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Vis 02-17-2014 07:34 PM

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U.N. Report Details North Korea's 'Crimes Against Humanity'

"Systematic, widespread and gross human rights violations have been and are being committed" by the leaders of North Korea against their own people, the U.N.'s Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights declared Monday in a report that goes on to accuse that nation's communist regime of "crimes against humanity."

According to U.N. investigators, "the gravity, scale and nature of these violations reveal a state that does not have any parallel in the contemporary world." They conclude, for example, that "hundreds of thousands of political prisoners have perished" in prison camps over the past five decades.

The High Commissioner's report calls on the U.N. Security Council to "refer the situation in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea to the International Criminal Court."

"The United Nations must ensure that those most responsible for the crimes against humanity committed in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea are held accountable," the report concludes.

But as NPR's Anthony Kuhn tells our Newscast Desk, few observers believe the report will change much inside North Korea, where the leadership denies any wrongdoing.

The commission says it based its conclusions on "first-hand testimony" from victims, witnesses and experts. Its investigators "conducted more than 240 confidential interviews with victims and other witnesses." In language that supports what the outside world has believed for decades, the report reaches the following conclusions:

— Indoctrination. The North Korean government "operates an all-encompassing indoctrination machine that takes root from childhood to propagate an official personality cult and to manufacture absolute obedience to the supreme leader (Suryong), effectively to the exclusion of any thought independent of official ideology and state propaganda."

— Isolation. "Systems of indoctrination and discrimination on the basis of social class are reinforced and safeguarded by a policy of isolating citizens from contact with each other and with the outside world, violating all aspects of the right to freedom of movement."

— Starvation. "The commission found evidence of systematic, widespread and grave violations of the right to food in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. While acknowledging the impact of factors beyond state control over the food situation, the commission finds that decisions, actions and omissions by the state and its leadership caused the death of at least hundreds of thousands of people and inflicted permanent physical and psychological injuries on those who survived."

— Torture. "The use of torture is an established feature of the interrogation process in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, especially in cases involving political crimes. Starvation and other inhumane conditions of detention are deliberately imposed on suspects to increase the pressure on them to confess and to incriminate other persons."

— Prison Camps. "Persons who are found to have engaged in major political crimes are 'disappeared,' without trial or judicial order, to political prison camps (kwanliso). There, they are incarcerated and held incommunicado. ... In the political prison camps of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, the inmate population has been gradually eliminated through deliberate starvation, forced labor, executions, torture, rape and the denial of reproductive rights enforced through punishment, forced abortion and infanticide. The commission estimates that hundreds of thousands of political prisoners have perished in these camps over the past five decades."

— Executions. "As a matter of state policy, the authorities carry out executions, with or without trial, publicly or secretly, in response to political and other crimes that are often not among the most serious crimes. The policy of regularly carrying out public executions serves to instill fear in the general population."

— Disappearances. "Well over 200,000 persons, including children, who were brought from other countries to the Democratic People's Republic of Korea may have become victims of enforced disappearance, as defined in the Declaration on the Protection of All Persons from Enforced Disappearance."

— It's Ongoing. "Crimes against humanity entail extermination, murder, enslavement, torture, imprisonment, rape, forced abortions and other sexual violence, persecution on political, religious, racial and gender grounds, the forcible transfer of populations, the enforced disappearance of persons and the inhumane act of knowingly causing prolonged starvation. The commission further finds that crimes against humanity are ongoing in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea because the policies, institutions and patterns of impunity that lie at their heart remain in place."

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...ainst-humanity

Atlanta Dan 02-17-2014 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Vis (Post 1267088)
[F]ew observers believe the report will change much inside North Korea, where the leadership denies any wrongdoing.

Yeah, this does not sound like an acknowledgment that mistakes may have been made

North Korea came out with a predictable denunciation of every word of it. The report, said the DPRK statement, was based on “faked” evidence” in “a political plot aimed at sabotaging the socialist system.” The statement likened the commission to “a marionette running here and there in order to represent the ill-minded purposes of the string-pullers” – notably the U.S., Japan and the European Union.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/donaldki...h-korean-rage/

Vis 02-18-2014 12:33 AM

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Perhaps Rodman could be of assistance.

MasterOfPuppets 02-18-2014 02:36 AM

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but wait...lets first see justice served for other convicted war criminals.

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Bush Administration Convicted of War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity

Former U.S. President George W. Bush recently dedicated his Presidential Library in Dallas. The ceremony included speeches by President Obama, ex-President Bush, and every other living ex-president. But none of the speeches so much as mentioned to Iraq war — the undertaking that dominated George W. Bush’s presidency, and will define his historic legacy.
This omission might be due, at least in part, to the fact that Mr. Bush is now a convicted war criminal who dares not travel abroad out of fear of being arrested.
In February 2011, Bush was forced to cancel a scheduled appearance in Geneva, Switzerland after human rights groups filed a criminal complaint charging him with violating international treaties against torture.
His trouble increased dramatically a year ago when Bush — along with former Vice President Dick Cheney, former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, and several other top Bush administration officials — were convicted of war crimes in absentia by a special war crimes tribunal in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.
The Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal was convened and conducted according to internationally recognized procedures and rules of evidence, and the week-long hearing ended with the five-member panel unanimously delivering guilty verdicts.
What is the significance of that tribunal? Is its verdict legally binding? Are there troublesome aspects to the idea that a foreign tribunal can sit in judgment of a U.S. President — whatever we may think of his actions? We will discuss these vitally important questions with Dr. Francis Boyle, a professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law. He served as a prosecutor at the tribunal.

Atlanta Dan 02-18-2014 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 1267141)
but wait...lets first see justice served for other convicted war criminals.

Never forget the Golden Rule - "He who has the gold makes the rules."

MasterOfPuppets 02-18-2014 03:03 PM

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seriously though , WTF is the point of doing this now ? my guess is all they accomplished is to guarantee that fat boy will never surrender if a war with NK does happen,..same with assad in syria :noidea:

Atlanta Dan 02-18-2014 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 1267349)
seriously though , WTF is the point of doing this now ? my guess is all they accomplished is to guarantee that fat boy will never surrender if a war with NK does happen,..same with assad in syria :noidea:

Yep - If the DPRK government is ever overthrown I guess the report can be useful - until then a lot of trees died in vain to print it up - you only get tried for war crimes if you lose the war

MasterOfPuppets 02-19-2014 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Atlanta Dan (Post 1267421)
Yep - If the DPRK government is ever overthrown I guess the report can be useful - until then a lot of trees died in vain to print it up - you only get tried for war crimes if you lose the war

not that its ever gonna happen , but what i'm gettin at is all they accomplish with these dumb ass "pre" trials is to let the "perp" know there's no point in going quietly because your ass is grass.... if i'm that little fat fuck (not buddha ...the korean guy) i'll show you a real war criminal when you come after me by unleashing every nuke , missile, or artillery shell in my arsenal at who ever is in range
these type of threats / provocations against already unstable , dangerous people doesn't do anybody any good. there's a reason why hostage negotiators don't antagonize the hostage takers with threats of imminent doom.


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