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SteelersCanada 02-23-2013 04:22 PM

Is Heath Miller Worth 8 Million / Year Now?
 
This is a question that is going to get laughed at and get people riled up. Now, before that happens, let me ask you guys this - is he really worth 8 million dollars in 2013 / 2014? Let's look at his cap hit -

2013 - 7 958 500

2014 - 7 966 500

Over the next two years, we're paying a 30 year old Tight End 15 925 000. Now, this isn't any 30 year old TE - it's Heath Miller for God sake. Heeeeaaaaaatttthhhhhh Miller. The guy that has been Ben's most reliable target for the last 8 years. He's probably the most beloved man in the city of Pittsburgh and nothing he could do could change that. I hope you guys sensed the "but" coming.

But - he's not worth that money. In the first four games he had 6 TDs in 4 games and he was the redzone target for Ben. He's the guy that Ben finds open every time, no matter how long he's scrambling for his life when everything breaks down. We're treading in unfamiliar waters here - we're going to lose a lot of our guys that were here for the '08 title either this offseason or next. There's only a few guys on this team that have two rings and they only have a year left with this team as well. Heath Miller is one of these guys. He's coming off of a very serious knee injury - an ACL tear isn't something to scoff at. Not every single player is Adrian Peterson and expecting him to be back in time for the season is a pipe dream. Miller might be surehanded, but he's no AD. He's going to need time to rehab and get healthy and, quite frankly, it's time we don't have. We're seeing the tail end of that with Polamalu - we don't have time to give guys that are coming off of serious injuries time to rehab. More importantly, we don't have the cap room to do so.

Troy Polamalu - 10,137,500
Heath Miller - 7 958 500
James Harrison - 10,035,000
Brett Keisel - 4,500,000
Ryan Clark - 4,750,000

Those five players, all of whom are on the wrong side of 30 and had injuries at some point this season make up 37 381 000. We're focusing on Heath Miller here, though. Is he surehanded? Yes. Is he a fan favorite? No question. That being said, he's simply not worth the 8 million dollars he's going to count against the cap next season. There's a very good chance the next time he sees the field, he'll be 31 (October 22).

If we're serious about getting younger and getting more explosive on offense, these guys (with the exception of Clark) have to go. If we're serious about reloading and not rebuilding this team while maintaining the young guys we have on it (Allen, Lewis, Sanders) as the future of this team, these guys have to go. Miller is coming off of an injury that he might never be able to fully recover from. Not only that, how many healthy years does he (realistically) have left? With the cap situation we're in, this would easily be the hardest cut to make. I do think that it's a necessary one as I don't see him being extended beyond 2014 anyway.

I know this is going to get me crucified on here and I'm willing to take it so as long as you guys see where I'm coming from. I wouldn't pay Heath 8 million this year or any year after last. We can find free agents options for cheap that are very similar players to Miller and have shown it. Martellus Bennett was a reliable option for Eli last year. Delanie Walker was sitting behind Vernon Davis for his time in San Fran, but he showed his potential in that offense. We could find pieces in the draft, too. Guys like Escobar and Williams in the mid-to-late rounds would be suitable replacements.

We have to get younger and getting younger means making hard decisions. He's not the first place we should look to get to cap compliance and bring in the 'new generation' of Steelers, but he's definitely an option to look at to get younger this offseason.

harrison'samonster 02-23-2013 04:34 PM

Re: Is Heath Miller Worth 8 Million / Year Now?
 
you make a good argument, but other than this injury Miller's been able to keep healthy and I don't see why he can't be around another 4 or 5 years. Another thing about Miller is there is the Offensive tackles are going to both be young and will likely need help from time to time in the blocking.

I am worried that he's going to miss time on the field this year and it seems like we need a short term answer whether or not he's going to be around in the future or not.

pete74 02-23-2013 04:39 PM

Re: Is Heath Miller Worth 8 Million / Year Now?
 
I would drop troy, Harrison, and Keisel first. I think Heath can play at a high level for the remainder of his contract. He is the one player who hasn't slowed down and I expect him to train his ass off all summer and come back week 1 in tip top condition

TheVet 02-23-2013 04:55 PM

Re: Is Heath Miller Worth 8 Million / Year Now?
 
I don't think you can do much to speed the healing of an ACL injury. Of course he'll "train his ass off," but the recovery period before that's possible is long. His injury occurred at the end of the year, so it's hard to really expect much at all from him in the 2013 season. Anything we get from Heath next year is a bonus.

Having said that, this is something I always wonder about. If a played is injured, is it really the case that the missed time counts against the cap? That seems wrong. Also, I assume that insurance policies held by the Steelers reduces the actual dollar hit. There must be some kind of procedures in place to allow a team to ride out a season-killing injury in a way that's fair to the owners and the player. Anybody know the options?

Good topic to discuss, but a healthy Heath Miller in his early 30's is well worth $8m/yr in my opinion - he's top notch at an important skill position. But we're talking about minimal production in 2013, full production in 2014.

harrison'samonster 02-23-2013 05:31 PM

Re: Is Heath Miller Worth 8 Million / Year Now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheVet (Post 1086918)
I don't think you can do much to speed the healing of an ACL injury. Of course he'll "train his ass off," but the recovery period before that's possible is long. His injury occurred at the end of the year, so it's hard to really expect much at all from him in the 2013 season. Anything we get from Heath next year is a bonus.

Having said that, this is something I always wonder about. If a played is injured, is it really the case that the missed time counts against the cap? That seems wrong. Also, I assume that insurance policies held by the Steelers reduces the actual dollar hit. There must be some kind of procedures in place to allow a team to ride out a season-killing injury in a way that's fair to the owners and the player. Anybody know the options?

Good topic to discuss, but a healthy Heath Miller in his early 30's is well worth $8m/yr in my opinion - he's top notch at an important skill position. But we're talking about minimal production in 2013, full production in 2014.

very good point. I don't know of any options myself. I would assume that he would have to be placed on the injured reserve list by March 12th and would be unable to play all season, but I know of nothing specific. This would seem like it would benefit players and ownership.

EDIT: I don't know if this is in Miller's contract, but: "Many players also make less money if they are put on the IR list, which is sometimes referred to as the reserve/injured list. Players often agree to contracts that include reduced salaries if they go on IR. Often called split salaries, they usually are between 40 percent and 70 percent of the players' normal salaries. Not all contracts include reduced salaries for players who are put on IR. The Collective Bargaining Agreement between the NFL and the NFL Players Association (NFLPA) also sets minimum amounts for players' split salaries."

TheVet 02-23-2013 06:15 PM

Re: Is Heath Miller Worth 8 Million / Year Now?
 
Yes, that looks like the kind of thing I had in mind. Good find. Hopefully the Steelers and Miller have something like this in place, or can otherwise get together to work it out.

harrison'samonster 02-23-2013 06:28 PM

Re: Is Heath Miller Worth 8 Million / Year Now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheVet (Post 1086923)
Yes, that looks like the kind of thing I had in mind. Good find. Hopefully the Steelers and Miller have something like this in place, or can otherwise get together to work it out.

thanks, I think if something like this is in Miller's contract then it has to be an option at this point. That could be somewhere between 3-5 million dollars this season to go toward signing Lewis or whomever.

The_Joker 02-23-2013 06:36 PM

Re: Is Heath Miller Worth 8 Million / Year Now?
 
Yes

teegre 02-23-2013 06:38 PM

Re: Is Heath Miller Worth 8 Million / Year Now?
 
Canada, you wrote my response:

He's the guy that Ben finds open every time, no matter how long he's scrambling for his life when everything breaks down.

So, Yes, keep him.

fer522 02-23-2013 06:55 PM

Re: Is Heath Miller Worth 8 Million / Year Now?
 
Only if we can get Gonzales for 1 year and we draft the TE from notre dame


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