on the line


sumbitches gonna crack - if they haven't already

teegre
06-26-2013, 11:01 PM
I wonder how Hernandez's moood is right now, realizing he's going to be in with "real killers" for the duration of the trial... unless, of course, he is mooved to a cell by himself. Regardless, he's stuck in jail, when he thought that he'd be at home during the trial (watching moovies & playing video games & such).

It pleases me, because he thought that he was so smoooth... but now, he's butt hurt (figuratively & literally).

Fire Haley
06-26-2013, 11:07 PM
Moo!!!

of course, you meant Boo!


only cows say 'moo'

are you a herd animal?

or just another Ravens fan too?

ebsteelers
06-26-2013, 11:21 PM
I wonder how Hernandez's moood is right now, realizing he's going to be in with "real killers" for the duration of the trial... unless, of course, he is mooved to a cell by himself. Regardless, he's stuck in jail, when he thought that he'd be at home during the trial (watching moovies & playing video games & such).

It pleases me, because he thought that he was so smoooth... but now, he's butt hurt (figuratively & literally).

he's doing push ups as well speak... i mean guess he would still be considered a "real killer" if proven guilty

aaron welcome to the club, we some gangstas now..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0gNELugL4o

ebsteelers
06-26-2013, 11:23 PM
does anyone thing aaron will play in another NFL game?

my guess would be yes, the murder charge will be pleaded down to something lesser, same with all the gun charges, he'll be some suspend for some time, then in 2 years someone will give him a chance.

he'll come with some chest muscles looking like random, saying how he found God..

teegre
06-26-2013, 11:28 PM
of course, you meant Boo!


only cows say 'moo'

are you a herd animal?

or just another Ravens fan too?

Nope. I meant what I wrote: Moo.

Herd animal... stay in the field... I see where this is going; should I expect one of your racial slurs next???

Stop derailing YOUR thread with derision; at least out derailments are fun-spirited (and conversational).

Atlanta Dan
06-26-2013, 11:29 PM
does anyone thing aaron will play in another NFL game?

my guess would be yes, the murder charge will be pleaded down to something lesser, same with all the gun charges, he'll be some suspend for some time, then in 2 years someone will give him a chance.

he'll come with some chest muscles looking like random, saying how he found God..

IMO he is not back in play for several years if ever - Plax is back with the Steelers but he only shot himself - I do not think this DA, who apparently dreams of higher office, will plead this down to a low year sentence on the firearms charges

I am amused the Pats may not be able to get his $$ back

teegre
06-26-2013, 11:33 PM
does anyone thing aaron will play in another NFL game?

my guess would be yes, the murder charge will be pleaded down to something lesser, same with all the gun charges, he'll be some suspend for some time, then in 2 years someone will give him a chance.

he'll come with some chest muscles looking like random, saying how he found God..

"If" it gets plead down, then: Yes. Someone WILL give him a shot.

That said, he's going to prison for a long, long time. So, No.

teegre
06-26-2013, 11:34 PM
IMO he is not back in play for several years if ever - Plax is back with the Steelers but he only shot himself - I do not think this DA, who apparently dreams of higher office, will plead this down to a low year sentence on the firearms charges

I am amused the Pats may not be able to get his $$ back

^^That... especially the last line.

ebsteelers
06-26-2013, 11:37 PM
IMO he is not back in play for several years if ever - Plax is back with the Steelers but he only shot himself - I do not think this DA, who apparently dreams of higher office, will plead this down to a low year sentence on the firearms charges

I am amused the Pats may not be able to get his $$ back

oo plax...


these could be going more the way of rae carruth then ray lewis if you know what im saying..
speaking of which rae gets out in a few years, he'll have plenty of miles on his tires, any takers???


http://cdn1.tauntr.com/sites/default/files/PacmanBengals.jpg

ebsteelers
06-26-2013, 11:40 PM
"If" it gets plead down, then: Yes. Someone WILL give him a shot.

That said, he's going to prison for a long, long time. So, No.


I guess im giving him the innocent until proven guilty route, and add the fact it seems like our justice is a joke anyway... Celebrities weather we like it or not can get a way with a hell of a lot more than us... And money talks and bullshyt walks... so until hes in jail for 20 + years i wont believe it...
granted there is a hell of a lot of evidence against him, but there was a lot of evidence against ray and oj...
If the glove doesnt fit.....

"If there was no gun... the homie didnt get none" Cosigned by Michael Fee and Aaron Hernandez


In the Big Ben Case:

DA said "If the butthole aint tight.... something aint right!!!""#NOCHARGES

jacobo
06-27-2013, 12:18 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FONN-0uoTHI

still so damn weird

cubanstogie
06-27-2013, 12:31 AM
does anyone thing aaron will play in another NFL game?

my guess would be yes, the murder charge will be pleaded down to something lesser, same with all the gun charges, he'll be some suspend for some time, then in 2 years someone will give him a chance.

he'll come with some chest muscles looking like random, saying how he found God..

No way with his past. Pats lose on this 4th round gamble, they thought they got a steal and it has just back fired.

teegre
06-27-2013, 12:43 AM
ebsteelers,

Say what you want about Ray Lewis, at least his murders were "in the heat of the moment." And, OJ... well... he just snapped; I'd call that a fit of rage.

Now, to clarify, neither of those homicides is, by any means "acceptable"... and both should be in jail. But, neither of those murders were premeditated.

What makes Rae Carruth's murder so horrible, was the fact that it was planned out beforehand. Cold-blooded. Premeditated. A deeper level of evil.

And, Aaron Hernandez's case is much more like Carruth's (than Lewis' or OJ's). Ergo, Hernandez's lawyer will reeeeally have to pull the wool over people's eyes, because juries simply do not go easy on premeditated, cold-blooded, execution-style murder.

Fire Haley
06-27-2013, 12:45 AM
just call him Mr. Innocent

http://ll-media.tmz.com/2013/06/26/0626-tmz-gun-aaron-hernandez-3.jpg

teegre
06-27-2013, 01:03 AM
just call him Mr. Innocent

http://ll-media.tmz.com/2013/06/26/0626-tmz-gun-aaron-hernandez-3.jpg

It wouldn't surprise me if that was the actual gun... and that he took & texted this pic (to his friends) on the night of the murder.

On the radio, I heard that he bought a pack of watermelon gum, on the way to the shooting, and then spit it out in the rental car... and that the rental car maintenance person, while cleaning the gum, noticed the shell casings. Dumb & arrogant.

How do you leave she'll casings in the car!?!

Furthermore, who spits gum onto the floor of ANY car!?! That's just rude. Oh well... it's poetic justice that his arrogant behavior might have led to his biggest slip up.

Lastly, one "rumor" was that the same gum (same saliva) was found next to the body. This one is a rumor... but, again, it wouldn't surprise me. Dumb... & arrogant.

PATS16N0
06-27-2013, 01:06 AM
Nobody had any idea he was like this lol (fans)
This is like total shocker. All I've seen in the last few seasons is a serious competitor.

Just amazing.

What a thug-life dumb ass.

teegre
06-27-2013, 01:13 AM
Nobody had any idea he was like this lol (fans)
This is like total shocker. All I've seen in the last few seasons is a serious competitor.

Just amazing.

What a thug-life dumb ass.

I had no idea, either (and I know a lot about football). I have talked about how I think Hernandez is actually the better TE... and how I wanted Gavin Escobar, because Escobar plays like Hernandez.

I didn't see this coming. I had no clue that he was like... "this."

The premeditated part is what really sickens me. It's like he watched Scarface too many times... and decided to just, you know, "execute someone." The part of the movie (Scarface) that people forget is that a) he spent most of his life in jail, and b) he dies. Yep... Hernandez is the modern Tony Montana.

MACH1
06-27-2013, 01:38 AM
Lastly, one "rumor" was that the same gum (same saliva) was found next to the body.

DNA in the car and at the scene of the murder, he's toast.

OX1947
06-27-2013, 03:13 AM
Finger on the trigger? Looks like he still doesn't know how to carry a gun too.

OX1947
06-27-2013, 03:19 AM
ebsteelers,

Say what you want about Ray Lewis, at least his murders were "in the heat of the moment." And, OJ... well... he just snapped; I'd call that a fit of rage.

Now, to clarify, neither of those homicides is, by any means "acceptable"... and both should be in jail. But, neither of those murders were premeditated.

What makes Rae Carruth's murder so horrible, was the fact that it was planned out beforehand. Cold-blooded. Premeditated. A deeper level of evil.

And, Aaron Hernandez's case is much more like Carruth's (than Lewis' or OJ's). Ergo, Hernandez's lawyer will reeeeally have to pull the wool over people's eyes, because juries simply do not go easy on premeditated, cold-blooded, execution-style murder.

Hmmmm, yah, let me retort here. First of all, Ray Lewis didnt roll over on his friends who he saw whack a couple of dudes. OJ is a piece of shit scum bag who needs to rot in hell for eternity. Rae, the same. Premeditated or not, shouldnt make a difference.

What I want to know is, I heard at the beginning of this thing that this Lloyd guy was involved with a sister or sister in law or some crap. Maybe this Lloyd guy was beatin his woman, and Aaron took care of him. Can;t say I would have done the same thing, but I get it. Any man who smacked my sister is probably gonna be dead. I'm not playing internet tough guy either, anyone touches my family and there is a major problem.

Buddha Bus
06-27-2013, 04:19 AM
Us visionaries are rarely appreciated by the peasants in the fields

Or by pretty much anybody else for that matter.

Buddha Bus
06-27-2013, 04:22 AM
Special Agent Killer, Federal Bureau of Investigation: Criminal Investigative Division :chuckle:


His code name is "Lone Wolf".

http://yotamak.blogs.com/.a/6a00d8341c145e53ef0111688eafec970c-800wi

Buddha Bus
06-27-2013, 04:33 AM
does anyone thing aaron will play in another NFL game?

my guess would be yes, the murder charge will be pleaded down to something lesser, same with all the gun charges, he'll be some suspend for some time, then in 2 years someone will give him a chance.

he'll come with some chest muscles looking like random, saying how he found God..


I don't know if he'll actually get any takers, but he's already got a plan to get noticed by some teams. He'll be showing up at training camps across the league with a sound determination and a message.


http://www.thesharkguys.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/juice.jpg

teegre
06-27-2013, 08:09 AM
Hmmmm, yah, let me retort here. First of all, Ray Lewis didnt roll over on his friends who he saw whack a couple of dudes. OJ is a piece of shit scum bag who needs to rot in hell for eternity. Rae, the same. Premeditated or not, shouldnt make a difference.

What I want to know is, I heard at the beginning of this thing that this Lloyd guy was involved with a sister or sister in law or some crap. Maybe this Lloyd guy was beatin his woman, and Aaron took care of him. Can;t say I would have done the same thing, but I get it. Any man who smacked my sister is probably gonna be dead. I'm not playing internet tough guy either, anyone touches my family and there is a major problem.

We all agree: Ray Lewis & OJ should indeed rot in hell. (Maybe I wasn't clear on that.)

But, there is a difference in the level of evilness between murders. Here is one example: a person who murders another adult VS. a person who murders a child. You can see a difference... right???

Likewise, I'm saying that what Rae Carruth & Aaron Hernandez did was more sinister (than what Ray did), because it was premeditated. It is the difference between getting into an argument & it escalating into someone getting stabbed VS. planning out a murder, taking a guy out for drinks, driving him out to a secluded spot, & then having him kneel down so that you can shoot him in the face. The second crime is far worse; both murderers deserve to rot, but one deserves to rot a little more.

NOTE: Odin was dating Aaron's fiancé's sister.

Where did you hear that Odin was beating her??? Really... is this true?... because, I have not heard that.

Regardless, instead of calling the authorities, you would execute (pun intended) a murder???

teegre
06-27-2013, 08:17 AM
A couple of clarifications (or newly heard facts) on the GUM post:

It was a rare flavor called "blue cotton candy." (not watermelon)

Aaron had purchased a pack of that rare flavor gum earlier in the evening.

The police saw the gum on a security camera, and dug it out of the trash. (I have now heard two different ways that the gum was discovered: this way, and that the car rental guy found it near the shell casings.) Regardless, the gum was found... and taken in for analysis.

The gum found in the car (if the saliva matches), proves that Aaron was indeed in the car.

I haven't heard anything more about gum being found next to the body. Ergo, that might have been "embellishment" by the sports-radio host that I was listening to (as I stated earlier: I called it a "rumor").

As Mach said: he is toast.

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 08:58 AM
ebsteelers,

Say what you want about Ray Lewis, at least his murders were "in the heat of the moment." And, OJ... well... he just snapped; I'd call that a fit of rage.

Now, to clarify, neither of those homicides is, by any means "acceptable"... and both should be in jail. But, neither of those murders were premeditated.

What makes Rae Carruth's murder so horrible, was the fact that it was planned out beforehand. Cold-blooded. Premeditated. A deeper level of evil.

And, Aaron Hernandez's case is much more like Carruth's (than Lewis' or OJ's). Ergo, Hernandez's lawyer will reeeeally have to pull the wool over people's eyes, because juries simply do not go easy on premeditated, cold-blooded, execution-style murder.

good post, well said

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 09:00 AM
I had no idea, either (and I know a lot about football). I have talked about how I think Hernandez is actually the better TE... and how I wanted Gavin Escobar, because Escobar plays like Hernandez. I didn't see this coming. I had no clue that he was like... "this."

The premeditated part is what really sickens me. It's like he watched Scarface too many times... and decided to just, you know, "execute someone." The part of the movie (Scarface) that people forget is that a) he spent most of his life in jail, and b) he dies. Yep... Hernandez is the modern Tony Montana.

O REALLY?

tell us how much you know about football?

http://i.qkme.me/3qdez9.jpg



http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/042/151/jnjyxa31o8_thats_racist_animated1.gif



lol are you comparing them cause of their spanish last names? lol

kind of like comparing decker and welker and danny boy in ne now.






just messing with ya.. but on the radio they do a thing called thats racist... and comparing those 2 made me think of it

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 09:03 AM
Hmmmm, yah, let me retort here. First of all, Ray Lewis didnt roll over on his friends who he saw whack a couple of dudes. OJ is a piece of shit scum bag who needs to rot in hell for eternity. Rae, the same. Premeditated or not, shouldnt make a difference.

What I want to know is, I heard at the beginning of this thing that this Lloyd guy was involved with a sister or sister in law or some crap. Maybe this Lloyd guy was beatin his woman, and Aaron took care of him. Can;t say I would have done the same thing, but I get it. Any man who smacked my sister is probably gonna be dead. I'm not playing internet tough guy either, anyone touches my family and there is a major problem.

if this was a hyptheical scenario, and it was pre-mediated because lloyd was smacking around Hernandez finces' sister, and Aaron took matters into his own hands, well then the lawyers would probably be able to make some kind of case for him..



Teegree,
Call the cops? man that aint street justice, we SOME GANGSTASS!!!

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 09:06 AM
A couple of clarifications (or newly heard facts) on the GUM post:

It was a rare flavor called "blue cotton candy." (not watermelon)

Aaron had purchased a pack of that rare flavor gum earlier in the evening.

The police saw the gum on a security camera, and dug it out of the trash. (I have now heard two different ways that the gum was discovered: this way, and that the car rental guy found it near the shell casings.) Regardless, the gum was found... and taken in for analysis.

The gum found in the car (if the saliva matches), proves that Aaron was indeed in the car.

I haven't heard anything more about gum being found next to the body. Ergo, that might have been "embellishment" by the sports-radio host that I was listening to (as I stated earlier: I called it a "rumor").

As Mach said: he is toast.


BTW QUAD POST!!!!!!


but if you listen to enough sports radio, they'll say took selfies with lloyds body and then twitted them out... then chew big red, said fuck you to the camera, and then spit it out...


where did you hear the flavor of gum? gettinginto some serious detail, didnt know they had rare types of gum

if the gum aint watermelon, something aint gellon!!!#FreeAaron#yolo#ionlychewwatermelongum#se lfies

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 09:11 AM
just call him Mr. Innocent

http://ll-media.tmz.com/2013/06/26/0626-tmz-gun-aaron-hernandez-3.jpg

well this picture is from 09, where did they dig it up from anyway?

but what a dumb picture to take of yourself ever


taking over 5 posts in a row

Stanley
06-27-2013, 09:39 AM
We all agree: Ray Lewis & OJ should indeed rot in hell. (Maybe I wasn't clear on that.)

But, there is a difference in the level of evilness between murders. Here is one example: a person who murders another adult VS. a person who murders a child. You can see a difference... right???

Likewise, I'm saying that what Rae Carruth & Aaron Hernandez did was more sinister (than what Ray did), because it was premeditated. It is the difference between getting into an argument & it escalating into someone getting stabbed VS. planning out a murder, taking a guy out for drinks, driving him out to a secluded spot, & then having him kneel down so that you can shoot him in the face. The second crime is far worse; both murderers deserve to rot, but one deserves to rot a little more.

NOTE: Odin was dating Aaron's fiancé's sister.

Where did you hear that Odin was beating her??? Really... is this true?... because, I have not heard that.

Regardless, instead of calling the authorities, you would execute (pun intended) a murder???

I agree in principle with your premise.
However, O.J. Simpson's murder was premeditated.
:wave:

Stanley
06-27-2013, 09:42 AM
well this picture is from 09, where did they dig it up from anyway?

but what a dumb picture to take of yourself ever


taking over 5 posts in a row

Remember the picture of James Harrison holding two guns?
:noidea:

teegre
06-27-2013, 10:34 AM
ebsteelers,

1. True... it was unintentionally racist. That said, if I prefer my tight ends to be of Asian decent, isn't that the opposite of racist?

What?... not Asian... so... in that case, it's not racist at all... nice.

2. If I had more street cred (i.e. if I was more of a "thugg"), I'd be playing RB. Alas, I don't and I don't.

3. Watermelon is it!!! Now & Laters, Jolly Ranchers, gum... even Gatorade.

OX1947
06-27-2013, 10:39 AM
We all agree: Ray Lewis & OJ should indeed rot in hell. (Maybe I wasn't clear on that.)

But, there is a difference in the level of evilness between murders. Here is one example: a person who murders another adult VS. a person who murders a child. You can see a difference... right???

Likewise, I'm saying that what Rae Carruth & Aaron Hernandez did was more sinister (than what Ray did), because it was premeditated. It is the difference between getting into an argument & it escalating into someone getting stabbed VS. planning out a murder, taking a guy out for drinks, driving him out to a secluded spot, & then having him kneel down so that you can shoot him in the face. The second crime is far worse; both murderers deserve to rot, but one deserves to rot a little more.

NOTE: Odin was dating Aaron's fiancé's sister.

Where did you hear that Odin was beating her??? Really... is this true?... because, I have not heard that.

Regardless, instead of calling the authorities, you would execute (pun intended) a murder???

I dont think Ray Lewis should rot. I think he didnt rat on his buddies who he saw kill a couple of dudes. And those dudes from what I read were not entirely nice in the first place. Was it right, no, do I get it, yes.

MACH1
06-27-2013, 10:40 AM
Remember the picture of James Harrison holding two guns?
:noidea:

Seriously, if this is the one your talking about theres a huge difference between showing off for your friends and a photo shoot for an article.

http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2011/07/14/Tirade-tells-more-about-Harrison-than-Goodell-K27MD6E-x-large.jpg

teegre
06-27-2013, 10:41 AM
I agree in principle with your premise.
However, O.J. Simpson's murder was premeditated.
:wave:

You are correct.

That said, I still feel that OJ was still only 75% premeditated, and 25% him going crazy.

But, again, you are correct: it was indeed premeditated.

Levels of murder/depths of hell:
1. Ray Lewis
2. OJ
3. Rae Carruth, Aaron Hernandez

teegre
06-27-2013, 10:44 AM
I dont think Ray Lewis should rot. I think he didnt rat on his buddies who he saw kill a couple of dudes. And those dudes from what I read were not entirely nice in the first place. Was it right, no, do I get it, yes.

Assuminh that that's the case, then like I said, Ray is on a lower level of sinister.

That said, I still feel that Ray did some of the stabbing, and his buddies took the entire rap.

Regardless, see my post to Stanley (on tiers of murder/levels of evil).

OX1947
06-27-2013, 10:53 AM
Assuminh that that's the case, then like I said, Ray is on a lower level of sinister.

That said, I still feel that Ray did some of the stabbing, and his buddies took the entire rap.

Regardless, see my post to Stanley (on tiers of murder/levels of evil).

I think if Ray had done some of the stabbing, they would have been able to prove it. Even still, we do not know what happen, maybe those guys came after them to hurt them and they were defending themselves. We just dont know.

teegre
06-27-2013, 11:09 AM
Even if Ray Lewis pulled out a knife & stabbed until he was covered in blood (let's just assume that it's somewhere in between that and him merely watching)... what Ray Lewis did was less dreadful that what Rae Carruth did.

Ray = heat of the moment
Rae = premeditated

And, my point is that Aaron is more like Rae than Ray.

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 11:19 AM
Seriously, if this is the one your talking about theres a huge difference between showing off for your friends and a photo shoot for an article.

http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2011/07/14/Tirade-tells-more-about-Harrison-than-Goodell-K27MD6E-x-large.jpg

james look like one

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/3188882688/hF7785018/

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 11:22 AM
ebsteelers,

1. True... it was unintentionally racist. That said, if I prefer my tight ends to be of Asian decent, isn't that the opposite of racist?

What?... not Asian... so... in that case, it's not racist at all... nice. 2. If I had more street cred (i.e. if I was more of a "thugg"), I'd be playing RB. Alas, I don't and I don't.

3. Watermelon is it!!! Now & Laters, Jolly Ranchers, gum... even Gatorade.

say what my southern cal brother?
whose asian ? escobar, or hernandez or both ?


2) Im a gangsta played Cornerback in college for for 4 years.. #swagnation


3) lol watermelon sure is delicious, nothing bette than on a hot summer day

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 11:24 AM
Assuminh that that's the case, then like I said, Ray is on a lower level of sinister.

That said, I still feel that Ray did some of the stabbing, and his buddies took the entire rap.

Regardless, see my post to Stanley (on tiers of murder/levels of evil).

Ray found God hes good in my book..




Rae might have some wheel on his tires come 2018, if he can catch and win some games wellll....

if the juice can still run bring em on, 2000 yards #iftheglovedoesntfit



aaron well he might not get out in my life time, so he might just be a lost cause

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 11:28 AM
http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/9428173/aaron-hernandez-case-aaron-hernandez-due-back-court-thursday-bail-review-hearing

ATTLEBORO, Mass. -- Aaron Hernandez will be back in court for a bail review hearing Thursday, a day after the former New England Patriots tight end was charged with murder.

A spokesman for the Bristol County sheriff says the 23-year-old Hernandez will be in a Fall River court Thursday afternoon.



A judge ordered Hernandez held without bail Wednesday on a charge of first-degree murder and five weapons counts. Hernandez is accused in what a prosecutor called the execution-style shooting of 27-year-old Odin Lloyd, a friend and semipro football player. Prosecutors say Hernandez was upset that Lloyd had talked to certain people at a nightclub.



Earlier Thursday, a prosecutor confirmed that the arrest of a Connecticut man is linked to the Hernandez investigation.

New Britain State's Attorney Brian Preleski says 27-year-old Carlos Ortiz was charged as a fugitive from justice and has waived extradition to Massachusetts. Prison records show Ortiz is being held on $1.5 million bail at a Hartford jail.

Preleski and other officials declined to release the allegations against Ortiz, who is scheduled to return to court on July 23.

Ortiz was arrested Wednesday in Hernandez's hometown of Bristol, Conn. Preleski says the arrest came as prosecutors and Bristol police were helping Massachusetts authorities in the investigation.

Police also conducted a search Wednesday night of a Bristol home linked to Hernandez, WFSB-TV in Hartford reported.

According to WFSB-TV, police from Massachusetts and Connecticut went through the house, owned by Hernandez's uncle, and its garage. Police were seen taking photos of a black folder that was removed from the house, according to the TV station.

Hernandez's lawyer called the case against his client circumstantial.

Hernandez was arrested Wednesday morning at approximately 8:45 a.m. and cut by the Patriots less than two hours later. The team said in a statement that releasing Hernandez was "simply the right thing to do."

The Patriots drafted Hernandez out of the University of Florida as a fourth-round pick in 2010 and signed him last summer to a five-year contract worth $40 million.

Since the investigation surrounding Hernandez's involvement in Lloyd's death began last week, multiple media outlets have reported accounts of the star tight end's off-field issues.

The Boston Globe reported that Hernandez lost his temper and threatened teammate Wes Welker during an argument in the team's weight room shortly after he was drafted.

Former Patriots offensive lineman Matt Light told the Dayton Daily News that he "never believed in" Hernandez.

"I never talk about other guys, but I will say I have never embraced -- never believed in -- anything Aaron Hernandez stood for," Light told the newspaper.

Light, who helped the Patriots win three Super Bowls during his 11-year career, was a teammate of Hernandez's for two seasons.

Despite his successful collegiate career, Hernandez slipped to the fourth round in the 2010 draft as a result of widely reported character issues.

During the draft, one team said it wouldn't take Hernandez under any circumstances. Afterward, Hernandez said he had failed a drug test in college -- reportedly for marijuana -- and was up front with teams about it.

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 11:31 AM
does anyone think aaron gets bail today?

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 11:33 AM
reading the above article.. they throw these half ass quotes in by matt light... what shyt journalism that is.

how about you follow up with some details of why he said that..


"I never talk about other guys, but I will say I have never embraced -- never believed in -- anything Aaron Hernandez stood for,"



You never believed in him as far as what? a football player? a person? humanitarian?


but you believe in dancing gronk? or hes still on the team so your not gonna talk trash about someone?
and just wait till there not on the team.
I cant stand the talking junk about guys when there off the team, where its mike wallace, or aaron hernandez, or if its joe blow... if your not gonna say it while he is on the team, then shut your bitch ass up and stay quiet because you of addressed it with them while they are on team

lousy journalism at best,

teegre
06-27-2013, 11:43 AM
say what my southern cal brother?
whose asian ? escobar, or hernandez or both ?


2) Im a gangsta played Cornerback in college for for 4 years.. #swagnation


3) lol watermelon sure is delicious, nothing bette than on a hot summer day

1. Both... obviously.

2. You's a thugg!!!

3. So true.

BAIL
I thought that the judge said yesterday that there'd be no bail. I must have misheard.

Regardless, I think that he gets bail. If OJ got bail (and OJ was a maaajor flight risk), then Hernandez should get bail. I'd like fit him not to, but it seems like everyone gets bail these days.

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 11:47 AM
1. Both... obviously.

2. You's a thugg!!!

3. So true.

BAIL
I thought that the judge said yesterday that there'd be no bail. I must have misheard.

Regardless, I think that he gets bail. If OJ got bail (and OJ was a maaajor flight risk), then Hernandez should get bail. I'd like fit him not to, but it seems like everyone gets bail these days.

I thought so also, but I guess they can review it again today or something.

I though to not get bail you have to be a flight risk? which he clearly isnt,(he barely left his house the past 6 days, add on he has a kid, if the lawyer can spin that)
bail might be 5 million but cant see him not getting it, depending on what more is said

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 11:49 AM
another stupid ass article.,, being eyed based off of what?




Jailed football star Aaron Hernandez is being eyed for a 2012 double homicide, as prosecutors charge him in last week’s slaying of a friend — zeroing in on a piece of gum discarded at the scene, according to broadcast reports today.

Also this morning, the Hartford Courant reported that Carlos Ortiz, who lives in Hernandez’s hometown of Bristol, Conn., was arrested in connection to the football star’s murder probe.

The Pro Bowl tight end was picked up yesterday and charged with the slaying 27-year-old Odin Lloyd last week in North Attleboro, Mass.

The night before Lloyd’s murder, Hernandez frantically texted an unidentified Connecticut friend to rush to him in Massachusetts, prosecutors said.

Two other men were allegedly with Hernandez during Lloyd’s killing. But prosecutors didn’t mention who these men were, or if they had been arrested, when Hernandez was arraigned yesterday afternoon.

Hernandez could be facing new problems stemming from the murder of two Boston men.

HERNANDEZ ACCUSED OF MURDERING ACQUAINTANCE

SERBY: HERNANDEZ' MURDER CHARGE SHOWS DARK SIDE OF NFL

Safiro Furtado and Daniel Abreu, who worked at nearby cleaning company in Boston’s Dorchester neighborhood, had just left a local bar on July 16, 2012. That’s when a gray or silver SUV with Rhode Island plates rolled up to the victims’ car and opened fire.

Investigators now want to know if Hernandez has any connection to that 2 a.m. double-slaying at the corner of Shawmut Avenue and Herald Street, Boston Fox affiliate WFXT-TV reported today.

No arrests have been made in that double homicide.

Hernandez was busted yesterday morning and charged with murder and five firearms offenses tied to Lloyd’s June 17 murder.

Before Hernandez picked up Lloyd, the Pro Bowl tight end stopped at gas station where he also picked up cigarette rolling paper and blue cotton candy-flavored Bubblicious bubble gum, prosecutors said.

When Hernandez dropped off a rental car allegedly used in the murder, he offered the attendant a piece of blue bubble gum, according to the DA.

The attendant found a .45-caliber shell casing and a piece of chewed blue bubble gum inside the car, authorities said.

Odin was killed by bullets fired from a .45-caliber gun.

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 11:50 AM
1. Both... obviously.

2. You's a thugg!!!

3. So true. BAIL
I thought that the judge said yesterday that there'd be no bail. I must have misheard.

Regardless, I think that he gets bail. If OJ got bail (and OJ was a maaajor flight risk), then Hernandez should get bail. I'd like fit him not to, but it seems like everyone gets bail these days.

who knew a 50 cent piece of gum, is gonna be the final touch to put him in jail..

2 pieces in a matter of a few minutes...


ALWAYS SWALLOW YOUR GUM..

Ladies of Steeler Fever this might be good advice, always swallow your mans fun stash, unless you wanna get em locked up.

teegre
06-27-2013, 11:57 AM
who knew a 50 cent piece of gum, is gonna be the final touch to put him in jail..

2 pieces in a matter of a few minutes...


ALWAYS SWALLOW YOUR GUM..

Ladies of Steeler Fever this might be good advice, always swallow your mans fun stash, unless you wanna get em locked up.

1. The callous act of spitting one's gum on the floor of a rental car, will create a poetic end to this tale. "Someone else will clean up my mess" turned into "Someone else will find some evidence."

2. Spitting gum on the body, like a gangster in a movie, once again will create a poetic ending to all of this. "I spit on your grave" turned into "I spit evidence onto you."

3. Two pieces in a matter of minutes... done that. As soon as the flavor is gone, I move on to the next piece.

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 12:03 PM
1. The callous act of spitting one's gum on the floor of a rental car, will create a poetic end to this tale. "Someone else will clean up my mess" turned into "Someone else will find some evidence."

2. Spitting gum on the body, like a gangster in a movie, once again will create a poetic ending to all of this. "I spit on your grave" turned into "I spit evidence onto you."

3. Two pieces in a matter of minutes... done that. As soon as the flavor is gone, I move on to the next piece.

i bet you think twice before you spit that gum out next time!!!!

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 12:06 PM
From reading the articles a residental neighborhood, they sure as hell have a lot of cameras out there... kind of strange, he was basically monitored from the moment he left his house.. (where were all these cameras in downtown boston during the bombings?) seems like they had to rely more on public pictures then cameras from buildings/.


another thing that bit him in the ass, (survillence system put into protect you, ends up fucking you)...

Vis
06-27-2013, 12:06 PM
The Gum Killer. New HBO Original Movie, tonight at 8. Followed at 10 by Hard Knocks.

JonM229
06-27-2013, 12:08 PM
"I'm here to execute people and spit out bubblegum" -Aaron Hernandez

teegre
06-27-2013, 12:18 PM
"I'm here to execute people and spit out bubblegum" -Aaron Hernandez

"...and I'm all out of bubblegum."

teegre
06-27-2013, 12:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp_K8prLfso

Lokki
06-27-2013, 12:19 PM
Remember the picture of James Harrison holding two guns?
:noidea:

Harrison is going to be wanted next. Here he is posing with one of his victims. I think he was just helping Ray Ray collect some antler velvet.

http://sportsbycolin.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/james-harrison-deer-hunting-1.jpg

Atlanta Dan
06-27-2013, 12:38 PM
I dont think Ray Lewis should rot. I think he didnt rat on his buddies who he saw kill a couple of dudes.

Ray flipped on his buddies

One day after he escaped murder and assault charges, Ray Lewis testified today that a co-defendant showed him how he repeatedly stabbed a man during a fatal street brawl after the Super Bowl.

Lewis said he talked to Joseph Sweeting when they returned to a hotel following the Jan. 31fight outside an Atlanta nightclub that left two men stabbed to death.

Sweeting said, ''Every time they hit me, I hit them,'' Lewis testified, showing how Sweeting brandished a knife between his fingers and told him how he struck the victim.

Lewis, a Baltimore Ravens linebacker, also said he saw the other co-defendant, Reginald Oakley, and another member of Lewis's group, Carlos Stafford, fighting with one of the victims, Jacinth Baker.

''That was a frantic fight,'' Lewis said.

Murder and assault charges against Lewis were dropped Monday after he pleaded guilty to misdemeanor obstruction of justice and agreed to testify about what he saw during the brawl.

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/06/07/sports/pro-football-lewis-says-defendant-described-stabbing.html

teegre
06-27-2013, 12:40 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkH4UgIJRmA

Now we know why Aaron Hernandez spit the gum out.

PATS16N0
06-27-2013, 12:43 PM
Holy freaking shit

http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing

BOSTON (MyFoxBoston.com) -- FOX 25 has learned exclusively that investigators are looking into Aaron Hernandez as a possible suspect in a double murder that happened on July 16, 2012 in downtown Boston.

According to the Boston Police blog from that date, officers responded to the intersection of Shawmut Avenue and Herald Street just after 2 a.m. When they arrived, they found three people had been shot, two fatally, as they sat in a car at a traffic light.

The men were identified as Safiro Furtado and Daniel Abreu. The FOX 25 source said the men, who worked at a cleaning company in Dorchester, had just left a bar in the area.

Furtado and Abreu were sitting in the front seat of the vehicle when witnesses said the occupants of a gray or silver SUV with Rhode Island plates opened fire on it. The surviving victim was in the back seat. Investigators believed two others in the car fled the scene.

The source said that investigators were looking into Aaron Hernandez's connection to the killing.

On Wednesday, Hernandez was charged with murder in the death of 27-year-old Odin Lloyd, of Dorchester.

An investigation is ongoing.

Read more: http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/227...#ixzz2XQeYLbvt

This is going way beyond a black eye for the Patriots organization. If this turns out to be true, the entire NFL is going to take the hit for this guy.
This is verging on serial killer, and it's being theorized that covering up this double murder may have been the real motive for the latest execution.

Holy freaking shit!

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 12:44 PM
Ray flipped on his buddies

One day after he escaped murder and assault charges, Ray Lewis testified today that a co-defendant showed him how he repeatedly stabbed a man during a fatal street brawl after the Super Bowl.

Lewis said he talked to Joseph Sweeting when they returned to a hotel following the Jan. 31fight outside an Atlanta nightclub that left two men stabbed to death.

Sweeting said, ''Every time they hit me, I hit them,'' Lewis testified, showing how Sweeting brandished a knife between his fingers and told him how he struck the victim.

Lewis, a Baltimore Ravens linebacker, also said he saw the other co-defendant, Reginald Oakley, and another member of Lewis's group, Carlos Stafford, fighting with one of the victims, Jacinth Baker.

''That was a frantic fight,'' Lewis said.

Murder and assault charges against Lewis were dropped Monday after he pleaded guilty to misdemeanor obstruction of justice and agreed to testify about what he saw during the brawl.

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/06/07/sports/pro-football-lewis-says-defendant-described-stabbing.html

yet no one every calls ray ray a snitch or anything of that nature... i dont think ray did it, but ray did what he had to do for his family

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 12:46 PM
Holy freaking shit

http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing



This is going way beyond a black eye for the Patriots organization. If this turns out to be true, the entire NFL is going to take the hit for this guy.
This is verging on serial killer, and it's being theorized that covering up this double murder may have been the real motive for the latest execution.

Holy freaking shit!

yeah, i posted this early seems like it started from a problem at a club.


plus shooting a guy in the face, man thats 4 people.. that is serial killer material

Atlanta Dan
06-27-2013, 12:48 PM
another stupid ass article.,, being eyed based off of what?...

Jailed football star Aaron Hernandez is being eyed for a 2012 double homicide, as prosecutors charge him in last week’s slaying of a friend — zeroing in on a piece of gum discarded at the scene, according to broadcast reports today.

Boston Globe article here

Former New England Patriots player Aaron Hernandez, already facing charges in a murder last week in North Attleborough, is also being investigated in connection with a 2012 double murder in Boston, according to two law enforcement officials briefed on the investigation.

Investigators believe a fight broke out at Cure, a club in the South End, between two men and a group that included Hernandez.

The two men, Daniel Abreu and Safiro Furtado, friends who grew up in Cape Verde, left the club with three other men in a BMW sedan.

Abreu, who was driving, stopped at a traffic light on Shawmut Avenue, about to make a left onto Herald Street, when a silver or gray SUV with Rhode Island license plates pulled alongside the sedan. Someone from the SUV opened fire, killing Abreu, 29, and Furtado, 28

The men who were with them survived the attack and the killings were left unsolved.

The officials said investigators now believe that Odin Lloyd, the man Hernandez is charged with killing in a North Attleboro industrial park June 17, may have had information about Hernandez’s role in the double slaying.

“The motive might have been that the victim knew [Hernandez] might have been involved,” one of the officials said.

The new revelations raised the specter that Hernandez might have been playing football games last season with the Patriots after he had participated in a double murder.:jawdrop:

Hernandez pleaded not guilty Wednesday to murder and firearms charges in Attleboro District Court in the killing of Lloyd, who was shot to death June 17 in an industrial park near Hernandez’s North Attleborough home. In other news today, a second man connected to the Lloyd murder was identified: Carlos Ortiz, a 27-year-old man who lives in Bristol, Conn., Hernandez’s hometown.

The attack in Boston occurred just after 2 a.m. on July 16, 2012. Police said the shooter fired numerous times into the car, striking Abreu and Furtado, who was in the passenger seat.

One of the back-seat passengers was shot three times in the arm but survived. He was rushed to Tufts Medical Center and was treated and released. The other two occupants fled the car and were unharmed.

The two men’s deaths at the time were a mystery to their families and police, who said they had no ties to criminal activity.

Furtado was a tour guide on the idyllic island of Boa Vista in Cape Verde, where he led a mostly European clientele on jaunts along silky sand dunes, whispering palm trees, and world-class beaches, his family said. He arrived in Dorchester five months before he was killed to reconnect with his mother and sister, whom he had not seen in a decade.

Abreu grew up in Cape Verde, where he worked as a police officer there. He arrived in Dorchester around 2008 and became friends with Furtado. The two men were working together for a cleaning company based on Hamilton Street in Dorchester at the time of their deaths.

Authorities never found the SUV tied to the shooting.

http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/06/27/former-patriots-player-aaron-hernandez-probed-two-more-murders-law-enforcement-officials-say/0GPNwDdsU4nguqnB2LADYM/story.html

So much for the gag order upon law enforcement officials involved in the case that the prosecutors agreed to yesterday:chuckle:

teegre
06-27-2013, 12:48 PM
Holy freaking shit


This is verging on serial killer, and it's being theorized that covering up this double murder may have been the real motive for the latest execution.

Holy freaking shit!

Technically, a mass murderer... but, yeah, not getting any better.

So, if this is correct, he executed Odin... and "since he still had bullets left", he shot two other people.

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 12:52 PM
Holy freaking shit

http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing



This is going way beyond a black eye for the Patriots organization. If this turns out to be true, the entire NFL is going to take the hit for this guy.
This is verging on serial killer, and it's being theorized that covering up this double murder may have been the real motive for the latest execution.

Holy freaking shit!

not following here?

PATS16N0
06-27-2013, 12:52 PM
Technically, a mass murderer... but, yeah, not getting any better.

So, if this is correct, he executed Odin... and "since he still had bullets left", he shot two other people.

Think you have it backwards. He may have (allegedly) shot two people last year, and Odin knew about it, and when Hernandez saw him talking to certain people at a club, decided he had to take him out.

That would explain the "I can't trust anyone" rants before the murder, which seemed nonsensical before. He might have meant he couldn't trust Lloyd to keep his double-homocide from a year ago secret. The murder he was charged with yesterday was him trying to cover up a double murder from last summer.

In other words, Hernandez might have killed enough people to warrant getting a serial killer nick name.

The Boston Executioner, for example.

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 12:53 PM
Boston Globe article here

Former New England Patriots player Aaron Hernandez, already facing charges in a murder last week in North Attleborough, is also being investigated in connection with a 2012 double murder in Boston, according to two law enforcement officials briefed on the investigation.

Investigators believe a fight broke out at Cure, a club in the South End, between two men and a group that included Hernandez.

The two men, Daniel Abreu and Safiro Furtado, friends who grew up in Cape Verde, left the club with three other men in a BMW sedan.

Abreu, who was driving, stopped at a traffic light on Shawmut Avenue, about to make a left onto Herald Street, when a silver or gray SUV with Rhode Island license plates pulled alongside the sedan. Someone from the SUV opened fire, killing Abreu, 29, and Furtado, 28

The men who were with them survived the attack and the killings were left unsolved.

The officials said investigators now believe that Odin Lloyd, the man Hernandez is charged with killing in a North Attleboro industrial park June 17, may have had information about Hernandez’s role in the double slaying.

“The motive might have been that the victim knew [Hernandez] might have been involved,” one of the officials said.

The new revelations raised the specter that Hernandez might have been playing football games last season with the Patriots after he had participated in a double murder.:jawdrop:

Hernandez pleaded not guilty Wednesday to murder and firearms charges in Attleboro District Court in the killing of Lloyd, who was shot to death June 17 in an industrial park near Hernandez’s North Attleborough home. In other news today, a second man connected to the Lloyd murder was identified: Carlos Ortiz, a 27-year-old man who lives in Bristol, Conn., Hernandez’s hometown.

The attack in Boston occurred just after 2 a.m. on July 16, 2012. Police said the shooter fired numerous times into the car, striking Abreu and Furtado, who was in the passenger seat.

One of the back-seat passengers was shot three times in the arm but survived. He was rushed to Tufts Medical Center and was treated and released. The other two occupants fled the car and were unharmed.

The two men’s deaths at the time were a mystery to their families and police, who said they had no ties to criminal activity.

Furtado was a tour guide on the idyllic island of Boa Vista in Cape Verde, where he led a mostly European clientele on jaunts along silky sand dunes, whispering palm trees, and world-class beaches, his family said. He arrived in Dorchester five months before he was killed to reconnect with his mother and sister, whom he had not seen in a decade.

Abreu grew up in Cape Verde, where he worked as a police officer there. He arrived in Dorchester around 2008 and became friends with Furtado. The two men were working together for a cleaning company based on Hamilton Street in Dorchester at the time of their deaths.

Authorities never found the SUV tied to the shooting.

http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/06/27/former-patriots-player-aaron-hernandez-probed-two-more-murders-law-enforcement-officials-say/0GPNwDdsU4nguqnB2LADYM/story.html

So much for the gag order upon law enforcement officials involved in the case that the prosecutors agreed to yesterday:chuckle:

kind of like the boston bomber, it took them for him to bomb the marthon for them to find out he played a part in that 3 homcide



he might of signed a 40 million dollar deal after killing these 2 people yikes



either way its a far stretch... and now the prosecutor would be changing his story from it was because of a fight on june 14th to, lloyd knew about a double murder

Atlanta Dan
06-27-2013, 12:54 PM
Holy freaking shit

http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing

This is going way beyond a black eye for the Patriots organization. If this turns out to be true, the entire NFL is going to take the hit for this guy.

If the stories are true that a number of teams stayed away from Hernandez because of his Gator days but that Belichick decided to take a chance on a guy whom Matt Light now claims was a known punk, I think the bulls eye remains on the Pats here

But NFL players are gladiators and people should have no illusions you would want to do business with or socialize with a lot of these guys - nobody seems to be carrying a grudge against the Carolina Panthers for Carruth and I doubt the Pats take a long term hit here

JonM229
06-27-2013, 12:55 PM
In other words, Hernandez might have killed enough people to warrant getting a serial killer nick name.

The Boston Executioner, for example.

The New England Patriots Executioner

Atlanta Dan
06-27-2013, 12:55 PM
kind of like the boston bomber, it took them for him to bomb the marthon for them to find out he played a part in that 3 homcide

I had the same thought about the Boston bomber

PATS16N0
06-27-2013, 12:59 PM
I bet Belichick lets Tebow do the Tebow now.
Gonna' be a redemption story this year. The Patriots are findiing God after being mislead by a sociopath. Ring #4 incoming.

teegre
06-27-2013, 01:00 PM
Think you have it backwards. He may have (allegedly) shot two people last year, and Odin knew about it, and when Hernandez saw him talking to certain people at a club, decided he had to take him out.

That would explain the "I can't trust anyone" rants before the murder, which seemed nonsensical before. He might have meant he couldn't trust Lloyd to keep his double-homocide from a year ago secret. The murder he was charged with yesterday was him trying to cover up a double murder from last summer.

In other words, Hernandez might have killed enough people to warrant getting a serial killer nick name.

The Boston Executioner, for example.

Oh... oh crap... holy crap.

(Pardon my misreading that other post; I was preoccupied while reading.)

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 01:11 PM
Oh... oh crap... holy crap.

(Pardon my misreading that other post; I was preoccupied while reading.)

http://global3.memecdn.com/gives-you-head_o_300083.jpg????


NICE!!! IM FUCKING JELLY

Vis
06-27-2013, 01:12 PM
A second arrest has been made in a murder investigation involving American football player Aaron Hernandez, prosecutors say.

Carlos Ortiz, 27, was detained in Connecticut accused of being a fugitive from justice, say authorities.

Mr Hernandez, 23, was charged on Wednesday with murder in relation to last week's discovery of a fellow player's body in Massachusetts.

The NFL player has now been dropped by his team, the New England Patriots.

The league has struggled to improve its image after a series of cases involving dog fighting, gambling and homicide.

'Hysterical atmosphere'
Mr Ortiz, who was arrested on Wednesday in Mr Hernandez's hometown of Bristol, is in custody on bail of $1.5m (nearly £1m).


Odin Lloyd's girlfriend and Mr Hernandez's fiancee are sisters
Mr Hernandez was taken from his home south of Boston, Massachusetts, in handcuffs over the death of Odin Lloyd, 27, a semi-professional player.

He is also charged with firearms violations.

His lawyer said the case was circumstantial and had a "rather hysterical atmosphere".

Mr Hernandez was scheduled to appear in court for a bail review hearing on Thursday.

Lloyd was found in a quiet corner of an industrial park not far from Mr Hernandez's home.

According to the victim's family, the two men had been friends.

Lloyd's girlfriend and Mr Hernandez's fiancee - who is the mother of his eight-month-old baby - are sisters.

The victim had been shot multiple times, authorities said. The two men are believed to have had an argument some days earlier.

Two days after that dispute, Mr Hernandez allegedly called two unnamed friends and asked them to come to Massachusetts from the neighbouring state of Connecticut.

The group is said to have picked up Lloyd at home in the early hours of 17 June. Surveillance footage from Mr Hernandez's home showed him leaving with a gun.

Prosecutors say that about an hour later, Lloyd texted his sister: "Did you see who I am with.''

When his sister asked whom, Lloyd replied "NFL", adding "Just so you know".

Minutes later, workers at the industrial park reported hearing gunshots, say prosecutors.

Mr Hernandez was drafted by the Patriots in 2010 after playing at the University of Florida.

His contract was renewed last year in a $40m deal.

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 01:13 PM
I had the same thought about the Boston bomber

yeah cops take a look at a case, find evidence but no one to link it to, then new cases come and it gets put on the back burner.... like the boston bomber the 3 he killed.. theyt werent famous or popular, and if the family doesnt stay on them, cases get dropped.


what % of murders go unsolved?

Fire Arians
06-27-2013, 01:24 PM
I bet Belichick lets Tebow do the Tebow now.
Gonna' be a redemption story this year. The Patriots are findiing God after being mislead by a sociopath. Ring #4 incoming.

come on man

teegre
06-27-2013, 01:30 PM
I bet Belichick lets Tebow do the Tebow now.
Gonna' be a redemption story this year. The Patriots are findiing God after being mislead by a sociopath. Ring #4 incoming.

Just the opposite.

Any positive karma that guided the Taperiots in 2001 (heck, even I was rooting for them) is going to do a 180 following this triple-murder case (everyone will be rooting against the Taperiots).

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 01:33 PM
Just the opposite.

Any positive karma that guided the Taperiots in 2001 (heck, even I was rooting for them) is going to do a 180 following this triple-murder case (everyone will be rooting against the Taperiots).

they arent already?

i think that turned along time ago.

Stanley
06-27-2013, 01:36 PM
yeah cops take a look at a case, find evidence but no one to link it to, then new cases come and it gets put on the back burner.... like the boston bomber the 3 he killed.. theyt werent famous or popular, and if the family doesnt stay on them, cases get dropped.


what % of murders go unsolved?

Just for grins, every time Brady throws an incomplete pass, the fans should start chanting TEEBOW-TEEBOW-TEEBOW .
:thumbsup:

Vis
06-27-2013, 01:42 PM
Police search Hernandez’s uncle’s house

The Bristol home of one of Aaron Hernandez's relatives was searched by investigators, WFSB-TV reports.

Investigators from both Connecticut and Massachusetts searched a home which is owned by Hernandez's uncle, Andres Valderrama.

Investigators spent a couple of hours going through the home and garage before leaving.

"Both the Bristol Police Department and the New Britain State's Attorney's Office will continue to provide whatever assistance we can in connection with this investigation. As the investigation is ongoing, we can have no further comment at this time," the statement said.

Massachusetts State Police arrested the former New England Patriots player Wednesday in connection with the death of Odin Lloyd, a semi-pro football player from Boston.

Fire Arians
06-27-2013, 01:45 PM
Just for grins, every time Brady throws an incomplete pass, the fans should start chanting TEEBOW-TEEBOW-TEEBOW .
:thumbsup:

tebow is the secret weapon if they ever have to play in denver. the crowd will lose their voices chanting IN-COM-PLETE!! by halftime, effectively taking them out of the game

PATS16N0
06-27-2013, 01:46 PM
Just for grins, every time Brady throws an incomplete pass, the fans should start chanting TEEBOW-TEEBOW-TEEBOW .
:thumbsup:

Apparently you don't understand the folk-hero status Tom Brady has carved out for himself amongst New Englanders. If Tebow tried running even one play with a healthy Tom on the sideline, the fans would storm the field with hatches and torches.

The guy who got hit by Tom's car reportedly asked the paramedics in the Ambulance if "Tom was ok"

You'll hear no Tebow chants in Gillette this year or any other for at least the next five.

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 01:48 PM
Apparently you don't understand the folk-hero status Tom Brady has carved out for himself amongst New Englanders. If Tebow tried running even one play with a healthy Tom on the sideline, the fans would storm the field with hatches and torches.

The guy who got hit by Tom's car reportedly asked the paramedics in the Ambulance if "Tom was ok"

You'll hear no Tebow chants in Gillette this year or any other for at least the next five.

but you will hear this

http://www.troll.me/images/tebowchrist/thank-you-tebow-jesus.jpg

JonM229
06-27-2013, 01:55 PM
From The Onion:

Tim Tebow's Former Teammate Charge With Murder (http://www.theonion.com/articles/tim-tebows-former-teammate-charged-with-murder,32976/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview:1:Default)

Adding yet another wrinkle to the football player and media sensation’s eventful offseason, authorities confirmed today that a former teammate of New England Patriots quarterback Tim Tebow has been arrested and charged with murder. “While this is a highly sensitive matter, I can confirm that [Tebow’s former teammate] has indeed been taken into custody,” said Massachusetts State Police Superintendent Timothy P. Alben, referring to the individual who reportedly knows Tim Tebow, has talked to Tim Tebow, and has spent time in the same locker room as Tebow following the deeply religious quarterback’s release from the New York Jets earlier this year. “As our probe is ongoing, we will have no official comment on [the man who played football with former University of Florida standout Tim Tebow, who continues his rollercoaster journey through the National Football league this year—a journey beset with NFL experts and fans constantly asking this question: Is Tim Tebow an NFL quarterback? And if not, is he capable of playing another position? And if not, does he belong in the league at all?]’s role in the investigation at this time.” When questioned by reporters, Alben was unable to provide an answer on how Tebow’s physical style of play and experience running the wildcat package would mesh with Patriots head coach Bill Belichick’s longstanding emphasis on the passing game.

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 02:05 PM
anyone watching the bail hearing?


gotta take a dump, but dont wanna miss any of the action

SteelersCanada
06-27-2013, 02:07 PM
He does technically fit the definition of a serial killer assuming he killed those two other people last July.

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 02:11 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/live

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 02:13 PM
is this jewish lawyer related to jmon?

Stanley
06-27-2013, 02:13 PM
anyone watching the bail hearing?


gotta take a dump, but dont wanna miss any of the action

Hernandez' lawyer is telling the Judge that Hernandez is a reliable, stable, solid citizen and deserves bail.

I don't know how he keeps a straight face.
:sofunny:

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 02:14 PM
Hernandez' lawyer is telling the Judge that Hernandez is a reliable, stable, solid citizen and deserves bail.

I don't know how he keeps a straight face.
:sofunny:

its probably why they are considered the best defense lawyers in the world

PATS16N0
06-27-2013, 02:15 PM
Hernandez wants to bust a cap in the judges ass.

PATS16N0
06-27-2013, 02:16 PM
Holy shit I'm ten minutes from this courthouse.

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 02:16 PM
nepats where you watching this?

they switched back to the guys on abc chatting now.. i want courttv hear, not some goof reporter

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 02:16 PM
Holy shit I'm ten minutes from this courthouse.

well get your ass on tv..

show up with a #freehernandez t-shirt. and i'll thank your post every day till pitt plays ne

MACH1
06-27-2013, 02:17 PM
Holy shit I'm ten minutes from this courthouse.

Better run down there and start handing out some of that pats* koolaid. :chuckle:

PATS16N0
06-27-2013, 02:27 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/live

teegre
06-27-2013, 02:34 PM
He does technically fit the definition of a serial killer assuming he killed those two other people last July.

I misread, and had thought that the three shootings had happened on one night (hence, the mass murderer comment).

And while Aaron has killed three people, I'm not exactly sure he's a serial killer.

Technically, a series of three kills spread out over time might indeed make him a serial killer... but, when I think serial killers, I think of guys who killed random, unrelated people for NO REASON: Ed Gein, John Wayne Gacy, The Nightstalker, Ted Bundy, Son of Sam...

Conversely, Hernandez had a reason to kill all three: he had a beef with the first two, and killed them... and then, Aaron killed Odin, to keep Odin from talking about the previous two murders.

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 02:35 PM
did anyone lose sound or is just my shyt speakers?

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 02:36 PM
the news today is literally wetting their pants with excitment, between aaron and george... ratings ratings ratings

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 02:38 PM
denied bail again.. yikes

Fire Arians
06-27-2013, 02:40 PM
at this rate, goodell won't even have to suspend him, he's going to be locked up for a very long time

PATS16N0
06-27-2013, 02:42 PM
the news today is literally wetting their pants with excitment, between aaron and george... ratings ratings ratings

George who? George what? What else is happening?

teegre
06-27-2013, 02:48 PM
George who? George what? What else is happening?

Tayvon Martin case...

Buddha Bus
06-27-2013, 02:51 PM
I thought so also, but I guess they can review it again today or something.

I though to not get bail you have to be a flight risk? which he clearly isnt,(he barely left his house the past 6 days, add on he has a kid, if the lawyer can spin that)
bail might be 5 million but cant see him not getting it, depending on what more is said

He wasn't a flight risk when he was not a suspect or charged. Why throw further suspicion on yourself by fleeing and throwing away your pro football career if you think you may just get away with it?

Now that he's been charged and arrested for it, letting him out on bail would almost guarantee he'd flee the country. He'd have nothing to lose now.

PATS16N0
06-27-2013, 02:51 PM
Tayvon Martin case...

Oh, right

PATS16N0
06-27-2013, 02:52 PM
If they let him out I feel like it would be a suicide story by the end of the month.

Buddha Bus
06-27-2013, 03:06 PM
If they let him out I feel like it would be a suicide story by the end of the month.

Would that be terrible?:noidea:

Fire Arians
06-27-2013, 03:11 PM
If they let him out I feel like it would be a suicide story by the end of the month.

or silence of the lambs

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 03:17 PM
NFL has some wild stories the last year between this and jevon bleacher

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 03:28 PM
He wasn't a flight risk when he was not a suspect or charged. Why throw further suspicion on yourself by fleeing and throwing away your pro football career if you think you may just get away with it?

Now that he's been charged and arrested for it, letting him out on bail would almost guarantee he'd flee the country. He'd have nothing to lose now.

but with the publicity of the case, the chances of him fleeing would have to be pretty slim,well its non issue until trial now

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 03:33 PM
this ass wipe is more likely to flee the country then aaron
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/franklin-reyes-held-child-death-freed-bail-article-1.1384091

Buddha Bus
06-27-2013, 03:38 PM
but with the publicity of the case, the chances of him fleeing would have to be pretty slim,well its non issue until trial now

He has gang affiliations (allegedly) and the means (tons of cash) to make it happen. Why wouldn't he bolt now that his career has been flushed down the toilet? Seems like he's at greater risk now than before of either fleeing or offing himself.

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 03:41 PM
He has gang affiliations (allegedly) and the means (tons of cash) to make it happen. Why wouldn't he bolt now that his career has been flushed down the toilet? Seems like he's at greater risk now than before of either fleeing or offing himself.

well unless he has an under ground railroad out of his house.. it would be difficult with the media camped out on his lawn.

i think the concern more is with him taking out more people

Buddha Bus
06-27-2013, 03:42 PM
well unless he has an under ground railroad out of his house.. it would be difficult with the media camped out on his lawn.

i think the concern more is with him taking out more people

I'm sure he could find a way with his money.

Atlanta Dan
06-27-2013, 03:46 PM
Hernandez' lawyer is telling the Judge that Hernandez is a reliable, stable, solid citizen and deserves bail.

I don't know how he keeps a straight face.
:sofunny:

Practice

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB8TCRUd9rA

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 03:47 PM
I'm sure he could find a way with his money.

i think that becomes a serious reach.. then again their is terrorist flying in and out of this country on a regular basis..




if you guys need a good laugh: i recommend reading some of the articles and reading comment sections:

1-800-call-ray


wait till this comes up on sunday nfl countdown..


ray lewis top 10 ways to beat a murder rap.

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 03:49 PM
make sure you call ray and not rae for advice

Buddha Bus
06-27-2013, 03:52 PM
Why is it a reach to think that a millionaire charged with murder, career in ruins, and reputation in shambles would flee the country on bail? I hardly think the media is a fearsome enough force to prevent that from happening. I'm sure, under cover of night and with some of his (alleged) gangsta buddies helping him out he could pull it off easily.

Atlanta Dan
06-27-2013, 03:54 PM
the news today is literally wetting their pants with excitment, between aaron and george... ratings ratings ratings

The double murder allegations have made Hernandez the lead story this afternoon on Drudge with this great photo - I have added the suggested caption that can go with this photo on the "Free Aaron!" T-shirts

http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/QI3pUTrWkAw5aGN5UJcQOA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0zNDI7cT04NTt3PTUxMg--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2013-06-26T205840Z_255614794_GM1E96R0DPD01_RTRMADP_3_USA-PATRIOTS-HERNANDEZ.JPG

I think I may f***ed up

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 03:59 PM
Why is it a reach to think that a millionaire charged with murder, career in ruins, and reputation in shambles would flee the country on bail? I hardly think the media is a fearsome enough force to prevent that from happening. I'm sure, under cover of night and with some of his (alleged) gangsta buddies helping him out he could pull it off easily.

exactly alleged gangsta buddies, if they were his gangsta buddies one of them would of already taken the fall for it.

its not just the media, its how much of a public figure he is.. you dont think they have cops surrounding his street now?

its not like its (no offense)buddha bus walking down the street. or that mexican kid i posted above.

even if he attempted to flee he'd be caught fairly quickly and pretty much anywhere he fleed he'd be brought back as soon as he is caught... and a majority of his money is probably in the bank, which would make it difficult to get out of your account..

JonM229
06-27-2013, 04:00 PM
Are we playing Caption This now?

http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/QI3pUTrWkAw5aGN5UJcQOA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0zNDI7cT04NTt3PTUxMg--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2013-06-26T205840Z_255614794_GM1E96R0DPD01_RTRMADP_3_USA-PATRIOTS-HERNANDEZ.JPG

Oopsie Daisy!

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 04:01 PM
The double murder allegations have made Hernandez the lead story this afternoon on Drudge with this great photo - I have added the suggested caption that can go with this photo on the "Free Aaron!" T-shirts

http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/QI3pUTrWkAw5aGN5UJcQOA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0zNDI7cT04NTt3PTUxMg--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2013-06-26T205840Z_255614794_GM1E96R0DPD01_RTRMADP_3_USA-PATRIOTS-HERNANDEZ.JPG

I think I may f***ed up


haha... what the hell is he licking his chops for?


On the Front
Free Aaron

On the back

Still Fire Arians

ebsteelers
06-27-2013, 04:01 PM
Are we playing Caption This now?

http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/QI3pUTrWkAw5aGN5UJcQOA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0zNDI7cT04NTt3PTUxMg--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2013-06-26T205840Z_255614794_GM1E96R0DPD01_RTRMADP_3_USA-PATRIOTS-HERNANDEZ.JPG

Oopsie Daisy!

caption this:


I could really go for some Blue Cotton candy gum right now.... O wait


Michael fee in the back: im fucked my perfect record down the toilet, guess i'll take a nap