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NV STEELERS 723 07-27-2007 10:29 PM

PIRATES ALWAYS GONNA BE A LOSER!
 
.....I remember one of the last phone calls I had w/ my grandfather who lived in Brentwood, PA...it was 1979 after we took the World Series from the Baltimore even being down 3-1.......right after the Stargell HR....

My grandfather said "never give up"... but I really am sooooo tired of the Pirates BS crap season after season......they have some good players , but you have to have some offense..and the FO has made no effort to improve that... I'm sick of it.....

The Pirates are always gonna be a loser..... it makes me sad!

SteelCityMan786 07-27-2007 10:32 PM

Re: PIRATES ALWAYS GONNA BE A LOSER!
 
MLB needs to perform eminent domain on the Nuttings forcing them to sell to an owner who can get the team in the right direction and push a salary cap into the league. Unfortunately as long as the Steinbrenners of the league are here, we're stuck to stuffer.

83-Steelers-43 07-28-2007 12:26 AM

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PIRATES ALWAYS GONNA BE A LOSER!


Unless Nutting sells, I agree. Keep giving him money and he has absolutely no reason to sell. Simple as that in my opinion.

Mosca 07-28-2007 09:33 AM

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That's the guy's business personality. He can either make a small amount of money safely, or he can take a risk and either win big (make the playoffs) or lose big (no guarantee that a big payroll will perform).

I'd love to crunch the economics of it and see where the break-even point would be; what kind of team would we need to have to have a chance at playing in the World Series, how much would it realistically cost, and what would the return be, again realistically? I'm sure he did it and made his decision.


Tom

SteelCityMan786 07-28-2007 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Mosca (Post 269798)
That's the guy's business personality. He can either make a small amount of money safely, or he can take a risk and either win big (make the playoffs) or lose big (no guarantee that a big payroll will perform).

I'd love to crunch the economics of it and see where the break-even point would be; what kind of team would we need to have to have a chance at playing in the World Series, how much would it realistically cost, and what would the return be, again realistically? I'm sure he did it and made his decision.


Tom

I think a lot of the teams that are in the 80-90 million payroll area have been making the playoffs more.

Black@Gold Forever32 07-28-2007 01:24 PM

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Teams like the Twins and As havn't had the high of pay roll in the past few years and they still made the play-offs.........Its about scouting and drafting right....If you avoid the best players in the draft year and year out since they might be tough to sign or want to much money and settle for less players since they're easier to sign then you will have 15 straight years of crap...lol

Just looking back and the Pirates could have had players like Prince Fielder.....lol....He would look nice in a Pirates uniform right now.......

Edman 08-01-2007 06:42 PM

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Payroll isn't the issue with the Pirates. The Front Office just stinks.

The Brewers and Tigers built up their teams to contend, and as preiously mentioned, The Twins and Athletics compete despite low payrolls. The best Pirates ever do is shell out dough for over the hill veterans, run a terrible farm system, and waste draft picks on pitchers who turn out to be busts.

I bet you Moskos doesn't even make the effing team. We pass up a talent like Weiters for another pitcher. It's just as laughable as the Chris Shelton debacle.

SteelCityMan786 08-01-2007 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Edman (Post 271459)
Payroll isn't the issue with the Pirates. The Front Office just stinks.

The Brewers and Tigers built up their teams to contend, and as preiously mentioned, The Twins and Athletics compete despite low payrolls. The best Pirates ever do is shell out dough for over the hill veterans, run a terrible farm system, and waste draft picks on pitchers who turn out to be busts.

I bet you Moskos doesn't even make the effing team. We pass up a talent like Weiters for another pitcher. It's just as laughable as the Chris Shelton debacle.

Terrible farm system? They happen to have a team that hasn't missed the playoffs in 4 years possibly going on 5 in AA. They happen to be the Altoona Curve. No other team in there league has ever accomplished this except maybe Akron.


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