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Prospecting for Draft Day "Sleepers"
another great article from former gm and scout, pat kirwan with some names worth keeping an eye on.
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Thats definitely an interesting article, it will be one to look back on after the draft and into next year.
I think the draft is a strange mix of crazy optimism and overly harsh criticism. You read the final scouting conclusion with most players slated to go in the top 10 every year and they all sound like world beaters at their position. Then you read their 'cons' and they sound pretty fundamentally flawed in some key aspect(s) of their game. The fact remains that alot of rookies fail to make that much of an impression in their first year but its the job of the NFL and its 'talking heads' to hype them to the max. I don't put Kirwan in this category - he seems more level headed than most. |
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off this list, cb geoff pope intrigues me the most. just his numbers and relative obscurity remind me of ike taylor being taken in the 4th round. we havent had much luck with cb's in the 2nd round (if you listen to the fans). i would much rather take a flyer in the 4th than 2nd or 1st.
wich brings me to the 1st round lb's and the supposed negatives that are starting to surface. ive heard negatives on timmons yet i see the steelers show great interest. suprising if the report is paul poz has reached his peak already. if the giants are so high on poz and the steelers so high on timmons a swap of 1sts only seems natural according to how they grade out. p. willis had a spectacular pro day that even trumped his excellent combine. i wonder if the thoughts that he cant qb a defense is a smokescreen. its seems teams from buffalo, carolina, steelers, bengals, giants, eagles, and patriots would all be happy if he were there with their 1st pick. |
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Which is why I find it amazing that so many Steeler fans have already thrown the towel in with regards to McFadden and Ike - there is no guarantee that either will ever be elite but you have to think they will continue to improve - as young players do. The way I see it you need to replace the talent that has grown long in the tooth before you declare young talent a bust. Thats why I think Steelers will (and should) be looking OL, LB with their early round picks. |
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it seems steelerfans want every starter to be 1st round talent even though even our 1st round picks cant start due to the complex systems we run. patience has already been lost with young players like washington, parker, ben, ike, mcfadden, and starks (even though those players helped contribute to a sb win). :hunch: i wonder if even the steelers scouts took a little break after the champ win. of course many rookies wouldnt be expected to make a championship roster, but our 2nd day picks would suggest no one even bothered looking. |
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3. Usama Young, CB, Kent State (5-11, 196 pounds)
Key numbers: 4.39 40-yard dash, 43-inch vertical jump, 6.65 three-cone drill, 10-11 broad jump, 15 reps on the bench press test I'll put Young's numbers up against anyone in the draft. I have talked with Young and action is starting to pick up on the Kent State campus. Saw this kid play in 5-6 games, and he has enormous upside. I don't want a CB early because I personally think we are loaded at the position (Ike will rebound, Coke was having a great camp until injured, and Bryant McFadden will be a stud), but if you are going to draft a guy later, this is EXACTLY the kind of guy you draft. I also think the Steelers are looking at Akron's Andy Alleman. Here's his profile from NFL.com: Height: 6-4 | Weight: 305 | 40-Time: 5.07 Strengths: Has a good frame and can still get bigger...Excellent athlete for the position with solid timed speed...Moves well and can adjust in space...Hard worker with a great motor...Plays with a nasty attitude...Light on his feet...Has a good deal of upside. Weaknesses: Is raw and he still has much to learn about playing the position from a technique and fundamentals standpoint...Could still stand to add some weight...He needs to get stronger, especially in his lower body...Might not be an ideal fit for everyone. Notes: Actually began his career as a defensive end at Pittsburgh before transferring in 2004...The type who would appear to be a perfect fit for teams that run a zone blocking scheme...Not yet a finished product but a prospect on the rise who has intriguing potential and could be one of the initial handful chosen at his position. |
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Can I add:
Jacob Ford DE/OLB 6'4" 252 lbs Central Arkansas... small school prospect with a high ceiling. He may bethe fastest and possibly most athletic lineman in the draft. There is a good chance he gets selected as a linebacker by a team that runs the 3-4 defense. Julius McClellan WR 6'3" 227 lbs North Carolina Central...runs under 4.5... Former juco transfer... has shot up boards since posting impressive numbers at his pro day. His size/speed combo has teams showing a good bit more interest, with a few who might consider using a draft pick on him late in the 7th round. Could potentially move to TE after gaining almost 20 pounds since his junior pro day. Many are looking at him as a developmental prospect that could pay big dividends at the next level. Expect, at the very worst, for him to be a early free agent signing after the draft. Eric Fowler WR 6'3" 215 lbs Grand Valley State...4.48 Fowler had a solid junior year but his senior season is what has scouts buzzing. He led all of D2 in receiving on the year showing off good hands, route running, and the ideal size teams look for. He will need to work on his downfield blocking some and continue to become more polished as a player but he has all the tools you look for in a great receiver. He can make the tough catches and beat you deep with his speed. He might have gone from a free agent to as high as a 5th round pick in the NFL Draft. Rashod Moulton CB/FS 5'11 192lbs Fort Valley ....ran a 4.44 40. Moulton has been one of the top all-purpose players in DII over the last couple years. He has been a solid cornerback but will get drafted because he can return kicks, punts, and play both safety and cornerback. He has good size, speed, and has shown excellent athletic ability. Greg Peterson DE 6'5 286lbs North Carolina Central ....4.73 40 He has over 100 tackles and 25.5 tackles for loss in his career. His production combined with his recent pro day results have scouts going back to NC Central and cross checking what they originally read during the season. He impressed in recent workouts enough to merit a spot not only on the list but in the top 10 among D2 prospects overall. He has the size/speed combo to play DT or DE. He has the strength to bull rush and the speed to chase down backs from behind. |
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Because Ike has NEVER shown any consistencey at the position. (Though he does posses some physical upside) And after last season he actually seems to have regressed. Which is strange seeing as how he was not 'rushed' into the position. As well as the fact that,....though he is relatively young. He's far from a rookie,...and can no longer use 'inexperience' as an excuse for mental lapses and or his lack of ball skills and awareness. But i forgot,...none of this will be a problem for him anymore,.....because we have a new coach. Riiiiiiiiight |
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The Steeler O-line has long been a real strong point - last time out it almost got Ben killed. Having Polamalu as a free floating playmaker is great when he diagnoses the right play, but isn't quite so hot when he gets caught too near the LOS and his CB's are exposed deep - factor in a lack of penetration by the LBer/D-line corps and you have problems. The Steelers are tough talent evaluators, I cannot imagine them giving Ike such a good contract for him not to have a high amount of ability. Asante Samuel didn't have all the same problems Ike did last year, but he was renowned for having hands-of-rock - he dropped a number of easy picks. Last year that part of his game fell into place and he racked up 10 INT's when his previous high had been 3. |
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Limitations as a product of scheme are one thing. Simply lacking the natural abilty to do certain things is another. Ike is in excellent condition for a cornerback. He has great size, speed and quick reflexes. HOWEVER,......'ball skills and awareness' (though they can be somewhat refined by coaching and or training.),.....are for the most part particular 'skills' or talents if you will,.... that are 'god given'. (Either you have them or you don't) What i mean is this,.....you can look like a singer. You can dress like a singer. You can receive lessons and or tutalege from the greatest vocal coaches in the world. But in the end,......if you just don't have the "voice",......you are karaoke. And now that i think about it,....how absurd is it to discuss any shortcomings of this team with the 'Enemy' ? LOL (And yes that means you,... "Brady Lover") :sofunny: :sofunny: |
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