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Old 02-16-2014, 02:52 PM   #22
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Default Re: Bill Nye (Evolution) vs. Ken Ham (Creation) Debate @ Creation Museum

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Originally Posted by CanSteel7 View Post
Really, Nazi theory rested creationism now Darwinism? Dude, read credible historical books that show Hitler and Stalin were never Christians by the way. They both leaned on Darwinism to kill how many millions of people? In fact, used to tape victims being tortured and their skin taken off their bodies and drank wine and laughed at the tapes as he listened to them. He also used to have lamp shades made of human skin. Why don't you read Hitler's book that he wrote and tell me how much he truly believed in creationism.

Overall, Hitler had a muddled view on it. For the most part though, Hitler believed in what we would call "Social Darwinism", which had nothing to do with Darwin at all. Those are the views he expresses in Mein Kampf.

He occasionally suggests that natural selection takes place, but it is not in an evolutionary way (not in a way Darwin would have suggested it at least). But in a way that a superior race would progress into a higher state of being.

From Mein Kampf -

If Nature does not wish that weaker individuals should mate with the stronger, she wishes even less that a superior race should intermingle with an inferior one; because in such a case all her efforts, throughout hundreds of thousands of years, to establish an evolutionary higher stage of being, may thus be rendered futile.

the offspring will indeed be superior to the parent which stands in the biologically lower order of being, but not so high as the higher parent. For this reason it must eventually succumb in any struggle against the higher species. Such mating contradicts the will of Nature towards the selective improvements of life in general. The favourable preliminary to this improvement is not to mate individuals of higher and lower orders of being but rather to allow the complete triumph of the higher order. The stronger must dominate and not mate with the weaker, which would signify the sacrifice of its own higher nature. . . . [F]or if such a law did not direct the process of evolution then the higher development of organic life would not be conceivable at all.

He believed in racial hierarchy, not that the genes could evolve into another species, or even that a mixing of breeds could result in a species that was better suited to its environment, as Darwin did.

From Mein Kampf -

The State should consecrate it as an institution which is called upon to produce creatures made in the likeness of the Lord and not create monsters that are a mixture of man and ape.


From the book Hitler's Table Talk -

Where do we acquire the right to believe that man has not always been what he is now? The study of nature teaches us that, in the animal kingdom just as much as in the vegetable kingdom, variations have occurred. They've occurred within the species, but none of these variations has an importance comparable with that which separates man from the monkey — assuming that this transformation really took place.



Here are his thoughts on what we would call Intelligent Design. All quotes from Mein Kampf.

Whoever would dare to raise a profane hand against that highest image of God among His creatures would sin against the bountiful Creator of this marvel and would collaborate in the expulsion from Paradise.

[I]t was by the Will of God that men were made of a certain bodily shape, were given their natures and their faculties. Whoever destroys His work wages war against God's Creation and God's Will.

The most marvelous proof of the superiority of Man, which puts man ahead of the animals, is the fact that he understands that there must be a Creator.


Again, he had a twisted view on the subject. One that both atheists and creationists have tried to pin on the other. All that is certain though, is that it is NOT the kind of evolutionary view that Darwin held, nor is it the kind of view that (most) creationists hold. (I say most because there are plenty of people, like KKK members who may be both creationists and hold the same twisted view of sub-humans as Hitler did.)

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