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Old 01-26-2013, 01:46 PM   #29
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Originally Posted by WokeUpWithaWoodley View Post
You were talking about spence only being 5-11 im showing you two very good linebackers who were that height. Like I said earlier and some else verified my comment that farrior was playing around 230 or under, he had no probably tackling big backs and tight ends.
Farrior was a good, not great, Linebacker. He was lean and could tackle, sure, but he couldn't cover. They're two different Linebackers and comparing them - even by weight - is a mistake. I get what you're saying, I do, but even back then I questioned his weight.

Originally Posted by WokeUpWithaWoodley View Post
I'm showing you cant also go by what the typical height weight for positions players are n the nfl I showed you two safeties that were very good at 5-9 and you want safeties to be 5-11 and up, I showed you two great wr who are 5-8 5-9 who are pro bowlers in a league where wr should be 6-0 and up. Just like how you say linebackers should weigh more cause of running backs and tight ends, well wr should be taller cause corners are 5-11 and up so you would think welker and smith would not be good but that's the opposite because they are football players.
That ideology isn't great. Sure, there are the occasional players that are undersized that do well, but for the most part, they're unconventional and specialist players. Look at Chris Rainey, for example. He's fast and can catch out of the backfield in the flat, but he couldn't take a hit because he was too small.

There are guys like Flowers and Welker that are undersized and do great things in the league, but it's few and far between that small guys achieve anything. For every single guy you named there's 100 guys that are of a similar stature that didn't achieve or do anything in this league because of the obvious disadvantage and handicap they have of being too small.

Originally Posted by WokeUpWithaWoodley View Post
Here's a snipet from the Baltimore sun
I'm going to be honest here, I only read where Lewis said he was 235 and that's fantastic. I'm happy for him being 235 and achieving. You have to understand that this isn't the norm and even now, it's unusual to see a truly great ILB be under 240.

Originally Posted by WokeUpWithaWoodley View Post
Of course there is the expecting of Willis urlacher Cushing and such but it's a new era now like the what those experts have said.
Uh, Willis is the new generation of Linebacker. He was drafted in 2007. Brian Cushing, who is a top 5 ILB, was drafted in 2009. These guys are the new era and prototypical Linebacker because they're two dimensional and possess both the ability to cover and make plays in the backfield. Spence is a one dimensional player because of his size and doesn't have the ability to make tackles and take on bigger backs, let alone shed blocks or disrupt an offensive line.

Let's look at the top 5 ILBs in the NFL, shall we?

1. Willis
2. Cushing
3. Bowman
4. Timmons (when used properly for Christ sake)
5. Beason

What do all those guys have in common? They're all prototypical size and strength, and possess the ability to be an every-down Linebacker. Spence doesn't have the strength or size to be an every-down and ultimately, he's a one-trick pony. He can defend the pass which is fantastic, but again, this ultimately means he's a 3rd down Linebacker.

Originally Posted by WokeUpWithaWoodley View Post
I never said I was high on him go back and look I said he is unproven but has the upside to be very good. The same upside you think of Jordan.

And spence was very good in the run game at Miami he has 46 tackles for lose in his career. He shoots gaps very well to stop the running backs. I've watch a lot of film on him actually esp last year. Go look at Harrison college film, look at kiesel and smith film, Ryan Clark, those guys won't impress you. There are first round Selections ever year with great college film who turn out to be complete busts. That's what the nfl is so interesting because of the unknown factor you never know what your going to get until you put them on the field.
He has the upside to be a 3rd-and-passing distance inside Linebacker. Jordan has shown the ability to get sacks, shed blocks and use his size to his advantage.

So, you're taking collegiate stats and applying them to NFL potential? You realize that all scouts, GMs and coaches don't look at stats, yes? He played for Miami and was the only player on that defense that could do anything and was often overlooked and unblocked. Sure, he could get into the backfield when he had a direct shot into it and right on the RB but who couldn't do that? He also didn't play against any bigger, stronger Backs consistently and when he did, he got knocked around consistently.

He doesn't have the strength to be a consistent ILB in the NFL. He put up 12 reps on the bench at the combine and you're expecting him to tackle bigger, stronger and faster TEs? Really? I'd question whether or not he'd even be able to put up his own body weight more than 5 times at this point. He'd have to put on significant muscle and size to become an every down Linebacker which would impede his speed.

Think about that for a second. 12 reps. Asking someone with that kind of strength and size to tackle Pitta, Gronk, Hernandez, Richardson and Gresham isn't realistic. He would get tossed around like a rag-doll.

I don't know what you were saying with the rest of that paragraph because it doesn't have anything to do with what we're talking about. Why don't we draft a 5'4 210 ILB because of the 'unknown factor'?
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