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Old 04-19-2012, 11:09 AM   #41
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Default Re: Is Ben best QB drafted in last 10 years?

I am not sure about that. A mountain of stats would have to determine that out either way. I would say that Rogers is more graceful and fluid, and maybe "moblie" but does not keep plays alive as well.

Rogers makes things too easy, that is for sure.

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Rogers' mobility actually is better than Ben. And by the time Suggs tries to break his nose, Rogers has likely thrown the ball already.
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Old 04-19-2012, 12:05 PM   #42
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Watching Ben is like watching an edge of your seat action movie. My heart can't handle it too much, but I love it.

Watching Rogers is like watching an opera. Sit back and enjoy the beauty, and perfection that you know is coming.

Watching Eli is like watching a magic show. Ur not sure what's coming, or exactly how they do it but u leave feeling curious and satisfied.

Watching Sanchez is like watching a dog drag his ass against the carpet. Down right hilarious....
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Old 04-19-2012, 08:23 PM   #43
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Watching Ben is like watching an edge of your seat action movie. My heart can't handle it too much, but I love it.

Watching Rogers is like watching an opera. Sit back and enjoy the beauty, and perfection that you know is coming.

Watching Eli is like watching a magic show. Ur not sure what's coming, or exactly how they do it but u leave feeling curious and satisfied.

Watching Sanchez is like watching a dog drag his ass against the carpet. Down right hilarious....
This is quite possibly the best explantion of said QB's I've ever heard.

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Old 04-19-2012, 09:25 PM   #44
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I would still take Ben's intangibles over Aaron Rodgers' Phillip Rivers-esque stats. Rodgers and Ben have both been surrounded by good to great teams, and so far, Ben has delivered twice, almost three times, Rodgers has only managed to get to the big dance once.

No other QB in the NFL has yet to demonstrate the ability to succeed behind such a patchwork and sub-par offensive line. We can't really assess Ben against any of the other guys on that list realistically because his first read always has to be over his left shoulder to see who he is about to be squashed by. None of the other QBs on that list would survive half a season behind Chris Kemoeatu and #72. Heck Byron Leftwich, Dennis the Interception Dixon, and Charlie Batch have not surivived 4 consecutive games behind our Oline since pre-2006.

When you don't even have enough time to hand the ball off on simple dive plays before being sacked, you cannot really judge the QB's inconsistent performance and put it all on him. A QB's best friend is his blocking unit. A QB with lots of time and no pressure can find open guys, even if they aren't Randy Moss. A QB with no protection is likely to put on what appears to be, an inconsistent and unreliable performance.

Ben got us to SB XL with the likes of Nate Washington and Cedric Wilson as his top receivers. Aaron Rodgers has enjoyed a top protection unit (not surprisingly, like most QBs that are considered elite), some of the best receivers, the best tight ends, and some of the best pass defense units and all he has managed to produce is one superbowl and some gaudy stats.

Based on that, Ben should be #1A, and Rodgers #1B.
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Old 04-20-2012, 07:36 AM   #45
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Sorry for the late response and I love Ben, but I'm going to keep it simple.....No.
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Old 04-20-2012, 10:12 AM   #46
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I don't think Ben will ever be the best playoff qb thanks to his super bowl 40 performance.
I am sick and tired of hearing about SB40.

Once again:
  • 11-5 for the season (averaging 24 ppg)
  • Wiped the floor with Cincy
  • Dominated Peyton and the Colts (which was clouded by the bad call on Troy's pick and Bettis' fumble)
  • Put on a clinic in Denver

I think the reason why Ben was shaky in the SB was because Cowher (Mr. Cautious, Mr. Martyball, Mr. "protect the lead") had two-weeks to get into Ben's head about "playing not to lose" and it almost cost us the title.

As you may recall Ben's comments to Cowher during that game: "Coach, let's play to win; let's not play not to lose, OK?"

When a second-year QB (did you know that that was only his second year?) says that to his coach during a SB, there's something wrong.

Look at it another way:
The "Big Three" QB's drafted in '04 were Ben, Manning and Rivers. (J.P. Losmann was actually the fourth but who cares?). Ben was the first to earn two titles and play in three title games. Manning and Ben are now equal in terms of rings, but can Manning do what Ben does?

I don't think so.

Overall, I think Ben is one helluva find.
He'll never be great as far as statistics go, but neither was Bradshaw (and he worked out pretty well as I recall).
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Old 04-26-2012, 09:27 PM   #47
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Rodgers has been sacked the most in the NFL for the last several years. He is responsible for his own success.Rodgers threw 45 touchdowns and 6 interceptions last year. That ends the conversation. No other quarterback on that list will approach those numbers. Anyone who disagrees should be doubted on any other opinion they have on football matters because they are completely biased and aren't living in reality.
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Old 04-26-2012, 10:13 PM   #48
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I think Ben and Eli are basically tied. Ben a little better in regular season, Eli a little better in playoffs. Both are probably headed to Canton


Rodgers only has played 4 years but he's off to a good start.

Rivers is good just not elite.

Cam Newton going to be a stud
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Old 04-26-2012, 10:41 PM   #49
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Bens a warrior....Ely takes hits too...
Rodgers is soft.....And does not make things happen if the system isnt workin.....
Thats why I would take Ben.......Ely....Then Rodgers......
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Very few QBs could have have kept their team competitive with the awful O-line and simplistic offensive schemes that we've had here at Pitt in recent years. Ben makes things happen out of nothing; he's a born whatever-it-takes winner. He has that rare quality that cannot be taught.

Having said that, his development has stagnated, and he's not fulfilling his potential. Much of that can be attributed to a weak Offensive Coordinator. Firing Arians will be the best thing that has ever happened for Ben's career.

Ben is a great QB, but he can be better. Lets see what happens when he's challenged to grow. I think he could still separate himself from this group.
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