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SteelersCanada 02-16-2013 04:41 PM

The Simple Fact of the Matter - A Pass Rusher Will Fall To Us
 
Here's what it ultimately boils down to - an elite pass rusher will fall to us at 17. Now, the only question here is who that is going to be. There's many theories and speculation right now might be a little bit premature since this is pre-combine, but the logic is still sound: one of the elite pass rushers is going to fall to us. So, let's look at who the elite pass rushers are in 2013 (in no particular order) -

Jarvis Jones
Dion Jordan
Barkevious Mingo
Damontre Moore
Bjoern Werner
Ezekiel Ansah

Now, it's debatable whether or not we're going to have a choice of at least two of these guys with the possibility of three. Realistically, we can rule out a couple of these guys right now. Jarvis Jones, despite his health concerns, will not fall past the Jets at 9. If there's a blue Moon and a complete eclipse on April 25 and he falls, he won't get past the Saints at 15. Period. Now, Damontre Moore's stock was originally sky-high but it has taken a hit. Even still, I don't see him being available at 17. The same could be said for Bjoern Werner who, again, was impressive in his final season with the Seminoles. If we're going to predict the future by looking in the past, pass rushers will fall. Now, I think Ezekiel Ansah is going to raise his stock and continue to impress at the combine and his pro-day, so I figure he's going to be off the board at 17.

I can see three guys being available to us at 17 -

Dion Jordan, Barkevious Mingo and possibly Damontre Moore depending on whether or not his stock continues to take a hit, but I figure he's going to be off the board by the time we pick. That leaves Bark and Dion as our two choices here. Both are elite pass rushers that need to improve their technique and develop a next-level disengage move while better using their arms, but the potential these two possess are off the charts. I wish I had an answer here, I really do. I just don't know who I'd take. They're both fluid athletes with the same upside and room for improvement. They're roughly the same size and same strength on top of that.

The point is, one of those guys is going to be available to us at 17. I don't think Warmack or Vaccaro will be on the board at 17 so it's down to these two.

Steel Glory 02-16-2013 06:51 PM

Re: The Simple Fact of the Matter - A Pass Rusher Will Fall To Us
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SteelersCanada (Post 1085741)
Here's what it ultimately boils down to - an elite pass rusher will fall to us at 17. Now, the only question here is who that is going to be. There's many theories and speculation right now might be a little bit premature since this is pre-combine, but the logic is still sound: one of the elite pass rushers is going to fall to us. So, let's look at who the elite pass rushers are in 2013 (in no particular order) -

Jarvis Jones
Dion Jordan
Barkevious Mingo
Damontre Moore
Bjoern Werner
Ezekiel Ansah

Now, it's debatable whether or not we're going to have a choice of at least two of these guys with the possibility of three. Realistically, we can rule out a couple of these guys right now. Jarvis Jones, despite his health concerns, will not fall past the Jets at 9. If there's a blue Moon and a complete eclipse on April 25 and he falls, he won't get past the Saints at 15. Period. Now, Damontre Moore's stock was originally sky-high but it has taken a hit. Even still, I don't see him being available at 17. The same could be said for Bjoern Werner who, again, was impressive in his final season with the Seminoles. If we're going to predict the future by looking in the past, pass rushers will fall. Now, I think Ezekiel Ansah is going to raise his stock and continue to impress at the combine and his pro-day, so I figure he's going to be off the board at 17.

I can see three guys being available to us at 17 -

Dion Jordan, Barkevious Mingo and possibly Damontre Moore depending on whether or not his stock continues to take a hit, but I figure he's going to be off the board by the time we pick. That leaves Bark and Dion as our two choices here. Both are elite pass rushers that need to improve their technique and develop a next-level disengage move while better using their arms, but the potential these two possess are off the charts. I wish I had an answer here, I really do. I just don't know who I'd take. They're both fluid athletes with the same upside and room for improvement. They're roughly the same size and same strength on top of that.

The point is, one of those guys is going to be available to us at 17. I don't think Warmack or Vaccaro will be on the board at 17 so it's down to these two.

I never say something isn't a possibility, but if we were left we these two guys, I would much rather have Dion Jordan. He has better coverage ability and Jordan and more solid production behind him.

PhantomJB93 02-16-2013 08:25 PM

Re: The Simple Fact of the Matter - A Pass Rusher Will Fall To Us
 
Anybody except Mingo. After watching college tape of Mingo he's by far the least impressive on the list and it shocks me that he was once considered a sure-fire top 5 pick. He's still a good pass-rusher but IMO barely a first round talent and probably not spectacular enough to take over a safety like Vaccaro or Elam.

Realistically I think our pick will be either Jordan or Vaccaro. Jones, Moore, Werner are all top ten talents and after the JPP experiment Ansah will be high on lists too. I've never been big on Jordan and don't like his tape but physically I see why people are so excited about him.

kan_t 02-16-2013 10:37 PM

Re: The Simple Fact of the Matter - A Pass Rusher Will Fall To Us
 
I agree that an elite pass rusher will fall. But I also think that Warmack will be available at #17. Guard just doesn't get drafted that high. Vaccaro's chance of still being on board at #17 is 50/50.

So it really is a decision between drafting the BPA (Warmack) or need (Pass rusher/ Safety).

I'm glad that I don't need to make that decision.

SteelersCanada 02-16-2013 11:18 PM

Re: The Simple Fact of the Matter - A Pass Rusher Will Fall To Us
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kan_t (Post 1085769)
I agree that an elite pass rusher will fall. But I also think that Warmack will be available at #17. Guard just doesn't get drafted that high. Vaccaro's chance of still being on board at #17 is 50/50.

So it really is a decision between drafting the BPA (Warmack) or need (Pass rusher/ Safety).

I'm glad that I don't need to make that decision.

I think that DeCastro falling to us was a minor miracle and I don't expect a Guard of Warmack's or DeCastro's ability to fall again. There's too many teams out there that now need to start rebuilding their offensive line and that starts with Warmack. The Cowboys, Giants, Titans and the Rams are all looking to retool their offensive lines. If he does drop to around 14 - 16, I expect the Cowboys or Giants to trade up and snag him.

kan_t 02-17-2013 10:34 AM

Re: The Simple Fact of the Matter - A Pass Rusher Will Fall To Us
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SteelersCanada (Post 1085775)
I think that DeCastro falling to us was a minor miracle and I don't expect a Guard of Warmack's or DeCastro's ability to fall again. There's too many teams out there that now need to start rebuilding their offensive line and that starts with Warmack. The Cowboys, Giants, Titans and the Rams are all looking to retool their offensive lines. If he does drop to around 14 - 16, I expect the Cowboys or Giants to trade up and snag him.

DeCastro's falling was a minor miracle to us because we picked at #24 last year. This time the Steeler will pick at #17 and this position actually is the range of picking the top guard in the draft. No guard was drafted higher than #15 since 1998.

1998 - Mo Collins (#23)
1999 - Matt Stinchcomb (#18)
2000 - Travis Claridge (#37)
2001 - Steve Hutchinson (#17)
2002 - Kendall Simmons (#30)
2003 - Eric Steinbach (#33)
2004 - Shawn Andrews (#16)
2005 - Logan Mankins (#32)
2006 - Davin Joseph (#23)
2007 - Ben Grubbs (#29)
2008 - Branden Albert (#15)
2009 - Andy Levitre (#51)
2010 - Mike Iupati (#17)
2011 - Danny Watkins (#23)
2012 - David DeCastro (#24)

Every years there are teams that want to re-build their OL. But history shows that teams just didn't pick top guard that high.


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