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SteelerDan43 01-30-2006 06:55 PM

Retire Clemente's 21??
 
There is an ongoing coo about wether or not to retire Roberto Clemente's 21 league wide. Jackie Robinson's daughter says it should only be her father who has the distinction of having his number retired and that Clemente did not go through what her father did so he should not have his number retired. I think they should retire Clemente's number also, he did for hispanics what Robinson did for african americans... Clemente is an icon of the hispanic community. People will say he didn't recieve the amount of racial abuse Robinson did but lets remeber when Clemente came into the league because he could barely speak any english was basically treated like a baseball playing monkey when in reality he was very a very articulate man who just didnt know english. Also lets not forget his humanitarian contributions that eventually brought his untimely death... Lets retire 21!!!

SteelerDan43 01-30-2006 06:57 PM

Re: Retire Clemente's 21??
 
Clemente's Son
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2312580

Robinson's Daughter
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2304057

Suitanim 01-30-2006 07:38 PM

Re: Retire Clemente's 21??
 
Ridiculous. If the black community spent 1/1000th of it's energy promoting itself that it instead spends tearing down other minorities and themselves, this would be a completely moot point.

3 to be 4 01-30-2006 08:19 PM

Re: Retire Clemente's 21??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Suitanim
Ridiculous. If the black community spent 1/1000th of it's energy promoting itself that it instead spends tearing down other minorities and themselves, this would be a completely moot point.


whoa. this was Jackie Robinsons daughter saying this idiocy, not the "Black Community"

Stlrs4Life 02-18-2006 03:30 PM

Re: Retire Clemente's 21??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Suitanim
Ridiculous. If the black community spent 1/1000th of it's energy promoting itself that it instead spends tearing down other minorities and themselves, this would be a completely moot point.


Clemente wasn't black. He was Puerto Rican.


My favorite player growing up as a kid. Glad I got to see him play.

Zez 03-01-2006 09:18 AM

Re: Retire Clemente's 21??
 
Retire it....bottom line.

RoethlisBURGHer 03-02-2006 02:10 PM

Re: Retire Clemente's 21??
 
Here is the difference:

Robinson broke the color-barrier.Thanks to him,persons of any color were then able to play in MLB,not just white people.He was not just the first black person the play MLB,he was also the first minority,

Clemente wasn't the first hispanic player in MLB,however he is the most well known and celebrated.He was a great baseball player,and if he hadn't died then he could have possibly become the greatest.But you don't see MLB retiring the number of every great player that died due to something tragic.

This is why I voted no.It can easily get out of hand,because then there would be people wanting the most- celebrated-whatever-heritage player of a ton of different heritages retired,and retiring Clemente's 21 would open the door to force MLB to do that.

I think a better decision would be to give every team the choice to retire Clemente's number.If they want to,then they do...if not then that's fine.But if MLB imposes it on every team,it just opens the flood gates and may never end.

SteelerDan43 03-02-2006 03:25 PM

Re: Retire Clemente's 21??
 
Without Clemente the latin player is no where near as far along. In latin countries he is what Babe Ruth is to whites and Jackie Robinson is to blacks...

RoethlisBURGHer 03-02-2006 05:31 PM

Re: Retire Clemente's 21??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SteelerDan43
Without Clemente the latin player is no where near as far along. In latin countries he is what Babe Ruth is to whites and Jackie Robinson is to blacks...

While I agree with this statement,he wasn't the first latin player to play in the majors.He is the most celebrated however.

Also,would he be looked upon the same way if he hadn't died in such a tragic way?Personally,I don't think so.

SteelerDan43 03-02-2006 06:05 PM

Re: Retire Clemente's 21??
 
Ok well I will respectfully disagree lol...


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