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SteelersMongol 06-21-2007 11:14 PM

Sad news
 
I just read the news about five little Pittsburghers have died in a fire, and I want to say I'm saddened by this news and my grief and prayers goes to the city.

SteelCityMan786 06-21-2007 11:16 PM

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Yes it is very tragic.

The Mothers of the kids have been charged.

fansince'76 06-21-2007 11:22 PM

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How awful - I must have overlooked the story, because evidently it happened a few days ago now:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19188752/

tony hipchest 06-21-2007 11:29 PM

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im actually suprised a post hasnt been made by now. its a sorry, sad, story. atleast nancy grace ripped on the mothers like nobody but nancy grace can.

PAMillerGrrl83 06-21-2007 11:51 PM

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OMG how awful. My prayers are with the kids, what an awful awful thing to happen.

83-Steelers-43 06-22-2007 07:44 AM

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Very sad story. Some of the reports floating around are that the kids were locked inside a closet, the two oldest ones were playing with matches and the so-called mothers were at the bar drinking. Also, there was supposedly a babysitter watching these 7 kids but the mothers 'do not know' the babysitters last name or where she lives and none of the neighbors ever heard of the girls first name.

It's pretty obvious to me what went on here.

83-Steelers-43 06-22-2007 07:47 AM

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Mothers facing manslaughter
Shakita Mangham and Furaha Love acknowledge there was no babysitter present the night of fatal fire

Friday, June 22, 2007

By Jim McKinnon, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Two tearful mothers spent part of yesterday in custody, charged with homicide in the deaths last week of five children in a house fire in Larimer.

Prosecutors say involuntary manslaughter charges are justified by the fact that the mothers left their children unattended. The attorney for one of the mothers says the women didn't cause the deaths and that the emotional impact of the fatal fire is driving the case.

Shakita Mangham and Furaha Love, both 25, have now acknowledged that they left their children alone, without a baby-sitter, according to police affidavits released yesterday. Ms. Love admitted to police that the two women went drinking, knowing that the children were home alone, according to her affidavit.

Three of Ms. Mangham's children and two of Ms. Love's died in the fire in the early hours of June 12 at Ms. Mangham's home at 6429 Winslow St.

Initially, both women told police that they had left the children in the care of a teenager from the neighborhood, but later both acknowledged they had lied to cover up the fact that they left the younger children in the care of their 8-year-old sons.

Jevon Irwin, Ms. Mangham's eldest child, and Huedon Chambliss, Ms. Love's son, survived the fire.

Ms. Mangham was arraigned on charges that include five counts of involuntary manslaughter, two counts of reckless endangerment, four counts of child endangerment and one count of filing false reports.

Bail for her was set at $10,000. She posted bond of $1,000 -- 10 percent -- and was released yesterday afternoon. A preliminary hearing is set for 8:30 a.m. next Friday.

Ms. Love, of Hazelwood, was arraigned last night on nearly identical charges, except she faces only three counts of child endangerment. Her bail also was set at $10,000.

Ms. Mangham's defense attorney, James M. Ecker, declined to discuss details of the case.

Ernest H. Sharif, Ms. Love's attorney, maintains that neither woman should be charged with homicide, because neither of them caused the fatal fire. Involuntary manslaughter is a death caused by recklessness or gross negligence, and is the least serious degree of homicide under Pennsylvania law.

"There's no connection with the mother being outside the home," Mr. Sharif said. "There's no causation between the mother being outside the home and the death of the children. The children died of fire. And the mother didn't set the fire."

He said had an adult been home, but asleep, the children still could have died in a fire.

"But what happens is, this is an emotionally charged case where you have five children who are dead, and we don't like where the mother was. So, emotionally, we try to make a connection. But legally, there is no connection."

County prosecutors and city police declined comment yesterday. But Allegheny County District Attorney Stephen A. Zappala Jr. said previously that "these kids by all indications were left home alone with two 8-year-olds and that's not acceptable conduct in this community," indicating he believed that rose to the level of "recklessness or gross negligence" required by law. He also said he was concerned about the risk created for firefighters at the blaze.

Investigators had considered the possibility that the surviving children, Jevon and Huedon, could have caused the blaze while playing with matches.

According to the affidavit, however, Ms. Mangham believes it's likely that her daughter, Daekia Holyfield, 7, one of the five who died in the fire, may have been the child who started it. Ms. Mangham told police that she recently confronted Daekia about playing with fire after her 8-year-old son told his mother about an earlier incident when the girl was striking matches.

Mr. Zappala said no charges would be filed against the children. "We'll recommend treatment," he said. "We're going to look after their best interests too. That will be up to a judge."

Ms. Mangham's two other children, Dezekiah Holyfield, 3, and Cedano Holyfield Jr., 4, also died.

Ms. Love lost Azequel Rankin, 5, and Andre Rankin, 6.

All of the children died of smoke inhalation, the Allegheny County medical examiner said.

In their affidavits, both mothers admitted they had lied about the teenage baby-sitter early in the investigation.

Ms. Mangham said she lied because, knowing the children were gone and that she could be a suspect in their deaths, she wanted to remain free long enough to attend their funerals.

Ms. Love said she left her children at Ms. Mangham's home around 4:30 p.m. and went to work. She returned to the Mangham house after work and the women sat on the porch for a few hours. They decided to go out for a drink around 10:15 p.m.

"Furaha admitted that when she left she knew that there was not a baby-sitter and that the younger children were left in the care of the two 8-year-olds," the affidavit states.

Ms. Love was accompanied by her father, Lutual Love, three of her sisters, and Mr. Sharif, when she surrendered yesterday morning. "We're going to stand by for her all the way. That's the family position," Mr. Love said.

"Furaha's a good mother. She's a good daughter, a wonderful daughter. There was no intent on anybody's part that anything happen to these children. And to be charged with homicide is really, really deep to me, because there was never intent to hurt the children," he added.

Child care experts say children in this country are left home alone on a regular basis.

The Urban Institute in Washington, D.C., reported in 2004 that more than 11 percent of 6- to 12-year-olds are in "self-care" -- alone or with a sibling younger than 13 -- throughout the year.

Several hospitals in this region offer classes for children to teach basic child care for such situations. They recommend against leaving children, especially those who are not trained, in charge of other youngsters.

Legal experts say that most states, including Pennsylvania, do not define age limits for leaving a child home alone.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07173/796287-53.stm

83-Steelers-43 06-22-2007 07:59 AM

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Going by that article their story has now changed. They have now admitted to not having a babysitter to watch seven kids while they went out and drank. :shake02:

What's really sad about all of this. The one father (divorced) takes the kids in the Summer while the 'mother' has them in the Winter. Now why not just wait until the father takes them for the Summer and then you can drink all you want?

HometownGal 06-22-2007 08:01 AM

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This is indeed a horrific tragedy that has been front and center here in the Burgh since it happened. I believe the mothers should be charged as they have been - leaving two 8 year olds to care for all of those little ones? What the hell were those women thinking????:dang::dang::dang:

If, as the one mother stated, her daughter had been caught playing with matches, why the hell were the matches still so readily accessible???

83-Steelers-43 06-22-2007 08:13 AM

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And now we have Jibril Abdul-Hafeez and 'Reverend' William Curtis...........

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07168/794899-53.stm

Quote:

"Who's responsible? This city has been responsible for [people living in poverty] for years and years. How can you arrest and prosecute these women for neglect, and you won't prosecute the past leaders of this city for neglect?"
Unfreakingbelievable. When in doubt (and when you have a chance to push your own issues) pass the blame onto others. Very responsible and excellent message to send to others. Good job 'Reverend'.

Quote:

"What does it matter? Five angels have died! Who cares what happened and how it happened and when it happened?
This guy should be shaking down the Penguins....he's good.


Anways, thank you Mr. Kanakis.

Poverty is not what caused these tragic deaths

I was quite shocked and very much offended at Jibril Abdul-Hafeez's and the Rev. William Curtis' comments at the funeral for the five victims of the recent tragic fire ("Tearful Good-Bye for 5 Lost 'Angels,' " June 17). No, sirs, these children did not die from poverty. These children did not die from anything the city did or failed to do.

Quite simply, these children died because their biological mothers made a decision to leave seven young children unsupervised, according to police ("Children Untended as Deadly Fire Swept City Home," June 19). Police are investigating whether they went to a bar. The mothers were not victims of a lack of child care, poverty or anything more than a woefully inadequate sense of maternal responsibility.

The Rev. Curtis asked, "What does it matter? ... Who cares what happened and how it happened and when it happened?"

I, for one, will tell you, sir. I did not know these children; do not know their mothers or their families. I do, however, know this: These children deserved better, as all children do. These children deserved parents dedicated to their health, safety and well-being. I will not allow you to use them as pawns to promote your own agendas. These children were victims of parental neglect and nothing more. Your attempts at minimizing this fact are both insulting and disrespectful to their memory.

GEORGE KANAKIS
Point Breeze

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07171/795481-110.stm


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