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maddog78 01-22-2013 08:32 AM

Offense or defense this draft?
 
I could see them going either way. The defense is old and expensive. If LeBeau is staying, and it appears that he is, the 3-4 talent going forward is less than ideal. Who is the NT if Hampton doesn't return? McClendon is a better pass rusher, but not good against the run. Ta'amu hasn't played a snap. Who plays weak side OLB if James is cut for salary reasons? Worilds? Big step down. Troy and Clark are getting up there, Foote is a mediocre at best LB, and we may be losing Keenan Lewis.

I could easily see a defense heavy draft to re-build this unit, but again, if LeBeau is back, we won't get any returns for 2, 3, maybe 4 years out of draft picks.

On the other side of the ball, we don't have a starting running back under contract and our deep threat WR is leaving. We're losing our two most reliable (health wise) OL in Starks and Foster, most likely, though we should be solid on the OL if (big if) injuries don't bite again.

Ben has five years left, max, probably less the way he gets battered. I'd rather see the team go all in on offense, drafting one of the Tennessee WRs in the first round and a stud RB in the 2nd. Trade up or down if you have to, but WRs and RBs can contribute much more quickly and the Steelers need to maximize this remaining time they have with Ben.

If the defense slips to a 10th ranked unit, so be it, the goal is to get the offense up into the top 10.

desertsteel 01-22-2013 08:53 AM

Re: Offense or defense this draft?
 
That's the kind of posts I'd like to see more of from you maddog. Great stuff!

lloydwoodson 01-22-2013 09:15 AM

Re: Offense or defense this draft?
 
The Steelers tried building around Ben. They really did. They drafted Mendenhall, Sweed, Wallace, Antonio Brown and Emmanuel Sanders in back to back years. You are 4 years late to the Steelers mindset.

The new Steelers mindset is "The Steelers have to build on the OL and DL and win the game in the trenches, establish a running game, and get back to fundamentals because Ben is not the superstar we thought he was and we can't score much more than 21 points a game in any season."

Roethlisberger had Ward, Holmes and Miller in their primes in 2009, plus a brilliant rookie contribution from Wallace and the Steelers only scored 23 points per game. Mendenhall had a 4.6 ypc that year as well. There are no offensive players in this draft that are going to make the Steelers offense dominant. The Steelers will never have more talent on offense than they did in 2009.

The Steelers need to address the defense because Harrison, Polamalu and Hampton are the players who have made the defense exceptional and who need to be replaced with competent players. The likelihood of finding 3 players as good is slim to none. The Steelers defense will slide and maybe past 10th when these players are gone even with viable replacements.

steelfury02 01-22-2013 09:19 AM

Re: Offense or defense this draft?
 
we have to hope that the young guys who come on board on defense can help create some havoc once again - that's my only knock on the defense, while realizing injuries, is that our guys haven't been able to create enough turnovers the past 2 seasons. I'd love to get back to at least giving our mediocre offense some short fields.

I think Ben could get back to heading towards the top of his game if we can keep our O unit healthy as well - I really loved what I was seeing before Ben went down.

maddog78 01-22-2013 09:40 AM

Re: Offense or defense this draft?
 
Well, if we try to patch the defense through the draft, it should be ready by 2016.

Disagree that there is no offensive talent in the draft to help the Steelers. ND tight end? Hunter from Tennessee? Lacy from Alabama?

Part of the Steelers can't score in the red zone because they can't run the ball and have no big targets at receiver.

Doesn't help that the offensive line usually takes five games or less because it is decimated with injuries.

VaDave 01-22-2013 10:03 AM

Re: Offense or defense this draft?
 
I say both!

We could have as many as 18 players leaving. We are not going to fill all of these slots with the draft.

IMO, we need strength and depth along both lines, as well as two impact level OLBs to replace Harrison, and Woodley, unless he gets his humungus posterior shrunk down to playing weight, and plays like he actually means it more often than his typical 4 plays a game ( How about 10 Wood?? That's not too much to ask, is it?). We take care of those issues, everything else will fall into place.

OK, a new punter unless Butler can get his average over 43 yards a pop. Have I ever mentioned how well he sets the ball for placement kicks????

Seriously, when you see that much improvement out of your kicker, especially one that never was much good before this season, it is something you got to consider. Maybe that 4-5 yards Butler's been shanking 'em short, is worth the extra 20 points a year your kicker brings in. In Suiesem's ( pardon the spelling) case, maybe as many as 30 points this year?

lloydwoodson 01-22-2013 10:07 AM

Re: Offense or defense this draft?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maddog78 (Post 1079978)
Well, if we try to patch the defense through the draft, it should be ready by 2016.

Disagree that there is no offensive talent in the draft to help the Steelers. ND tight end? Hunter from Tennessee? Lacy from Alabama?

Part of the Steelers can't score in the red zone because they can't run the ball and have no big targets at receiver.

Doesn't help that the offensive line usually takes five games or less because it is decimated with injuries.

Eiffert isn't better than Miller. Hunter isn't better than Wallace. Lacy isn't better than Mendenhall.

9 years of offenses scoring 20-23 points per game and fans still think next year they will score 28-30.

maddog78 01-22-2013 10:20 AM

Re: Offense or defense this draft?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lloydwoodson (Post 1079985)
Eiffert isn't better than Miller. Hunter isn't better than Wallace. Lacy isn't better than Mendenhall.

9 years of offenses scoring 20-23 points per game and fans still think next year they will score 28-30.

Well, we're going to lose Mendy and Wallace, and Heath is coming off of a devastating knee injury. How can the offense improve without new weapons?

Eiffert is freaky in his ability. Hunter uses his big body in a way that no Steeler receiver is capable of. It's an element of the passing game we don't have. Watching guys like Boldin, Smith, and Jones go up and snag tough catches in traffic the past couple of weekends was a thing of beauty. We don't see that in Pittsburgh.

Lacy runs hard and physical, and as far as I know, shows up to every game. I'd take my chances that he'll be better than Mendenhall. Just don't think we can get him in the 2nd round if we take a receiver in the first.

I think Haley was off to a good start, then the OL, Brown, and Ben got hurt. They never got their rhythm again after that. I don't think it's unrealistic to expect, with some better luck re: injuries and a couple of pieces added, that they can't score 25-26 a game and be a top ten offense.

Steelers5895 01-22-2013 10:46 AM

Re: Offense or defense this draft?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lloydwoodson (Post 1079960)
The Steelers tried building around Ben. They really did. They drafted Mendenhall, Sweed, Wallace, Antonio Brown and Emmanuel Sanders in back to back years. You are 4 years late to the Steelers mindset.

The new Steelers mindset is "The Steelers have to build on the OL and DL and win the game in the trenches, establish a running game, and get back to fundamentals because Ben is not the superstar we thought he was and we can't score much more than 21 points a game in any season."

Roethlisberger had Ward, Holmes and Miller in their primes in 2009, plus a brilliant rookie contribution from Wallace and the Steelers only scored 23 points per game. Mendenhall had a 4.6 ypc that year as well. There are no offensive players in this draft that are going to make the Steelers offense dominant. The Steelers will never have more talent on offense than they did in 2009.

The Steelers need to address the defense because Harrison, Polamalu and Hampton are the players who have made the defense exceptional and who need to be replaced with competent players. The likelihood of finding 3 players as good is slim to none. The Steelers defense will slide and maybe past 10th when these players are gone even with viable replacements.

Talk about a ben hater. The steelers didnt draft to put talent around Ben, they did that one draft with Mendy and Sweed. Other than that it was 3rd and lower draft picks. hit or miss.

if our defense is so great as you think they are...23 is more than enough no?

Rotorhead 01-22-2013 11:11 AM

We get it 5895, you hate DL and our Def has always sucked, the 3-4 is terrible and can never do any good . . . Why dont you try adding to a discussion instead of taking every chance you can to bash DL and the Def.


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