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Kanata-Steeler 01-21-2012 05:31 AM

But is it Too Late to Fix Ben ?!
 
8 years of "bad habits" under Bruce Ariens is gonna be hard to break for even an older "stud" like Ben.
mmm, I dunno ? we'll see.
But one thing is for sure, the new OC, or Tomlin, will NOT play a severely injured Ben, ever again.

Whodis 01-21-2012 07:54 AM

Re: But is it Too Late to Fix Ben ?!
 
Ben will be fine... If we get a fullback and get a running game going I think it will open up more options for him and buy a lot more time.

plenewken 01-21-2012 09:11 AM

Re: But is it Too Late to Fix Ben ?!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kanata-Steeler (Post 987348)
8 years of "bad habits" under Bruce Ariens is gonna be hard to break for even an older "stud" like Ben.
mmm, I dunno ? we'll see.
But one thing is for sure, the new OC, or Tomlin, will NOT play a severely injured Ben, ever again.

He'll be OK but he needs to be more professional than he's been under Arians. It starts with conditioning, attending practice, watching tapes etc......
Fat, slow, too many bad decisions, too inconsistent doesn't cut it when the guy's paid $100M. I hope the new OC is firm on these issues.

TRH 01-21-2012 09:15 AM

Re: But is it Too Late to Fix Ben ?!
 
He'll be fine.
To me, it was the "scheme" Arians had designd (or non-designed depending on how you look at it).

Abandoning the TE's, lack of quick slant's which the new modern NFL thrives on (all the big QB's use it), plus a bad OL. These were all significant contributing factors.

jiminpa 01-21-2012 10:04 AM

Re: But is it Too Late to Fix Ben ?!
 
Is it too late to fix Ben? Probably, but we can hope.

mesaSteeler 01-21-2012 10:15 AM

Re: But is it Too Late to Fix Ben ?!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by plenewken (Post 987412)
He'll be OK but he needs to be more professional than he's been under Arians. It starts with conditioning, attending practice, watching tapes etc......
Fat, slow, too many bad decisions, too inconsistent doesn't cut it when the guy's paid $100M. I hope the new OC is firm on these issues.

Absolutely correct. Unprofessional is exactly the word to describe the relationship was between Airhead and Big Ben. It's Tomlin's responsibility to stop that and he failed. The coaches run the team, not the players.

stb_steeler 01-21-2012 10:34 AM

Re: But is it Too Late to Fix Ben ?!
 
What ever happen to Ben working with the receivers on the off season?
or at least thats what we've heard. Its true an off season conditioning wouldnt hurt Ben, but i guess he'd rather play golf n cards with Bruce.....:noidea:

FanSince72 01-21-2012 10:45 AM

Re: But is it Too Late to Fix Ben ?!
 
What is there to fix?

You know, the Rooney's weren't blind when they picked Ben.

They knew what they were getting and from the first time he touched the ball right up to now, Ben has always been a scrambler and has always done his thing, so why does he now need to be "fixed"?

He's been at this now going into his eighth season and he is who he is.
Trying to change anything in him now is a waste of time and could actually do more harm than good.
If the Rooney's don't like that, they can always point him towards the door.

former RB 01-21-2012 10:53 AM

Re: But is it Too Late to Fix Ben ?!
 
Take 10 tackling dummies, paint numbers on them and stand them up in different spots downfield. Have Ben take ghost snaps and drop back. As soon as he sets his feet, have someone call out a number, Ben throws at the number of the dummy called out. It teachs you to throw with accuracy on rhythm.

Elway didn't change his game until he lost his mobility due to injury. He was forced to become a rhythm passer. He was already accurate because he was a baseball pitcher.

If Ben does the above drill, WHICH IS A DRILL THAT I TEACH- he will improve his vision, increase his accuracy, and make faster decisions.

plenewken 01-21-2012 11:55 AM

Re: But is it Too Late to Fix Ben ?!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FanSince72 (Post 987445)

He's been at this now going into his eighth season and he is who he is.
Trying to change anything in him now is a waste of time and could actually do more harm than good.
If the Rooney's don't like that, they can always point him towards the door.

Ben is not gifted enough to avoid practicing and certainly not fit enough to not hit the gym.
Pro golfers, even the top ones, work on their game and physical condition consistently, and there's nobody who hit them on the golf course.

Scrambling is one thing but Ben's not even remotely close to being the best at it. How many rushing yds and TDs did he get the last 3 years? How many times has he been sacked the last 3 years?. Great scramblers don't get pounded week in and week out. like Ben does.


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