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Old 04-02-2010, 02:02 PM   #1
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Default How about we discuss our macro level views?

Too often, people get bogged down in arguing over the semantics of specific issues and views get muddled. Why don't we have a little chat around your high level views and why you feel the way you do?

For instance, instead of talking about the health care bill or the pros/cons of TARP, how about discussing why you may be a fiscal or social conservative/progressive?

For me, I would say that I am not a Republican or Democrat as I hate the idea of siding with a party just to side with them. I don't like to tow a party line. I guess you could say I am conservative fiscally and with foreign policy, but more moderate socially. Some of the basic things I believe are:

  • The Constitution is the framework for what became the greatest country in the world in a relatively short period of time...why f**k with it?
  • I firmly believe in taking responsibility for ones own actions...and that is on many levels. Job performance, family life, socially, politically. Anything from picking up your dog shit to voting to your values.
  • I believe in the motto “Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime." Hence my disdain for the nanny state and for our current welfare system. I believe in the PURSUIT of happiness not in the GUARANTEE of happiness!
  • I believe in charity, but not forced by the government
  • I believe that it is OK to fail, and that it teaches you how to succeed. We need to make our children understand this.
  • I believe in our Republic and feel the federal government has tramped on states rights for far to long.
  • I believe that God and Government shouldn't be married, although I recognize that our country was founded on Christian values.
  • I believe that the race card is played way too often and too quickly in our society.
  • I believe that college students should never be taken seriously as they don't understand the real world yet and have too much time on their hands to protest things.

That's about all I can think of at the moment. My views were formulated mostly by my middle class family, as well as friends and subsequent education. I come from a family of mill workers (grandfather was a foreman at J & L Steel), but most of them feel the unions contributed to the collapse of the steel industry. My father died when I was five and left my mom with three young children (I was the oldest). She took over his business (tranny shop), raised us and went to school part time to get her college degree and now is a business professional in HR. My parents (step dad, now) have been multiple small business owners and had a few fail.

Anyway, I am rambling. Just thought it would be interesting to get some perspective on some of our viewpoints and why we think the way we do here. I would hope we can start getting away from the personal attacks that people on both sides are guilty of just totally diminishes your arguments when you resort to that stuff.


"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill

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