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desertsteel 11-13-2012 04:04 PM

BYRON: Let's Talk Negative Plays by the Numbers
 
OK...so I have read all of the football experts on here talk about Byron's long delivery and how it is conducive to turnovers and fumbles. How many fumbles did he have last night in the rain with no reps? How many interceptions? How many sacks? What was that number again? ZERO, ZERO, ZERO.

OK... moving on...

You say that was just one half of football. Well Byron was a starter for several years and his throwing motion and mobility has been the same since college when he was drafted #7 overall. Let's look at his career stats for negative plays. And to make it more applicable, let's compare them to Ben's (No, I'm not saying that Byron's overall play should be compared with Ben's, but let's compare negative plays).

http://i.minus.com/jigVHvMXQBoOn.jpg

OK... So Byron has fewer Int's, Fumbles for Loss and Sacks than Ben does. Overall, almost 13% of Ben's attempts end up in a negative play and only 9% for Byron. So, instead of everybody parroting the TV analyst about his throwing motion, look instead to the FACTS. Overall, he takes care of the ball much better than Ben does, statistically speaking.

What we will miss is the playmaking ability of Ben, but don't expect Leftwich to go out and lose the game and have a bunch of sack-strips, because the numbers aren't there to back it up. With ball control and Byron getting a full week of reps, I expect us to rise to the occasion and get the job done against the Ratbirds.

Next man up! Whoever wants to jump ship is not on my ship to begin with.

Bayz101 11-13-2012 04:07 PM

Re: BYRON: Let's Talk Negative Plays by the Numbers
 
This is the last Leftwich thread i'm going to allow, simply because it's rational and informative. Lefty is a good quarterback, and if he's given time to prepare, he'll do his job nicely. Please keep in mind that BOTH Ben AND Byron only completed 50% of their passes. If you're going to bash Byron for his poor play with absolutely NO preparation, you damn well better look at Ben too. Not saying that should be the case, just giving Lefty credit where it's due.

desertsteel 11-13-2012 04:09 PM

Re: BYRON: Let's Talk Negative Plays by the Numbers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bayz101 (Post 1048017)
This is the last Leftwich thread i'm going to allow, simply because it's rational and informative. Lefty is a good quarterback, and if he's given time to prepare, he'll do his job nicely. Please keep in mind that BOTH Ben AND Byron only completed 50% of their passes. If you're going to bash Byron for his poor play with absolutely NO preparation, you damn well better look at Ben too. Not saying that should be the case, just giving Lefty credit where it's due.

Thanks. I was going to post it in one of the existing threads but I didn't want the numbers to get lost among the minutia.

Darkstorm05 11-13-2012 04:12 PM

Re: BYRON: Let's Talk Negative Plays by the Numbers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by desertsteel (Post 1048023)
Thanks. I was going to post it in one of the existing threads but I didn't want the numbers to get lost among the minutia.

This will also keep the inevitable "YOU QUOTED STATS???" war in it's own thread.

desertsteel 11-13-2012 04:22 PM

Re: BYRON: Let's Talk Negative Plays by the Numbers
 
Plus those were pretty bad conditions to come into last night even for someone prepared (see Ben's stats), much less someone who hasn't played in 2 years. BL is a MUCH better QB than Dennis Dixon. He was also better than Cassel last night.

FanSince72 11-13-2012 05:06 PM

Re: BYRON: Let's Talk Negative Plays by the Numbers
 
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desertsteel 11-13-2012 05:14 PM

Re: BYRON: Let's Talk Negative Plays by the Numbers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FanSince72 (Post 1048060)

Yes... let's base everything off of a John Gruden or Chris Collinsworth one-liner. Sacks, Fumbles and INT's are stats that matter. They translate into losses. Especially for someone who is being asked to game-manage like Byron will.

FanSince72 11-13-2012 05:32 PM

Re: BYRON: Let's Talk Negative Plays by the Numbers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by desertsteel (Post 1048064)
Yes... let's base everything off of a John Gruden or Chris Collinsworth one-liner. Sacks, Fumbles and INT's are stats that matter. They translate into losses. Especially for someone who is being asked to game-manage like Byron will.

Stats only tell you what happened in the past -- they don't predict the future.

Here's a stat for everyone: Leftwich completed 7 passes last night, WHICH EQUALS THE AMOUNT OF PASS ATTEMPTS HE'S HAD IN THE TWO YEARS PRIOR TO LAST NIGHT'S GAME!

So how in God's name can anyone apply statistics to a guy who has thrown all of seven passes in two years and has thrown a grand total of fifty passes in a Steeler uniform (including last night's game) since 2008? The only consistent set of numbers that could possibly apply to Leftwich are at least five years old and those numbers are supposed to mean something?

Bayz101 11-13-2012 05:41 PM

Re: BYRON: Let's Talk Negative Plays by the Numbers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FanSince72 (Post 1048077)
Stats only tell you what happened in the past -- they don't predict the future.

Here's a stat for everyone: Leftwich completed 7 passes last night, WHICH EQUALS THE AMOUNT OF PASS ATTEMPTS HE'S HAD IN THE TWO YEARS PRIOR TO LAST NIGHT'S GAME!

So how in God's name can anyone apply statistics to a guy who has thrown all of seven passes in two years and has thrown a grand total of fifty passes in a Steeler uniform (including last night's game) since 2008? The only consistent set of numbers that could possibly apply to Leftwich are at least five years old and those numbers are supposed to mean something?

Preseason week one: 3/5 for 14 yards and a touchdown.
Preseason week three: 5/8 for 105 yards and two touchdowns.

8/13 for 119 yards and three touchdowns in limited play this preseason. He came in last night and finished the game with the EXACT SAME completion percentage as Ben with NO warm up and preparation. Give credit where it's due. He's had some unlucky injuries in recent years, but he's a great QB. Two years with "seven" passes and he STILL did almost equally as good as Ben did with NO preparation in AWFUL weather.

jiminpa 11-13-2012 06:57 PM

Re: BYRON: Let's Talk Negative Plays by the Numbers
 
I'm more concerned with his fragility than his delivery. His delivery makes his passes predictable. It also gives him a longer range than Ben, whose range is great. We have the best receiving corps in the NFL, and a significant running game. I'm betting that Haley can build a game plan for Byron. I do think the FO should consider finding a better backup for Ben next year though. They probably won't, and that's okay too.


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