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Old 07-19-2007, 04:12 PM   #43
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Steelerstrength... Excellent post. Thanks for thinking through the response... Let me add a few things here.

Don't count me as one who is ticked-off. Rather one who appreciates a different perspective. I thought I should add a new perspective.
But what if I don't want a new perspective? I enjoyed the post...

I had the fortune of teaching Strength & Conditioning to scholarship & non-scholarship athletes at a D1 University of California campus for seven years. My expertise was in Men's Basketball.Our team was 60% Black and 40% white, that arrived from many different demographics. Through our many conversations, both in the weight room and at BBQ's at my home, we discussed many topics.

Regarding a college education; The overwhelming opinion was that a college education is intended to open your mind to new and different perspectives, increase your critical thinking capacity, and expand your knowledge in different subjects.
That's excellent. I wonder though if those students are a normal sample of the black student population... or any student population for that matter. I would suggest that a student that puts out that much effort at a sport has the ability to understand what dedication is across the board. As a result, they have a belief in themselves that many students, I would argue especially those from inner-city homes and school do not have.

Maybe I should have been clearer in my original post that I see this issue mainly with inner-city black children... and adults for that matter. Interestingly, it is also affecting inner-city white children, at this point, almost the same way. To a person though, it also depends on parenting, which gets into a whole different ball game. Two things happened to black men which have destroyed the black family. 1. Welfare... the state has taken the place of the man in families. 2. Vietnam. Many Many lower class black men were taken from their homes and young families and sent to Vietnam via the draft. This didn't affect white men as much because if you were in college for the most part, you were exempt from the draft. The parents of these men were share-croppers... or one generation removed, and completely destitute. Thus, this second generation, which normally generates the wealth in the family (2nd generation in a new country, or freed in a country), was not able to free their families. There were thousands upon thousands of families that were destroyed.

In the end, these families never climbed out of the system. What I would want to know, is what was your students background, and how did they make it out of the inner-city if that was their beginning. My care is not to place blame, but to find answers...

Not one person ever mentioned finding a job in the exact subject that they studied. They spoke of being a productive citizen in society by utilizing their knowledge while respecting differences, strengths and weaknesses.

Many have gone on to play basketball in other countries, France, Belgium, Italy, Germany, New Zeland, Luxemborg, Mexico, Argentina, Japan, just to name a few. Others, even with a degree in Black Studies, have become teachers and one very successful Real Estate Agent.
A degree opens doors, period. I agree. However, a degree in philosophy, science, medicine, math (engineering), etc. opens more doors.

Preacher, what you see as adding "...bonus points", I see as a method to diversify the campus that will add to the respect and identify differences in socionomics. It offers opportunity to some who, as reflected by history, may not have the means. To me that spells opportunity for all to learn from one another, not you are "not good enough to compete with other races." While it would be optimal to say the field is level and all should be treated equal no matter what, but that would be completely ignoring our historical actions as a country.
In the first part, (bolded) I understand the needed to offer opportunity to those who have been shunted by the historical racism that have been experienced in the US. What I don't understand however, is fixing the problem by not addressing the problem itself. Adding points to an application because of race doesn't address the issue that the person wasn't able to score high enough on SAT's, grades, entrance interview, etc. It simply gives the person a chance to get into school with a little bit lower overall bar. I would even be happy if these issues were actually addressed in college. But they don't seem to be. Instead, the overall level of college education seems to be diminishing (Not blaming this subject, but just hte overall level). That is why I would prefer to see inner-city students have the ability to take their federal education money, and walk away from a failing school to a private school that can give them the education.

To the second half of the post, I agree that the field should be treated equal, but can't yet because there are boneheads everywhere... on all sides. However, when it comes to employment, who is the employer going to want to give a raise or a promotion too? The person who makes the most money for the company and runs the tightest shop, without regard to race (hopefully). My problem with the whole thing is that by recognizing the problem and creating a system which tilts to accommodate the problem of racism, racism is entrenched deeper instead of eliminated. I would rather fix the problem itself (as I am sure you would... please don't read this as me saying you don't wanna!!). In my opinion, that means we must have a complete reformation of the public school system, with focus on improving or eliminating inner-city public schools (elimination would be tied in with the federal education money and bussing to private schools of the students choice within a certain radius). Yes, that would cost more money. But it is the least we can do as we built this country on the backs of slaves for the first hundred years.

We are progressing, but as obvious as this and many other similar threads prove, we are not there yet. I agree with you that racial tensions will always exist. That's exactly why we must always do battle with them, to eradicate them, as a goal, as one.
I agree. However, I don't think it will ever be done, but that is a theological belief. However, if you were in my church last Sunday, you would have seen Latino, Black, White, Jews (who follow Jesus), and Gentiles all worshiping and eating together, without a care for race. It was wonderful.
Thanks for reading a different perspective. I also appreciate yours and enjoy reading your posts.
Likewise. Education comes with the free and unhindered exchange of ideas... one place where Political correctness is destroying education.
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