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Steelers5895 12-23-2012 09:27 PM

Big Ben Comebacks
 
Prior to the 2008 season and since then, i have seen Ben fail more than succeed with comeback attempts. He was amazing in 2008 with the climax in super bowl 43 but since then the comebacks have been far and few, to include a shot to win in super bowl 45.

This year, 3 chances to win a game (Den, Dallas, Cincy) and all three wound up with interceptions.

I am losing confidence in his ability to bring us back from behind or from a tie.

GoFor7 12-23-2012 09:30 PM

Re: Big Ben Comebacks
 
*sigh* How many times does it have to be explained to you people......

When you handcuff the QB for the first 58 minutes of the game, and then ask him to bail the team out in the last 2 minutes, he's not always going to be able to do it. That may not have been the case against the Bengals as the offense was terrible all day, but it has been the story for much of the season.

Want more from Ben? Let him win the game earlier instead of worrying about time of possession for the first 3 quarters.

Not hard to understand.

Steelers5895 12-23-2012 09:33 PM

Re: Big Ben Comebacks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GoFor7 (Post 1069313)
*sigh* How many times does it have to be explained to you people......

When you handcuff the QB for the first 58 minutes of the game, and then ask him to bail the team out in the last 2 minutes, he's not always going to be able to do it. That may not have been the case against the Bengals as the offense was terrible all day, but it has been the story for much of the season.

Want more from Ben? Let him win the game earlier instead of worrying about time of possession for the first 3 quarters.

Not hard to understand.

disagree. the defense was a no show vs denver and dallas this year and ben was having very good success. when he had the ball with the chance to win or OT he turned the ball over.

same in super bowl 45 for that matter.

when was he handcuffed? example?

tanda10506 12-23-2012 09:35 PM

Re: Big Ben Comebacks
 
Not prior to 2008. He has been pretty clutch from the beginning (except the 05 SB) up until the 2010 SB loss. Before that SB he was magnificent, some where saying possibly the most clutch QB of all time, but since that SB loss he has failed every attempt he has had. I too am losing quite a bit of confidence. This year he did more then just not winning the game at the end, 3 times he sealed the deal for the opponent (Denver, Dallas, today).

GoFor7 12-23-2012 09:36 PM

Re: Big Ben Comebacks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steelers5895 (Post 1069318)
disagree. the defense was a no show vs denver and dallas this year and ben was having very good success. when he had the ball with the chance to win or OT he turned the ball over.

same in super bowl 45 for that matter.

when was he handcuffed? example?

In Denver, the Steelers offense was more worried about time of possession than scoring. Quite evident in their play calling with RUTM on almost every 1st and 2nd down. When you play close to the vest as often as the Steelers do, you're QB won't bail you out every time.

Steelers5895 12-23-2012 09:37 PM

Re: Big Ben Comebacks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tanda10506 (Post 1069321)
Not prior to 2008. He has been pretty clutch from the beginning (except the 05 SB) up until the 2010 SB loss. Before that SB he was magnificent, some where saying possibly the most clutch QB of all time, but since that SB loss he has failed every attempt he has had. I too am losing quite a bit of confidence. This year he did more then just not winning the game, 3 times he sealed the deal for the opponent (Denver, Dallas, today).

thats my feeling exactly. we got spoiled in 2008 and since he has been very shaky to a failure. wonder how much is him or our wide receivers. i lost confidence in them this year. lots of talk, little prodcution, lots of mistakes. none have a ring.

Steelers5895 12-23-2012 09:38 PM

Re: Big Ben Comebacks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GoFor7 (Post 1069322)
In Denver, the Steelers offense was more worried about time of possession than scoring. Quite evident in their play calling with RUTM on almost every 1st and 2nd down. When you play close to the vest as often as the Steelers do, you're QB won't bail you out every time.

how about 1 time in 2 years? they werent playing close to the vest, they were unstoppable on 3rd down in that game. peyton manning caught fire and the ball was in bens hand with a chance to win and he sealed the deal for denver...and dallas...and cincy.

ZoneBlitzer 12-23-2012 09:49 PM

Re: Big Ben Comebacks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tanda10506 (Post 1069321)
Not prior to 2008. He has been pretty clutch from the beginning (except the 05 SB) up until the 2010 SB loss. Before that SB he was magnificent, some where saying possibly the most clutch QB of all time, but since that SB loss he has failed every attempt he has had. I too am losing quite a bit of confidence. This year he did more then just not winning the game at the end, 3 times he sealed the deal for the opponent (Denver, Dallas, today).

Yup. Spot on. But you won't hear that from the media. He was outstanding but unfortunately fortune has a way of evening out. He is losing his mojo.

Steelers5895 12-23-2012 09:50 PM

Re: Big Ben Comebacks
 
hey i am glad to have him but when was the last comeback and for that matter, when was our last blow out?

Cherinko 12-23-2012 09:58 PM

Re: Big Ben Comebacks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GoFor7 (Post 1069313)
...When you handcuff the QB for the first 58 minutes of the game...

I have read this phrase 19 times today. You are like a politician with a talking point. Two weeks in a row Ben has concluded with game clinching interceptions (hitting two DB's in the hands). In every loss this season other than the one today, he has attempted at least 40 passes. He is not 'handcuffed' by anything other than his inability to read defenses and his unwillingness to throw the ball away. Ben is not the weak point of this team but he is not the infallible hero you make him out to be. He is the quarterback and it is a quarterback driven league. He bears responsibility. It is ok to criticize him.


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