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SteelerEmpire
06-26-2013, 08:37 AM
Oh boy, I don't even know what to say :doh:

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Article:

The TV cook and restaurateur tearfully opens up to TODAY’s Matt Lauer about the recent controversy surrounding a discrimination lawsuit filed by a former employee, saying the using the N-word is “just not a part” of who she is and that despite the fallout, she is glad she didn’t lie under oath.

LINK: http://www.today.com/food/paula-deen-i-would-not-have-fired-me-6C10454147

http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/g-cvr-130626-paula-deen-750a.grid-5x2.jpg

JonM229
06-26-2013, 08:52 AM
That's what all racists say.

You know it's got to be pretty bad when Smithfield, one of the largest employers of illegal immigrants, drops you as a spokesperson.

steelax04
06-26-2013, 09:50 AM
That's what all racists say.

You know it's got to be pretty bad when Smithfield, one of the largest employers of illegal immigrants, drops you as a spokesperson.

So that's why their pork products are so damn delicious.

JonM229
06-26-2013, 09:51 AM
So that's why their pork products are so damn delicious.

Mmmmmm, forbidden pork.


What's the ultimate Jewish dilemma?

Free ham

teegre
06-26-2013, 09:52 AM
I ain't not no racist, y'all.
Sincerely,
Paula Dean

JonM229
06-26-2013, 09:53 AM
I ain't not no racist, y'all.
Sincerely,
Paula Dean

The use of a triple negative confirms that it's Paula Dean.

teegre
06-26-2013, 09:58 AM
The use of a triple negative confirms that it's Paula Dean.

Exactly... I knew that YOU would catch the humor of that.

JonM229
06-26-2013, 10:06 AM
I used to watch her show, but it seemed like the longer she was on tv, the more southern and folksy her speech became to the point where I couldn't stand her

teegre
06-26-2013, 10:18 AM
I used to watch her show, but it seemed like the longer she was on tv, the more southern and folksy her speech became to the point where I couldn't stand her

Spot on!!!

I could not stand how FAKE her southern draw and double-negatives became; she was "trying" to sound country, but ended up just sounding dumb.

"Y 'all ain't never had no biscuits y'all like them biscuits y'all make for y'all, y'all. Y'all and y'all ain't got no y'all, y'all... y'all."

Atlanta Dan
06-26-2013, 10:20 AM
Moral of the story - don't be an embarrassment if your ratings are down

Paula Deen's Other Problem: Stale Ratings

Paula Deen's future with the Food Network was in doubt even before a controversy over her use of racial slurs erupted, say people familiar with the situation, a reflection of changing tastes in food television.

For several weeks before the controversy blew up last week, Ms. Deen's agent had been negotiating with the Food Network to extend her contract, which ends June 30, the people said. One issue complicating the negotiations: her ratings had slid substantially over the past season.

"Things were not going as planned," said one person familiar with the negotiations, noting that an unresolved contract extension so late in the game was unusual....

Ratings for Ms. Deen's show "Paula's Best Dishes" were down 15% in total viewers—and 22% in the 18-49 demographic that advertisers care most about—for the 2012-13 season, compared with last season, according to Nielsen ratings provided by Horizon Media.

"Her numbers are down," said Brad Adgate, research director at Horizon Media. "She represented in many ways a bygone era."

Meanwhile, the Food Network has been increasingly shifting away from traditional cooking instruction toward food-themed reality shows and cooking competitions.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323998604578567832751771860.html

JonM229
06-26-2013, 10:43 AM
Meanwhile, the Food Network has been increasingly shifting away from traditional cooking instruction toward food-themed reality shows and cooking competitions. [/I]

I watched the Food Network for cooking instruction, goddammit.

Remember when MTV used to play music videos?

teegre
06-26-2013, 10:46 AM
I watched the Food Network for cooking instruction, goddammit.

Remember when MTV used to play music videos?

... or, when HBO used to show movies?

JonM229
06-26-2013, 10:57 AM
... or, when HBO used to show movies?

I do like a lot of their shows, though. Where else can I watch soft-porn with vampires and shit?

teegre
06-26-2013, 11:06 AM
I do like a lot of their shows, though. Where else can I watch soft-porn with vampires and shit?

LOL

HBO's shows are the greatest!!!

The Sopranos, Curb Your Enthusiasm, Six Feet Under, Flight of the Conchords, Deadwood, Oz, Arli$$, The Wire...

It's just that, when you look at a 24-hour block, there are maybe two movies. Not really a "box office" any more. A great channel, but not a movie channel.

Vis
06-26-2013, 11:10 AM
I do like a lot of their shows, though. Where else can I watch soft-porn with vampires and shit?

Funny you should ask that because Paula Deen just announced that the only work she can get is in porn, y'all

JonM229
06-26-2013, 11:15 AM
Funny you should ask that because Paula Deen just announced that the only work she can get is in porn, y'all

Ummm, thanks but no thanks

ebsteelers
06-26-2013, 11:17 AM
lol paula just needs a little mandingo in her life

teegre
06-26-2013, 11:34 AM
lol paula just needs a little mandingo in her life

"little Mandingo"

Isn't that an oxymoron?

ebsteelers
06-26-2013, 11:42 AM
"little Mandingo"

Isn't that an oxymoron?

good catch on that hahaha..

My guess she wanted to date a black dude in college, he didnt want known of it, so her love turned to hate #CSIinvestigation

OX1947
06-26-2013, 01:40 PM
Or maybe Paula Deen is a rare southerner who still thinks houses are called plantations. Frankly, tired of this race and homo nation this country is shoving down are damn throats at every moment of the day. I never thought I would be happy to watch some poor bastard get taken from his house to a court room like I have today. because I was finally spared the gay or race ass hump this country seems to be infatuated on every channel no matter sports or tabloid.

JonM229
06-26-2013, 01:47 PM
I'm sick of treating those different than me with respect as well.

Atlanta Dan
06-26-2013, 02:02 PM
Or maybe Paula Deen is a rare southerner who still thinks houses are called plantations. Frankly, tired of this race and homo nation this country is shoving down are damn throats at every moment of the day. I never thought I would be happy to watch some poor bastard get taken from his house to a court room like I have today. because I was finally spared the gay or race ass hump this country seems to be infatuated on every channel no matter sports or tabloid.

IMO there is a little bit more going on with Paula Deen than thinking the terms "house" and "plantation" are interchangeable - she always played herself as a Southern stereotype and got that stereotype turned back on her

Her attorneys screwed up by not telling her to settle the case before the attorney for the plaintiff (who is from Atlanta and has a rep as a very aggressive litigator) launched the PR offensive and got the deposition testimony out - cheaper to pay the $$ and sign a confidentiality agreement - as far as standing on principle that can get very expensive if there are any skeletons in your closet (which her attorneys should have known were there)

As far as the nation's "gay or race ass hump" infatuation if you do not like what is on the teevee you always can change the channel

Lady Steel
06-26-2013, 02:49 PM
Paula Deen is a racist and a fraud. Almost everything about her is fake from her hair, to her eyelashes, to her drawly drawl. I never did like her. Her schtick got old fast.

First there was the controversy she caused by encouraging people to cook/bake fatty/buttery foods despite the fact that she has diabetes, and now this.

I will be boycotting all of her endeavors.

JonM229
06-26-2013, 02:59 PM
Paula Deen is a racist and a fraud. Almost everything about her is fake from her hair, to her eyelashes, to her drawly drawl. I never did like her. Her schtick got old fast.

You forgot about her orange skin.

ebsteelers
06-26-2013, 03:48 PM
http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/paula_deen_police_report_amid_racism_fz7NmUEfnwh8x WGxnnyDuL

say what now?


MAN DINGO

Vis
06-26-2013, 03:57 PM
WalMart severs ties with Deen afraid she would use a racial slur about the undocumented workers they lock up in the back at night.

OX1947
06-26-2013, 04:00 PM
IMO there is a little bit more going on with Paula Deen than thinking the terms "house" and "plantation" are interchangeable - she always played herself as a Southern stereotype and got that stereotype turned back on her

Her attorneys screwed up by not telling her to settle the case before the attorney for the plaintiff (who is from Atlanta and has a rep as a very aggressive litigator) launched the PR offensive and got the deposition testimony out - cheaper to pay the $$ and sign a confidentiality agreement - as far as standing on principle that can get very expensive if there are any skeletons in your closet (which her attorneys should have known were there)

As far as the nation's "gay or race ass hump" infatuation if you do not like what is on the teevee you always can change the channel

Well, you all sit there and think this is an isolated situation, it isnt. Everything bleeds into everything else. All these social issues keep piling on and the sport is being effected. I can go on with details but this isnt suppose to that serious. All these social issues are a giant scam, agenda driven, jerk off. If I want to watch this garbage, I'll turn on CNN. Sports is the get away activity. All these hypocrites always spew that shit when there is a tragedy. Well then, this stands the same way. Everywhere I go, all I have to hear about is the President is a commy, gays want this, this idiot wants that. I dont give a shit. Anyone who thinks they have "rights", well, good job, enjoy that fairy tale. Sports is suppose to be the get away and enjoyment of competition where true talent is rewarded. It's the last outlet we have for true talent. Music aint it anymore, movies are garbage. Leave sports the eff alone please.

OX1947
06-26-2013, 04:04 PM
WalMart severs ties with Deen afraid she would use a racial slur about the undocumented workers they lock up in the back at night.

Oh, the irony in this.....hahahaha

Atlanta Dan
06-26-2013, 04:39 PM
Sports is suppose to be the get away and enjoyment of competition where true talent is rewarded. It's the last outlet we have for true talent. Music aint it anymore, movies are garbage. Leave sports the eff alone please.

I have not watched ESPN today but I assume they were not running stories on Paula Deen or the Supreme Court causing the 4th hour of the Today show to be pre-empted this morning because the gays filed a lawsuit and are not willing to accept the fact that being discriminated against is just the way it is going to be

As far as ESPN covering Hernandez, it seems to be a sports related story when a NFL Top 100 player is charged with a gangland style murder just as it was story when Ben was under investigation for Milledgeville, if only to show how much folks will put up with from athletes having "true talent" until they go completely off the rails

Atlanta Dan
06-26-2013, 04:45 PM
WalMart severs ties with Deen afraid she would use a racial slur about the undocumented workers they lock up in the back at night.

Caesar's Palace dumped her too

Caesars operates Paula Deen-themed restaurants at four of its casinos: Horseshoe Southern Indiana, Harrah's Tunica in Mississippi, Harrah's Joliet in Illinois and Harrah's Cherokee in North Carolina.

"While we appreciate Paula's sincere apologies for statements she made in her past ... we have mutually decided that it is in the best interests of both parties to part ways at this time," said Jan Jones Blackhurst, executive vice president of communications and government affairs for Caesars Entertainment.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/dam/assets/130626104951-paula-deen-dropped-620xa.jpg
Paula Deen in happier times.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/06/26/news/companies/cesars-deen-restaurants/

WalMart and Caesar's Palace - yikes!

Compared to the rough crowd Paula Deen hung with, Aaron Hernandez was partying with the Boy Scouts

teegre
06-26-2013, 04:46 PM
I have not watched ESPN today but I assume they were not running stories on Paula Deen or the Supreme Court causing the 4th hour of the Today show to be pre-empted this morning because the gays filed a lawsuit and are not willing to accept the fact that being discriminated against is just the way it is going to be.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiH4n8Yz380

Uh... no, Just this morning, in the middle of Sesame Street, after the DOMO ruling, two gay dudes sodomized Big Bird.

Really though, great point. Reminds me of this video.

Buddha Bus
06-26-2013, 04:54 PM
Ms. Deen further went on to add....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn7bEVnFlds










........ y'all.

MasterOfPuppets
06-26-2013, 05:38 PM
i guess this ruins any chance of her ever getting a gig on B.E.T. :popcorn:

Buddha Bus
06-26-2013, 05:40 PM
i guess this ruins any chance of her ever getting a gig on B.E.T. :popcorn:

Not if it stands for Bigot Entertainment Television. :wink02:

MasterOfPuppets
06-26-2013, 05:46 PM
Not if it stands for Bigot Entertainment Television. :wink02:
it would only be bigoted if it were white entertainment television silly...:doh:

Buddha Bus
06-26-2013, 05:50 PM
it would only be bigoted if it were white entertainment television silly...:doh:

W.E.T.? I'm intrigued. Tell me more. :scratchchin:

MasterOfPuppets
06-26-2013, 06:08 PM
W.E.T.? I'm intrigued. Tell me more. :scratchchin:
here's the flagship show...


http://www.watchseries-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Loose-Women.jpg

seriously has anyone heard of or seen this ?

Buddha Bus
06-26-2013, 06:14 PM
here's the flagship show...


http://www.watchseries-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Loose-Women.jpg

seriously has anyone heard of or seen this ?

No, but I feel kinda funny. Like when I climbed up that rope in gym class as a teenager.

Atlanta Dan
06-27-2013, 12:14 PM
Another endorsement deal gone

Diabetes Drug Maker Suspends Deal With Deen

The celebrity chef Paula Deen has run into trouble with another major corporate partner: The Danish pharmaceutical company Novo Nordisk said Thursday that it would suspend their relationship in the wake of her admission that she used racist language in the past.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/28/dining/diabetes-drug-maker-suspends-deal-with-deen.html?hp&_r=0

IMO it was this deal that started her slide - woman who promotes high fat and sugar meals that can contribute to causing obesity and diabetes then admits she has diabetes in order to shill for a diabetes drug

Vis
06-27-2013, 12:18 PM
Meanwhile her book is #1

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/27/new-paula-deen-book-_n_3510472.html?utm_hp_ref=books

As of Thursday morning, "Paula Deen's New Testament: 250 Recipes, All Lightened Up," ranked No. 1 on Amazon.com. The book is scheduled for October. Another Deen book, "Paula Deen's Southern Cooking Bible," was at No. 13. Several other Deen books were out of stock.

JonM229
06-27-2013, 12:30 PM
Meanwhile her book is #1

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/27/new-paula-deen-book-_n_3510472.html?utm_hp_ref=books

People can't get enough of down-home, old timey racism

teegre
06-27-2013, 12:39 PM
Meanwhile her book is #1

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/27/new-paula-deen-book-_n_3510472.html?utm_hp_ref=books

Here is an excerpt from her book:

HOMETOWN SNICKERDOODLES

Ingredients:
3 cups flour... WHITE flour!!!
1 teaspoon bakin' soda y'all
2 eggs (only the whites)
1 tablespoon of cinn'mon
2 cups brown sugar (white is still better)

Sift y'all the flour & baking soda y'all. Y'all the eggs whites into a bowl y'all. Stir in the y'all sugar and cinn'mon y'all. Y'all the y'all with a y'all. Y'all onto a y'all, and bake in the y'all for y'all minutes.

JonM229
06-27-2013, 12:44 PM
I'm looking forward to her next recipe: Masa-roni and cheese

Buddha Bus
06-27-2013, 02:09 PM
Meanwhile her book is #1

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/27/new-paula-deen-book-_n_3510472.html?utm_hp_ref=books

Racists read?!? :jawdrop:


Well color me shocked.... just not black, please.

jacobo
06-28-2013, 03:12 AM
i believe she believes she is not racist.

Vis
06-28-2013, 07:19 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktTbcoMh3n4

PATS16N0
06-28-2013, 12:32 PM
The word "racist" to me is has reached the point of being our version of "heretic"
The way white people react when called a racist is just bizarre, and they'll do anything to not be seen as such, including taking a complete subservient attitude towards anyone of another ethnicity.

Were I black or asian or hispanic, I wouldn't have the slightest amount of respect for white liberals that fall into this mindset, would see them as natural slaves due to their slavish, pandering mentality, and wouldn't respect them in any way, shape, or form.

I think the United States has as much racial propaganda as National Socialist Germany, just in the complete opposite direction, and starting at arguably an even earlier age.

The gasping in horror at the word racist, and just general reactions to the mere thought of it, suggest the over the top egalitarian propaganda has left a deep-rooted psychological impact on people it's been aimed at since childhood, particularly the sorts of people with minds media propaganda has a powerful effect on.

The fact that this is a huge story says quite a lot. It's national.
What's national? That one person said a racial slur at a work place.

Well... wow.

It's being used as a national cautionary tale which is just funny.

Vis
06-28-2013, 12:35 PM
We're Nazis about not allowing xenophobia? Interesting theory while being total bunk.

PATS16N0
06-28-2013, 12:36 PM
We're Nazis about not allowing xenophobia? Interesting theory while being total bunk.

What?

JonM229
06-28-2013, 12:37 PM
How dare you people be intolerant of my intolerance!!

PATS16N0
06-28-2013, 12:37 PM
HERETIC!

Vis
06-28-2013, 12:39 PM
I think the United States has as much racial propaganda as National Socialist Germany, just in the complete opposite direction, and starting at arguably an even earlier age.




We're Nazis about not allowing xenophobia? Interesting theory while being total bunk.

What?



Seems clear

PATS16N0
06-28-2013, 12:41 PM
Seems clear

"We are Nazis about not allowing Xenophobia? Your theory is bunk?"

Actually, it isn't clear at all lol.
Whatever you were trying to say, you completely botched it and it's jarbled beyond the point of me being able to understand it.

JonM229
06-28-2013, 12:42 PM
Racism is still an issue because, simply put, there are still quite a bit of racists out there. It was only last year that a black couple in Mississippi was barred from getting married in their church.

Baptist Church in Mississippi Bans Black Wedding (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/27/white-baptist-church-in-missouri-bans-black-wedding/)

A black couple in Crystal Springs, Mississippi says that a predominantly white Baptist church refused to let them get married because of their race.

Charles and Te’Andrea Wilson told WLBT that the day before they were to be married, the pastor of First Baptist Church of Crystal Springs informed them the ceremony would have to be moved due to the reaction of some white church members — even though the couple had attended the church regularly.

“The church congregation had decided no black could be married at that church, and that if [the pastor] went on to marry her, then they would vote him out the church,” Charles Wilson explained.

“He had people in the sanctuary that were pitching a fit about us being a black couple,” Te’Andrea Wilson added. “I didn’t like it at all, because I wasn’t brought up to be racist. I was brought up to love and care for everybody.”

Dr. Stan Weatherford, the church’s pastor, was forced to perform the marriage at another church after he was taken by surprise by his congregation’s outrage.

“This had never been done before here, so it was setting a new precedent, and there are those who reacted to that because of that,” Weatherford said. “I didn’t want to have a controversy within the church, and I didn’t want a controversy to affect the wedding of Charles and Te’ Andrea. I wanted to make sure their wedding day was a special day.”

Church officials said they would hold meetings to decide what to do if another non-white couple wanted to use their facility in the future. They insisted that all races were welcome at the church.

“I blame the First Baptist Church of Crystal Springs, I blame those members who knew and call themselves Christians and didn’t stand up,” Charles Wilson said.

Last year, a small church in Pike County, Kentucky voted to ban interracial couples from most church activities “to promote greater unity among the church body.”

A resolution passed by members of the congregation stated that “Gulnare Freewill Baptist Church does not condone interracial marriage.”

“Parties of such marriages will not be received as members, nor will they be used in worship services and other church functions, with the exception being funerals,” the resolution said.

After a firestorm of criticism and public pressure, the church eventually dropped the interracial ban.

Vis
06-28-2013, 12:44 PM
Racism is still an issue because, simply put, there are still quite a bit of racists out there. It was only last year that a black couple in Mississippi was barred from getting married in their church.

Baptist Church in Mississippi Bans Black Wedding (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/27/white-baptist-church-in-missouri-bans-black-wedding/)

You're such a leftist for posting that.

JonM229
06-28-2013, 12:48 PM
You're such a leftist for posting that.

It's like I'm forcing others to treat everybody the same, or some hippie bullshit like that.

PATS16N0
06-28-2013, 12:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBI41AdkAB8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBrywpS3v3s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddRNy4MISkg

So the first video is Van Jones, who is a pan-African Communist who was one of Obama's Tsars until a scandal forced him out. He essentially blames white people for pollution (well, that's his excuse to tax white people specifically, and redistribute their weath.)

This man worked in the U.S. government, and there's plenty like him still there, but the media is more interested in some old irrelevant white lady using a racial slur on the cooking network.

Do you understand how propaganda works?

Vis
06-28-2013, 12:49 PM
"We are Nazis about not allowing Xenophobia? Your theory is bunk?"

Actually, it isn't clear at all lol.
Whatever you were trying to say, you completely botched it and it's jarbled beyond the point of me being able to understand it.

I'll take this slowly. You referenced the Nazis who were xenophobic. With me so far?

You said we were like them but in the opposite direction, thus anti-xenophobic. Still keeping up?

So we are Nazis about not allowing xenophobia by your statement.

Of course this assumes you meant this only because the words you chose meant this. It's possible you just have no idea what you are saying.

PATS16N0
06-28-2013, 12:50 PM
Actually, this guy threatening to kill white babies is probably a victim of white racism.
Please excuse my heresy.

JonM229
06-28-2013, 12:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4f9zR5yzY

Vis
06-28-2013, 12:53 PM
Actually, this guy threatening to kill white babies is probably a victim of white racism.
Please excuse my heresy.

Are you defending racism by showing someone of another race who you disagree with? I'm missing your point.

PATS16N0
06-28-2013, 12:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4f9zR5yzY

The guy in this clip says "in the future they're going to hold us (white people) down and fuck us in the ass and we'll totally deserve it."

To repeat myself from an earlier post:
The way white people react when called a racist is just bizarre, and they'll do anything to not be seen as such, including taking a complete subservient attitude towards anyone of another ethnicity.

Anyway, we don't play this "we're so sorry to be white" shit in Boston.
So sorry if I'm derailing your thread with my self-respect.

Vis
06-28-2013, 12:57 PM
The guy in this clip says "in the future they're going to hold us (white people) down and fuck us in the ass and we'll totally deserve it."

To repeat myself from an earlier post:


Anyway, we don't play this "we're so sorry to be white" shit in Boston.
So sorry if I'm derailing your thread with my self-respect.

You can't be saying that racism doesn't exist because that would just be stupid. Are you saying racism is justified or understandable or admirable?

PATS16N0
06-28-2013, 12:58 PM
Are you defending racism by showing someone of another race who you disagree with? I'm missing your point.

I love that IN YOUR MIND Paula Deen is WORSE than the leader of the New Black Panther Party calling for genocide LOL.

YOU HAVE ZERO CREDIBILITY.

You're just an anti-white racist dick

JonM229
06-28-2013, 12:59 PM
So, apologizing for using a racist word is being an Uncle Tom?

Vis
06-28-2013, 01:01 PM
I love that IN YOUR MIND Paula Deen is WORSE than the leader of the New Black Panther Party calling for genocide LOL.

YOU HAVE ZERO CREDIBILITY.

You're just an anti-white racist dick

You dodge my question by attacking me for something I never said. That must work in Boston. Here we just laugh at you and point out that you don't have the wit or the balls to answer those direct questions.

PATS16N0
06-28-2013, 01:04 PM
I rest my case.
I don't even need to continue because I've already exposed this `national story` as irrelevant and you both as hypocrites and racists.
You might as well be Nazis, only without the cool uniforms, the talents for war and engineering, and the power.

But your standards for what is and what isn't acceptable is the same.

Radical, RADICAL, cold blooded, EVIL Black Panther scum bags can make whatever threatening stupid remark they want, and if I raise it, I'm "defending Paula Deen."

LOL.

Anyone who reads this thread with a reasonable head on their shoulders can see this story, and quite frankly the two of you, for exactly what you are.
Race hustlers.

Vis
06-28-2013, 01:05 PM
I rest my case.
I don't even need to continue because I've already exposed this `national story` as irrelevant and you both as hypocrites and racists.
You might as well be Nazis, only without the cool uniforms, the talents for war and engineering, and the power.

But your standards for what is and what isn't acceptable is the same.

Radical, RADICAL, cold blooded, EVIL Black Panther scum bags can make whatever threatening stupid remark they want, and if I raise it, I'm "defending Paula Deen."

LOL.

Anyone who reads this thread with a reasonable head on their shoulders can see this story, and quite frankly the two of you, for exactly what you are.
Race hustlers.


wit and balls still zero.

JonM229
06-28-2013, 01:07 PM
I actually think race in general is rather stupid. We're all people and, as such, should be treated no different than anyone else. Unfortunately, there's a lot of people who don't share my opinion, and not all of them are white, either.

Neither of us defended the clips you posted, but you were basically saying "Paula Deen shouldn't be in any trouble, because blacks can be racist, too." That point is irrelevant to the conversation.


Also, good job on calling a Jew a Nazi. I don't think people understand what a Nazi really is.

Vis
06-28-2013, 01:11 PM
You can't be saying that racism doesn't exist because that would just be stupid. Are you saying racism is justified or understandable or admirable?

Waiting.....

PATS16N0
06-28-2013, 01:12 PM
I actually think race in general is rather stupid. We're all people and, as such, should be treated no different than anyone else. Unfortunately, there's a lot of people who don't share my opinion, and not all of them are white, either.

Neither of us defended the clips you posted, but you were basically saying "Paula Deen shouldn't be in any trouble, because blacks can be racist, too." That point is irrelevant to the conversation.


Also, good job on calling a Jew a Nazi. I don't think people understand what a Nazi really is.

My point was highlighting the social propaganda of the U.S.S.A. by pointing out that Paula Deen saying something (I don't even know what she said) behind the scenes at the cooking network is a bigger story than Van Jones, an Obama Tsar, being an over the top POLITICALLY MINDED (power minded) black supremacist.

See the issue here? Of course you don't, because black communists in our government, inspiring national POLICY CHANGES, is for you less important than a chef celebrity saying something offensive at a food network.

Vis
06-28-2013, 01:17 PM
My point was highlighting the social propaganda of the U.S.S.A. by pointing out that Paula Deen saying something (I don't even know what she said) behind the scenes at the cooking network is a bigger story than Van Jones, an Obama Tsar, being an over the top POLITICALLY MINDED (power minded) black supremacist.

See the issue here? Of course you don't, because black communists in our government, inspiring national POLICY CHANGES, is for you less important than a chef celebrity saying something offensive at a food network.

This is bullshit for a whole other reason. Paula Deen is only fabulously wealthy because people pay attention to her. She cashes in on being known and watched. When she drops an N-bomb people aren't going to pay less attention.

JonM229
06-28-2013, 01:18 PM
My point was highlighting the social propaganda of the U.S.S.A. by pointing out that Paula Deen saying something (I don't even know what she said) behind the scenes at the cooking network is a bigger story than Van Jones, an Obama Tsar, being an over the top POLITICALLY MINDED (power minded) black supremacist.

See the issue here? Of course you don't, because black communists in our government, inspiring national POLICY CHANGES, is for you less important than a chef celebrity saying something offensive at a food network.

Didn't you also say that he left his position because of this? I don't see the issue then. People get appointed to government positions that have no business being there all of the time. Is it right? Of course not. Is it still going to happen from time to time? Yes.

If you really want to get upset about people in government offices who shouldn't be, take a look at Monsanto executives running the USDA and FDA. I'd be more worried about having food that won't kill me than a powerless government bureaucrat saying "kill whitey"

SteelCityMom
06-28-2013, 01:32 PM
I understand your point Pats...it all boils down to the propaganda of white guilt, and the fact that anyone who claims pride in being white is usually turned on and called a racist. Black on white racism is very rarely presented in the media, and there's no mistake about that. Anyone who says otherwise is kidding themselves.

Did Paula Deen deserve to be dropped? I don't know, and I don't particularly care. All I know is she's embroiled in a media controversy now, and the Food Network wanted to wash their hands of it. She admitted to using racist language in the past...but I think most everyone can be found guilty of that, and for the most part, it's all about context. To be quite honest, the fact that you can't even say "the forbidden word" if you're white annoys me to no end.

Anyway, try to keep it respectful and don't stoop to calling other people Nazi's. That doesn't help your point at all. You're on the right track to making a good argument, don't let insults get in the way of that.

Vis
06-28-2013, 01:38 PM
What about being white is a matter of pride? Or any other color? How is skin color an accomplishment? Should I be proud of my eye color? My shin length? My shiny pate?

The term "race" is a problem. All humans are the same race. Skin tones are nothing more than skin tones.

Humans are by nature tribal. We must be careful how we define "us" and "them" If skin color remains one of those ways we are doomed.

SteelCityMom
06-28-2013, 01:45 PM
I completely agree Vis.

So why is Black Pride month so acceptable then? Why is there BET? Why are there black centric magazines? I don't care that there are these things, but if someone started a magazine called White Pride, that did nothing but celebrate European heritage and had nothing to do with promoting neo-nazism or white power, it would be immediately portrayed that way regardless.

There is a clear double standard in the US, and it is in favor of non-whites. That's what the point is.

With all of this shoved down people's throats day in and day out, there's no wonder there's still a clear divide.

PATS16N0
06-28-2013, 01:48 PM
What about being white is a matter of pride? Or any other color? How is skin color an accomplishment? Should I be proud of my eye color? My shin length? My shiny pate?

The term "race" is a problem. All humans are the same race. Skin tones are nothing more than skin tones.

Humans are by nature tribal. We must be careful how we define "us" and "them" If skin color remains one of those ways we are doomed.

I'm a German-American. Germans are probably the most ass kicking species this planet has ever produced. We're inventive, imaginative, and have contributed MUCH to the world in the form of mechanical and technological enhancements, as well as spiritual and philosophical. We're family people, law abiding, and disciplined and stand upright with our heads high when we walk. We don't apologize, we don't grovel for being who we are, and looking at the way many other people conduct themselves, void of any dignity or honor, yes, it certainly does fill me with pride.

SteelCityMom
06-28-2013, 01:55 PM
I'm a German-American. Germans are probably the most ass kicking species this planet has ever produced. We're inventive, imaginative, and have contributed MUCH to the world in the form of mechanical and technological enhancements, as well as spiritual and philosophical. We're family people, law abiding, and disciplined and stand upright with our heads high when we walk. We don't apologize, we don't grovel for being who we are, and looking at the way many other people conduct themselves, void of any dignity or honor, yes, it certainly does fill me with pride.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMk5Vo_YRMU


:chuckle: I had to. Of German ancestry myself, and was always proud my heritage.

Prost! :drink:

Vis
06-28-2013, 01:57 PM
I'm a German-American. Germans are probably the most ass kicking species this planet has ever produced. We're inventive, imaginative, and have contributed MUCH to the world in the form of mechanical and technological enhancements, as well as spiritual and philosophical. We're family people, law abiding, and disciplined and stand upright with our heads high when we walk. We don't apologize, we don't grovel for being who we are, and looking at the way many other people conduct themselves, void of any dignity or honor, yes, it certainly does fill me with pride.

I'm of German descent. You left out the evil deeds of our forefathers which were many and grievous. But people who judge the individual by the group are peawits. (Movie reference there for bonus points). I will judge you on what you do and say. So far I'm not impressed. What I won't do is condemn you for the holocaust nor give you any credit for how well a Mercedes runs.

Vis
06-28-2013, 01:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMk5Vo_YRMU


:chuckle: I had to. Of German ancestry myself, and was always proud my heritage.

Prost! :drink:

I like this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48aUMXifAn8

SteelCityMom
06-28-2013, 02:05 PM
Right, but the point here is you can be proud of you heritage or background without being racist. All races and nationalities have their atrocities, but it's only PC to point out the ones done by white nationalities. Try talking about the fact that slavery was perpetrated very much by blacks selling other blacks into slavery and you get labeled racist. I think all of us here can agree that it shouldn't be that way, but it is, and it's heavily supported by the media.

Vis
06-28-2013, 02:11 PM
Right, but the point here is you can be proud of you heritage or background without being racist. All races and nationalities have their atrocities, but it's only PC to point out the ones done by white nationalities. Try talking about the fact that slavery was perpetrated very much by blacks selling other blacks into slavery and you get labeled racist. I think all of us here can agree that it shouldn't be that way, but it is, and it's heavily supported by the media.

Pride in family is different than saying one heritage is superior to another. Germans have a bad history with claiming superiority.

and looking at the way many other people conduct themselves, void of any dignity or honor

That part of Pat's post goes that one step passed pride and steps closer to a claim of überlegene Rasse

PATS16N0
06-28-2013, 02:21 PM
You're a citizen of the world. I understand. You're very progressive.
Instead of lecturing us, you should put your money where your mouth is, pack your shit, and move to Somalia.

Send us a post card and tell us how you're enjoying it.

PATS16N0
06-28-2013, 02:27 PM
Oh...
And if you want me to feel bad because our forefathers nearly wiped the Communist menace of the face of the earth before it would go on to slaughter about a half a billion people in the 20th century...

I don't.

Vis
06-28-2013, 02:28 PM
You're a citizen of the world. I understand. You're very progressive.
Instead of lecturing us, you should put your money where your mouth is, pack your shit, and move to Somalia.

Send us a post card and tell us how you're enjoying it.

Sie sind besonder... nur wie jecter sonst

Vis
06-28-2013, 02:31 PM
Oh...
And if you want me to feel bad because our forefathers nearly wiped the Communist menace of the face of the earth before it would go on to slaughter about a half a billion people in the 20th century...

I don't.

http://mswara-holocaust.wikispaces.com/file/view/bengal%2520holocaust.jpg/294710142/bengal%2520holocaust.jpg

I was talking about these horrors and you know it but you even try to dodge history. You have no intellectual honesty to go along with your lack of wit and balls

SteelCityMom
06-28-2013, 02:40 PM
Pride in family is different than saying one heritage is superior to another. Germans have a bad history with claiming superiority.

Meh...so do lots of other nationalities. It's nothing new. It's like how a sports teams fans will claim they are superior fans over all others. It's pervasive in nearly every major sports team. You picking out just Germans as being heavily responsible for this, like they invented it or something, is the kind of intellectual dishonesty you are bashing Pats for.

Anyway, I stand by the original point that started all this...that any racism towards whites is glossed over and ignored, and sometimes seen as perfectly acceptable. All while any small misstep that can be construed as racist that comes from white person is heavily vilified. The double standard is clear as day and seems to actually be condoned by our society. There's something very, very wrong with that. This does nothing but further promote more racism and divide.

Vis
06-28-2013, 02:48 PM
Meh...so do lots of other nationalities. It's nothing new. It's like how a sports teams fans will claim being superior fans over all others. It's pervasive in nearly every major sports team.

Anyway, I stand by the original point that started all this...that any racism towards whites is glossed over and ignored, and sometimes seen as perfectly acceptable. All while any small misstep that can be construed as racist that comes from white person is heavily vilified. The double standard is clear as day and seems to actually be condoned by our society. There's something very, very wrong with that. This does nothing but further promote more racism and divide.

Any true racism toward whites is just as bad. That would be a claim that whites are lesser than the other color, like Pat is saying about some non-Germans. As a whole we whites have it made. Especially us protestant whites of means with a good education and a nondescript midwestern accent. I know I got every break. I didn't pick my good fortune. Tell me where any of this is a disadvantage to me? What great advantage am I missing out on by not being a different color?

MasterOfPuppets
06-28-2013, 02:49 PM
jessie jackson said paula could be forgiven if she sent him a check for 3 million dollars....:popcorn:

Vis
06-28-2013, 02:51 PM
jessie jackson said paula could be forgiven if she sent him a check for 3 million dollars....:popcorn:

Is that what he paid for the antisemitic remarks he made? Oh, and no one glossed over those. He was slammed.

MasterOfPuppets
06-28-2013, 02:53 PM
Any true racism toward whites is just as bad. That would be a claim that whites are lesser than the other color, like Pat is saying about some non-Germans. As a whole we whites have it made. Especially us protestant whites of means with a good education and a nondescript midwestern accent. I know I got every break. I didn't pick my good fortune. Tell me where any of this is a disadvantage to me? What great advantage am I missing out on by not being a different color?
you missed out on the united negro college fund ....and the ACLU will never defend your rights ...:noidea:

SteelCityMom
06-28-2013, 02:54 PM
Any true racism toward whites is just as bad. That would be a claim that whites are lesser that the other color, like Pat is saying about some non-Germans. As a whole we whites have it made. Especially us protestant whites of means with a good education and a nondescript midwestern accent. I know I got every break. I didn't pick my good fortune. Tell me where any of this is a disadvantage to me? What great advantage am I missing out on by not being a different color?

You've completely missed the point. I never said anyone is better than anyone else...I'm just proud of my roots. And you had better be damned sure that it's frowned upon to not only be proud of European roots, but of Germanic roots. The looks I've gotten in the past could kill.

There shouldn't be any advantage or disadvantage based on the color of your skin, your gender, or who you choose to screw. That wasn't what I was saying. I'm saying that there is a double standard in our media and our society when it comes to racism (whether you personally agree with it or not is not the point either).

Vis
06-28-2013, 02:56 PM
You've completely missed the point. I never said anyone is better than anyone else...I'm just proud of my roots. And you had better be damned sure that it's frowned upon to not only be proud of European roots, but of Germanic roots. The looks I've gotten in the past could kill.

There shouldn't be any advantage or disadvantage based on the color of your skin, your gender, or who you choose to screw. That wasn't what I was saying. I'm saying that there is a double standard in our media and our society when it comes to racism (whether you personally agree with it or not is not the point either).

I didn't miss Pat's point. I didn't claim it was yours. I just don't believe in white victimhood.

SteelCityMom
06-28-2013, 03:00 PM
I didn't miss Pat's point. I didn't claim it was yours. I just don't believe in white victimhood.

That's fine...I guess it's the same way that I don't believe in white guilt or black victimhood either. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy in the fact that it's perfectly acceptable to have a Black Pride month and the like, but it would be racist if roles were reversed.

Vis
06-28-2013, 03:09 PM
That's fine...I guess it's the same way that I don't believe in white guilt or black victimhood either. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy in the fact that it's perfectly acceptable to have a Black Pride month and the like, but it would be racist if roles were reversed.

Because we have 11 of them

MasterOfPuppets
06-28-2013, 03:12 PM
That's fine...I guess it's the same way that I don't believe in white guilt or black victimhood either. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy in the fact that it's perfectly acceptable to have a Black Pride month and the like, but it would be racist if roles were reversed.
http://static.mattforney.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/reparations.jpg

the funny part of this picture is the girl in it is CLEARLY not 100% african.

SteelCityMom
06-28-2013, 03:15 PM
Because we have 11 of them

Oh, I didn't know all the other months of the year were all recognized as White Pride months. :doh:

That's the kind of answer that does nothing but support white guilt and black victimhood.

NOBODY should have a special month. Wasn't that kind of the point you were trying to make earlier? That we're all equal?

You are doing nothing but furthering my point that our society and media are slanted towards white guilt and that ignoring racism from non-whites is at best ignored and at worst acceptable.

Vis
06-28-2013, 03:28 PM
Oh, I didn't know all the other months of the year were all recognized as White Pride months. :doh:

That's the kind of answer that does nothing but support white guilt and black victimhood.

NOBODY should have a special month. Wasn't that kind of the point you were trying to make earlier? That we're all equal?

You are doing nothing but furthering my point that our society and media are slanted towards white guilt and that ignoring racism from non-whites is at best ignored and at worst acceptable.

Media is slanted to the rich majority. It's just we're so used to it that we only notice the changes. Anything non-white is noticed more.

Look at Texas white-washing history a few years ago. The problem isn't our guilt, it's our insecurity. It's okay for us to admit slavery was an evil and that the belief that whites were a superior race to blacks or native Americans or Jews was and is evil. It doesn't denigrate our children to teach them the full horrors of slavery. I don't have to feel guilty because dead white men enslaved dead black people. I do have to feel guilty if I try to make any argument defending what those dead white men did.

fer522
06-28-2013, 03:32 PM
Because we have 11 of them

It's only 10 because us Latinos get a month too. I think :chuckle:

Vis
06-28-2013, 03:49 PM
Should everyone have an equal opportunity in this country? The answer to that question is opinion.

Does everyone actually have an equal opportunity in this country? The answer to that is one of fact, not opinion.

Buddha Bus
06-28-2013, 03:51 PM
I'm still trying to figure out when German became a "species". :ididwhat:

SteelCityMom
06-28-2013, 03:52 PM
Media is slanted to the rich majority. It's just we're so used to it that we only notice the changes. Anything non-white is noticed more.

Look at Texas white-washing history a few years ago. The problem isn't our guilt, it's our insecurity. It's okay for us to admit slavery was an evil and that the belief that whites were a superior race to blacks or native Americans or Jews was and is evil. It doesn't denigrate our children to teach them the full horrors of slavery. I don't have to feel guilty because dead white men enslaved dead black people. I do have to feel guilty if I try to make any argument defending what those dead white men did.

Of course that part of our nations history should be taught, and of course it was evil. I'm not defending people who say otherwise. I'm also not saying it's ok to defend what our forefathers did.

I am saying that there is clear hypocrisy going on in our media and our nation. It is very much frowned up to even be proud of a white or European heritage by other races...but we are supposed to be perfectly accepting of their pride in their heritage. I for one have no issue with them being proud of their black or hispanic or asian (etc) roots. But I don't want to be given the look of death or be labeled a Nazi if I claim my pride in my heritage.

Vis
06-28-2013, 04:25 PM
Of course that part of our nations history should be taught, and of course it was evil. I'm not defending people who say otherwise. I'm also not saying it's ok to defend what our forefathers did.

I am saying that there is clear hypocrisy going on in our media and our nation. It is very much frowned up to even be proud of a white or European heritage by other races...but we are supposed to be perfectly accepting of their pride in their heritage. I for one have no issue with them being proud of their black or hispanic or asian (etc) roots. But I don't want to be given the look of death or be labeled a Nazi if I claim my pride in my heritage.

I know you're not. I was taking a shot at what Texas did in 2010.

teegre
06-28-2013, 09:29 PM
Also, good job on calling a Jew a Nazi. I don't think people understand what a Nazi really is.

Ha, ha, ha... you're a Jewish Nazi... (insert clip of Dave Chappelle's black white-supremacist.


http://www.snotr.com/video/3726/Dave_Chappelle

teegre
06-28-2013, 09:40 PM
Should everyone have an equal opportunity in this country? The answer to that question is opinion.

Does everyone actually have an equal opportunity in this country? The answer to that is one of fact, not opinion.

This sums this entire thing up PERFECTLY.

teegre
06-28-2013, 10:51 PM
I was in a class, back in college, called "American History from an African American Perspective." At one point, this white guy says, "Hey, I've felt discriminated against. I used to have long hair, and the cops used to call me names, like 'hippie' and 'long hair'... so, I get it, man."

As I told him, very curtly: "You can cut your hair."

Similar situation, different white person. This white guy told my friend, "I'm blacker than you, because you talk all good & shit."

As I told him, very curtly: "You can cut out that fake-ass draw, and speak proper English."

In case the point wasn't clear: black is black, and most white people don't truly understand what it's like to be black in America.

Sure, white people are the butts of many comedians' jokes... but, getting laughed at (or having long hair) is entirely different than actually being discriminated against.

Chris Rock has nailed many of the best points on race.

"Here's how good it is to be white. There's not a white person in here that would switch places with me... and I'm rich."

Also... on affirmative action...

"A black person shouldn't get a job over a more qualified white person. But, if it's a tie... fuck 'em. They had a four hundred year head start."

And this gem...

"Who's more racist: black people or white people? Black people... because we hate black people, too."

SUMMATION:
Be proud to be white. There is nothing wrong with being proud of who you are. The people who are angry at you for being proud of who you are, I have generally found, are not happy with themselves.

And, Yes, many people are going to dislike white people, because of stuff that happened decades ago. The good news: most white people are far better off than most minorities. If you doubt that, ask yourself if you've ever thought twice about driving through the south... because, moments of fear cross the minds of minorities at even the mention of visiting the south (let alone driving through it).

Lastly, again, be proud.

Oh... and please... don't try to tell a black person that you "understand what they have gone through." Truly, you don't... just as a black person cannot truly empathize with what a white person goes through.

fer522
06-28-2013, 10:56 PM
I was in a class, back in college, called "American History from an African American Perspective." At one point, this white guy says, "Hey, I've felt discriminated against. I used to have long hair, and the cops used to call me names, like 'hippie' and 'long hair'... so, I get it, man."

As I told him, very curtly: "You can cut your hair."

Similar situation, different white person. This white guy told my friend, "I'm blacker than you, because you talk all good & shit."

As I told him, very curtly: "You can cut out that fake-ass draw, and speak proper English."

In case the point wasn't clear: black is black, and most white people don't truly understand what it's like to be black in America.

Sure, white people are the butts of many comedians' jokes... but, getting laughed at (or having long hair) is entirely different than actually being discriminated against.

Chris Rock has nailed many of the best points on race.

"Here's how good it is to be white. There's not a white person in here that would switch places with me... and I'm rich."

Also... on affirmative action...

"A black person shouldn't get a job over a more qualified white person. But, if it's a tie... fuck 'em. They had a four hundred year head start."

And this gem...

"Who's more racist: black people or white people? Black people... because we hate black people, too."

SUMMATION:
Be proud to be white. There is nothing wrong with being proud of who you are. The people who are angry at you for being proud of who you are, I have generally found, are not happy with themselves.

And, Yes, many people are going to dislike white people, because of stuff that happened decades ago. The good news: most white people are far better off than most minorities. If you doubt that, ask yourself if you've ever thought twice about driving through the south... because, moments of fear cross the minds of minorities at even the mention of visiting the south (let alone driving through it).

Lastly, again, be proud.

Oh... and please... don't try to tell a black person that you "understand what they have gone through." Truly, you don't... just as a black person cannot truly empathize with what a white person goes through.


Thank you!!

teegre
06-28-2013, 11:02 PM
Thank you!!

You are very welcome.

MACH1
06-28-2013, 11:12 PM
ask yourself if you've ever thought twice about driving through the south...

Why is it that I hear in my mind 'squeal like a pig' or 'you sure have a purty mouth'.


Joking aside very well said.

Fire Arians
06-28-2013, 11:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWdVwt2deY4

no, it's cool, she's taking it back!

SteelCityMom
06-28-2013, 11:18 PM
I want to make this clear that this isn't about me pretending to know what it's like to be black and discriminated against for that. This is about the hate I've seen and felt from different people just for being who I am. I've felt it from white people and black people alike.

I don't pretend to know what it's like to have ancestors in this country in chains. My ancestors were persecuted in Germany...that's why they left to find a better life here.

My statements were about how it's suddenly not ok to be proud or vocal about our heritage. And how history portrays only white European men as slave traders, which is bullshit. Was slavery in America wrong? Of course it was...but it's not something white people invented.

Ultimately my point is that the more people (or any color, gender, sexuality) portray themselves as the victim, the more that mentality will persist...if that makes any kind of sense.

I posted about what Booker T. Washington had to say on the topic of "problem profiteers" and that applies to more than just black people. Basically what he was saying in a nutshell is that if you want to be seen as more than victim, be more than a victim. That applies to more than just race relations. It's a good lesson for all people.

teegre
06-28-2013, 11:35 PM
SCMom,

To clarify:
I want posting specifically to you... just giving my "two cents" on the issue.

My post was for everyone... Vis, Jon, MURDER16N0, you... everyone.

As far as you being a target of hatred, as I mentioned: people who hate others are not happy with themselves. I know that it's hard not to take that personally, but it's not really that they hate you. It sucks to have to deal with hate, because, alas, there is a lot of misdirected anger in the world.

SteelCityMom
06-28-2013, 11:45 PM
No, I know that teegre...and my post wasn't directed at you either. It's just a touchy subject in a lot of ways.

I don't even want to elaborate on this anymore. I feel like I've made my point clearly enough. I'm just tired of racism being portrayed as a white thing, when it is clearly not.

teegre
06-28-2013, 11:52 PM
I hear you, SCMom.

Racism is an extremely touchy subject. I was about to ask everyone to calmly take a breath and/or step away for a little while... because, people were getting a little "punchy."

PATS16N0
06-29-2013, 10:46 AM
Let me guess, Vis.

Your heroes from WWII were all Soviets, bringing peace and equality to the working class all through out the world, right?

The 20 or so MILLION people they slaughtered and intentionally starved to death prior to Hitler even coming to power were just the eggs that needed to be cracked to make your glorious omelet, right?

P.S. I don't believe at all you're a German.
Maybe your family was from Germany, but I'm guessing by your venom you have for all things Germanic (and even white), that they were of the immigrants that had to leave.

JonM229
06-29-2013, 11:20 AM
I don't see how acknowledging atrocities of the Nazis during WWII is the same as harboring hatred towards one's German heritage. I do believe there's a law in Germany outlawing the denial of the Holocaust. Does Germany hate their heritage?

I'm not saying horrible things haven't been committed elsewhere, but you have to take the good with the bad.

caplovestroyp43
06-29-2013, 01:50 PM
Let me get this straight...

She uses the "N" word in 1986 after being held at gunpoint. Granted, it's a nasty word BUT when you are full of fear, like she must have been, like anyone would have been, things come out of your mouth that you wouldn't normally say.

So if the FN found that out just recently, is that why she got canned? If so, that's is just wrong. Again, I do not condone using the word BUT it should have been taken into consideration HOW it came about. She was probably scared out of her mind at the time...I know I would have been.

BTW I don't much care for her but did I get that right or was that from something recent she did?

Set me straight please. Thank you!

caplovestroyp43
06-29-2013, 02:01 PM
I don't see how acknowledging atrocities of the Nazis during WWII is the same as harboring hatred towards one's German heritage. I do believe there's a law in Germany outlawing the denial of the Holocaust. Does Germany hate their heritage?

I'm not saying horrible things haven't been committed elsewhere, but you have to take the good with the bad.

Well, I'm of German descent and I'm certainly not proud of it because of the very thing you mentioned Jon. Even though I wasn't alive back then, there are no words to describe how dark of a page in history that was and I'm not proud to be German.

I have great respect for the Jews for what they have been through and yet they still keep on keeping on which is a tribute to their spirit and "never say die" attitude.

Granted, there were some descent people in Germany at the time, Oskar Schindler's name immediately comes to mind. He turned out to be a fantastic person and that movie is one of my all time favorites because of it.

Cap

caplovestroyp43
06-29-2013, 02:12 PM
>>most white people are far better off than most minorities<<

I respectfully and I do mean respectfully disagree with that statement. The illegals in this country have it made in the shade. Free EVERYTHING while I have to bust my ass to earn everything I have and I'm an American citizen! They have far more rights than anyone in this country.

Now when it comes to African Americans, I again RESPECTFULLY disagree and here is why. In my area where I grew up, they had one baby after another (still do) and rake in lots of bucks on the ADC program and never have to work a day in their lives because people like me again bust their ass to get what they have to keep lazy people that don't want to work just have babies. And yes, even white people do that I will acknowledge that readily and I feel the same way about them.

I was laid off in 2003 for 31 very long months. I went to welfare for the first time asking for help and you know what? Because I'm single, didn't have 9 million kids by just as many fathers and wasn't disabled, I could get ZERO help. And I had NO income at the time. Nothing. I pay into that worthless system all my life because I work and when I needed it, I got nothing from it. In my humble opinion, all it takes is being a minority to get all the help you need and there is something wrong with the system when it won't give a single person one penny of help. So to say whites are better off is not exactly accurate I do not believe.

SteelCityMom
06-29-2013, 02:43 PM
Let me get this straight...

She uses the "N" word in 1986 after being held at gunpoint. Granted, it's a nasty word BUT when you are full of fear, like she must have been, like anyone would have been, things come out of your mouth that you wouldn't normally say.

So if the FN found that out just recently, is that why she got canned? If so, that's is just wrong. Again, I do not condone using the word BUT it should have been taken into consideration HOW it came about. She was probably scared out of her mind at the time...I know I would have been.

BTW I don't much care for her but did I get that right or was that from something recent she did?

Set me straight please. Thank you!

She's had this whole lawsuit deal going on as well (which is how her using that word in the past came out).

Her and her brother own a few restaurants and they're being sued for allowing discrimination in the workplace (I can't remember if it was them that was accused of using racial slurs, or if it was both them and other employees, or if it was just other employees and they just let it happen...something along those lines), and for sexual harassment in the workplace.

She had admitted in one of her depositions that she's used racial slurs in the past and that's when the whole thing blew up. FN basically just had enough (her ratings were going down anyway from what I hear) and cut ties with the drama.

teegre
06-29-2013, 02:58 PM
Cap,


I hear what you are "trying" to say... but, man alive, it's coming off wrong.

You are saying:
Black people are lazy... and have lots of babies, with lots of fathers, just to get money from welfare.

To borrow a line from Fire Arians: Come on, man!!!

I agree that the welfare system needs a major overhaul. And, I'm sorry that the circumstances were such that you could not benefit from the system. But, your post is the epitome of displaced anger.

You couldn't get benefits. I sympathize.

You blame black people. I cringe.

You blame your situation on black people, because they are lazy & having tons of illegitimate kids. I walk away from the conversation.

A DOSE OF EMPATHY
You are angry at minorities, because you had two & a half bad years. Try two & a half bad centuries.

But, along with the woe of not having any income/the government not helping, let's add: having your mom raped, having your sisters & brothers sold, never knowing your family... shackles, branding, whips, castration... being hosed out of diners, not being allowed to vote, being castrated for dating a white woman... being drug out of your car & beaten by the cops, being drug behind a truck until the meat is ripped off of your bones... hangings, hangings, & more hangings... et cetera...

To clarify:
I bugs me, too, that people (all races) abuse the welfare system, especially when I worked three jobs to put myself through college. BUT, the sins of a few does not damn the many.

Welfare serves a purpose. Many need it. It needs to be overhauled, but it needs to be available... despite the fact that some take advantage of and/or abuse the system.

SteelCityMom
06-29-2013, 03:12 PM
Thank you teeg...I had the same sentiments, but gave up on trying to verbalize it that well lol.

I was in the system too about 10 years ago (my daughters sperm donor skipped town and never paid child support) and even with working, I was struggling a lot.

I won't say it's a race thing...but I was essentially told that I needed to pop out some more babies to get any kind of real help (WIC and $100 in food stamps helped, but they wouldn't do anything about daycare assistance or anything like that).

I'm glad I was mostly denied now, because it made me work that much harder, but it's no joke how ass backwards it's set up.

fer522
06-29-2013, 03:23 PM
We need football ASAP!!!!!!!! :chuckle:

caplovestroyp43
06-29-2013, 04:17 PM
Cap,


I hear what you are "trying" to say... but, man alive, it's coming off wrong.

You are saying:
Black people are lazy... and have lots of babies, with lots of fathers, just to get money from welfare.

To borrow a line from Fire Arians: Come on, man!!!

I agree that the welfare system needs a major overhaul. And, I'm sorry that the circumstances were such that you could not benefit from the system. But, your post is the epitome of displaced anger.

You couldn't get benefits. I sympathize.

You blame black people. I cringe.

You blame your situation on black people, because they are lazy & having tons of illegitimate kids. I walk away from the conversation.

A DOSE OF EMPATHY
You are angry at minorities, because you had two & a half bad years. Try two & a half bad centuries.

But, along with the woe of not having any income/the government not helping, let's add: having your mom raped, having your sisters & brothers sold, never knowing your family... shackles, branding, whips, castration... being hosed out of diners, not being allowed to vote, being castrated for dating a white woman... being drug out of your car & beaten by the cops, being drug behind a truck until the meat is ripped off of your bones... hangings, hangings, & more hangings... et cetera...

To clarify:
I bugs me, too, that people (all races) abuse the welfare system, especially when I worked three jobs to put myself through college. BUT, the sins of a few does not damn the many.

Welfare serves a purpose. Many need it. It needs to be overhauled, but it needs to be available... despite the fact that some take advantage of and/or abuse the system.

No, I said it was BOTH races that do that not just the African Americans. I agree the system needs overhauled big time. There needs to be work for benefit type thing that the jackass president did away with when he first got into office. And the more he caters to those people, the more they will get while you and I will suffer because we choose work over handouts.

PATS16N0
06-29-2013, 05:03 PM
Well, I'm of German descent and I'm certainly not proud of it because of the very thing you mentioned Jon. Even though I wasn't alive back then, there are no words to describe how dark of a page in history that was and I'm not proud to be German.

I have great respect for the Jews for what they have been through and yet they still keep on keeping on which is a tribute to their spirit and "never say die" attitude.

Granted, there were some descent people in Germany at the time, Oskar Schindler's name immediately comes to mind. He turned out to be a fantastic person and that movie is one of my all time favorites because of it.

Cap

Communism and it's 20th century body count of 500 million corpses say hello.
Must be nice to sit in the security of modern day America and pass judgement on the Germans who had the mass-murdering Soviet butcher-shop on their BORDER and decided not to fight it by singing Barney the Purple Dinosaur songs. God forbid you ever find yourself and your FAMILY in a similar situation.

But I guess because the History Channel doesn't show the horrors of turning half of Western civilization into a Communist prison camp, complete with spooky music, the Germans are the worst people in the entire history of the human race.

http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/japanese-internment-camp-3.jpg

http://lanternreview.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/internment-image.jpg

Here's America's concentration camps for the Japanese. Had Japan wiped out our Pacific fleet and began landing armies in California, slaughtering and raping every American they saw as they pushed East, American soldiers would of shot them all long before Imperial liberation arrived. Understand that? Had the Japanese armies started conquering American land, slaughtering American citizens as they marched forward, these would of become death camps.

That's how Total War works. Not play War, like our wars in Iraq, but TOTAL WAR, where if you lose you face absolute annihilation, instead of a political black eye.

But don't let that stop you from passing your supreme judgement on people in a desperate fight for their very survival against an Allied back lunatic named Joseph Stalin who had butchered more people during peace time than the Germans ever did while being faced with the question of `To be or not to be.`

Western Civilization as a Communist prison camp from Berlin eastward = noble victory against evil.

lol.

MACH1
06-29-2013, 05:12 PM
Communism and it's 20th century body count of 500 million corpses say hello.
Must be nice to sit in the security of modern day America and pass judgement on the Germans who had the mass-murdering Soviet butcher-shop on their BORDER and decided not to fight it by singing Barney the Purple Dinosaur songs. God forbid you ever find yourself and your FAMILY in a similar situation.

But I guess because the History Channel doesn't show the horrors of turning half of Western civilization into a Communist prison camp, complete with spooky music, the Germans are the worst people in the entire history of the human race.

http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/japanese-internment-camp-3.jpg

http://lanternreview.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/internment-image.jpg

Here's America's concentration camps for the Japanese. Had Japan wiped out our Pacific fleet and began landing armies in California, slaughtering and raping every American they saw as they pushed East, American soldiers would of shot them all long before Imperial liberation arrived. Understand that? Had the Japanese armies started conquering American land, slaughtering American citizens as they marched forward, these would of become death camps.

That's how Total War works. Not play War, like our wars in Iraq, but TOTAL WAR, where if you lose you face absolute annihilation, instead of a political black eye.

But don't let that stop you from passing your supreme judgement on people in a desperate fight for their very survival against an Allied back lunatic named Joseph Stalin who had butchered more people during peace time than the Germans ever did while being faced with the question of `To be or not to be.`

Western Civilization as a Communist prison camp from Berlin eastward = noble victory against evil.

lol.

You may want to go do some homework.

Question: Who was the Bloodiest Tyrant of the 20th Century?
Answer: We don't know.

That's probably the saddest fact of the Twentieth Century. There are so many candidates for the award of top monster that we can't decide between them. Whether it's Adolf Hitler, Mao Zedong or Joseph Stalin is, quite frankly, anybody's guess.

For now, let's just skip over the whole margin of error thing -- reasonable people have studied the evidence and come up with wildly differing numbers. You're free to check my sources, but for now, trust me. I've studied the matter at great length and decided that the most likely death toll for these three are:

TYRANT DEATHS
Mao 40Million
Hitler 34M
Stalin 20M

Well, that certainly looks like Mao is our man, but wait. Mao's largest crime is the Great Leap Forward, a bungled attempt to restructure the economy of China which created a famine that killed some 30M. If we confine our indictment to deliberate killings, we get this:

TYRANT KILLINGS
Hitler 34M
Stalin 20M
Mao 10M

http://necrometrics.com/tyrants.htm

PATS16N0
06-29-2013, 05:19 PM
You may want to go do some homework.



http://necrometrics.com/tyrants.htm

Those are deaths from wars. They include soldier casualties that get layed on Germany because it's convenient.

6 million Jews which has been revised by Jewish historians down to about 4.2 million, which was largely the result of starvation after the allied bombing campaign got under way. Where do you get the other 30 million from? 30 million gypsies? lol
Not likely.

Those are casualty numbers from WARFARE.
Stalin and Mao's numbers are their own freaking people. Farmers, political dissidents, etc, and 20 million was the Bolshevik body count before World War II even started. His numbers are being drastically suppressed from that source, which isn't a surprise because Communist body counts are often suppressed by left-wing Commie apologists.

In other words, those numbers are absolutely absurd.

MACH1
06-29-2013, 05:21 PM
:doh:

PATS16N0
06-29-2013, 05:22 PM
In other words, it's taking only the citizens and innocents Stalin massacred, and applying those numbers to him, and for the German's they're applying war blame and applying every last casualty of war, German, Russian, English, French, etc, and applying it to Hitler, and yet it still looks way too high.

To sum it up, those numbers are basically crap.

MACH1
06-29-2013, 05:39 PM
Does it really matter? Killing is killing whenever or how it happens.

Hitler vs. Stalin: Who Killed More?

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/mar/10/hitler-vs-stalin-who-killed-more/?pagination=false

PATS16N0
06-29-2013, 05:56 PM
Does it really matter? Killing is killing whenever or how it happens.

People say that, but they liked to say it out one side of their mouth while with the other claiming the Germans were some evil, insidious people, when they were fighting the mass murdering Soviet Union under the most horrific of circumstances.

Is killing still killing when American bombers were intentionally leveling civilian populations with the most brutal fire bombing campaign in human history?
Or is that acceptable mass killing?

Americans annihilate the entire Native American population, kill hundreds of thousands of their own in civil war, get involved in WWI, commit war-crimes by any definition of the term against Germany through out WWII and help Stalin turn Europe into a concentration camp.

But that's cool.

The English... Well, if we get into what the english have done through out their Imperial history, we'll be here awhile.

The Soviets murder and systematically starve 20 million of its own citizens before WWII even breaks out...
That's cool, too... Cool enough to be our allies.

But the Germans... well, they went after an ethnic minority that was well known for trying to foment Communist revolutions in every Western nation at the time, preaching violent over throws of the traditional monarchy's and governments... and when the Germans put them into prisons... Well, now we have ourselves the most evil despot of all time, and we need to turn their entire nation -the center of Western civilization at that time- into ash.

Everyone else gets a pass, Uncle Joe included.

teegre
06-29-2013, 06:01 PM
GUM16N0,

Here's an analogy:

Richard Ramirez might not have killed as many people as John Wayne Gacy... but, I'm not letting either one watch my kids.

Atlanta Dan
06-29-2013, 06:03 PM
There needs to be work for benefit type thing that the jackass president did away with when he first got into office. .

Link? (Drudge and Breitbart do not count)

My guess is you are rolling with "facts" from an ad the dysfunctional Romney campaign ran last summer - those claims were trashed

A Mitt Romney TV ad claims the Obama administration has adopted “a plan to gut welfare reform by dropping work requirements.” The plan does neither of those things.

Work requirements are not simply being “dropped.” States may now change the requirements — revising, adding or eliminating them — as part of a federally approved state-specific plan to increase job placement.

And it won’t “gut” the 1996 law to ease the requirement. Benefits still won’t be paid beyond an allotted time, whether the recipient is working or not.

Romney’s ad also distorts the facts when it says that under President Obama’s plan “you wouldn’t have to work and wouldn’t have to train for a job.” The law never required all welfare recipients to work. Only 29 percent of those receiving cash assistance met the work requirement by the time President Obama took office.

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/08/does-obamas-plan-gut-welfare-reform/

PATS16N0
06-29-2013, 06:03 PM
http://www.americaslibrary.gov/assets/jb/wwii/jb_wwii_stalin_1_e.jpg

Here's a picture that should make every free-thinking American sick to their stomach.

The truth is, it's pretty damn hard to justify American foreign policy in 1939 without raising 1945 to do it, which doesn't make sense.
The craziness of the German concentration camps was a result of the craziness of the war, which was a result of very evil men thinking German militarism was a threat to international banking gangsters and Soviet sympathizers of the time.

Or was Poland's dictatorship that important to you, that Germany just had to be turned into rubble over it and half of Europe given to Stalin the psychopath?

The entire affair was one giant exercise in naive Soviet sympathizers worried their fellow-traveler dream world was going to be defeated by the German army.

P.S. The Germans tried to achieve peace with the British and the Americans numerous times, and bent over backwards trying to achieve it.

Soviet sympathizers in America, and English too proud to see Germany become the new European power, wouldn't stand for it.

Enjoy your victory.

Isn't the world great today?

harrison'samonster
06-29-2013, 06:05 PM
People say that, but they liked to say it out one side of their mouth while with the other claiming the Germans were some evil, insidious people, when they were fighting the mass murdering Soviet Union under the most horrific of circumstances.

Is killing still killing when American bombers were intentionally leveling civilian populations with the most brutal fire bombing campaign in human history?
Or is that acceptable mass killing?

Americans annihilate the entire Native American population, kill hundreds of thousands of their own in civil war, get involved in WWI, commit war-crimes by any definition of the term against Germany through out WWII and help Stalin turn Europe into a concentration camp.

But that's cool.

The English... Well, if we get into what the english have done through out their Imperial history, we'll be here awhile.

The Soviets murder and systematically starve 20 million of its own citizens before WWII even breaks out...
That's cool, too... Cool enough to be our allies.

But the Germans... well, they went after an ethnic minority that was well known for trying to foment Communist revolutions in every Western nation at the time, preaching violent over throws of the traditional monarchy's and governments... and when the Germans put them into prisons... Well, now we have ourselves the most evil despot of all time, and we need to turn their entire nation -the center of Western civilization at that time- into ash.

Everyone else gets a pass, Uncle Joe included.

are you trying to defend the holocaust?

PATS16N0
06-29-2013, 06:09 PM
And since you're going to ask, Yes, I despise Communism and know it for what it is - the most hideous evil in the whole history of mankind.

The Western powers should of guaranteed Germany's Western flank and helped them wipe the Soviet Union off the face of the earth. Had that happened, the world would be a much better place today.

I realize it takes some semblance of independent thinking to arrive at this conclusion, instead of saying a bunch of crap like "Germany was the most evil nation ever," but it is what it is. The Germans in 1939 were no different than the Americans of 1939, just they had the misfortune of being completely surrounded and pitted against a vile despot who wanted to export his craziness to every corner of the earth by any means necessary.

Context.

It changes everything.

PATS16N0
06-29-2013, 06:10 PM
are you trying to defend the holocaust?

Are you defending Stalinism?

Buddha Bus
06-29-2013, 06:11 PM
Are you defending Stalinism?

So..... that's not a "no".:nervous:

PATS16N0
06-29-2013, 06:12 PM
So..... that's not a "no".:nervous:

I'm saying it could have been avoided all together, just like the entire war could have been avoided all together. That isn't the same as defending.
But it seems everyone else is perfectly fine with Stalinism. Uncle Joe, great American ally.

JonM229
06-29-2013, 06:13 PM
I didn't know David Duke was a member on here

Buddha Bus
06-29-2013, 06:13 PM
I'm saying it could have been avoided all together, just like the entire war could have been avoided all together. That isn't the same as defending.
But it seems everyone else is perfectly fine with Stalinism. Uncle Joe, great American ally.

Who's backing Stalinism again? :huh:

PATS16N0
06-29-2013, 06:13 PM
You guys do realize the Holocaust did not begin until 1944, right?
That why America was so dead set on helping the Soviet Union defend itself from the German army.... in the 1930's?

harrison'samonster
06-29-2013, 06:14 PM
you just seem to think it's ok that millions of jews were slaughtered because they were a vicious minority pushing for violent revolutions in every country.

Hitler wanted piece, piece, piece.

PATS16N0
06-29-2013, 06:14 PM
Right.
Because anyone who is against the Soviet Union is David Duke lol.

MACH1
06-29-2013, 06:15 PM
:facepalm:

Just think how different it could be if hitler were allowed to continue on and wipe out every jew on the face of the planet.

PATS16N0
06-29-2013, 06:15 PM
you just seem to think it's ok that millions of jews were slaughtered because they were a vicious minority pushing for violent revolutions in every country.

Hitler wanted piece, piece, piece.

You seem to think its ok that tens of millions of Germans were slaughtered because they were defending themselves against Marxism and the armies of the Soviet Union.

Stalin wanted peace, peace, peace.

harrison'samonster
06-29-2013, 06:16 PM
Right.
Because anyone who is against the Soviet Union is David Duke lol.

anybody who is defending the holocaust because it wasn't commited by communists is certainly A-OK! :thumbsup:

PATS16N0
06-29-2013, 06:17 PM
:facepalm:

Just think how different it could be if hitler were allowed to continue on and wipe out every jew on the face of the planet.

How in the hell is Germany going to wipe out every Jew on the face of the planet? lol
You do know that he tried to make arrangements for them on multiple occasions right?
You do know that he wanted other nations to take them and nobody would right?

You know the Germans wanted to help set the Jews up in Palestine right?

You know that they didn't start wiping out their Jewish prisoners until the very end of World War II right?

harrison'samonster
06-29-2013, 06:19 PM
so Hitler was helping the jews?

teegre
06-29-2013, 06:20 PM
Now when it comes to African Americans, I again RESPECTFULLY disagree and here is why. In my area where I grew up, they had one baby after another (still do) and rake in lots of bucks on the ADC program and never have to work a day in their lives because people like me again bust their ass to get what they have to keep lazy people that don't want to work just have babies. And yes, even white people do that I will acknowledge that readily and I feel the same way about them.

No, I said it was BOTH races that do that not just the African Americans..

You respectfully disagreed (with my contention that "most white people are far better off than most minorities")... saying that African Americans do not have it harder, and you cite welfare as the reason. But, then you say that it's also white people who are abusing the welfare system, in the same exact way. Ergo, we agree: welfare is equally misused by minorities and whites.

So, in that case, the one area that you had originally cited as an "advantage" for African Americans (welfare) is in fact not an "advantage" at all.

In turn, by default, you also agree that most white people are far better off than most minorities... right?

Or, are you going to tell me (again) that African Americans are lazy and have one baby after another (still do) and rake in lots of bucks on the ADC program and never have to work a day in their lives?

(Please, just tell me that you agree with me.)

PATS16N0
06-29-2013, 06:22 PM
Communism won World War II. You can pretend it didn't, and can pretend "Democracy won World War II," but that isn't the case at all, because Democracy was never threatened in WWII (unless you're daft enough to believe the very power that didn't think it was safe enough to cross the English channel was going to cross the Atlantic ocean `to kill all our Jews here`

America aided Joseph Stalin in conquering half of Europe. That is what happened in WWII. You can spin it anyway you want, but that's what happened. It was a war between Germany and the Soviet Union, with the allies bombing the hell out of Germany and invading from its other flank.

Good job. You're all such good guys.

Vis
06-29-2013, 06:25 PM
The important question here is whether Pat and Cap will marry and start a Klan of their own.

PATS16N0
06-29-2013, 06:26 PM
Hitler wanted the Jews out of Germany.

Anyone who has ever advocated for the deportation our 20 million illegals, welcome to hypocrisy.

And before you say "We don't want to kill them," the death didn't begin until 1944, when the German army and SS were getting bombed into dust from every direction, and getting letters informing them their mothers, daughters and sons were incinerated by American bombers on one flank with the allied supported COMMUNIST ARMIES advancing on them from another.

Under those sort of circumstances, you can EXPECT real bad shit to happen.

Communism won World War II. You can praise that or you can not praise it, but you don't get to pretend that isn't what happen because it makes you feel good.

teegre
06-29-2013, 06:27 PM
:facepalm:

Just think how different it could be if hitler were allowed to continue on and wipe out every jew on the face of the planet.

Jon wouldn't be posting here? :noidea: (:wink02:)

harrison'samonster
06-29-2013, 06:27 PM
so your saying Hitler was defending the world against Stalin, in order to protect Jewish people who he tried to set up in Palestine. And when Democracies bumbled their way into the war we forced Hitler's hand to just wipe out the jews?

Atlanta Dan
06-29-2013, 06:29 PM
How in the hell is Germany going to wipe out every Jew on the face of the planet? lol
You do know that he tried to make arrangements for them on multiple occasions right?
You do know that he wanted other nations to take them and nobody would right?

You know the Germans wanted to help set the Jews up in Palestine right?

You know that they didn't start wiping out their Jewish prisoners until the very end of World War II right?

Do you have any reputable academic sources (Mein Kampf and The Protocols of Zion do not count) for this bullshit about the peace loving Nazis you are spewing throughout this thread?:noidea:

I am old enough to have Jewish acquaintances who had family members murdered by the Nazis and find your comments to be some of the most offensive and historically ignorant tripe I have encountered since I have been posting here

PATS16N0
06-29-2013, 06:34 PM
so your saying Hitler was defending the world against Stalin, in order to protect Jewish people who he tried to set up in Palestine. And when Democracies bumbled their way into the war we forced Hitler's hand to just wipe out the jews?

Hitler's primary military objective was to physically wipe Marxism off the face of the Earth.
Despite all the spooky music on the history channel, I consider Operation Barbarossa the most justifiable use of military power in human history.

The Germans would have been perfectly fine helping the Jewish people establish themselves in Palestine, or send them to America, etc. America refused. The English refused. These are irrefutable facts. Irrefutable.

It's also a well known fact that the Germans tries to establish friendly relations with both America and the English, so that he could attack the Soviet Union without getting crushed, and they wouldn't have it.

It's also a well known fact that the English and French declared war on Germany, not the other way around.

It's also a well known fact that the terms for WWI's outcome were ridiculous and designed to crush the nation.

Honestly, it's already evident your children are going to get the world you deserve. You buy into political propaganda and nonsense and support the Soviet Union's conquest of the nation. Today Marxism is conquering the United States from the inside out.

Let me guess, you also believe the Germans, who were probably the most civilized people on the planet, were making "lampshades of Jewish skin," right?
Nice decoration of human flesh to put near the Christmas tree? lol

teegre
06-29-2013, 06:34 PM
Joseph Stalin, Idi Amin, Adolf Hitler, Mao Tse Tung, and Pol Pot walk into a bar.

GUM16N0 begins discussing which one he likes the best.

PATS16N0
06-29-2013, 06:36 PM
Do you have any reputable academic sources (Mein Kampf and The Protocols of Zion do not count) for this bullshit about the peace loving Nazis you are spewing throughout this thread?:noidea:

I am old enough to have Jewish acquaintances who had family members murdered by the Nazis and find your comments to be some of the most offensive and historically ignorant tripe I have encountered since I have been posting here

Cool. Nearly my entire family tree was annihilated trying to defend Europe and Western civilization from the advancing Soviet Union, so to be quite honest, I don't give a flying fuck.

harrison'samonster
06-29-2013, 06:39 PM
Pats16no makes patsfaninpittsburgh seem like a stand up guy.

hey pats16n0, were your relatives fighting for Hitler by any chance?

SteelCityMom
06-29-2013, 06:40 PM
Communism won World War II. You can pretend it didn't, and can pretend "Democracy won World War II," but that isn't the case at all, because Democracy was never threatened in WWII (unless you're daft enough to believe the very power that didn't think it was safe enough to cross the English channel was going to cross the Atlantic ocean `to kill all our Jews here`

America aided Joseph Stalin in conquering half of Europe. That is what happened in WWII. You can spin it anyway you want, but that's what happened. It was a war between Germany and the Soviet Union, with the allies bombing the hell out of Germany and invading from its other flank.

Good job. You're all such good guys.


It really is interesting to dig deeper into the issue...because you are certainly right about the Soviet aspect of it. And anybody that does even a minimal amount of research can find many more examples of the US propping up dangerous regimes...it's even going on right now.

It does at times sound like you are defending the ultimate actions of what Hitler did. He did start to get a little coo coo for coco puffs at the end, and he did have very clear opinions on his master race. IMO, neither side was in the right. But I do very much understand that the Germans (both military and citizens) were terrified of the communist Soviets.

There are certain things that can't be forgiven on the German side of it though. And top leaders admitted their atrocities, so it's not revisionist history.

I think what everyone is getting worked up about is that they think your apologetic for what the Germans did.

Good info though for the most part...and anyone willing to look at the situation without extreme emotion will realize that the Germans weren't the only ones doing bad things. Stalin was indeed murdering his own people (which included Jews) in much the same fashion that Hitler was while we were allies with them. Churchill knew it and FDR knew it...and they decided that Stalin was the one to back (at the time).


Another fact that few people know about...Churchill wanted to go to war with Russia in '45 (he was booted from office shortly after WWII though, because he was an obvious warmonger). Guess who he wanted to ally with? That's right...Germany.

It's never going to be acceptable to defend what Germany did in any way though...and although some of what they did was indefensible, some of it (as you've stated) is exactly what the US would have done in the same situation (with Japan). It's an uncomfortable truth.

And no...I'm not a fan of David Duke, or the KKK or anything. I just try to take the emotional blinders off sometimes when I'm researching history. There are enough "two wrongs don't make a right" stories in history to make your head spin...but since history is written by the victors and that jazz.

harrison'samonster
06-29-2013, 06:41 PM
Today Marxism is conquering the United States from the inside out.

Let me guess, you also believe the Germans, who were probably the most civilized people on the planet, were making "lampshades of Jewish skin," right?
Nice decoration of human flesh to put near the Christmas tree? lol

how often since the 1200s have the Germans NOT been at war?

Atlanta Dan
06-29-2013, 06:41 PM
Cool. Nearly my entire family tree was annihilated trying to defend Europe and Western civilization from the advancing Soviet Union, so to be quite honest, I don't give a flying fuck.

So it is your personal opinion and pretty much nothing more than that?

SteelCityMom
06-29-2013, 06:42 PM
so your saying Hitler was defending the world against Stalin, in order to protect Jewish people who he tried to set up in Palestine. And when Democracies bumbled their way into the war we forced Hitler's hand to just wipe out the jews?

No, he definitely wasn't trying to protect the world...or even Jews. He was just trying to protect Germany from Stalin.

SteelCityMom
06-29-2013, 06:48 PM
Carry on with the discussion, those are just my own thoughts. All I can say is that it is something that deserves to be looked at from both sides, because you quickly realize that there was a lot more going on than meets the eye. And there were a lot of villians playing their wargames.

PATS16N0
06-29-2013, 06:48 PM
Another fact that few people know about...Churchill wanted to go to war with Russia in '45 (he was booted from office shortly after WWII though, because he was an obvious warmonger). Guess who he wanted to ally with? That's right...Germany..

One correction.
It wasn't Churchill who wanted to attack the Soviet Union. It was the great American hero, General Patton, who wanted to rearm the SS and use them to wipe the Soviet Union out (he was a few years late to the party.)

He ended WWII strongly believing that America had picked the wrong side.
He was right.

He died in a mysterious car crash shortly after voicing his opinions.

harrison'samonster
06-29-2013, 06:51 PM
some other wonderful facts: Churchill was a lousy painter. Hitler was a wonderful painter.

Atlanta Dan
06-29-2013, 06:52 PM
One correction.
It wasn't Churchill who wanted to attack the Soviet Union. It was the great American hero, General Patton, who wanted to rearm the SS and use them to wipe the Soviet Union out (he was a few years late to the party.)

He ended WWII strongly believing that America had picked the wrong side.:banging:
He was right.

He died in a mysterious car crash shortly after voicing his opinions.

It was Churchill too

Operation Unthinkable: Churchill’s plan to start World War III

http://indrus.in/blogs/2013/06/13/operation_unthinkable_churchills_plan_to_start_wor ld_war_iii_26091.html

The British generals responded to Churchill's request for a plan then blew him off

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable

See how links to sources work?

harrison'samonster
06-29-2013, 06:53 PM
so, pats16no, were your relatives nazis?

SteelCityMom
06-29-2013, 06:59 PM
I think this can be discussed without calling each other Nazi's.

Does anyone see now how being German can lead to this? Step out of line of the official US government sponsored narrative, and you're a Nazi.

Atlanta Dan
06-29-2013, 07:01 PM
I think this can be discussed without calling each other Nazi's.

Does anyone see now how being German can lead to this? Step out of line of the official US government sponsored narrative, and you're a Nazi.

I was calling the Nazis Nazis:noidea::chuckle:

harrison'samonster
06-29-2013, 07:02 PM
I think this can be discussed without calling each other Nazi's.

Does anyone see now how being German can lead to this? Step out of line of the official US government sponsored narrative, and you're a Nazi.

i think your misreading my comment. I wasn't calling him a Nazi at all. I was just curious if his relatives were Nazis. And I still am, his viewpoint would make a lot more sense.

Edit: It doesn't make it right though

harrison'samonster
06-29-2013, 07:05 PM
i mean, if I thought my relatives commited horrible atrocities I might construct some sort of fairy tale in which they were really trying to save the most civilized society in the best of all possible worlds.

SteelCityMom
06-29-2013, 07:08 PM
I know...didn't mean to jump to conclusions on you. I do know you're all thinking it though.

Here's something most people don't like to consider either. Hitler was too stupid to win that war. And if he had somehow gotten lucky enough to take over all of Western Europe, Stalin was right there waiting to trample him.

Hitler went full retard in a lot of ways, and because he was the least powerful of the dictators at the time, that's why FDR and Churchill decided to back Stalin.

WWII was a giant clusterfuck of evil, basically. There really weren't any "good guys". Even the British were killing people (British Raj) while WWII was going on. None can take the high ground on this.

Bane
06-29-2013, 07:12 PM
If only Inglourious Basterds really happened.

Vis
06-29-2013, 07:12 PM
When was hitler not coocoo? I'd love to hear about those good days.

teegre
06-29-2013, 07:12 PM
I was calling the Nazis Nazis:noidea::chuckle:

Maybe you should have been calling them "heroes"...??? :noidea:

harrison'samonster
06-29-2013, 07:16 PM
I know...didn't mean to jump to conclusions on you. I do know you're all thinking it though.

Here's something most people don't like to consider either. Hitler was too stupid to win that war. And if he had somehow gotten lucky enough to take over all of Western Europe, Stalin was right there waiting to trample him.

Hitler went full retard in a lot of ways, and because he was the least powerful of the dictators at the time, that's why FDR and Churchill decided to back Stalin.

WWII was a giant clusterfuck of evil, basically. There really weren't any "good guys". Even the British were killing people (British Raj) while WWII was going on. None can take the high ground on this.

all very true! anytime you've got a war there's going to be terrible things happening. Soldiers aren't choir boys, and the politicians who are in charge certainly aren't trustworthy

And your right, I was picturing pats16no as Kenneth Mars from the Producers, but I was trying to refrain from saying it.

SteelCityMom
06-29-2013, 07:20 PM
all very true! anytime you've got a war there's going to be terrible things happening. Soldiers aren't choir boys, and the politicians who are in charge certainly aren't trustworthy

Exactly...and while I don't share the same viewpoint that Germany was doing what they did for all the right reasons, much of what Pats has stated is indeed fairly true. What Germany ultimately did to protect itself was wrong, but it's also true that it wasn't exactly getting help for what they were ultimately going to face (which was to be part of Stalin's gulags).

They had Mussolini on their side, and that's about it. Talk about hanging by a thread.

Japan was technically part of the Axis, but they didn't really have much dealings with Germany. They just didn't want to be overtaken by Red China and Russia any more than the Germans did.

Vis
06-29-2013, 07:25 PM
These defenses of hitler just tells us the the phrase never forget is foolish. People always forget. The idea that thinking hitler was evil from the start is just falling for some false official government version shows the flaws of history instruction. His speeches before he gained power are available for anyone to read. Do that and then try to say he was ever anything but an enemy to all Jews and all people not fitting his vision of superiority. I have no patience for his defenders whether they do so out of the same sick beliefs or out of ignorance. Of course that's just my opinion. Quick quiz, everyone knows what Jews in the camps had to wear as they awaited death, yellow stars. Anyone know the other symbols worn by the doomed of other kinds the poor misunderstood adolf ordered?

harrison'samonster
06-29-2013, 07:27 PM
pink triangles?

Atlanta Dan
06-29-2013, 07:28 PM
And your right, I was picturing pats16no as Kenneth Mars from the Producers, but I was trying to refrain from saying it.

Not calling him a Nazi - just wondering if this is his favorite song?:noidea:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmYIo7bcUw

Vis
06-29-2013, 07:34 PM
“The struggle for world domination will be fought entirely between us, between Germans and Jews. All else is facade and illusion. Behind England stands Israel, and behind France, and behind the United States. Even when we have driven the Jew out of Germany, he remains our world enemy.

“...the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew.”
“The Ten Commandments have lost their validity. Conscience is a Jewish invention, it is a blemish like circumcision.”

“. . . the discovery of the Jewish virus is one of the greatest revolutions that has taken place in the world. The battle in which we are engaged today is of the same sort as the battle waged, during the last century, by Pasteur and Koch. How many diseases have their origin in the Jewish virus! ... We shall regain our health only be eliminating the Jew.”


Guess the speaker

Vis
06-29-2013, 07:34 PM
“The struggle for world domination will be fought entirely between us, between Germans and Jews. All else is facade and illusion. Behind England stands Israel, and behind France, and behind the United States. Even when we have driven the Jew out of Germany, he remains our world enemy.

“...the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew.”
“The Ten Commandments have lost their validity. Conscience is a Jewish invention, it is a blemish like circumcision.”

“. . . the discovery of the Jewish virus is one of the greatest revolutions that has taken place in the world. The battle in which we are engaged today is of the same sort as the battle waged, during the last century, by Pasteur and Koch. How many diseases have their origin in the Jewish virus! ... We shall regain our health only be eliminating the Jew.”


Guess the speaker

Atlanta Dan
06-29-2013, 07:35 PM
“The struggle for world domination will be fought entirely between us, between Germans and Jews. All else is facade and illusion. Behind England stands Israel, and behind France, and behind the United States. Even when we have driven the Jew out of Germany, he remains our world enemy.

“...the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew.”
“The Ten Commandments have lost their validity. Conscience is a Jewish invention, it is a blemish like circumcision.”

“. . . the discovery of the Jewish virus is one of the greatest revolutions that has taken place in the world. The battle in which we are engaged today is of the same sort as the battle waged, during the last century, by Pasteur and Koch. How many diseases have their origin in the Jewish virus! ... We shall regain our health only be eliminating the Jew.”


Guess the speaker

Stalin?

SteelCityMom
06-29-2013, 07:35 PM
Maybe you should have been calling them "heroes"...??? :noidea:

Speaking of heroes...if you ever want to hear something that is truly scary, you should look into what Oliver Stone has to say about Stalin.

He calls him the hero of WWII...like Stalin was ever in danger of being defeated by Germany.

caplovestroyp43
06-29-2013, 07:36 PM
Communism and it's 20th century body count of 500 million corpses say hello.
Must be nice to sit in the security of modern day America and pass judgement on the Germans who had the mass-murdering Soviet butcher-shop on their BORDER and decided not to fight it by singing Barney the Purple Dinosaur songs. God forbid you ever find yourself and your FAMILY in a similar situation.

But I guess because the History Channel doesn't show the horrors of turning half of Western civilization into a Communist prison camp, complete with spooky music, the Germans are the worst people in the entire history of the human race.

http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/japanese-internment-camp-3.jpg

http://lanternreview.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/internment-image.jpg

Here's America's concentration camps for the Japanese. Had Japan wiped out our Pacific fleet and began landing armies in California, slaughtering and raping every American they saw as they pushed East, American soldiers would of shot them all long before Imperial liberation arrived. Understand that? Had the Japanese armies started conquering American land, slaughtering American citizens as they marched forward, these would of become death camps.

That's how Total War works. Not play War, like our wars in Iraq, but TOTAL WAR, where if you lose you face absolute annihilation, instead of a political black eye.

But don't let that stop you from passing your supreme judgement on people in a desperate fight for their very survival against an Allied back lunatic named Joseph Stalin who had butchered more people during peace time than the Germans ever did while being faced with the question of `To be or not to be.`

Western Civilization as a Communist prison camp from Berlin eastward = noble victory against evil.

lol.

Spoken like a true, twisted Pats* fan that is NOT what I said. Read it again. I hate being German because of the Holocaust. Is that simpler for you to understand or must I spell it out to you?

::SIGH::

caplovestroyp43
06-29-2013, 07:39 PM
The important question here is whether Pat and Cap will marry and start a Klan of their own.

The answer here is you have used one too many of your very limited brain cells. Typical stupid man. And again, to my male friends on this board, I refer ONLY to Vis and not to you folks.

SteelCityMom
06-29-2013, 07:39 PM
Cap...don't hate being German because of what a few psychopaths did. If you hate being German because of the Holocaust, then you have to hate being an American too...because they were prepared to do the same thing with the Japanese. And have done the same thing to Native Americans in the past. Those are just the two most obvious examples.

There is a lot more to German heritage than the Holocaust.

harrison'samonster
06-29-2013, 07:40 PM
“The struggle for world domination will be fought entirely between us, between Germans and Jews. All else is facade and illusion. Behind England stands Israel, and behind France, and behind the United States. Even when we have driven the Jew out of Germany, he remains our world enemy.

“...the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew.”
“The Ten Commandments have lost their validity. Conscience is a Jewish invention, it is a blemish like circumcision.”

“. . . the discovery of the Jewish virus is one of the greatest revolutions that has taken place in the world. The battle in which we are engaged today is of the same sort as the battle waged, during the last century, by Pasteur and Koch. How many diseases have their origin in the Jewish virus! ... We shall regain our health only be eliminating the Jew.”


Guess the speaker

tinky-winky! it must have been Stalin. Hitler was trying to save the Jews.

caplovestroyp43
06-29-2013, 07:41 PM
I have always believed that Hitler and his Henchmen were very intelligent. Had to be to pull something like that off. HOWEVER sadly, they used that intelligence for all the WRONG REASONS.

teegre
06-29-2013, 07:41 PM
Speaking of heroes...if you ever want to hear something that is truly scary, you should look into what Oliver Stone has to say about Stalin.

He calls him the hero of WWII...like Stalin was ever in danger of being defeated by Germany.

All of this seems a little "silly" to me. It's like two parents sitting around, discussing which baby-sitter is better: the pedophile or the murderer.

Right?

Hilter = evil
Stalin = evil
Mao = evil

Why is this even being discussed, as if any of them is a "good guy"?

(Again, not directed at you, Mom... just replying to you... because, you listen well.)

SteelCityMom
06-29-2013, 07:43 PM
I have always believed that Hitler and his Henchmen were very intelligent. Had to be to pull something like that off. HOWEVER sadly, they used that intelligence for all the WRONG REASONS.

But they weren't very intelligent.


Hitler, in addition to being the go-to example in every bad debate, has sort of become history's supervillain. Hitler was the Lex Luthor to the non-Aryan Superman.
Why it's Bullshit:
Since there are no cheap shots when it comes to Hitler, let's get this out of the way: Do you have any idea how hard it is to get rejected by an art school? Chris Ofili got into art school, and he painted a Virgin Mary using fecal matter.

Yet Hitler failed his entrance exam. Twice. And his cognitive failings continued long after academia. The guy was like the polar-opposite of Charlie Brown: shitty at everything, yet unbelievably successful.
His Munich Beer Putsch was basically one enormous "let's get arrested!" day event, yet he somehow got away with serving only a few months for "high treason." While in jail, he wrote a book so shitty that it makes Stephen King's Christine look like Wuthering Heights, and yet it made enough money that Hitler was able to buy a Mercedes from the royalties while he was still imprisoned.
As a politician, he was a famous speaker despite his silly accent; had trouble breaking 40 percent in the polls despite "thinning" (assassinating) opposition. We'd accuse him of witchery were we not so sure he would have fucked that up too.
His contributions as a military tactician included allying Germany with a living cartoon character.

Benito Mussolini: This dude existed.
Hitler simply gets too much credit for the decisions made by people around him. Germany's successful invasion of France, for example, had nothing to do with Hitler's planning. His contribution was the part where he let 300,000 Allies escape at the Battle of Dunkirk, and where he singlehandedly blew The Battle of Britain with every advantage going for him, canceling the invasion of Britain in what would be the first real turning point of the war.

In short, Hitler was that asshole who knows absolutely nothing about Texas Hold 'Em, yet kept winning every round because the bastard had more luck than brains. You never hear about the bumbling shenanigans he lucked his way out of for the same reason they never used Forrest Gump as a Bond-villain: It doesn't make for a good story.


Read more: http://www.cracked.com/article_18389_the-5-most-widely-believed-wwii-facts-that-are-bullshit_p2.html#ixzz2XfS27obC

harrison'samonster
06-29-2013, 07:43 PM
Cap...don't hate being German because of what a few psychopaths did.

There is a lot more to German heritage than the Holocaust.

great points! Germans are wonderful people with work ethic that is hard to beat. And between WW1 and II, that country was continuously being torn to pieces.

Vis
06-29-2013, 07:43 PM
tinky-winky! it must have been Stalin. Hitler was trying to save the Jews.

Oh yeah. So I've learned in this fascinating thread. Who wants to burn a cross later? I've got hotdogs.

harrison'samonster
06-29-2013, 07:45 PM
But they weren't very intelligent.




from everthing I've heard or learned, they weren't intelligent. But they were good at selling themselves to very desperate ppl. and they knew how to use people who were intelligent

SteelCityMom
06-29-2013, 07:46 PM
All of this seems a little "silly" to me. It's like two parents sitting around, discussing which baby-sitter is better: the pedophile or the murderer.

Right?

Hilter = evil
Stalin = evil
Mao = evil

Why is this even being discussed, as if any of them is a "good guy"?

(Again, not directed at you, Mom... just replying to you... because, you listen well.)

Nope, you're exactly right. Like I said, it was a giant clusterfuck of evil...which happens often in extreme wartime.

Too bad the Romanian gov't never gets the recognition they deserve for being crazy despot assholes. They slipped under that radar.

harrison'samonster
06-29-2013, 07:46 PM
All of this seems a little "silly" to me. It's like two parents sitting around, discussing which baby-sitter is better: the pedophile or the murderer.

Right?

Hilter = evil
Stalin = evil
Mao = evil

Why is this even being discussed, as if any of them is a "good guy"?

(Again, not directed at you, Mom... just replying to you... because, you listen well.)

why is this being discussed? because pats16no seems to think the Nazis were heroes.

Bane
06-29-2013, 07:47 PM
I have always believed that Hitler and his Henchmen were very intelligent. Had to be to pull something like that off. HOWEVER sadly, they used that intelligence for all the WRONG REASONS.

That would be incredibly wrong:

http://www.cracked.com/article_18389_the-5-most-widely-believed-wwii-facts-that-are-bullshit.html

http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-reasons-hitler-was-an-idiot.php

teegre
06-29-2013, 07:51 PM
why is this being discussed? because pats16no seems to think the Nazis were heroes.

They weren't? :noidea:

I mean, aside from that little "genocide" thing, I thought that they were warm & fuzzy.

teegre
06-29-2013, 07:54 PM
To defend Cap:

(Holy crap... this is a new one for me.)

I think that she means that a lot of creative things came out of Germany at that time. They developed a lot of technology. It just so happens, that they also killed millions Jews... which sort of blemishes their accomplishments.

At least that's how I took it.

SteelCityMom
06-29-2013, 07:57 PM
from everthing I've heard or learned, they weren't intelligent. But they were good at selling themselves to very desperate ppl. and they knew how to use people who were intelligent

That statement applies to nearly every dangerous regime, ever. Germany was indeed very desperate at the time, and with some very good reasons.

Again, I'll never agree with some of the tactics used by the Nazi's...but no one ever really wants to take a look at why or how they got to that point. It wasn't because they were evil people (for the most part) it was because they were terrified, and with good reason. They knew what US and British newspapers would never tell their own people, and that was the millions of anti-communists being slaughtered by Stalin's regime who had their eyes directly upon them.

Bane
06-29-2013, 07:58 PM
why is this being discussed? because pats16no seems to think the Nazis were heroes.

He's probably screaming at the screen and slamming his face on the keyboard, wearing an Aaron Hernandez jersey.

Vis
06-29-2013, 07:59 PM
tinky-winky! it must have been Stalin. Hitler was trying to save the Jews.

To defend Cap:

(Holy crap... this is a new one for me.)

I think that she means that a lot of creative things came out of Germany at that time. They developed a lot of technology. It just so happens, that they also killed millions Jews... which sort of blemishes their accomplishments.

At least that's how I took it.

They threw gypsies and Jehovah witnesses and gays in camps too.

harrison'samonster
06-29-2013, 08:01 PM
They threw gypsies and Jehovah witnesses and gays in camps too.

that was to protect them from communists.

PATS16N0
06-29-2013, 08:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGfiV8n_eBY

An interesting speech. I've read a lot of his speeches prior to the outbreak of Total War and they're all of very similar in tone. Patriotism, Community, Family, etc.
Doesn't look that crazy to me. Seems to me that wars of madness make men mad, more so when they're losing.

How fortunate for the victors that they get to write history.

I wonder what America would do if it were on the verge of losing a major war.
Maybe wipe out most of the civilized world with nuclear weapons? How "good" of us.

Didn't we nuke Japan? And that was while WINNING the war.

FDR was a scumbag. So was his wife.

I'd love to see all our resident Republicans leap to his defense because he isn't German. Defending far left socialists is something American `conservatives` seem to absolutely excel at.

FYI: Most of the nation was absolutely, positively against getting involved in another European war. It's another example of the political elite giving the Americans the finger and putting the flower of their nation through the meat grinder to power broker and play global games of chess. Hurray for them. Let's write songs of praise for them.

Maybe our political leaders can drag us into a war 80% of us are absolutely against, then in 60 years our grandchildren can talk about how great and good it was.

harrison'samonster
06-29-2013, 08:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGfiV8n_eBY

An interesting speech.

only for Nazis

PATS16N0
06-29-2013, 08:12 PM
We have Bush and Obama. We have real leaders.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdPSqL9_mfM&bpctr=1372556491

God bless America. Future looks stunning.

PATS16N0
06-29-2013, 08:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fO-usAlqak

Sanity.

Up is down. Left is right. War is peace. Ignorance is happiness.

harrison'samonster
06-29-2013, 08:13 PM
We have Bush and Obama. We have real leaders.


God bless America. Future looks stunning.


if only the Fuhrer were here today. He'd round up all these American citizen rejects and put them in camps. He'd set things right!

teegre
06-29-2013, 08:13 PM
My genocidal dictator is better than yours.

caplovestroyp43
06-29-2013, 08:14 PM
To defend Cap:

(Holy crap... this is a new one for me.)

I think that she means that a lot of creative things came out of Germany at that time. They developed a lot of technology. It just so happens, that they also killed millions Jews... which sort of blemishes their accomplishments.

At least that's how I took it.

Hey thanks! :drink:Yep, that's kinda what I was getting at. You said it so much better than me. Horrible, horrible, horrible that six million INNOCENT people had to suffer for no reason AT ALL. NONE.

harrison'samonster
06-29-2013, 08:14 PM
i'm with you patsno16. I'm getting my brown shirt out of the closet. Let's tear this shit up!

PATS16N0
06-29-2013, 08:16 PM
only for Nazis

Or objective historians.

MACH1
06-29-2013, 08:16 PM
My genocidal dictator is better than yours.

mine had better reasons to kill millions.

harrison'samonster
06-29-2013, 08:16 PM
Or objective historians.

no, just nazis

teegre
06-29-2013, 08:18 PM
mine had better reasons to kill millions.

But, mine killed more of them.

Vis
06-29-2013, 08:18 PM
All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach.

Adolf Hitler


Par, he was talking about you.

PATS16N0
06-29-2013, 08:19 PM
Psychopathic evil Germany:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJMIzpkbChE&bpctr=1372556869

Look at the little kids! You can tell they're demonic!

America the noble and great and good:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjM-pb0UH0o

lol

MACH1
06-29-2013, 08:19 PM
But, mine killed more of them.

They don't count. It was during a war.

teegre
06-29-2013, 08:21 PM
Wait... someone clarify for me. Is Paula Deen analogous with Hitler?... or, is she Stalin-esque?

teegre
06-29-2013, 08:23 PM
They don't count. It was during a war.

:toofunny:

I literally laughed out loud. Well done.

Vis
06-29-2013, 08:24 PM
Wait... someone clarify for me. Is Paula Deen analogous with Hitler?... or, is she Stalin-esque?

She kills with lard. Must be more like Stalin

SteelCityMom
06-29-2013, 08:26 PM
Last I'll say on this topic (I swear).... For one, I truly hope Pats that you don't agree with what Hitler and the Nazi's ultimately did to their own people. I understand why and how they got there, but like I've said before, two wrongs don't make a right. I think a lot of people are confusing your statements with sympathizing with what Hitler had done.

Secondly, I would hope everyone would take this opportunity to maybe research the topic more on their own time. Not everything you learn in a US history book is 100% accurate. Just take the time and realize that WWII was much more complex than just the Allies defeating the evil Germans. There is so much more to it than that.

And lastly, I hope it stays as relatively civil as it has been.

Atlanta Dan
06-29-2013, 08:28 PM
Or objective historians.

Link?

Vis
06-29-2013, 08:30 PM
Nazis and hitler were never not evil. What they ultimately did is what they wanted to do. What do you understand about how they got there that says they ever weren't reprehensible?

MasterOfPuppets
06-29-2013, 10:04 PM
Chris Ofili got into art school, and he painted a Virgin Mary using fecal matter.


mach will get drunk , shit himself , then make poop turkeys on the wall...:chuckle:

http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/263917/263917,1277706986,1/stock-photo-brown-hand-print-on-a-white-56091448.jpg

fer522
06-29-2013, 10:42 PM
My genocidal dictator is better than yours.

mine had better reasons to kill millions.

Mine had a bigger dick

Bane
06-29-2013, 11:10 PM
Mine had a bigger dick

v=E-WWXTpH0E0

teegre
06-29-2013, 11:38 PM
Mine had a bigger dick

When I read ^^that^^... I thought of this...

v=E-WWXTpH0E0

Good job, guys. You summed up this thread in back-to-back posts.

MACH1
06-30-2013, 12:28 AM
mach will get drunk , shit himself , then make poop turkeys on the wall...:chuckle:

http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/263917/263917,1277706986,1/stock-photo-brown-hand-print-on-a-white-56091448.jpg

I don't have to get drunk to do that. :sofunny:

teegre
06-30-2013, 02:23 AM
I don't have to get drunk to do that. :sofunny:

Likewise, the other day, I created a Jackson Pollock in the bathroom. I ate an entire shell of blueberries... and then, a few hours later... went to work on my masterpiece.

I called it: The Blue Dalmatian.

MACH1
06-30-2013, 02:32 AM
Likewise, the other day, I created a Jackson Pollock in the bathroom. I ate an entire shell of blueberries... and then, a few hours later... went to work on my masterpiece.

I called it: The Blue Dalmatian.

My boy did that a couple years ago, now he swears he's allergic to blueberries. :toofunny:

teegre
06-30-2013, 02:37 AM
My boy did that a couple years ago, now he swears he's allergic to blueberries. :toofunny:

Earlier this week, my daughter swallowed a "gum ball" (acorn like thing off of our tree)... and... oh man... a little later on: I've smelled worse & seen grosser, but not by much.

I gagged... literally had to stop for a second & collect myself.

Kids' bowels... such a treat.

MACH1
06-30-2013, 02:55 AM
Can't be near as bad as the tlaquepaque.

caplovestroyp43
06-30-2013, 03:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QSbqSuwwx0

Just want to share this and NOT start a war here. This is so special to me; just after my mom was diagnosed with cancer, I was surfing on the radio and caught the tail end of this song and it spoke to me to remind me of so many things. I'm listening to it now and have it CRANKED up nice and loud with my windows in my house open.

Vis
06-30-2013, 10:02 PM
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_vault/2013/06/28/voting_rights_and_the_supreme_court_the_impossible _literacy_test_louisiana.html?wpsrc=upworthy

This week’s Supreme Court decision in Shelby County v. Holder overturned Section 4(b) of the 1965 Voting Rights Act, which mandated federal oversight of changes in voting procedure in jurisdictions that have a history of using a “test or device” to impede enfranchisement. Here is one example of such a test, used in Louisiana in 1964.

After the end of the Civil War, would-be black voters in the South faced an array of disproportionate barriers to enfranchisement. The literacy test—supposedly applicable to both white and black prospective voters who couldn’t prove a certain level of education but in actuality disproportionately administered to black voters—was a classic example of one of these barriers.

The website of the Civil Rights Movement Veterans, which collects materials related to civil rights, hosts a few samples of actual literacy tests used in Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi during the 1950s and 1960s.

In many cases, people working within the movement collected these in order to use them in voter education, which is how we ended up with this documentary evidence. Update: This test—a word-processed transcript of an original—was linked to by Jeff Schwartz, who worked with the Congress of Racial Equality in Iberville and Tangipahoa Parishes in the summer of 1964. Schwartz wrote about his encounters with the test in this blog post.
Most of the tests collected here are a battery of trivia questions related to civic procedure and citizenship. (Two from the Alabama test: “Name the attorney general of the United States” and “Can you be imprisoned, under Alabama law, for a debt?”)

But this Louisiana “literacy” test, singular among its fellows, has nothing to do with citizenship. Designed to put the applicant through mental contortions, the test's questions are often confusingly worded. If some of them seem unanswerable, that effect was intentional. The (white) registrar would be the ultimate judge of whether an answer was correct.

Try this one: “Write every other word in this first line and print every third word in same line (original type smaller and first line ended at comma) but capitalize the fifth word that you write.”

Or this: “Write right from the left to the right as you see it spelled here.”

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/the_vault/2013/6/28/Test1.jpg.CROP.article920-large.jpg

Vis
06-30-2013, 10:03 PM
http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/the_vault/2013/6/28/Test2.jpg.CROP.article920-large.jpg

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/the_vault/2013/6/28/Test3.jpg.CROP.article920-large.jpg

BritishSteel
07-01-2013, 12:22 PM
Caesar's Palace dumped her too

Caesars operates Paula Deen-themed restaurants at four of its casinos: Horseshoe Southern Indiana, Harrah's Tunica in Mississippi, Harrah's Joliet in Illinois and Harrah's Cherokee in North Carolina.

"While we appreciate Paula's sincere apologies for statements she made in her past ... we have mutually decided that it is in the best interests of both parties to part ways at this time," said Jan Jones Blackhurst, executive vice president of communications and government affairs for Caesars Entertainment.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/dam/assets/130626104951-paula-deen-dropped-620xa.jpg
Paula Deen in happier times.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/06/26/news/companies/cesars-deen-restaurants/

WalMart and Caesar's Palace - yikes!

Compared to the rough crowd Paula Deen hung with, Aaron Hernandez was partying with the Boy Scouts

Most importantly, what the hell is she doing in the True Crime section?

Oh......

Atlanta Dan
07-01-2013, 04:31 PM
New opportunities for Paula Deen to replace the $$ from those lost endorsement deals are starting to appear:thumbsup:

Disgraced chef Paula Deen needs a job ... and she's a mom ... so the good people who run a MILF-based porn site put 2-and-2 together and have offered her a SIX-FIGURE GIG.

A website called PureMature.com fired off a letter this week ... offering Paula a place in their company ... in light of her N-word controversy, which has lost her MILLIONS in sponsorships.

In the letter, PM starts by explaining to Paula she's a MILF -- a hot mom over the age of 65 who men would like to (you know). It continues with the job offer adding, "Full figured or thin, arthritic or diabetic -- you embody our perfect spokesperson."

As for compensation, PureMature says it's willing to offer her "6 figures for very little work" ... and NO nudity is required.

http://www.tmz.com/2013/06/29/paula-deen-milf-porn-offer-pure-mature/

teegre
07-01-2013, 06:25 PM
New opportunities for Paula Deen to replace the $$ from those lost endorsement deals are starting to appear:thumbsup:

Disgraced chef Paula Deen needs a job ... and she's a mom ... so the good people who run a MILF-based porn site put 2-and-2 together and have offered her a SIX-FIGURE GIG.

A website called PureMature.com fired off a letter this week ... offering Paula a place in their company ... in light of her N-word controversy, which has lost her MILLIONS in sponsorships.

In the letter, PM starts by explaining to Paula she's a MILF -- a hot mom over the age of 65 who men would like to (you know). It continues with the job offer adding, "Full figured or thin, arthritic or diabetic -- you embody our perfect spokesperson."

As for compensation, PureMature says it's willing to offer her "6 figures for very little work" ... and NO nudity is required.

http://www.tmz.com/2013/06/29/paula-deen-milf-porn-offer-pure-mature/

Y'asll is gonna put a what in my what, y'all? I ain't never not done none of that before, y'all.

caplovestroyp43
07-04-2013, 06:43 PM
I completely agree Vis.

So why is Black Pride month so acceptable then? Why is there BET? Why are there black centric magazines? I don't care that there are these things, but if someone started a magazine called White Pride, that did nothing but celebrate European heritage and had nothing to do with promoting neo-nazism or white power, it would be immediately portrayed that way regardless.

There is a clear double standard in the US, and it is in favor of non-whites. That's what the point is.

With all of this shoved down people's throats day in and day out, there's no wonder there's still a clear divide.

Wow I missed this one! Sure can't argue with that point Mom. Spot on.

SteelerEmpire
07-04-2013, 07:28 PM
Originally Posted by SteelCityMom
I completely agree Vis.

So why is Black Pride month so acceptable then? Why is there BET? Why are there black centric magazines? I don't care that there are these things, but if someone started a magazine called White Pride, that did nothing but celebrate European heritage and had nothing to do with promoting neo-nazism or white power, it would be immediately portrayed that way regardless.

There is a clear double standard in the US, and it is in favor of non-whites. That's what the point is.

With all of this shoved down people's throats day in and day out, there's no wonder there's still a clear divide.

Everyone with $1 of common sense understands the logic of what you mean here mom, but what usually ends up happening is those that are "truely" racist ends up high-jacking these types of organizations (by saying or doing something absolutely outrageous) and claiming these organizations as their own, or making it "appear" to have some sort of racist angle. One bad apple seems to spoil the whole batch. The same thing can be said about the current Republican/ Tea party; even though it may not actually be a racist organization, a "few" bad elements are highlighted by the media to make it "appear" to be that way. Thus destroying anything good the core message has to offer.

Vis
07-04-2013, 07:33 PM
That can happen on football forums as well as we've recently seen.

harrison'samonster
07-04-2013, 07:46 PM
So why is Black Pride month so acceptable then? Why is there BET? Why are there black centric magazines? I don't care that there are these things, but if someone started a magazine called White Pride, that did nothing but celebrate European heritage and had nothing to do with promoting neo-nazism or white power, it would be immediately portrayed that way regardless.

There is a clear double standard in the US, and it is in favor of non-whites. That's what the point is.

While in today's world with a black US President, prominent black politicians, CEO's, powerful entertainers (Oprah comes to mind), and other leaders in the black community, it's easy to forget, but in the very recent history of this country, Black history and accomplishments and even the appearance of black people has been downgraded.

Hence the "Black is Beautiful" "Black Pride" and everything else. I understand seeing it as a double standard that there are no WET channels, but when most pop shows on tv are clearly marketed to a white audience, do we really need a channel dedicated to white people?

PATS16N0
07-04-2013, 07:57 PM
It's obvious why. The Marxist left wants to promote ethnic pride and ethnic Nationalism while vilifying the same for Europeans and white Americans as a means to an end.
Not sure why we're still asking these questions. To ask the question is to ask a question you already know the answer to, but want to pretend, for whatever reason, that you don't.

"Multiculturalism" is a word used by radical left wing social engineers in America and Europe to justify using third world immigration as a Trojan horse.

Of course, Trojan horses have a purpose that aren't to the benefit of the people living behind the walls - a purpose that will reveal itself later on this century.

Mark my words.

But I know that's uncomfortable, so let's just complain about double standards and the need for WET because that's the extent political correctness (Marxist thought tyrants) will allow.

Vis
07-04-2013, 07:59 PM
I see what you mean, SteelerEmpire

harrison'samonster
07-04-2013, 08:01 PM
It's obvious why. The Marxist left wants to promote ethnic pride and ethnic Nationalism while vilifying the same for Europeans and white Americans as a means to an end.
Not sure why we're still asking these questions. To ask the question is to ask a question you already know the answer to, but want to pretend, for whatever reason, that you don't.

"Multiculturalism" is a word used by radical left wing social engineers in America and Europe to justify using third world immigration as a Trojan horse.

Of course, Trojan horses have a purpose that aren't to the benefit of the people living behind the walls - a purpose that will reveal itself later on this century.

Mark my words.

But I know that's uncomfortable, so let's just complain about double standards and the need for WET.

multiculturalism isn't just different people from different walks of life trying to live there lives from day to day?

Why does there have to be a radical marxist agenda behind it? you could just as easily say that it's a neo-nazi conspiracy keeping the minorities down and out so the super-race can continue to dominate. I don't believe either is true in this country.

PATS16N0
07-04-2013, 08:02 PM
The truth is heresy and treasonous, I get it.
That which most people know must never be said aloud.

Western civilization deserves to perish, and it will, because its people have no backbone, so I'm fine with it. A people get what they deserve.

Asia will inherit the earth, and much in Asia makes me think they're well suited to carry on the torch of humanity while we wallow in our cowardice until our end.

Vis
07-04-2013, 08:04 PM
The truth is heresy and treasonous, I get it.
That which most people know must never be said aloud.

Western civilization deserves to perish, and it will, because its people have no backbone, so I'm fine with it. A people get what they deserve.

Asia will inherit the earth, and much in Asia makes me think they're well suited to carry on the torch of humanity while we wallow in our cowardice until our end.

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