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maddog78 10-10-2012 10:56 AM

Tackling the catch
 
The "focus" is to tackle the catch? I'm not sure I've ever seen a pass defense designed to allow pass completions, and I sure don't like it.

These numbers are abysmal. They're either shackling CBs who can be better, or protecting bad ones. Without a pass rush, this defense won't stand a chance.

http://triblive.com/sports/2742594-7...#axzz28rm3v1gc

“We’re tackling the catch,” Allen said. “That’s not to say we can’t still do better, but that’s what our focus is.”

Edman 10-10-2012 11:08 AM

Re: Tackling the catch
 
Forget the crappy scheme, the problem is why do the Steelers always switch to it at the least appropriate time?

Darkstorm05 10-10-2012 11:16 AM

Re: Tackling the catch
 
We aren't the only team running Prevent D, but I think we use it the most. I'm not a fan of it at all.

steeltheone 10-10-2012 11:20 AM

Re: Tackling the catch
 
We only have one " cover DB " and that's Ike...clark is a missle hitter, just not a great cover guy.

maddog78 10-10-2012 11:52 AM

Re: Tackling the catch
 
Tom Bradley on 93.7 was asked about this and made a fair point that you can't assign targets to receivers playing zone, but still, the defense as a whole is designed to allow catches.

This is why guys like Carson Palmer have field days against us and look ordinary against other teams.

Steelersfan87 10-10-2012 12:55 PM

Re: Tackling the catch
 
Internet forum defensive coordinators guild.

Yes, ignore the fact that the defense ranks 3rd in passing yards allowed. Ignore the fact that they rank 8th in yards per attempt. Ignore the fact that they've given up less 20+ yard receptions than anybody else in the league. Let's focus only on the things that fit within the agenda de jour that the Steelers' passing defense sucks.

Hawaii 5-0 10-10-2012 01:05 PM

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even the Steeler DBs admit they need to play better...

Ike Taylor had a fine 2011 right up until he met Demaryius Thomas in Denver, both at the end of last season and the start of this one. Whether those wounded him or not, overall this season, he’s allowed 16 completions on the 29 times his receiver has been the pass target, according to Pro Football Focus. That ranks 134th out of 164 cornerbacks in the NFL.

Yeah, really.

Taylor can play much better, and he knows it.

Keenan Lewis, a first-year starter, has allowed 15 completions on 24 targets. That ranks 157th. And his next official pass defensed will be his first.

Unlike Taylor, no one knows if Lewis can play better. There’s no precedent.

No one knows if Curtis Brown can replace him, either. The franchise’s highest draft pick among defensive backs in the past six years — third round, 2011 — still can’t find his way to the field.

Allen has fit in with the rest, allowing 10 completions on 14 targets. That ranks 115th.

At safety, Mundy has allowed nine completions on 12 targets. That ranks 119th.


Mike Tomlin strongly hinted Monday that he’ll spell Mundy with Will Allen, but that’s hardly the cavalry. Allen, 30, is in his ninth NFL season and hasn’t made a start since Oct. 4, 2009.

Answers, anyone?

“With Troy not being there, it’ll be tough, but we strive to pick up our game every week,” Cortez Allen said. “The standard is the standard. We’ll get it done.”

“Even with Troy, we’ve got to get better,” Lewis said.

Lewis is right, of course, as the above numbers illustrate. There’s ample room to improve.

http://triblive.com/sports/columnist...#ixzz28rdxwgFL[/QUOTE]

maddog78 10-10-2012 01:13 PM

Re: Tackling the catch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dodens Grav (Post 1036236)
Internet forum defensive coordinators guild.

Yes, ignore the fact that the defense ranks 3rd in passing yards allowed. Ignore the fact that they rank 8th in yards per attempt. Ignore the fact that they've given up less 20+ yard receptions than anybody else in the league. Let's focus only on the things that fit within the agenda de jour that the Steelers' passing defense sucks.

Or ignore the fact that opposing QBs have a 100.9 rating against this defense (25th in the league), 62.4% completion rate (18th in the league), thrown only 1 INT (28th in the league), been sacked 8 times (24th in the league), thrown 8 TD passes (19th in the league).

The defense is allowing 22.2 points a game (16th) while the offense is #2 in TOP.

If the offense goes into a slump and has a series of 3 and outs, do you trust this defense?

Hawaii 5-0 10-10-2012 01:24 PM

Re: Tackling the catch
 
"And yet, Tomlin and Colbert brought a roster into Latrobe that had no real fail-safe for Polamalu and/or Clark being hurt at safety"...

this is what really bothers me, how is it that we once again only had Ryan Mundy as our main back-up at safety?

Darkstorm05 10-10-2012 01:36 PM

Re: Tackling the catch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dodens Grav (Post 1036236)
Internet forum defensive coordinators guild.

Yes, ignore the fact that the defense ranks 3rd in passing yards allowed. Ignore the fact that they rank 8th in yards per attempt. Ignore the fact that they've given up less 20+ yard receptions than anybody else in the league. Let's focus only on the things that fit within the agenda de jour that the Steelers' passing defense sucks.


Also ignore the fact that most of the teams that had an early bye are filling in the top slots, because they have an entire game missing in these totals. Look at something meaningful, like points scored against us per game, where we rank 16th in the league. We're averaging 23 points against us per game.

I don't care if we've only given up 9 passing yards the entire season, the points we've given up is what matters most. Our W-L record reflects this.


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