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BKAnthem 01-24-2012 08:04 PM

Do you think the Arians "retirement" was a shot across Tomlins Bow....
 
By the Rooneys? I'm not saying he's in danger of being fired...but just that he better stop being as hands off with his coordinators as he has been? Or more may follow suit?

NoFieldFive 01-24-2012 08:32 PM

Re: Do you think the Arians "retirement" was a shot across Tomlins Bow....
 
wonder what Tomlin and Gilbert saw in Arians to want to keep him. did they really think the offense produced this past year?

good thing Rooney stepped in and made the right call.

tony hipchest 01-24-2012 08:37 PM

Re: Do you think the Arians "retirement" was a shot across Tomlins Bow....
 
in a way it was. but in another way it was kinda ownership protecting him and taking the pressure off.

tomlin is still a very young coach who has experienced a ton of success. im sure the last thing he wants to do is screw that all up with a bad (or the wrong) decision.

voila... all that is thrown out the window and taken out of his hands. now he can get back to running the team even if that means dealing with the beloved adversity he relishes.

im in management so i can understand. there are the rare instances where you are really stumped and can use your superiors expertice to lean on.

i am the boss and pretty much have full autonomous control of my project and all the employees, but there's been a time where MY boss stepped in with the assist, and did the "dirty work". i felt a sense of relief knowing they had my back and were willing to take the heat.

likewise i am willing to take the heat for my employees at times, even if THEY are wrong. i know they appreciate that as well.

i think its kinda just the nature of the business and we shouldnt read too much into it. life will go on and the steelers will get better.

60_MINUTES 01-24-2012 08:49 PM

Re: Do you think the Arians "retirement" was a shot across Tomlins Bow....
 
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Originally Posted by tony hipchest (Post 989363)
in a way it was. but in another way it was kinda ownership protecting him and taking the pressure off.

tomlin is still a very young coach who has experienced a ton of success. im sure the last thing he wants to do is screw that all up with a bad (or the wrong) decision.

voila... all that is thrown out the window and taken out of his hands. now he can get back to running the team even if that means dealing with the beloved adversity he relishes.

im in management so i can understand. there are the rare instances where you are really stumped and can use your superiors expertice to lean on.

i am the boss and pretty much have full autonomous control of my project and all the employees, but there's been a time where MY boss stepped in with the assist, and did the "dirty work". i felt a sense of relief knowing they had my back and were willing to take the heat.

likewise i am willing to take the heat for my employees at times, even if THEY are wrong. i know they appreciate that as well.

i think its kinda just the nature of the business and we shouldnt read too much into it. life will go on and the steelers will get better.



I know exactly what your saying and your right for the most part but I dont think so in this instance.. I actullay think Tomlin is to close to his players and to BEN... The Rooneys stepped in and I agree with the guy up top.. if I were Tomlin I think I might learn the difference in being a coach and being a friend who is a coach. To me getting to close to the guys is gonna bite you sooner or later

FrancoLambert 01-24-2012 08:51 PM

Re: Do you think the Arians "retirement" was a shot across Tomlins Bow....
 
It's certainly a nudge and hopefully Tomlin sees it that way. The offense cannot remain status quo and improve at the same time.

tony hipchest 01-24-2012 09:28 PM

Re: Do you think the Arians "retirement" was a shot across Tomlins Bow....
 
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Originally Posted by 60_MINUTES (Post 989365)
I know exactly what your saying and your right for the most part but I dont think so in this instance.. I actullay think Tomlin is to close to his players and to BEN... The Rooneys stepped in and I agree with the guy up top.. if I were Tomlin I think I might learn the difference in being a coach and being a friend who is a coach. To me getting to close to the guys is gonna bite you sooner or later

i give tomlin a bit more credit than that. he is an extremely intelligent man and one hell of a "people person". its in his nature.

but he most certainly knows where his bread is buttered.

i'd say he's a full blown company man in blue collared clothing, but thats just my perception.

the last thing anyone wants is baby huey resenting the HC for dumping his guardian. big ben can resent the rooneys all he wants as long as theyre still writing his checks and everything will be fine.

zcoop 01-24-2012 09:36 PM

Re: Do you think the Arians "retirement" was a shot across Tomlins Bow....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tony hipchest (Post 989382)
i give tomlin a bit more credit than that. he is an extremely intelligent man and one hell of a "people person". its in his nature.

but he most certainly knows where his bread is buttered.

i'd say he's a full blown company man in blue collared clothing, but thats just my perception.

the last thing anyone wants is baby huey resenting the HC for dumping his guardian. big ben can resent the rooneys all he wants as long as theyre still writing his checks and everything will be fine.

I give Mike more credit that that also. He is a grown azz man and has been for quite some time. He doesn't need a lesson on how to be a man.

The Rooneys hired him to do a job and I hope they will allow him to do it. The last thing we need is a Jerry Jones, Arthur Blank or Al Davis type of organization. That kind of management haven't won CHIT lately.

BKAnthem 01-24-2012 10:10 PM

Re: Do you think the Arians "retirement" was a shot across Tomlins Bow....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tony hipchest (Post 989382)
i give tomlin a bit more credit than that. he is an extremely intelligent man and one hell of a "people person". its in his nature.

but he most certainly knows where his bread is buttered.

i'd say he's a full blown company man in blue collared clothing, but thats just my perception.

the last thing anyone wants is baby huey resenting the HC for dumping his guardian. big ben can resent the rooneys all he wants as long as theyre still writing his checks and everything will be fine.

Good Point

60_MINUTES 01-24-2012 10:15 PM

Re: Do you think the Arians "retirement" was a shot across Tomlins Bow....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zcoop (Post 989388)
I give Mike more credit that that also. He is a grown azz man and has been for quite some time. He doesn't need a lesson on how to be a man.

The Rooneys hired him to do a job and I hope they will allow him to do it. The last thing we need is a Jerry Jones, Arthur Blank or Al Davis type of organization. That kind of management haven't won CHIT lately.



The Rooneys have done this for over 40 years... Im quite sure we know what kind of Management we have.. Tomlin on the other hand we dont know yet... all we do know is its clear to everyone that the Rooneys had to step in and fire a guy that everyone in the football world agreed needed to go... Now given the fact the Rooneys never do this... I think we can all agree... they are not anywhere near owners like you mentioned above ( again see 40 years of business for proof of that) it doesnt say alot for Tomlin being the man we think he is...

Yes he talks it but in this case the Rooneys had to walk it.. Lets hope Tomlin starts owning more things... Or maybe we can hope he unleeshes Hell on the Coord that everyone especailly his boss knows needs to go..

By the way Im not a Tomin hater... I just think the book is still out on the guy... all I do know is the Rooneys dont usually have to do things like this.. Their past doesnt need approval... Tomlins future will be defined on how he handles this team over the next 5 to 7 years.. So far he is off to a good start.. I still think he is to close to come guys which is understandable.. the guy is the same age they are... I think he will be a better coach 5 years from now.. again we will see about him.. we dont have to see about our Rooneys they have done it better than anyone else in history over the last 40 years

jiminpa 01-24-2012 10:36 PM

Re: Do you think the Arians "retirement" was a shot across Tomlins Bow....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 60_MINUTES (Post 989403)
Yes he talks it but in this case the Rooneys had to walk it.. Lets hope Tomlin starts owning more things...

I hope I am wrong, but that's how I've viewed him for years now. He can talk, but he doesn't walk. He strikes me as one of those guys who interviews great, but can't actually do the job. He would be a great team spokesman. He is an excellent corporate communicator; he can say absolutely nothing in a lot of words with the best of them, and that is a talent. He's has a very likable public persona, until he doesn't follow through with any of it, and as a spokesman he wouldn't be accountable for the follow through.


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