Originally Posted by Vincent
Well, the reason I went with the older article was knowing that it would draw fire, it set the stage for where we are today - repeating the history of 40 years ago when academia was petitioning the APA to declassify homosexuality.
I realize that drawing any parallel between homosexuality and pedophilia makes “modern” folk edgy. But there are common elements that need to be explored and addressed, and I submit that to not do so would qualify one for “flat Earth society” membership more so than raising the questions.
I started by asking essentially what age separates pedophilia from "mere" homosexuality. It bears noting that there is a distinction to be made between "heterosexual" pedophilia and "homosexual" pedophilia.
As one might expect, Mayo has extensive research that helps answer some of these questions. As it happens, there are indeed not "just pedophiles", but categories of pedophiles that cut across my questions. Interestingly "of adult male pedophiles, only 7% identified themselves as exclusively sexually attracted to children", indicating that the vast majority carried their "orientation" into the abuse of children. The research further indicated that there is male "heterosexual" pedophilia and male "homosexual" pedophilia. A particularly revealing statistic is that "the percentage of homosexual pedophiles ranges from 9% to 40%, which is approximately 4 to 20 times higher than the rate of adult men attracted to other adult men (using a prevalence rate of adult homosexuality of 2%-4%)". But you'll be relieved to know that the research "does not imply that homosexuals are more likely to molest children, just that a larger percentage of pedophiles are homosexual or bisexual in orientation to children." That's certainly good news for the homosexual community. Otherwise folks would think of them as perverts or something. Oh, and the research points out that "homosexual" pedophiles are nearly eight times more prolific than "heterosexual" pedophiles, but I doubt that that reflects on the homosexual community that much. Well, because there is absolutely no relationship whatsoever between homosexuality and pedophilia, and certainly anybody that thinks so must be a flat Earther or Creationist Right?
CATEGORIES OF PEDOPHILES
Pedophiles are subdivided into several classifications. One of the first distinctions made when classifying pedophiles is to determine whether they are “exclusively” attracted to children (exclusive pedophile) or attracted to adults as well as children (nonexclusive pedophile). In a study by Abel and Harlow15 of 2429 adult male pedophiles, only 7% identified themselves as exclusively sexually attracted to children, which confirms the general view that most pedophiles are part of the nonexclusive group.
Pedophiles are usually attracted to a particular age range and/or sex of child. Research categorizes male pedophiles by whether they are attracted to only male children (homosexual pedophilia), female children (heterosexual pedophilia), or children from both sexes (bisexual pedophilia).3,6,10,29 The percentage of homosexual pedophiles ranges from 9% to 40%, which is approximately 4 to 20 times higher than the rate of adult men attracted to other adult men (using a prevalence rate of adult homosexuality of 2%-4%).5,7,10,19,29,30 This finding does not imply that homosexuals are more likely to molest children, just that a larger percentage of pedophiles are homosexual or bisexual in orientation to children.19 Individuals attracted to females usually prefer children between the ages of 8 and 10 years.3,5,31 Individuals attracted to males usually prefer slightly older boys between the ages of 10 and 13 years.3,5 Heterosexual pedophiles, in self-report studies, have on average abused 5.2 children and committed an average of 34 sexual acts vs homosexual pedophiles who have on average abused 10.7 children and committed an average of 52 acts.15 Bisexual offenders have on average abused 27.3 children and committed more than 120 acts.15 A study by Abel et al32 of 377 nonincarcerated, non-incest-related pedophiles, whose legal situations had been resolved and who were surveyed using an anonymous self-report questionnaire, found that heterosexual pedophiles on average reported abusing 19.8 children and committing 23.2 acts, whereas homosexual pedophiles had abused 150.2 children and committed 281.7 acts. These studies confirm law enforcement reports about the serial nature of the crime, the large number of children abused by each pedophile, and the underreporting of assaults.1 Studies that used self-reports and polygraphs show that pedophiles currently in treatment underreport their current interest in children and past behaviors.33,34
If you follow the link for that article, you’ll see it was taken down. Must have ruffled some feathers. The study is available at cost to professionals at these sites…
It took so long to remember just what happened.
I was so young and vestal then,
you know it hurt me,
but I'm breathing so I guess I'm still alive
even if signs seem to tell me otherwise.
I've got my hands bound,
my head down, my eyes closed,
and my throat wide open.
Do unto others what has been done to you
I'm treading water,
I need to sleep a while.
My lamb and martyr, you look so precious.
Won't you come a bit closer,
close enough so I can smell you.
I need you to feel this,
I can't stand to burn too long.
Released in this sodomy.
For one sweet moment I am whole.
Do unto you now what has been done to me.
You're breathing so I guess you're still alive
even if signs seem to tell me otherwise.
Won't you come just a bit closer,
close enough so I can smell you.
I need you to feel this.
I need this to make me whole.
There's release in this sodomy.
For I am your witness that
blood and flesh can be trusted.
And only this one holy medium brings me piece of mind.
Got your hands bound, your head down,
your eyes closed.
You look so precious now.
(Show me something
Thought I could make it end
Thought I could wash the stains away
Thought I could break the circle if I
Slipped right into your skin
So sweet was your surrender
We have become one
I have become my terror
And you my precious lamb and martyr.)
I have found some kind of temporary sanity in this
shit blood and cum on my hands.
I've come round full circle.
My lamb and martyr, this will be over soon.
You look so precious.
tool - prison sex
by and large pedophilia is learned behavior, you'll be hard-pressed to find many pedophiles that weren't victims when they were young. not all who are abused turned into pedophiles, but those that do become pedophiles were once victims. to me, that's one point you neglect to assert in your campaign against homosexuality. you immediately equate physical acts (whether sexual or abuse) with orientation. are those that use "prison sex" to establish hierarchy in prison homosexual? in all acts, consequences dictate the course of our actions. to me it's incorrect to label all of these acts simply as "homosexuality" and use that to dismiss categorically. the assertion that homosexuality begets pedophilia is a gross oversimplification of the overall situation. you use that to validate to yourself that homosexuality in itself is immoral. that supports that belief, right? that's the overall rub, isn't it? you don't have a true argument to what consenting adults can do with each other so you lump in with those that truly have moral issues with their actions. just like flat-earthers and creationists, you ignore several critical points to keep your stance intact.
if you have an argument as to why homosexuality amongst consenting adults is immoral, i'm all ears.