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Old 03-14-2012, 08:16 PM   #11
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Default Re: The Book on Mike Wallace- a true statistical analysis

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obviously no one knows what Wallace will do the rest of his career, but at this point he was a steal as a 3rd rounder. It will be interesting to see the kind of cash he is offered after yesterdays lottery for WR's. You have to think it will be big coin. I have faith in the front office to make the right decision, the ball is in there court since they can match an offer. I just hope the Raiders don't offer a huge amount, Al is gone but the Raiders love speed and over pay just like the Redskins.
i don't think they're in the running as they gave up their first rounder (and next year's one too?) for carson palmer

talk about idiotic freakin' trades. i can only dream of the day when our FO wants do deal with the raiders lol, their commitment to excellence at getting the short end of the stick.

unless they think giving up a first rounder isn't a problem since all their first rounders in recent memory have been total busts?
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Old 03-14-2012, 09:57 PM   #12
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Default Re: The Book on Mike Wallace- a true statistical analysis

Simple question:

The author makes Mike Wallace sound like the best thing to happen to football since chinstraps-- where did he disappear to for the last 8 games of this last season? Has he shown any ability yet to consistently come down with the football on intermediate to medium passing routes? Has he consistently shown the ability to learn the playbook well enough for us to be able to run the no-huddle effectively (by some accounts, the reason why we used the no-huddle so little of late, is that "certain receivers" were not familiar enough with the playbook yet)?

He still seems like a one-trick pony to me, albeit a very fast one....Antonio Brown seems like much more of an all-around threat. He must get sick of living in Mike Wallace's shadow, considering that he almost equalled Wallace's production last year, and he is a 6th round pick verses Wallace's 3rd.
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Default Re: The Book on Mike Wallace- a true statistical analysis

wow.

so far on steelersfever, steelerfans have taught me that DESPITE mike wallace

being a 1 trick pony...
disappearing for half of last season...
not knowing the playbook...
not being able to jump...
not being able to fight for balls...
not being able to run intermediate routes...
not being able to run short routes...
not being as good as antonio brown...
not having his qb for 6 games...
not knowing what to do in the no huddle...
not even being the #1 wr option til his 3rd year...
not being worth a measley $6 million dollars/year
not being a 1st round pick...
not being a 6th round steal...
not having great hands...
(did i leave anything out?)

still has amassed the best 1st 3 season start to ones career of any wr in the past 30 years not named moss or rice?

damn. you guys are right.... he really is marginal! i bet he would be pretty good if he could do all those things!

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Default Re: The Book on Mike Wallace- a true statistical analysis

Ben missed him several times at the end of the season presumably due to the ankle, and it was getting to the point where Wallace would slow down half way through the route with the ball in the air. That's called "giving up" by most fans, and I honestly wouldn't argue it, but I wouldn't agree with it either. Wallace certainly isn't the best receiver in football. Not even in the same breath as Fitz, in my opinion, and I wouldn't pay him close to what Fitz makes.

However, he's probably only going to improve. I honestly think Brown's the better all-around receiver, but there's no doubting Wallace is the weapon.
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Old 03-17-2012, 01:15 AM   #16
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wow.

so far on steelersfever, steelerfans have taught me that DESPITE mike wallace

being a 1 trick pony...
disappearing for half of last season...
not knowing the playbook...
not being able to jump...
not being able to fight for balls...
not being able to run intermediate routes...
not being able to run short routes...
not being as good as antonio brown...
not having his qb for 6 games...
not knowing what to do in the no huddle...
not even being the #1 wr option til his 3rd year...
not being worth a measley $6 million dollars/year
not being a 1st round pick...
not being a 6th round steal...
not having great hands...
(did i leave anything out?)

still has amassed the best 1st 3 season start to ones career of any wr in the past 30 years not named moss or rice?

damn. you guys are right.... he really is marginal! i bet he would be pretty good if he could do all those things!

....steelerfans.
No need to be cheeky-- I can beat anyone at that game if need be.

Stats are just numbers and should not account for 100% of your decision making.

Remember, Phillip Rivers was leading the #1 offense and the Chargers had the #1 defense last year, and how did that pan out on the field? Remember, we had the #1 pass defense this last year, by a margin, and we could not stop a rookie WR and Tim Teblow from torching our secondary three times on the same exact play.

Stats are NOT the end all of any sports discussion.

Of course Mike Wallace is going to have some of the bext yard per catch of any receiver-- he only knows how to run one route-- the 45 yard bomber. And chances are, if Ben bothers to throw it to him on the 45-yarder, it is going to be a completion and TD, otherwise ben would not have thrown it in the first place.

Stats can be misleading.....his 1000 yards all came during the first half of the season, before many teams were playing their A game and November football. he sems to disappear when the opposition steps up even the slightest or once teams start to amass some video of him.

But so far, in close playoff games when we only needed him to make a medium length catch, he ran the wrong route and landed us a game-losing interception instead.....TWICE.

Thus far, Antonio Brown is ten times the receiver that Walace is, IMHO. Much more complete player-- better attitude, better work ethic, better all-around athlete (he scored a TD on his very first touch in the NFL, mind you), better all-around receiver, and almost as fast as Wallace. Per other team members, Brown is in the film room compulsively and stays for hours after everyone else leaves to study film more. Wallace is more concerned with catchy nikcnames like "Young Money", a title I don't think he has earned yet. He has not had a game-changing catch in any playoff game we have been to yet.

Let the Patriots shed a first round pick for him-- we need an offensive line and defensive secondary more than we need killer receivers. We won a SB with the likes of Cedric Wilson and Nate Washignton at WR..... If we can protect Ben, this team is going places.

In two seasons having your unstoppable Mike Wallace at WR, we dumped a SB because he ran the wrong route and got bounced from the playoffs by arguably the worst team in the postseason. Clearly, he is not as vital to our offensive identity and gameplan as one would think. We have done miles better with the "old and done" Ward....

Not saying that Wallace "stinks" or is not a great WR in the making, but he is NOT worth breaking the bank for. If it comes down to it, we need to break the bank on a new NT more than we need a WR.
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Wallace is a weapon, and probably the most dangerous weapon in our receiving core, but that doesn't mean he's the best all-around receiver. I happen to think Brown's the better overall receiver, but that opinion can be biased because of Wallace's double coverage on a multitude of plays. The funny thing is though, defenses didn't double-cover Wallace a lot during the end of the season due to Ben's inability to hit the deep throw. Brown, of course, was still making big catches. Hell, even Sanders made some damn good catches.

Also, i'm not even bringing up statistics. I honestly think the only thing that's relevant is how you perform in football played from November-January, and of course, February. I'd like to keep those stats next time the opportunity presents itself. That's what really matters. If you want to bring stats into this, take a look at Brown's. He wasn't behind by much, was he? I wouldn't break the bank for any receiver, and that includes Brown. Not worth it, we need a line to keep Ben upright or he'll have no time to get the ball to one in the first place.
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1. Wallace
2. Brown
3. Sanders (Until he's injured, lol)

The young guns are starters, and Wallace will play his best ball heading into free-agency, where he'll likely be on the first flight out of the burgh.
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"stats dont matter" is just a generic catchphrase most people like to toss out there when they have absolutely no argument against good empirical stats and data.

what the hell do they think larry fitz, a. johnson and megatron get paid for? lombardi trophies and team wins?

if hines ward had much better stats and 4 more pro bowls he woulda been a top 5 paid wr in the league and probably not a steeler.

it is what it is. catchphrase cant erase that reality.
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This is like throwing a rubber ball at a wall, it'll come back at you, and hit you in the nuts if your not careful. My point is:

If Wallace left the team, i'd cringe at the thought of our dangerous speed receiver no longer burning the defense.
If Brown left the team, i'd cringe at the thought of our team MVP and consistent weapon helping other teams win.

The second half of last year wasn't a good one for Wallace, and Brown was consistent all year. It doesn't really mean anything, because receivers usually play more than just one year in their careers, but i'm not sure it boost's Wallace's value as a receiver in free-ageny, especially considering he did better in total yardage the year before

Or at least it shouldn't. And if stats matter, that certainly does, no?

Brown proved last year that he's a weapon, but Wallace has been doing this for two years now (making #1 receiver plays and yardage). Next year will be the true test, and i'm hoping he stays healthy. I think a lombardi would be enough to convince all of our talent to come back for a few years.

I'm going to bed. Agree to disagree. I'm not the only one who doesn't think losing Wallace would be the end of the world, and i'm not the only one who's frustrated with the pay these guy's are making. But one thing we can both agree on is that Wallace is our #1 guy, even if (last year) Brown proved as the better all around receiver. I think he just wanted it more

Of course anyone could dispute that claim as well, especially if they really like Wallace. I'm out, off to bed.

Edit: Brown proving as the better all-around target last year is my opinion, and my opinion is the reason i'm posting here. Pretty sure a lot of people share this opinion as well. But that's just the thing. I think Brown proved to be the better all-around receiver last year. Next year? Maybe not.
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