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Vis 06-05-2012 12:36 PM

Jerry Sandusky child sex-abuse trial
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201..._a13&eref=sihp

BELLEFONTE, Pa. (AP) -- Three of the 16 jurors and alternates needed for former Penn State football coach Jerry Sandusky's child sex abuse trial were selected Tuesday morning, a defense attorney told The Associated Press.
The jurors were picked during the opening hours of jury selection, defense attorney Karl Rominger said during a midday break.
Prospective jurors also learned at the start of jury selection that the wife and son of Sandusky's former boss, Joe Paterno, were among the potential defense witnesses.
The names of Sue and Jay Paterno and members of Sandusky's family were on a list shown to the prospective jurors, along with assistant coach Mike McQueary and his father, John McQueary. Mike McQueary, on leave from the team, has said he saw Sandusky naked in a team shower with a young boy more than a decade ago and reported it to Penn State football coach Joe Paterno.
Mike McQueary is also on the prosecution's list, along with young men who have accused Sandusky of abusing them.
Sandusky, 68, faces 52 criminal counts and potential penalties that could result in an effective life prison sentence for alleged abuse involving 10 boys. The former Penn State assistant football coach has denied the allegations.
Judge John Cleland told the more than 220 potential jurors he would not sequester them, meaning they can spend nights at home during the trial that is expected to last several weeks.
While about a dozen TV news trucks and more than 50 reporters waited outside the courthouse for updates, Cleland urged the jury pool to avoid news accounts or social media postings.
"No one in the world will know as much about this trial as the people sitting in the jury box," Cleland told them.
Sandusky is attending jury selection, and laughed at some of Cleland's humorous remarks to potential jurors. But when Cleland told the pool the nature of the charge, Sandusky put his head down.
More than 600 summonses were sent out to residents in Centre County, the home of Penn State University's main campus. The process of finding the 12 jurors and four alternates could take days.
Cleland addressed the prospective jurors in a somber, packed courtroom. The prospective jurors were to be taken in groups of 40 for more questions and, ultimately to face one-on-one questioning in a third phase, for those who were not dismissed beforehand.
The fact that jurors are being chosen from among people who live in the State College area was a victory for the defense, which had argued against bringing in jurors from elsewhere in the state.
Early in the process, jurors were asked to indicate through a system in which they held up cards whether they had connections to Penn State.
About a dozen signaled that they worked or had retired from the university; another half-dozen said they had spouses who worked for the school.
Four indicated they knew Sandusky. Two said they knew his wife, Dottie, who was not in court on Tuesday.
Two potential jurors indicated they had previously volunteered with the youth charity Sandusky had founded.
Of the first group of 40 to be questioned Tuesday morning, Cleland dismissed five for medical reasons or vacation plans.
Looking worn out and concerned, Sandusky didn't say anything during that phase of jury selection, in contrast to the polite "good mornings" exchanged by attorneys to potential jurors.
Cleland said he hoped to get through all the potential jurors on Tuesday, but that prospect appeared highly unlikely.
Some of the alleged victims are expected to testify during the trial, the opening of which is likely to begin on Monday morning. Cleland said the trial may last three weeks.
Prosecutors have claimed that Sandusky groomed boys he met through the charity he founded for at-risk youth in 1977, then attacked them, in some cases in his own home or inside university athletic facilities.
Among the challenges for jury selection are the extraordinarily heavy news coverage of the scandal and the wide reach of the charity, The Second Mile.

Vis 06-05-2012 12:44 PM

Re: Jerry Sandusky child sex-abuse trial
 
I still think McQueary should have taken that boy to the hospital immediately, pausing only for a quick pummeling of Sandusky. Assuming, of course, that his story is true, i don't know how you walk away from the rape of a child.

Vincent 06-05-2012 03:10 PM

Re: Jerry Sandusky child sex-abuse trial
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vis (Post 1014948)
I still think McQueary should have taken that boy to the hospital immediately, pausing only for a quick pummeling of Sandusky. Assuming, of course, that his story is true, i don't know how you walk away from the rape of a child.

Where is the line between the homosexual rape of a child and them merely being a "couple"?

Atlanta Dan 06-05-2012 03:23 PM

Re: Jerry Sandusky child sex-abuse trial
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vincent (Post 1014962)
Where is the line between the homosexual rape of a child and them merely being a "couple"?

Probably about the same place it is for heterosexual child rape

Vincent 06-05-2012 03:35 PM

Re: Jerry Sandusky child sex-abuse trial
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlanta Dan (Post 1014964)
Probably about the same place it is for heterosexual child rape

Its a murky world with blurry boundaries, ergo the question.

"According to a (Mayo) study of 2429 adult male pedophile sex offenders in the U.S., only 7% identified themselves as “exclusive.” This suggests that the majority of pedophiles, or at a minimum pedophiles prone to acting on their urges, are attracted sexually to both children and adults."

HALL, MD, RYAN C. W.; AND RICHARD C. W. HALL, MD, PA.. “A Profile of Pedophilia: Definition, Characteristics of Offenders, Recidivism, Treatment Outcomes, and Forensic Issues“ (PDF). MAYO CLIN PROC 82:457-471 2007. MAYO FOUNDATION FOR MEDICAL EDUCATION AND RESEARCH.

hicksfan 06-08-2012 11:27 AM

Re: Jerry Sandusky child sex-abuse trial
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vincent (Post 1014962)
Where is the line between the homosexual rape of a child and them merely being a "couple"?

i'd say that somewhere around the legal age of consent? not sure of your implication but homosexuality and pedophilia are not synonymous.

Vincent 06-08-2012 04:15 PM

Re: Jerry Sandusky child sex-abuse trial
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hicksfan (Post 1015393)
i'd say that somewhere around the legal age of consent?

Academia is moving the frontier. Seems that they take issue with this "legal age of consent" thing as "agism". They wish to dismiss it altogether so gays can leave their families and "begin their lives".

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/...23/94446.shtml
Academics Defend Pedophilia
Daniel J. Flynn
Thursday, Sept. 23, 2004

Are pedophiles the next campus “victim” group? A tiny but vocal group of academics are working to make the answer yes.

New York University Press’s Lavender Culture calls to demolish the “archaic” notions of “the innocence of children” and “the potential harmfulness of sex.” To do this, an essayist in the text advises readers to “proselytize” to “young gay people with the message that…they should get out of their families as soon as they can.” The danger of not doing this, the author explains, is having “future generations of gay people who wait until their twenties before they start to live.” The essay seeks the repeal of “repressive, ageist legislation.”

How did this rant against age of consent laws wind up in an ostensibly scholarly publication? Since the piece cites famed sex researcher Alfred Kinsey, New York University Press transforms it from screed to scholarship. The piece claims, for instance, that “the myth that children are not sexual beings . . . is maintained, after all, in the face of massive evidence to the contrary. . . . Infants in their cribs have orgasms — Kinsey documented them in babies less than a year old.”

UC-Santa Cruz Professor Gayle Rubin calls the government’s crackdown on child molesters “a savage and undeserved witch hunt.” Intolerance of pedophilia, she claims, has “more in common with ideologies of racism than with true ethics.” Rubin advances these opinions in the first essay of The Lesbian and Gay Studies Reader, where she writes: “boy lovers are so stigmatized that it is difficult to find defenders for their civil liberties, let alone erotic orientation. Consequently, the police have feasted on them. Local police, the FBI and watchdog postal inspectors have joined to build a huge apparatus whose sole aim is to wipe out the community of men who love underaged youth.”

Rubin, too, cites Kinsey’s scholarship. She writes, “Alfred Kinsey approached the study of sex with the same uninhibited curiosity he had previously applied to examining species of wasp. His scientific detachment gave his work a refreshing neutrality.”

In a piece once used in a Cornell University course called “The Sexual Child,” Pat Califa writes, “Culturally induced schizophrenia allows parents to make sentimental speeches about the fleeting innocence of childhood and the happiness of years unbroken by carnal lust — and exhaust themselves policing the sex lives of their children. Children are celibate because their parents prevent them from playing with other little kids or adults.”

Public Sex, the tome where this essay resides, leans on Kinsey to grant science’s imprimatur to child-adult sex. Califa states, “Even though many prominent sex researchers have documented the existence of sexual capacity in children (for instance Kinsey verified the occurrence of orgasm in girls and boys at less than six months of age), our society is fanatically determined to deny it.”

Actually, Kinsey didn’t verify anything. Child molesters with whom he corresponded with supposedly “documented the existence of sexual capacity in children.” Kinsey took them at their word, and dressed up their findings as his, as “science.”

Aversion to child-adult sexual contacts, Kinsey’s Sexual Behavior in the Human Male maintained, is “culturally conditioned.” Pedophiles don’t harm children in most cases, the Indiana University professor argued, but the “hysteria” caused by police, parents, and others in authority does. According to Kinsey’s pedophiles, who became “trained observers” in his reports, signs of “orgasm” for children as young as infants included “violent cries,” “loss of color,” and an “abundance of tears.” This wasn’t science. This was perverts rationalizing their criminal behavior.

It took more than 30 years for academics to mount a serious challenge to Kinsey. In 1981, when Judith Reisman exposed Kinsey’s pseudoscience, other academics who found Kinsey’s scholarship politically useful ignored Reisman’s revelations. As shown by the rhetoric of Gayle Rubin and other academics, they still do.

The free ride Alfred Kinsey received from intellectuals more than a half-century ago has left us with a valuable lesson: When you don’t rebut junk science the first time around, it begets more junk science.

Daniel J. Flynn is the author of Intellectual Morons: How Ideology Makes Smart People Fall for Stupid Ideas (Crown Forum, 2004).

Atlanta Dan 06-08-2012 06:23 PM

Re: Jerry Sandusky child sex-abuse trial
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vincent (Post 1015414)
Academia is moving the frontier. Seems that they take issue with this "legal age of consent" thing as "agism". They wish to dismiss it altogether so gays can leave their families and "begin their lives".

So what does this have to do with Sandusky,, who as far as we know is an alleged pedophile but also in a long term heterosexual marriage

I was unaware that "academia" was attempting to move back the age of consent to promote the "gay agenda" but you never know:noidea:

As long as we are citing scholarly studies here is one for you

Homophobes Might Be Hidden Homosexuals
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...en-homosexuals

Vincent 06-08-2012 07:21 PM

Re: Jerry Sandusky child sex-abuse trial
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlanta Dan (Post 1015438)
So what does this have to do with Sandusky,, who as far as we know is an alleged pedophile but also in a long term heterosexual marriage

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vincent (Post 1014962)
Where is the line between the homosexual rape of a child and them merely being a "couple"?

Well Dan, if you follow the thread you might note that there is a nexus between and individual being ground up by a society that is trying to eliminate "ageist" barriers to youngsters engaging in gay sex. I asked a simple, relevant question.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlanta Dan (Post 1015438)
I was unaware...

:noidea:

Oh. That was your point.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlanta Dan (Post 1015438)
As long as we are citing scholarly studies here is one for you

Homophobes Might Be Hidden Homosexuals
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...en-homosexuals

Why would that interest me?

hicksfan 06-11-2012 09:11 AM

Re: Jerry Sandusky child sex-abuse trial
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vincent (Post 1015414)
Academia is moving the frontier. Seems that they take issue with this "legal age of consent" thing as "agism". They wish to dismiss it altogether so gays can leave their families and "begin their lives".

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/...23/94446.shtml
Academics Defend Pedophilia
Daniel J. Flynn
Thursday, Sept. 23, 2004

Are pedophiles the next campus “victim” group? A tiny but vocal group of academics are working to make the answer yes.

New York University Press’s Lavender Culture calls to demolish the “archaic” notions of “the innocence of children” and “the potential harmfulness of sex.” To do this, an essayist in the text advises readers to “proselytize” to “young gay people with the message that…they should get out of their families as soon as they can.” The danger of not doing this, the author explains, is having “future generations of gay people who wait until their twenties before they start to live.” The essay seeks the repeal of “repressive, ageist legislation.”

How did this rant against age of consent laws wind up in an ostensibly scholarly publication? Since the piece cites famed sex researcher Alfred Kinsey, New York University Press transforms it from screed to scholarship. The piece claims, for instance, that “the myth that children are not sexual beings . . . is maintained, after all, in the face of massive evidence to the contrary. . . . Infants in their cribs have orgasms — Kinsey documented them in babies less than a year old.”

UC-Santa Cruz Professor Gayle Rubin calls the government’s crackdown on child molesters “a savage and undeserved witch hunt.” Intolerance of pedophilia, she claims, has “more in common with ideologies of racism than with true ethics.” Rubin advances these opinions in the first essay of The Lesbian and Gay Studies Reader, where she writes: “boy lovers are so stigmatized that it is difficult to find defenders for their civil liberties, let alone erotic orientation. Consequently, the police have feasted on them. Local police, the FBI and watchdog postal inspectors have joined to build a huge apparatus whose sole aim is to wipe out the community of men who love underaged youth.”

Rubin, too, cites Kinsey’s scholarship. She writes, “Alfred Kinsey approached the study of sex with the same uninhibited curiosity he had previously applied to examining species of wasp. His scientific detachment gave his work a refreshing neutrality.”

In a piece once used in a Cornell University course called “The Sexual Child,” Pat Califa writes, “Culturally induced schizophrenia allows parents to make sentimental speeches about the fleeting innocence of childhood and the happiness of years unbroken by carnal lust — and exhaust themselves policing the sex lives of their children. Children are celibate because their parents prevent them from playing with other little kids or adults.”

Public Sex, the tome where this essay resides, leans on Kinsey to grant science’s imprimatur to child-adult sex. Califa states, “Even though many prominent sex researchers have documented the existence of sexual capacity in children (for instance Kinsey verified the occurrence of orgasm in girls and boys at less than six months of age), our society is fanatically determined to deny it.”

Actually, Kinsey didn’t verify anything. Child molesters with whom he corresponded with supposedly “documented the existence of sexual capacity in children.” Kinsey took them at their word, and dressed up their findings as his, as “science.”

Aversion to child-adult sexual contacts, Kinsey’s Sexual Behavior in the Human Male maintained, is “culturally conditioned.” Pedophiles don’t harm children in most cases, the Indiana University professor argued, but the “hysteria” caused by police, parents, and others in authority does. According to Kinsey’s pedophiles, who became “trained observers” in his reports, signs of “orgasm” for children as young as infants included “violent cries,” “loss of color,” and an “abundance of tears.” This wasn’t science. This was perverts rationalizing their criminal behavior.

It took more than 30 years for academics to mount a serious challenge to Kinsey. In 1981, when Judith Reisman exposed Kinsey’s pseudoscience, other academics who found Kinsey’s scholarship politically useful ignored Reisman’s revelations. As shown by the rhetoric of Gayle Rubin and other academics, they still do.

The free ride Alfred Kinsey received from intellectuals more than a half-century ago has left us with a valuable lesson: When you don’t rebut junk science the first time around, it begets more junk science.

Daniel J. Flynn is the author of Intellectual Morons: How Ideology Makes Smart People Fall for Stupid Ideas (Crown Forum, 2004).

your age of consent disagreement is a silly notion at best. this article is almost 8 years old. how far has this "group" gotten with their argument? regardless of what gets published about what a small number of people think, we still have a flat-earth society in this day and age as well as creationists. what if we went by the opinions of the kkk about race relations? and again, i see you equating homosexuality with pedophilia and the two are not related anymore than heterosexuality and pedophilia. do you have any other intention than to misrepresent what's factual?


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