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maddog78 10-23-2012 07:57 AM

Bears defense
 
I went to bed at halftime, but at the time, the Bears had established the league lead with 18 turnovers and it was only their sixth game.

It's no accident. They are an agressive, attacking front four and back seven. I don't see contain/read/react up front, just crushing the pocket on every play. They don't give an inch and rip, strip, and in Peanut Tillman's case, punch the ball out. He literally makes a punching move on the ball while he's wrapping up.

We have different players and run a different scheme, but I'd still like to see a little more of this and a little less "tackling the catch". It's not like they have a huge talent advantage on the Steelers.

They just choose to use theirs in a different manner, and it's fun to watch.

Atlanta Dan 10-23-2012 08:13 AM

Re: Bears defense
 
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Originally Posted by maddog78 (Post 1040612)
I went to bed at halftime, but at the time, the Bears had established the league lead with 18 turnovers and it was only their sixth game.

It's no accident. They are an agressive, attacking front four and back seven. I don't see contain/read/react up front, just crushing the pocket on every play. They don't give an inch and rip, strip, and in Peanut Tillman's case, punch the ball out. He literally makes a punching move on the ball while he's wrapping up.

We have different players and run a different scheme, but I'd still like to see a little more of this and a little less "tackling the catch". It's not like they have a huge talent advantage on the Steelers.

They just choose to use theirs in a different manner, and it's fun to watch.

Steelers scheme worked just fine when Hampton, Polamalu and Harrison (and before hime Porter) had more tread on their tires from 2004 - 2008

The sense of entitlement to being on top every season is understandable but perhaps not realistic

There may be some changes if LeBeau retires - but as the saying goes, be careful what you wish for - talented players make for success more often than talented schemes

maddog78 10-23-2012 08:22 AM

Re: Bears defense
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlanta Dan (Post 1040618)
Steelers scheme worked just fine when Hampton, Polamalu and Harrison (and before hime Porter) had more tread on their tires from 2004 - 2008

The sense of entitlement to being on top every season is understandable but perhaps not realistic

There may be some changes if LeBeau retires - but as the saying goes, be careful what you wish for - talented players make for success more often than talented schemes

If that's the case, coordinator doesn't matter so much. Why so much allegiance to DL, then.

:noidea:

When we've seen the Steelers defense attack this year, they've been very good. When they've laid back, very bad.

Same talent on the field, too.

Atlanta Dan 10-23-2012 08:27 AM

Re: Bears defense
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maddog78 (Post 1040620)
If that's the case, coordinator doesn't matter so much. Why so much allegiance to DL, then.

:noidea:

When we've seen the Steelers defense attack this year, they've been very good. When they've laid back, very bad.

Same talent on the field, too.

When have they "attacked" this year? Attacking Mark Sanchez doesn't count - there are college defenses that could attack him

maddog78 10-23-2012 08:38 AM

Re: Bears defense
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlanta Dan (Post 1040625)
When have they "attacked" this year? Attacking Mark Sanchez doesn't count - there are college defenses that could attack him

Did you miss the Philly game?

Atlanta Dan 10-23-2012 08:49 AM

Re: Bears defense
 
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Originally Posted by maddog78 (Post 1040629)
Did you miss the Philly game?

You mean the one where Vick fumbled at the goal line for one of 3 fumbles and the D gave up another lead in the 4 quarter?

Eagles offense ranks 30 out of 32 in points scored - consider the possibility the Eagles ineptitude was what kept the score down

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...OINTS_GAME_AVG

Serious question - would you "attack" RGIII this week? His style in some ways looks like a faster version of Ben - if you lose containment he will look for the receiver as coverage breaks down and then can use his speed to run for big gains

ETL 10-23-2012 08:50 AM

Re: Bears defense
 
Praising the Bears opens up the argument about making a team through trades and free agency versus the draft. The Steelers are the poster child for a home grown team developed by the draft. They generally abhor paying money to high priced free agents and trading top draft picks for established players. The Bears on the other hand are the poster child for a team made by free agency and the draft. Four years ago they were pathetic. They added Cutler and moved up a notch. They added Julius peppers several years back and moved up another notch. Finally with the addition of Brandon Marshall this year via trade things seem to be clicking on all cylinders.
You may argue that most of the defense on the bears were drafted and that is true but you can't imagine what a humongous difference adding Julius Peppers has made. I know because I live here in Chicago and that team is night and day with peppers

steelfury02 10-23-2012 09:08 AM

Re: Bears defense
 
my stomach is night and day with the Peppers

maddog78 10-23-2012 09:53 AM

Re: Bears defense
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlanta Dan (Post 1040631)
Serious question - would you "attack" RGIII this week? His style in some ways looks like a faster version of Ben - if you lose containment he will look for the receiver as coverage breaks down and then can use his speed to run for big gains

Good question. This is an interesting challenge, for sure. We'll need some kind of hybrid approach, I would suspect, to both contain RGIII but also not let him complete easy short pass after easy short pass. Jam the receivers more, maybe?

I don't think you want everyone running upfield after him and leaving the middle wide open for his fantastic running ability.

Really wish we had Troy this game. This might be a good time to have Timmons spy this guy all over the field.

Rotorhead 10-23-2012 10:35 AM

I think if there was ever a time for the old "contain and make a rookie beat you in the air" I feel this is it. Keep him in the pocket and make him beat us with his arm and their lack of rcvrs.


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