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Vis 02-14-2014 08:28 AM

Kansas’ Anti-Gay Segregation Bill
 
http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2...omination.html

On Tuesday, the Kansas House of Representatives overwhelmingly approved a measure designed to bring anti-gay segregation—under the guise of “religious liberty”—to the already deep-red state. The bill, written out of fear that the state may soon face an Oklahoma-style gay marriage ruling, will now easily pass the Republican Senate and be signed into law by the Republican governor. The result will mark Kansas as the first state, though certainly not the last, to legalize segregation of gay and straight people in virtually every arena of life.

If that sounds overblown, consider the bill itself. When passed, the new law will allow any individual, group, or private business to refuse to serve gay couples if “it would be contrary to their sincerely held religious beliefs.” Private employers can continue to fire gay employees on account of their sexuality. Stores may deny gay couples goods and services because they are gay. Hotels can eject gay couples or deny them entry in the first place. Businesses that provide public accommodations—movie theaters, restaurants—can turn away gay couples at the door. And if a gay couple sues for discrimination, they won’t just lose; they’ll be forced to pay their opponent’s attorney’s fees. As I’ve noted before, anti-gay businesses might as well put out signs alerting gay people that their business isn’t welcome.

But that’s just the tip of the iceberg. In addition to barring all anti-discrimination lawsuits against private employers, the new law permits government employees to deny service to gays in the name of “religious liberty.” This is nothing new, but the sweep of Kansas’ statute is breathtaking. Any government employee is given explicit permission to discriminate against gay couples—not just county clerks and DMV employees, but literally anyone who works for the state of Kansas. If a gay couple calls the police, an officer may refuse to help them if interacting with a gay couple violates his religious principles. State hospitals can turn away gay couples at the door and deny them treatment with impunity. Gay couples can be banned from public parks, public pools, anything that operates under the aegis of the Kansas state government.

It gets worse. The law’s advocates claim that it applies only to gay couples—but there’s no clear limiting principle in the text of the bill that would keep it from applying to gay individuals as well. A catch-all clause allows businesses and bureaucrats to discriminate against gay people so long as this discrimination is somehow “related to, or related to the celebration of, any marriage, domestic partnership, civil union or similar arrangement.” (Emphases mine.) This subtle loophole is really just a blank check to discriminate: As long as an individual believes that his service is somehow linked to a gay union of any form, he can legally refuse his services. And since anyone who denies gays service is completely shielded from any charges, no one will ever have to prove that their particular form of discrimination fell within the four corners of the law.

Supporting the bill on the House floor, Republican state Rep. Charles Macheers proclaimed that “discrimination is horrible. It’s hurtful. … It has no place in civilized society, and that’s precisely why we’re moving this bill.” The latter claim is absurd, of course—this bill is an explicit effort to make gay people’s lives miserable—but the former is absolutely true. Discrimination is hurtful and horrible, and it will also soon be codified into Kansas law, as other red states look on (and follow suit). Homophobes are nothing if not savvy, and while the judiciary dukes out the gay marriage issue, the shrewdest bigots have already moved on to the next battle. There might still be time to prevent such discrimination in bluer states. But in dark-red places like Kansas, anti-gay segregation is the new reality.

JonM229 02-14-2014 08:32 AM

Re: Kansas’ Anti-Gay Segregation Bill
 
If passed, there's no way this piece of shit bill isn't getting shot down by a federal judge for being unconstitutional. What's to stop people from refusing to serve people from other religions or races by claiming it goes against their religious beliefs?

God made Adam and Eve, not Gabacho y Eva

Vis 02-14-2014 08:33 AM

Re: Kansas’ Anti-Gay Segregation Bill
 
So why do it? It's just the death throes of the wrong side of history.

JonM229 02-14-2014 08:57 AM

Re: Kansas’ Anti-Gay Segregation Bill
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vis (Post 1265914)
So why do it? It's just the death throes of the wrong side of history.

That's just it, it's the last gasp of a dying part of culture that was once dominant. My wife took a bunch of social psych classes which showed that, across all cultures, as gender equality increases, incidents of rape decrease. However, right before true equality is reached, there is typically a short spike in rapes. The Kansas legislature will probably be taught alongside people such as Bull Connor in about 40 years from now.

Vis 02-14-2014 09:07 AM

Re: Kansas’ Anti-Gay Segregation Bill
 
Meanwhile in the southland:

A US federal judge in Virginia has ruled that the state's ban on same-sex marriage is unconstitutional.

It is the first time that a southern state has had a voter-approved prohibition on gay marriage overturned.

The ruling will not apply pending a possible appeal. Same-sex marriages are legal in 17 US states, most of them in the north-east, and Washington DC.

Such unions have been approved either through legislation, court rulings or voter referendums.

'Adding momentum'

The ruling by Judge Arenda Wright Allen in Norfolk followed a legal challenge on same-sex marriage by a gay couple.

The judge agreed with them that the ban infringed their constitutional rights and their fundamental freedom to marry.

"Through its decision today, the court has upheld the principles of equality upon which this nation was founded," the plaintiff's lawyer, Theodore Olson, told US media.

Opponents of gay marriage decried the ruling, however, calling the judge "arrogant" and "substituting her personal preferences" for the judgement of Virginia voters.

"Our nation's judicial system has been infected by activist judges, which threaten the stability of our nation and the rule of law," Tony Perkins, president of the conservative Family Research Council, told the Associated Press news agency.

Many expect the case - or one like it - to go all the way to the US Supreme Court, the BBC's Beth McLeod in Washington reports.

Virginia is the first state in the old confederacy - a group of southern states that are traditionally seen as socially conservative - to have its ban overturned.

The decision adds momentum to a growing acceptance of gay marriage in the US, our correspondent adds.

Earlier this week, a federal judge in Kentucky - another southern state - ruled that it must recognise same-sex marriages performed elsewhere in the US.

However, the judge did not rule on the legality of same-sex marriages inside Kentucky, effectively meaning that the current ban remained in place.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-26184043

Vis 02-14-2014 09:10 AM

Re: Kansas’ Anti-Gay Segregation Bill
 
The decision

http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/doc...d-mcquigg/796/

Bane 02-14-2014 12:47 PM

Re: Kansas’ Anti-Gay Segregation Bill
 
Can we just strip those who would take others' basic rights away of their own rights?

It's absolutely despicable that they could write, support, and vote on this with a straight face.

JonM229 02-14-2014 01:14 PM

Re: Kansas’ Anti-Gay Segregation Bill
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bane (Post 1266003)
Can we just strip those who would take others' basic rights away of their own rights?

It's absolutely despicable that they could write, support, and vote on this with a straight face.

Who said they have a straight face?

http://americandigest.org/satan_laughs.jpg

Vis 02-14-2014 03:15 PM

Re: Kansas’ Anti-Gay Segregation Bill
 
Tea Party Senators Introduce ‘You’re Not Married Anymore’ Bill To Nullify Same-Sex Marriages

Sens. Ted Cruz (R-TX) and Mike Lee (R-UT) have introduced a Senate version of the “State Marriage Defense Act,” a bill that would prohibit the federal government from recognizing same-sex couples’ marriages if they live in a state that doesn’t recognize them. This “You’re Not Married Anymore” bill would mean that families would lose all their federal protections simply by crossing the border into another state.

The legislation is a workaround since the Supreme Court overturned the Defense of Marriage Act last year, reasoning that the federal government could not refuse to recognize legally valid marriages performed in the states. Since then, the Obama administration has been using a “place of celebration” standard, meaning that as long as a same-sex couple’s marriage was valid where it was performed, it continues to be valid for most federal purposes (like tax benefits, etc.), even if they travel or move to a state that bans same-sex marriage.

According to Cruz, state authority should supersede the legal protections of these families:

CRUZ: I support traditional marriage. Under President Obama, the federal government has tried to re-define marriage, and to undermine the constitutional authority of each state to define marriage consistent with the values of its citizens. The Obama Administration should not be trying to force gay marriage on all 50 states. We should respect the states, and the definition of marriage should be left to democratically elected legislatures, not dictated from Washington. This bill will safeguard the ability of states to preserve traditional marriage for its residents.

Rep. Randy Weber (R-TX) introduced a similar bill in the House last month, admitting that he hadn’t even read the Supreme Court’s decision before he filed it. The National Organization for Marriage has praised the bills because the values of citizens who voted to ban same-sex marriage are “continually under threat.”

Ironically, this tactic to undermine marriage equality directly contradicts the principles of another attempt, the so-called “Marriage and Religious Freedom Act,” which would allow religious individuals to disregard state definitions of marriage if they wished to discriminate against same-sex couples.

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2014/0...-lee-marriage/

MasterOfPuppets 02-14-2014 03:50 PM

Re: Kansas’ Anti-Gay Segregation Bill
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JonM229 (Post 1265913)
If passed, there's no way this piece of shit bill isn't getting shot down by a federal judge for being unconstitutional. What's to stop people from refusing to serve people from other religions or races by claiming it goes against their religious beliefs?

God made Adam and Eve, not Gabacho y Eva

it all ready happens ..:noidea:

Muslim Cab Drivers Refuse to Transport Alcohol, and Dogs

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=2827800


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