Shooting at Batman movie

[Killer]

" I also believe that a lot of gun owners would agree that AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not in the hands of criminals — that they belong on the battlefields of war and not on the streets of our cities.”


Obama don' care - his gang won't be affected by any new laws

[Vis]

Originally Posted by Killer

" I also believe that a lot of gun owners would agree that AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not in the hands of criminals — that they belong on the battlefields of war and not on the streets of our cities.”


Obama don' care - his gang won't be affected by any new laws

Make yet another bash Obama thread for this crap. Don't tie it in to these murders in this thread.

[MACH1]

Yeah, the only way to fix it is to throw more legislation, regulation at it. Not gonna work.

[Vis]

Originally Posted by MACH1

Yeah, the only way to fix it is to throw more legislation, regulation at it. Not gonna work.

That's a valid discussion. Some think it can help but nothing will ever stop it. If we want a free society we can't weed out crazy people. I wonder at those who suggest he should have been taken off the streets before this happened. How? Should everyone have weekly mental health evaluations? It's impossible.

No, freedom or safety is always a balancing act and needs to be discussed soberly the way nothing is right now between the parties.

[MACH1]

Originally Posted by Vis

That's a valid discussion. Some think it can help but nothing will ever stop it. If we want a free society we can't weed out crazy people. I wonder at those who suggest he should have been taken off the streets before this happened. How? Should everyone have weekly mental health evaluations? It's impossible.

No, freedom or safety is always a balancing act and needs to be discussed soberly the way nothing is right now between the parties.

We can't let whack jobs be the reason they take away freedoms either. Banning guns is not going to solve anything. How many thousands of people were killed in Nigeria where guns are banned. They were all hacked to death by machetes.

The only people that rules and regs affect are the people that actually follow the law.

We should be more like Switzerland in that regards. Certainly don't hear about any gun battles going on there.

[Vis]

Originally Posted by MACH1

We can't let whack jobs be the reason they take away freedoms either. Banning guns is not going to solve anything. How many thousands of people were killed in Nigeria where guns are banned. They were all hacked to death by machetes.

The only people that rules and regs affect are the people that actually follow the law.

We should be more like Switzerland in that regards. Certainly don't hear about any gun battles going on there.

Who said ban guns? Some types are banned now. Where is that line? That's the discussion. Imagine if he had had a couple of fully automatic uzis. Would you make them legal?

[MACH1]

Originally Posted by Vis

Who said ban guns? Some types are banned now. Where is that line? That's the discussion. Imagine if he had had a couple of fully automatic uzis. Would you make them legal?

It's what it's going to lead too. It's that slippery slope thing.

In a state where it is legal: $200 for the tax stamp + background check + a whole lot of money for the gun = you owning an automatic weapon.

Class 3 firearms include machine guns, short-barreled rifles, short-barreled shotguns, suppressors, destructive devices and Any Other Weapons (AOWs).
The tax for privately manufacturing any class 3 firearms is $200. Transferring requires a $200 tax for all class 3s except AOW’s, for which the transfer tax is $5.
To legally possess a class 3 weapon you must complete a transfer of registration within the NFA registry.
There are two ways for you to legally buy a class 3 gun. The first is by transfer after approval by ATF of a registered weapon from its lawful owner residing in the same State as the transferee. The second is by obtaining prior approval from ATF to make NFA firearms.


Read more: http://www.gunsandammo.com/2011/10/1...#ixzz21kAaetEu

[Vis]

It's a slippery slope both ways. Will repealing a restriction currently on the books leade to the legalization of private artillery ownership. Can I have a gun turret with a Mark 7 on the corner of my roof?

[Vincent]

Originally Posted by MACH1

Yeah, the only way to fix it is to throw more legislation, regulation at it. Not gonna work.

What about "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." is ambiguous? "Infringe" means "to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another. In other words, any and every law that restricts full access to weapons of any kind is unconstitutional. Registration, limitations, restrictions of any kind are verboten under this, our most important amendment. It protects the rest of the amendments.

Originally Posted by Vis

Make yet another bash Obama thread for this crap. Don't tie it in to these murders in this thread.

I'm always very suspicious of these isolated crazy incidents because of who stands to gain from them.

[Vis]

Originally Posted by Vincent

What about "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." is ambiguous? "Infringe" means "to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another. In other words, any and every law that restricts full access to weapons of any kind is unconstitutional. Registration, limitations, restrictions of any kind are verboten under this, our most important amendment. It protects the rest of the amendments.



I'm always very suspicious of these isolated crazy incidents because of who stands to gain from them.

No one gains from this. Many people lost everything. But are you suggesting that the star chamber that masterminded the 9/11 fraud did this as well?


Hey, aren't you willing to attack Iran to stop them from getting nukes? On the otherhand you are in favor of any American citizen being allowed to have one under your interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, even Muslim American citizens. That is your position?