07-16-2007, 07:34 PM
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Re: White House, Cheney's Office Subpoenaed
Originally Posted by Preacher
Thanks... It is amazing what happens when adults discuss things... Heck, this thread shows a lot of emotion, but there sure is a difference between emotion and flaming...
Oh yeah... and about JFK...
JFK would feel like an orphan today... as would Reagan.
In my opinion, Reagan and JFK were closer to each other, and further away from both parties as they are known today.
Preacher - with respect to your view that is shared by many of us that we are living in a time of voting against rather than voting for something (although I am waiting to see if Obama, the only likely suspect for me, is capable of making the leap across our current divides), Peggy Noonan once again nails it in the context of a column in which she seems to have moved from despair to disdain regarding the President whom she previously supported so adamantly.
Americans hire presidents and fire them. They're not as sweet about it as they used to be. This is not because they have grown cynical, but because they are disappointed, by both teams and both sides. Some part of them thinks no matter who is president he will not protect them from forces at work in the world. Some part of them fears that when history looks back on this moment, on the past few presidents and the next few, it will say: Those men were not big enough for the era.
But this is a democracy. You vote, you do the best you can with the choices presented, and you show the appropriate opposition to the guy who seems most likely to bring trouble. (I think that is one reason for the polarity and division of politics now. No one knows in his gut that the guy he supports will do any good. But at least you can oppose with enthusiasm and passion the guy you feel in your gut will cause more trouble than is needed! This is what happens when the pickings are slim: The greatest passion gets funneled into opposition.)
We hire them and fire them. President Bush was hired to know more than the people, to be told all the deep inside intelligence, all the facts Americans are not told, and do the right and smart thing in response.
That's the deal. It's the real "grand bargain." If you are a midlevel Verizon executive who lives in New Jersey, this is what you do: You hire a president and tell him to take care of everything you can't take care of--the security of the nation, its well-being, its long-term interests. And you in turn do your part. You meet your part of the bargain. You work, pay your taxes, which are your financial contribution to making it all work, you become involved in local things--the boy's ball team, the library, the homeless shelter. You handle what you can handle within your ken, and give the big things to the president.
And if he can't do it, or if he can't do it as well as you pay the mortgage and help the kid next door, you get mad. And you fire him.