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Hawaii 5-0 · 05-13-2012, 09:42 PM

Courtney Upshaw: You can’t replace Terrell Suggs

Posted by Michael David Smith on May 13, 2012

When the Ravens lost linebacker Terrell Suggs to an Achilles tendon injury, they were considering themselves lucky that they drafted Alabama linebacker Courtney Upshaw the day before Suggs got hurt.

But that doesn’t mean Upshaw sees himself as Suggs’ replacement. Upshaw doesn’t think anyone can replace Suggs.

“The coaches told me to come out here this mini-camp and learn the defense, come out here and compete,” Upshaw told Ian Rapoport of NFL.com. “Honestly, speaking on Suggs, there’s only one Suggs. You can’t replace Suggs. Everybody’s got to come in as a team. The veteran leadership on this team is not going to allow slacking on my part or anybody else’s. Everybody’s gotta step up.”

Upshaw is right, of course, that no one can replace everything Suggs does in the Ravens’ defense. Suggs wasn’t named Defensive Player of the Year last season because he’s expendable.

But the Ravens, who are optimistic that Suggs will play at some point during the 2012 season, got a rookie who has many of the same skills that Suggs brings to the table when they drafted Upshaw.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...terrell-suggs/

Hawaii 5-0 · 05-16-2012, 08:26 PM

Terrell Suggs, Peters to lose pay?

Updated: May 16, 2012
By Chris Mortensen | ESPN

Philadelphia Eagles tackle Jason Peters and Baltimore Ravens linebacker Terrell Suggs, two All-Pro players who have suffered offseason Achilles injuries that have put part or all of their 2012 seasons in jeopardy, may lose millions of dollars in salary because both fall under the nonfootball-injury provision of the collective bargaining agreement.

The applicable wording in the CBA, Article 20, Section 3 provision states: "A player who is placed on a Nonfootball injury or Illness list ("N-F/I") is not entitled to any compensation under his contract while on such list ..."

Both players have claimed they were injured during off-site training sessions, but league and union sources agree that any injury sustained that does not occur at the team's facility or under its direction is considered a "Nonfootball injury."

The Eagles and Ravens may act in accordance with their own wishes and pay the players all or a portion of their salaries. League sources say both Peters and Suggs are facing a financial reduction in 2012.

Suggs underwent surgery May 7 to repair a partially torn Achilles, which he claimed he suffered while training in Arizona. Suggs said he expects to return sometime during the coming season.

Suggs' case appears slightly more complicated because he has a partially torn Achilles and has said he believes he will return by October or shortly thereafter. If he were placed on the PUP list when the season begins, he would be required to miss at least the first six games. It is conceivable the Ravens could not pay him those six game checks from his $4.9 million base salary.

Technically, as the CBA states, the teams are not obligated to pay any salary due Peters and Suggs, but sources say both are such vital players and in otherwise good standing with their respective organizations that it appears unlikely the teams would take such drastic action. The Eagles and Ravens also want Peters and Suggs motivated to rehab diligently from their injuries.

Both players have significant offseason workout bonuses and escalator clauses at risk. Peters has a $100,000 workout bonus and a $250,000 roster bonus. Suggs has a $250,000 escalator clause for the 2013 season. However, league sources say Suggs is contemplating a restructuring or extension of his contract when he is healthy that would reflect his status among the league's players after he was voted The Associated Press' NFL Defensive Player of the Year in 2011.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/79...rfeit-millions

***Galax Steeler*** · 05-17-2012, 04:31 AM

I know players have to have fun but to loose millions of dollars it is not worth it.

steelax04 · 05-17-2012, 08:05 AM

I would highly doubt that the Ravens don't give him some sort of compensation... As fans, we may "hate" them, but they're not a shitty organization like that. He's been such an integral part of that team, I just can't see it happening.

Hawaii 5-0 · 05-24-2012, 11:09 PM

Paul Kruger gets first crack at replacing Suggs

Posted by Evan Silva on May 24, 2012

In the Ravens’ 2011 defense, Terrell Suggs played roughly half of his snaps at outside linebacker, and the other half at defensive end. Suggs tore his Achilles’ tendon earlier this month, and the Ravens are now trying to replace those snaps.

While much of the early speculation centered on rookie linebacker Courtney Upshaw, Aaron Wilson of the Carroll County Times reports that former second-round pick Paul Kruger is getting the first crack at Suggs’ rush linebacker position.

“It’s early to say what will happen,” conceded Kruger, “but this is what we’re doing now. I’m told where I’m going to line up and I do it.”

Kruger recorded a career-high 5.5 sacks last season, and is more familiar with coordinator Dean Pees’ defense than Upshaw. Upshaw is practicing at strong-side linebacker — Jarret Johnson’s old position. Johnson is now a San Diego Charger.

Kruger certainly won’t lack motivation to excel in what Suggs patented as a highly productive and active position in Pees’ system. It’s the last year of Kruger’s rookie contract, and he could strike it rich on the 2013 free agent market with a breakout season.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...placing-suggs/

BigRick · 05-25-2012, 09:28 PM

As bad as i dislike the Ratbirds I hate to see this happen to anyone. Makes it so much better when we beat them with their best players on the field.

***Atlanta Dan*** · 06-05-2012, 04:39 PM

Ruh-roh

Despite continuing to say he tore his right Achilles tendon during conditioning drills, Baltimore Ravens linebacker Terrell Suggs injured his right lower leg playing basketball on Sunday, April 29, according to staff members who attended a three-day basketball tournament in which Suggs played that weekend.

"He got hurt Sunday prior to the (basketball tournament) championship game," said Herman (Sonny) Hoffman, the director of the Akchin Gymnasium in Maricopa, Ariz., where the tournament was held....

When told Tuesday of the comments by staff members at the basketball tournament, Suggs told ESPN through his agent, Joel Segal: "Simply not true. I hurt myself doing my conditioning test."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/80...-witnesses-say

The fact that Suggs continues to maintain he was hurt in a "conditioning drill" indicates Suggs knows there could be big $$ at stake if he tore his achilles playinbg recreational hoops

***Bayz101*** · 06-05-2012, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlanta Dan

Ruh-roh

Despite continuing to say he tore his right Achilles tendon during conditioning drills, Baltimore Ravens linebacker Terrell Suggs injured his right lower leg playing basketball on Sunday, April 29, according to staff members who attended a three-day basketball tournament in which Suggs played that weekend.

"He got hurt Sunday prior to the (basketball tournament) championship game," said Herman (Sonny) Hoffman, the director of the Akchin Gymnasium in Maricopa, Ariz., where the tournament was held....

When told Tuesday of the comments by staff members at the basketball tournament, Suggs told ESPN through his agent, Joel Segal: "Simply not true. I hurt myself doing my conditioning test."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/80...-witnesses-say

The fact that Suggs continues to maintain he was hurt in a "conditioning drill" indicates Suggs knows there could be big $$ at stake if he tore his achilles playinbg recreational hoops

If he hurt himself outside of organized team activities, they don't have to pay him, correct?

He's going to maintain that he hurt himself doing something related to the team so that he keeps his salary. NFL will probably investigate.

***Atlanta Dan*** · 06-05-2012, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bayz101

If he hurt himself outside of organized team activities, they don't have to pay him, correct?

He's going to maintain that he hurt himself doing something related to the team so that he keeps his salary. NFL will probably investigate.

Even if he was hurt working out away from the facilities it would not be an OTA - but it is one thing to blow out your achilles while working on conditioning and another while in a recreational activity - teams are less forgiving about the latter

TRH · 06-05-2012, 11:19 PM

he's likely lying about the incident. Could be a lot of dollars affected. But how does the team prove otherwise?

05-13-2012, 09:42 PM	#61
Hawaii 5-0 Living Legend Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: The Aloha State Posts: 3,944 Gender: Male Member Number: 24013 Thanks: 445 Thanked 641 Times in 437 Posts	Re: Sucks for Suggs Courtney Upshaw: You can’t replace Terrell Suggs Posted by Michael David Smith on May 13, 2012 When the Ravens lost linebacker Terrell Suggs to an Achilles tendon injury, they were considering themselves lucky that they drafted Alabama linebacker Courtney Upshaw the day before Suggs got hurt. But that doesn’t mean Upshaw sees himself as Suggs’ replacement. Upshaw doesn’t think anyone can replace Suggs. “The coaches told me to come out here this mini-camp and learn the defense, come out here and compete,” Upshaw told Ian Rapoport of NFL.com. “Honestly, speaking on Suggs, there’s only one Suggs. You can’t replace Suggs. Everybody’s got to come in as a team. The veteran leadership on this team is not going to allow slacking on my part or anybody else’s. Everybody’s gotta step up.” Upshaw is right, of course, that no one can replace everything Suggs does in the Ravens’ defense. Suggs wasn’t named Defensive Player of the Year last season because he’s expendable. But the Ravens, who are optimistic that Suggs will play at some point during the 2012 season, got a rookie who has many of the same skills that Suggs brings to the table when they drafted Upshaw. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...terrell-suggs/ __________________

05-16-2012, 08:26 PM	#62
Hawaii 5-0 Living Legend Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: The Aloha State Posts: 3,944 Gender: Male Member Number: 24013 Thanks: 445 Thanked 641 Times in 437 Posts	Re: Sucks for Suggs Terrell Suggs, Peters to lose pay? Updated: May 16, 2012 By Chris Mortensen \| ESPN Philadelphia Eagles tackle Jason Peters and Baltimore Ravens linebacker Terrell Suggs, two All-Pro players who have suffered offseason Achilles injuries that have put part or all of their 2012 seasons in jeopardy, may lose millions of dollars in salary because both fall under the nonfootball-injury provision of the collective bargaining agreement. The applicable wording in the CBA, Article 20, Section 3 provision states: "A player who is placed on a Nonfootball injury or Illness list ("N-F/I") is not entitled to any compensation under his contract while on such list ..." Both players have claimed they were injured during off-site training sessions, but league and union sources agree that any injury sustained that does not occur at the team's facility or under its direction is considered a "Nonfootball injury." The Eagles and Ravens may act in accordance with their own wishes and pay the players all or a portion of their salaries. League sources say both Peters and Suggs are facing a financial reduction in 2012. Suggs underwent surgery May 7 to repair a partially torn Achilles, which he claimed he suffered while training in Arizona. Suggs said he expects to return sometime during the coming season. Suggs' case appears slightly more complicated because he has a partially torn Achilles and has said he believes he will return by October or shortly thereafter. If he were placed on the PUP list when the season begins, he would be required to miss at least the first six games. It is conceivable the Ravens could not pay him those six game checks from his $4.9 million base salary. Technically, as the CBA states, the teams are not obligated to pay any salary due Peters and Suggs, but sources say both are such vital players and in otherwise good standing with their respective organizations that it appears unlikely the teams would take such drastic action. The Eagles and Ravens also want Peters and Suggs motivated to rehab diligently from their injuries. Both players have significant offseason workout bonuses and escalator clauses at risk. Peters has a $100,000 workout bonus and a $250,000 roster bonus. Suggs has a $250,000 escalator clause for the 2013 season. However, league sources say Suggs is contemplating a restructuring or extension of his contract when he is healthy that would reflect his status among the league's players after he was voted The Associated Press' NFL Defensive Player of the Year in 2011. http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/79...rfeit-millions __________________

05-17-2012, 04:31 AM	#63
*Galax Steeler* The Virginia Hillbilly Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Galax Va Posts: 19,020 Gender: Male Member Number: 3287 Thanks: 50 Thanked 126 Times in 93 Posts	Re: Sucks for Suggs I know players have to have fun but to loose millions of dollars it is not worth it. __________________

05-17-2012, 08:05 AM	#64
steelax04 Assistant Coach HolmenKollen Ski Jump Champion! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 1,036 Gender: Male Member Number: 12182 Thanks: 43 Thanked 38 Times in 29 Posts	Re: Sucks for Suggs I would highly doubt that the Ravens don't give him some sort of compensation... As fans, we may "hate" them, but they're not a shitty organization like that. He's been such an integral part of that team, I just can't see it happening.

05-24-2012, 11:09 PM	#65
Hawaii 5-0 Living Legend Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: The Aloha State Posts: 3,944 Gender: Male Member Number: 24013 Thanks: 445 Thanked 641 Times in 437 Posts	Re: Sucks for Suggs Paul Kruger gets first crack at replacing Suggs Posted by Evan Silva on May 24, 2012 In the Ravens’ 2011 defense, Terrell Suggs played roughly half of his snaps at outside linebacker, and the other half at defensive end. Suggs tore his Achilles’ tendon earlier this month, and the Ravens are now trying to replace those snaps. While much of the early speculation centered on rookie linebacker Courtney Upshaw, Aaron Wilson of the Carroll County Times reports that former second-round pick Paul Kruger is getting the first crack at Suggs’ rush linebacker position. “It’s early to say what will happen,” conceded Kruger, “but this is what we’re doing now. I’m told where I’m going to line up and I do it.” Kruger recorded a career-high 5.5 sacks last season, and is more familiar with coordinator Dean Pees’ defense than Upshaw. Upshaw is practicing at strong-side linebacker — Jarret Johnson’s old position. Johnson is now a San Diego Charger. Kruger certainly won’t lack motivation to excel in what Suggs patented as a highly productive and active position in Pees’ system. It’s the last year of Kruger’s rookie contract, and he could strike it rich on the 2013 free agent market with a breakout season. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...placing-suggs/ __________________

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05-25-2012, 09:28 PM	#66
BigRick Bench Warmer Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 321 Gender: Male Member Number: 16392 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Sucks for Suggs As bad as i dislike the Ratbirds I hate to see this happen to anyone. Makes it so much better when we beat them with their best players on the field.

06-05-2012, 04:39 PM	#67
*Atlanta Dan* Resigned Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 9,918 Member Number: 728 Thanks: 74 Thanked 202 Times in 130 Posts	Re: Sucks for Suggs Ruh-roh Despite continuing to say he tore his right Achilles tendon during conditioning drills, Baltimore Ravens linebacker Terrell Suggs injured his right lower leg playing basketball on Sunday, April 29, according to staff members who attended a three-day basketball tournament in which Suggs played that weekend. "He got hurt Sunday prior to the (basketball tournament) championship game," said Herman (Sonny) Hoffman, the director of the Akchin Gymnasium in Maricopa, Ariz., where the tournament was held.... When told Tuesday of the comments by staff members at the basketball tournament, Suggs told ESPN through his agent, Joel Segal: "Simply not true. I hurt myself doing my conditioning test." http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/80...-witnesses-say The fact that Suggs continues to maintain he was hurt in a "conditioning drill" indicates Suggs knows there could be big $$ at stake if he tore his achilles playinbg recreational hoops

06-05-2012, 11:19 PM	#70
TRH Living Legend Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: eastern PA Posts: 4,140 Gender: Male Member Number: 17206 Thanks: 80 Thanked 141 Times in 101 Posts	Re: Sucks for Suggs he's likely lying about the incident. Could be a lot of dollars affected. But how does the team prove otherwise?

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