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SteelerJay 12-29-2012 09:29 AM

Tomlin and Ben are killing the franchise
 
Yes, I know, we have won with Tomlin and Ben, a great Super Bowl, so can't knock them for that. These two, when their game is on, can work wonders.

The problem is, when their game is off, they can kill a season. They have killed more seasons than Super Bowls.

Case in point:

1) Ever since he got here, Tomlin insists in playing injured Ben even when he's ineffective. It's like some sort of blind allegiance. Maybe it''s to have an excuse if the game is lost. Who knows. Remember Ben against 49'ers last year? He could hardly walk but he starts. Apparently, Iron Man Ben insists on playing. Result? Season goes downhill. This year, Ben goes South in December.

There are two capable backup qb's on the roster but Tomlin goes with the injured starter regardless, and sticks with him through thick or thin.

2) Why the next man up philosophy does not apply to the QB position?

3) the Offensive game plans are plain offensive. No effective counter strategies or mis-directions based on the opponents strength and what the opponent is doing well in the game.

desertsteel 12-29-2012 09:31 AM

Re: Tomlin and Ben are killing the franchise
 
Is there a moron section that this can be moved to?

steeltheone 12-29-2012 09:37 AM

Re: Tomlin and Ben are killing the franchise
 
You have to play your money man...Batch and lefty are not full time winners.

harrison'samonster 12-29-2012 09:40 AM

Re: Tomlin and Ben are killing the franchise
 
Tomlin and Big Ben make mistakes like everybody else. But to say that they are killing the franchise is a bit out there.

You are right, we've never gotten a decent backup to push Ben. And yes, the SF game was a mistake, but hopefully this team learns from its mistakes.

SteelerJay 12-29-2012 09:48 AM

Re: Tomlin and Ben are killing the franchise
 
maybe some of you don't watch the caliber of qb play in the rest of the league to understand what a poor job our qb did this year....not saying it's all his fault, definitely injuries and new OC contributed significantly to this season's demise

but if there's going to be that bravado of the 'standard is the standard' and that the Steelers simply reload every year, well one has to be able to take the criticism when it crashes

harrison'samonster 12-29-2012 09:53 AM

Re: Tomlin and Ben are killing the franchise
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SteelerJay (Post 1071098)

but if there's going to be that bravado of the 'standard is the standard' and that the Steelers simply reload every year, well one has to be able to take the criticism when it crashes

those are just sayings. In reality, like Steeltheone said, Ben has been our only QB that gives us a consistent chance at winning. I like Batch and Lefty, but they are backups.

I agree with you that there have been mistakes. But I can't possibly see how these two are killing this team.

SteelerJay 12-29-2012 10:03 AM

Re: Tomlin and Ben are killing the franchise
 
ok, so Ben is a 100 million dollar qb in this league, with the likes of Peyton and Eli, Brady, Rivers etc.

new crop of qb's in the league - Newton, Griffin, Luck, Wilson, Tannehill etc... - all looking great

Ben should be in his prime all now...... is he?

StainlessStill 12-29-2012 10:31 AM

Re: Tomlin and Ben are killing the franchise
 
Unbearable. Unreadable. My skull can't handle it anymore. Stupidity.

Here's the thing, we beat Cleveland Sunday, we go 8-8. .500. That's not a losing season. You have SUFFERING franchise's (like Cleveland) who put on 4-5 win seasons yearly and rarely EVER sniff a playoff positioning. Our SUFFERING of a franchise, in our most PITIFUL of seasons, are 8-8, .500 records. I really don't think some of you would be worthy enough to go through shit like most fanbase's do.

We're in a transition year. A season like this was bound to happen. This team is WAY too talented not to rebound. I expect our coach's to act accordingly, fix the problem and go to work.

As for Ben, just some weeks ago, he was getting recognition of being the league's MVP for Christ sake! The team hit a pot-hole, Ben went down with injury and we were never the same. Lets give this team a chance to gel as an offense for consecutive seasons before writing guys like Ben Roethlisberger off!

Shame shame.

Bill Cowher's Jaw 12-29-2012 10:34 AM

Re: Tomlin and Ben are killing the franchise
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SteelerJay (Post 1071102)
ok, so Ben is a 100 million dollar qb in this league, with the likes of Peyton and Eli, Brady, Rivers etc.

new crop of qb's in the league - Newton, Griffin, Luck, Wilson, Tannehill etc... - all looking great

Ben should be in his prime all now...... is he?


He was looking pretty good until the injury so yeah..I'd say he's in his prime. Look, there's no use crying over spilled milk. He sucked after he returned from injury. We missed the playoffs because of him. Fine. But it's over now. Move on to next year. To say he's "killing the franchise" is just silly. Would you rather have Flacco, Cutler, or one of those other middle-of-the-road guys? I wouldn't. And yeah Luck, Wilson, and RG3 look good now (Newton and Tannehill don't) but let's see how many Super Bowls they get their team to over the next decade before we "crown their asses"

GoFor7 12-29-2012 10:44 AM

Re: Tomlin and Ben are killing the franchise
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Cowher's Jaw (Post 1071108)
He was looking pretty good until the injury so yeah..I'd say he's in his prime. Look, there's no use crying over spilled milk. He sucked after he returned from injury. We missed the playoffs because of him. Fine. But it's over now. Move on to next year. To say he's "killing the franchise" is just silly. Would you rather have Flacco, Cutler, or one of those other middle-of-the-road guys? I wouldn't. And yeah Luck, Wilson, and RG3 look good now (Newton and Tannehill don't) but let's see how many Super Bowls they get their team to over the next decade before we "crown their asses"

Come now, these people won't accept that. They gotta bash the star QB relentlessly and run him out of town like they did with Bradshaw.


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