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hindes204 08-16-2009 12:04 PM

Public Option Losing Steam? White House Open to Health Care Reform Without Government
 
Public Option Losing Steam? White House Open to Health Care Reform Without Government Plan




Momentum behind a new government-run health care plan appeared to slow considerably Sunday, as a lead Democratic negotiator called the option a "wasted effort" and President Obama's health secretary suggested the White House is ready to accept a health care reform package without it.

Sen. Kent Conrad, D-N.D., one of six negotiators trying to hammer out a bipartisan compromise measure on the Senate Finance Committee, told "FOX News Sunday" that the so-called public option simply does not have the votes to pass.

"The fact of the matter is there are not the votes in the United States Senate for the public option. There never have been," he said. "So to continue to chase that rabbit I think is just a wasted effort."

Conrad and other negotiators on the finance committee are instead pushing a system of nonprofit insurance cooperatives, as an alternative to the public plan.

"Co-ops are very prevalent in our society," Conrad said. "They've been a very successful business model."

Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius also told CNN's "State of the Union" Sunday that a public option is "not the essential element" in reform legislation.

The White House indicated it could jettison the contentious public option and settle on insurance cooperatives as an acceptable alternative.

"I think there will be a competitor to private insurers," Sebelius said. "That's really the essential part, is you don't turn over the whole new marketplace to private insurance companies and trust them to do the right thing. We need some choices, we need some competition."

The statement comes after Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin, D-Ill., said last week that he's "open" to a bill with no public option.

The finance committee is the last of five committees to consider such legislation.

Conrad had previously cast doubt on the chances that a public option could ever pass the full Senate. But with opposition to Democrats' bill growing, other top officials are starting to leave wiggle room for legislation that does not include the option as Conrad and other negotiators push hard for a co-op system.

As proposed by Conrad, the co-ops would receive federal startup money, but then would operate independently of the government. They would have to maintain the same financial reserves that private companies are required to keep to handle unexpectedly high claims.

The idea has met a mixed reaction among Republicans.

On Sunday, Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., said a co-op system would be a step in the right direction.

"We ought to look at it. I think it's a far cry from the original proposals," he told "FOX News Sunday."

White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs told CBS' "Face the Nation" Sunday that the "bottom line" for the president is "choice and competition in the insurance market."

"The president has thus far sided with the notion that that can best be done through a public option," Gibbs said.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...gotiator-says/

Preacher 08-16-2009 12:13 PM

Re: Public Option Losing Steam? White House Open to Health Care Reform Without Govern
 
So we move from a horrendous idea to what? The healthcare version of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac?

Oh that's right, this will be a not-for-profit govt. startup business. So not only will the worst entity for business be trying to start a business, but THEN, that business will have no reason to succeed but the good will of its people-- people who either 1. can't make it in the public sector or 2. are connected politically and thus, at the top level of this new startup.

Isn't that precious?

Godfather 08-16-2009 01:28 PM

Re: Public Option Losing Steam? White House Open to Health Care Reform Without Govern
 
It's a start. What really needs to lose steam:

1) The insurance mandate.

2) The regressive, job-killing payroll tax.

3) The provision to allow redlining.

4) The ban on individual coverage.

5) The ban on higher premiums for risk factors within a person's control (ie smoking, the majority of obesity cases, drugs, alcohol, promiscuity)

7SteelGal43 08-16-2009 02:01 PM

Re: Public Option Losing Steam? White House Open to Health Care Reform Without Govern
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hindes204 (Post 639627)
Public Option Losing Steam? White House Open to Health Care Reform Without Government Plan

Conrad and other negotiators on the finance committee are instead pushing a system of nonprofit insurance cooperatives, as an alternative to the public plan.

As proposed by Conrad, the co-ops would receive federal startup money, but then would operate independently of the government. They would have to maintain the same financial reserves that private companies are required to keep to handle unexpectedly high claims.

"The president has thus far sided with the notion that that can best be done through a public option," Gibbs said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...gotiator-says/

That almost sounds like a back door approach to 'public option'. Kind of like, it's not "death panels", it's "end of life counseling". I told ya ya gotta look out for those libs,,,there sneaky bastages. :chuckle:

HometownGal 08-16-2009 03:00 PM

Re: Public Option Losing Steam? White House Open to Health Care Reform Without Govern
 
No matter how you look at it . . . .


7SteelGal43 08-16-2009 03:53 PM

Re: Public Option Losing Steam? White House Open to Health Care Reform Without Govern
 
PS: we can't let up just because they relented on "public option". We CAN"T let up until they scrap the whole damn bill ! THEN we can sit down and talk about sensible health care reform with LIMITED government interference.

Truth is, maybe we're missing a bigger underlying issue that noone is really focusing on. How many newscasts talking about "the healthcare emergency" are sponsored by law firms suing pharmecutical companies or filing class action malpractice suits?" I'm a little surprised that these law suits barely get a mention in all these talks of health care reform.

revefsreleets 08-17-2009 07:48 AM

Re: Public Option Losing Steam? White House Open to Health Care Reform Without Govern
 
The one thing we CANNOT let happen is to maintain the status quo...the skyrocketing costs are KILLING small business.

You know, the media is downplaying this, but it's pretty much the death knell of Obamie's primary "legacy builder". Public healthcare was going to be his signature piece of legislation, and without it...I don't know. Looks like another one-and-doner who pretty much does nothing.

Still, we got over the hump of never electing a minority, so he'll always have that, i guess...

revefsreleets 08-21-2009 03:35 PM

Re: Public Option Losing Steam? White House Open to Health Care Reform Without Govern
 
Slip slidin' away...it'll peak at 66% disapproval...there's just too many people (I'm guesstimating about a third) who have simply lost their ability to think critically in the wake of this guys hype and cult of personality...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090821/.../us_obama_poll

Poll: Americans losing confidence in Obama

WASHINGTON – A new poll says that Americans, concerned over the future of health care reform and anxious about the growing federal budget deficit, are losing faith in President Barack Obama.

The Washington Post-ABC News survey found that less that half of Americans — 49 percent — say they believe the president will make the right decisions for the country. That's down from 60 percent at the 100-day mark of the Obama presidency.

The poll published Friday says Obama's overall approval is 57 percent, 12 points lower than it was at its peak in April. Fifty-three percent disapprove of the way he's handling the budget deficit and his approval on health care continues to deteriorate.

The national survey was conducted Aug. 13-17 and has a sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points.

steelreserve 08-21-2009 03:41 PM

Re: Public Option Losing Steam? White House Open to Health Care Reform Without Govern
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Godfather (Post 639666)
2) The regressive, job-killing payroll tax.

That's one part that I don't think is going to make a difference. At the place where I work, 15% on top of the payroll gets spent on health insurance. Obamacare wants to charge an 8% tax if you didn't offer health care. It's like ... OK, why wouldn't we just drop the company health insurance and send everyone to the government plan if it would cut our costs in half?

Of course, that leaves the question of how good you can expect the government program to be if there's only half as much money to go around...

SteelTalons 08-21-2009 04:19 PM

Re: Public Option Losing Steam? White House Open to Health Care Reform Without Govern
 
Have you seen the numbers for Republicans? Sure Obama's is slipping a bit but I think its more to do with his screwing around over this subject so independents and democrats are getting a little antsy thinking he might be caving and not gonna do anything.

However it looks like he tossed one more line to the Republicans... One without a public option... They bit the cheese and were still against it. So Howard Dean pretty much stated it had to have a public option afterwards.

This is more health insurance reform not than universal healthcare. They are just coming into the market to offer competition to lower prices and increase quality since largely its been unchecked. So prices are going up and quality is dropping. Of course there will have to be something done to address the ones who wont be able to afford coverage after this bill starts coming into effect...

Should it pass.


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