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Old 08-01-2012, 10:08 AM   #111
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Vatican didn't become a state until 1929.
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Vatican didn't become a state until 1929.

The Lateran Pacts didn't give the Vatican it's independence from Italy, they gave Italy it's independence from the Vatican.
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Wars are declared by countries, not religions or singular people.
Wars are declared by anybody that wants to declare them. In the case of our furry little friends, the war has been declared repeatedly by numerous of their "notables", most notably and recently the muslim brotherhood, they, the rulers of Egypt.

As a related aside, you may have noted that the occupant of the White House, after having traveled to Egypt to bow to the mullahs, allowed ours and Israel's only partner for peace in the Middle East to fall into the hands of those who had declared war on us. But I digress.

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The Pope controlled the whole church and the Vatican is a country. He could speak for the whole religion. No one speaks for Islam in that way. The Pope can't even wield that kind of power now.
The muslim brotherhood speaks for islam. Watch for it. It's coming to a neighborhood near you.
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Wars are declared by anybody that wants to declare them. In the case of our furry little friends, the war has been declared repeatedly by numerous of their "notables", most notably and recently the muslim brotherhood, they, the rulers of Egypt.

As a related aside, you may have noted that the occupant of the White House, after having traveled to Egypt to bow to the mullahs, allowed ours and Israel's only partner for peace in the Middle East to fall into the hands of those who had declared war on us. But I digress.



The muslim brotherhood speaks for islam. Watch for it. It's coming to a neighborhood near you.
Sorry, but you are still mistaken.

Formal wars (we're not talking about informal terms like, 'I declare a war of words with you') are not just declared by anybody who wants to declare them. They are declared by nations. People make threats, nations declare war.

But again, I'm still waiting to hear your plan on disarming all US Muslims, and how it would be effectively implemented.
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Sorry, but you are still mistaken.

Formal wars (we're not talking about informal terms like, 'I declare a war of words with you') are not just declared by anybody who wants to declare them. They are declared by nations. People make threats, nations declare war.

But again, I'm still waiting to hear your plan on disarming all US Muslims, and how it would be effectively implemented.

First he will force them to wear some sort of symbol on their shirts.
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Sorry, but you are still mistaken.

Formal wars (we're not talking about informal terms like, 'I declare a war of words with you') are not just declared by anybody who wants to declare them. They are declared by nations. People make threats, nations declare war.
Perhaps you missed the last century. And those that preceded it. If memory serves, we were involved in two declared wars, yet at war for nearly every minute of the 20th Century.

Depending on who you talk to, there are between 30-140 wars going on this afternoon, none of which were "formally" declared, and most involving muslims by their own declaration. Countless dead and maimed. Evidently nobody cares..

Was the recent "activity" in Libya a war? We didn't declare anything, yet we were militarily involved in a regime change that got a lot of folks killed and maimed. The team we supported felt that they had declared war. And again as a related aside, yet another nation was ceded by the acquiescence of the White House to the muslim brotherhood.

Is the unpleasantness in Syria a war? Have those at odds with Assad's regime declared war? How many have been killed or maimed in that misunderstanding? Why did Russia send their navy to Tartus?

Japan declared war on us on December 8th 1941, AFTER they destroyed Pearl Harbor.

Civilized nations formally declare war, much like the redcoats marched politely into our ambushes, and the BEF marched dutifully into German machine guns.

WTF does a declaration of war have to do with anything other than to allow politicians to stick their faces into situations they mismanaged?

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I didn't advance a plan to disarm muslims. What I said was...

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As long as we are at war with islam, its foolish to allow your enemy to bear arms. We're not without precedent.

Fort Hood wouldn't have happened if we had the clarity and leadership to remove muslims from the armed forces and disarm muslim citizens. They are our enemies by their own declarations and actions.
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Just Kidding! Couldn't help it.
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Perhaps you missed the last century. And those that preceded it. If memory serves, we were involved in two declared wars, yet at war for nearly every minute of the 20th Century.

Depending on who you talk to, there are between 30-140 wars going on this afternoon, none of which were "formally" declared, and most involving muslims by their own declaration. Countless dead and maimed. Evidently nobody cares..

Was the recent "activity" in Libya a war? We didn't declare anything, yet we were militarily involved in a regime change that got a lot of folks killed and maimed. The team we supported felt that they had declared war. And again as a related aside, yet another nation was ceded by the acquiescence of the White House to the muslim brotherhood.

Is the unpleasantness in Syria a war? Have those at odds with Assad's regime declared war? How many have been killed or maimed in that misunderstanding? Why did Russia send their navy to Tartus?

Japan declared war on us on December 8th 1941, AFTER they destroyed Pearl Harbor.

Civilized nations formally declare war, much like the redcoats marched politely into our ambushes, and the BEF marched dutifully into German machine guns.

WTF does a declaration of war have to do with anything other than to allow politicians to stick their faces into situations they mismanaged?



I didn't advance a plan to disarm muslims. What I said was...


I'm sorry, but WTF are you even going on about now?

So all these wars you just posted about...were they just entered into willy nilly by anyone?

A declaration of war is, by definition, a formal announcement by a sovereign or state of the beginning of hostilities against another.

Most of what you stated as war are not actual wars, but operations and the like.

And using one example to state why muslims shouldn't be allowed to bear arms is not good for your argument either, because then someone who is anti-gun can turn around and say that the Aurora shooting would not have happened if all guns were made illegal. See the holes in your logic here? Probably not.

You may not have stated that you have a plan to disarm all muslims, but if that's what you want (and by your own words, I don't think assuming that is a stretch), you have to have some kind of plan in your mind for how it would be done. So how would the government even effectively go about doing that without turning into Nazi Germany or Stalin's Russia?
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I suppose who is teaching and who is annoyed by that teaching in this thread depends on your point of view
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